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so then it is there instead of the random vote stage, and shouldnt be taken as serious?..this question goes to mathcam as wellJDodge wrote:
Because random voting is justcuriouskarmadog wrote:
who proposes a strategy to vote for someone on the fisrt page of voting just based on roles?JDodge wrote:
Are you thinking? At all?curiouskarmadog wrote:vote mathcam"for proposing a strategy for deciding who to vote for"
quite scummysomuch more useful. It makes sense that until we have info, we go after people who arepotentially the biggest threat to the town.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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to pick a lynch based on a role that could be too powerful if in the hands of scum no matter the alignment versus scum hunting the normal way to find scum?
do I really need to answer this question?
what is your plan tomorrow? Lynch the second most powerful role?
I dont mind the idea if we are generating conversation (like a random voting stage), but to lynch Day 1 based on this is crap.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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LOL does it now? telling the scum what you are going to do before you do it is not the scum thing to do? nice SPIN. Answer me this DAS, why do you want to give scum information before tonight? Why do you want us to give the scum information before tonight?davidangelsummers wrote:
I was just saying what I would do, thier was no actual directing..curiouskarmadog wrote:wow, have we moved to the directing each other stage?
and yes, SK is a scum group of it's own..that equals 2 scum groups
I gave my reason why and I needed to make sure I was on the same page as everyone so I asked a question. I dont want to screw up a complex game and go protect the worng person. Going it alone sounds like more of a scum thing to do CKD
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Has the town unanimously agreed to this course of action? Is there any “direction” or plan for the town that the mafia can know about that wont hurt the town if they have said knowledge? I don’t think I am overreacting, but maybe the vote is premature.
Unvote, FoS DAS
I don’t like being directed to do anything and I don’t like providing information to the scum before I make a decision. Now, I will be the first in line to tell you what I did “last night” but don’t expect me to tell scum what I will do before I do it.
Currently I don’t have a problem with discussing roles and what is or isn’t a good idea, but I don’t think I want to sign up for being directed. Exception to this, is if the town collectively agrees that a certain action or inaction is best all around, but I haven’t seen this yet.
What do you have in mind?Thestatusquo wrote:
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I assume that the problem is the fact that this was the main part of his response to your points you posted about him. He again doesn’t address your points and says this.Thestatusquo wrote:Can the rest of the town please comment on whats going on between zoneace and myself right now.
I don’t think you were policy lynching ZA because before your vote returned to him it was on me for essentially a misunderstanding between cam and myself.ZONEACE wrote:
I do admit I've been ignoring TSQ. I'm not going to answer his questions about my observcations today because well, it's day one of a day start game where we know EVERYONE'S power, I'd rather not blow my load yet. I think we need a night of activities before we can make a legitimate attempt at locating our resident scums.
I await further attempts by TSQ to justify his policy lynch.
It strikes me odd that ZA is moving toward a No Lynch. In every other game I have ever been in with him, he votes for silly reasons and quite frankly appears to lynching just for lynching. Most of these games are ongoing, but if you meta him and read the games I am sure it will be quite apparent what I am talking about.
The vote for a no lynch seems like ZA is trying to look town.
FoS Zoneace.
Now to Gorgon’s vote.
well maybe you need to actually read what happened instead of "skimming" before you vote. I admit that I misunderstood what he meant, thus the unvote, which you have also quoted.Gorgon wrote:
I also went back and skimmed over the game, and I must say I really don't like ckd's vote and subsequent unvote on mathcam.
curiouskarmadog wrote:vote mathcam"for proposing a strategy for deciding who to vote for"
quite scummycuriouskarmadog wrote: who proposes a strategy to vote for someone on the fisrt page of voting just based on roles?curiouskarmadog wrote:to pick a lynch based on a role that could be too powerful if in the hands of scum no matter the alignment versus scum hunting the normal way to find scum?
I note that he says twice that he's objecting to mathcam suggesting peoplecuriouskarmadog wrote:to pick a lynch based on a role that could be too powerful if in the hands of scum no matter the alignment versus scum hunting the normal way to find scum?
do I really need to answer this question?
what is your plan tomorrow? Lynch the second most powerful role?
I dont mind the idea if we are generating conversation (like a random voting stage), but to lynch Day 1 based on this is crap.votebased on the roles, but then ups it to actually lynching, which is neither what matcham was suggesting, nor how ckd originally interpreted it.
You are taking this out of context. Why? It is obvious that I misunderstood what cam was saying. The first sentence is explaining why I voted, then next sentence is explaining why I unvoted. What are you not understanding here?Gorgon wrote:
Then he again acknowledges that matchcam's suggestion was just a conversation starter/voting device ... so which was it? Did ckd think that mathcam was proposing we lynch based on roles, or that he was merely generating conversation/semi-random votes?curiouskarmadog wrote:well, i dont typically vote for someone unless I think they are scummy, thus would be ok for a lynch....but it sounds like you are only really proposing a conversation starter..
unvote.
Jdodge...now did you mean voting (like mathcam) or lynching?
So you are voting me because I am indecisive? You are voting me because when someone shows that my thought processes might be incorrect (or I am misunderstanding something) I unvote instead of being prideful and keeping my vote. So are you saying I would be less scummy in your eyes, if I kept my votes on even though I no longer agree with them, please explain.Gorgon wrote:
Couple this with ckd's vote then downgrade to a FOS on das, and I find ckd to be suspiciously wavering in his accusations. This warrants a vote.
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Now who is being...Gorgon wrote: I'm feeling a ZA wagon pretty strongly right now, truth to tell.
Unvote, Vote: ZONEACE
now????Gorgon wrote:
suspiciously wavering in his accusations
By your standards that deserves a vote. Now that Thestatusquo has moved his vote back to ZA, I am no longer the bandwagon that is in the limelight. Was the CKD bandwagon not good enough for you, "truth to tell"? Why do you keep following Thestatusquo vote? or is it the bandwagon of the hour?
What happened to this question?
You didnt seem to think that a vote on ZA was warrented here, what changed in the past 2 posts?Gorgon wrote:
As per what I said above, I believe that day 1 discussion is useful, even in this game, seeing that everyone's alive and all. What exactly, in your opinion, is the potential harm in this?ZONEACE wrote:I do admit I've been ignoring TSQ. I'm not going to answer his questions about my observcations today because well, it's day one of a day start game where we know EVERYONE'S power, I'd rather not blow my load yet. I think we need a night of activities before we can make a legitimate attempt at locating our resident scums.
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please explain to me how wavering means mixing up words.
you provided two examples of me voting then unvoting and said I was wavering..
why are you backtracking now?
I FoSed ZA because I think he is being slightly scummy and if there was a choice between a no lynch and voting ZA he will get my vote. Currently the shea ZA discussion is still being discussed...however, your actions are scummy and the fact that you are backtracking is even more apparent.
so my FoS on Za was enough for you to vote him? ZA voted for a no lynch way before you voted me...so this makesNO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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Technically I have "changed my mind" more than Gorgon, DaS, thoughts?davidangelsummers wrote:
gordon, my otherFOSgoes on you. I think you have changed your mind too quickly to many times. You have had strong feelings about votes and other people’s reasons for reducing their vote and then you change your mind. Im not sure how helpful your roll is to town when compared to Zone. Please enlighten me...NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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Gorgon agrees with ZA, but keeps vote on him.
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Gorgon is passive aggressively telling me who I should target and who I shouldnt target. Dont worry, most likely I will not use my "power" to protect..as you say we have doctor for that...I am going to target who i think is scum...if you have a problem with that...maybe you need to "answer for that"...NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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it is statements like this that other me. "Regardless of alignment." How do you know who is what? But then you might vote them if they act scummy? This seems like you know who is scum and who is not, but wont vote anyone until the act scummy.shaft.ed wrote:
I find your play to be pro-town while ZONACE's is anti-town, but I've already decided I'm giving a pass to the investigative roles regardless of alignment for D1 unless they do something that is incredibly scummy today.
I dont care who has what role, if someone is scummy, we lynch them, no one gets a pass.
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the difference here, is when someone claims cop in a normal game, you dont know for a fact that they are a cop or not. But usually a cop in a normal game is town. Here the roles are known and just the alignment is not. Unlike a normal game, just because someone IS an investigative role doesnt mean they should be looked over Day 1. Different game, different rules apply.
You attack him because he seems to being focusing on Oman and no one else. He answers with a "well I am not even going look at the investigative roles, unless they act incredibly scummy". Well, that A.) doesnt really fully address that (your) point, B.) makes it ok for him to ignore people today C.) Unlike our human bomb, I just dont buy it.
call it gut, but I am finding out lately that if I voted more with my intial gut, I would be playing a hell of a lot better.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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it was sarcasm or was it not apparent enough?shaft.ed wrote:
So you agree that we shouldn't lynch investigative roles D1, and vote for me because I don't think we should lynch investigative roles D1.curiouskarmadog wrote:well, then I guess I am lucky my vote isnt on an investigatvie role, now arent I?
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"CKD: Attacking anyone that suggests we not lynch useful power roles." Really is that what I am doing or am I against people making choices for me?
"Votes for me because I stated I will no lynch Zoneace today unless he does something incredibly scumm" Really thats what I did? Any reason to didnt quote my post that had my vote in it?
Who is misrepresenting who here?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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am I attacking them because they are suggesting we not lynch powerful roles, or because I dont think anyone should get a pass due to roles and dont like being told what to do with my vote or my "power"?..There is a difference here...I feel like you might be misrepresenting my motivations.shaft.ed wrote:
I think I cleary addressed this in my run down of your play.curiouskarmadog wrote:
going to address this or ignore it?curiouskarmadog wrote:"CKD: Attacking anyone that suggests we not lynch useful power roles." Really is that what I am doing or am I against people making choices for me?
shaft.ed wrote:Seems he doesn't like any "rule" like behavior that restricts play.
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definitely doesn't like absolutes.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I can defend myself just fine..that being said, what am I defending myself against?Oman wrote:
My Meta on CKD is he has a better defence whilst scum then town. Though I've never seen him be quite so angry/sarcastic in a game.TSQ wrote:curiouskarmadog again a bit of a missnomer. He just strikes me as town who is not particulary good at defending himself. Thats all. Call it a gut feeling.
is there a case I didnt see?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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for the record, I dont think that Shea is picking on ZA for OOG reasons, of course maybe a meta will tell me different but I dont have time for that..and even if he was, this doesnt give me a clue on the alignment of either.
I think shea (why do they call you that?) has some good points against ZA...mainly shea's third point in regard to ZA...
I am disappointed that DAS has quit, there was a lot of information (present and for future games) that could be found in shea's and ZA's tiff. BTW, if you cant deal with sarcasm in the world, I have a feeling you will be taking your ball and going home frequently in life. This entire site is chalked full of sarcasm and grudges...what makes a true mafia player is seeing through it and doing something with it. I would be a hypocrite if I said that shit on this site hasnt seriously pissed me off, but instead of walking away to a commitment, I just step back and take it for what it is...a game and continue on..
also shafted, I dont for a second believe the " I feel your pain" statement..why are you blaiming shea and ZA for your lack of posting "as it stands". You have the power to change it, add to it, start another line of conversation, or whatever, why dont you? Going to keep playing the victim?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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As much as I hate fence sitters, I am on the fence about ZA at the moment.
For meta reasons, posts like "That's the only insight i felt like sharing so far" doesnt seem scummy coming from ZA. I have recently seen ZA play scum and I feel (if ZA meant it the way it sounds) that his play is either just being an ass or anti-town (different than scum) or he is watching something (like a trap or such) and doesnt want to share. To me, this doesnt seem like something scum would say. Actually more, I dont think it is something ZAscum would say.
that being said, your 3rd (misrepresenting) point does seem scummy to me. Now I dont know if he is doing this as a way to attack you for OOG reasons, if he just was trying to defend himself by deflecting, or if he is just scum. I didnt like.
I dont think that ZA is the lynch today. I am pretty sure our scum (in this game) are quietly sitting back loving the fact you and ZA are going round and round, being agreeable with the masses, and trying to stir shit or push crap as quietly as possible..NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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What makes you so sure?CKD wrote: I am pretty sure our scum (in this game) are quietly sitting back
I don’t think that ZA is our scum. His bandwagon is picking up steam (slowly) and I am just not buying it. I don’t think shea is scum either at this point. I dont agree with a no lynch and don’t know why ZA is pushing it. I have only been in one game with ZA that I knew his alignment (scum) and I had that pegged from Day 1. This doesn’t have that feel to it. Of course, people change styles and this is a different set up, but I am not getting the scum vibe off ZA.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I think I might be reading this post incorrectly. The speed of the wagon has nothing to do with my gut on ZA and who I think it scummy. I wouldnt consider my judgement on ZA as a testimony and much as a personal insight. I have also given my thoughts about Shafted and Shea, why arent you asking me to tie my innocence to them? Mayeb I am not understanding you though, to the part I am not getting, are you asking if we are willing to our own alignment on the line in defense of ZA? Because that is simply ridiculous and quite odd if you are. Before I go into this anymore, I want to make sure that is indeed what you are asking....so far I have misread twice in this game..so before I jump to conclusions (again), I want to make you I understand what you are really asking here.Adele wrote:
If the slowness of the wagon is a factor, consider the holidays - lots of threads, including this one, have slowed over christmas. If it's just gut then... I personally don't see it, and con only trust it to the extent of other peoples' testimonies - are you guys sure enough to tie your innocence to ZAs, or would you prefer me (personally) to judge on less qualitative matters? This is a weird matter - I normally wouldn't consider accepting testimony, but this strength of consensus is unusual.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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also (seems like I keep saying this). I am not down for lynching someone because of their role (or lack thereof)...so lynching SHea because he is vanilla is a bad idea...we should base our lynch on who is scummy.
fonz, where did I say I was taking the role completely out? I just dont want actions BASED solely on one's role.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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if we are going to quote a post lets quote a post in its context.
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it is statements like this that bother me. "Regardless of alignment." How do you know who is what? But then you might vote them if they act scummy? This seems like you know who is scum and who is not, but wont vote anyone until the act scummy.shaft.ed wrote:
I find your play to be pro-town while ZONACE's is anti-town, but I've already decided I'm giving a pass to the investigative roles regardless of alignment for D1 unless they do something that is incredibly scummy today.
I dont care who has what role, if someone is scummy, we lynch them, no one gets a pass.
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I am against a no lynch. However, Gorgon what about Oman’s “no lynch” is a cop out?
Why is it a cop out when Oman suggests it, but it is not a cop out when you do? You don’t think that ZA and Oman who look scum (in comparison) are actually scum, but you just had your vote on ZA and you are leaning toward Oman.Gorgon wrote: So ... I'm leaning towards either Oman or no lynch right now. ZA is somewhat of a possibility, but I feel his role is a point in his favour. In general, there are too many people in this game, IMO, that look all too town. It's a tough call, and I'm not convinced that the two players who objectively look most like potential scum (Oman and ZA) are actually scum - not least because they only look scummy in comparison with all the others. However, if not them, I'm hard pressed to name anyone else. It must be said that I generally don't like the idea of a no lynch, though.
Unvotewhile I think about this some more.
Gorgon, in your view, why do Oman and ZA look scummy?
Call me “paranoid”, but at this point I would have NO PROBLEM with lynching Gorgon or shafted.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I need to catch up, but a quick review of this page, suggests that again, people are telling other people what to do tonight, interesting. Or suggesting that if they do anything they will be scummy.
...hey I have an idea, why dont we just discuss EXACTLY what we should do so that mafia knows what we are doing so it will be easier for them to plan and discuss their plan of attack tomorrow. Way to lay the groundwork for tomorrow's lynch shafted!
my vote is still solid on shafted
now going to read the last 2-3 pagesNO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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anyway we can have a deadline extension of 2-3 days?With the site like it has been for the past 3 days, I have a crap of time trying to get in read pages and post (I dont even want to talk about trying to quote something)..at any rate, would like to get my thoughts out there before the day ends.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I am here, I still support a shafted/Gorgon lynch, but it looks like Oman is the way the town will be going.
Not sure what you are referencing here. I assume you are talking about..shaft.ed wrote:
Finally, CKD I hope it's because you haven't been reading the thread due to connectivity but please know what you're talking about before you post.
Well please explain to me what you are doing here.curiouskarmadog wrote:I need to catch up, but a quick review of this page, suggests that again, people are telling other people what to do tonight, interesting. Or suggesting that if they do anything they will be scummy.
...hey I have an idea, why dont we just discuss EXACTLY what we should do so that mafia knows what we are doing so it will be easier for them to plan and discuss their plan of attack tomorrow. Way to lay the groundwork for tomorrow's lynch shafted!
shaft.ed wrote:Shea or Adele doing the kill is even stoopider because neither of them has any business targeting anyone. If they get caught by say a Watcher, what the hell are they going to say?
If JDodge and CKD use their power they are going to have a lot of explaining to do. However if CKD targets someone and they die he's got a lot of explaining to do since that should not be happening so he goes with the Shea/Adele group. Cicero's power is perfect cover for a NK because he doesn't really need any particular reason to target someone. The Fonz won't protect from Sylar so he doesn't have to use his power at all if mafia. Finally Gorgon goes with the Shea/Adele/CKD group as not having a targeting power so he's got a lot of explaining to do if caught. And he is free to kill every other night.
Also, I note again that you seem to be supporting your vote on Oman for what seems to be like role reasons versus, you think he is scum reasons.shaft.ed wrote: I still think Oman is the most scummy today and removing his power will also be better off for the town.
what do you care, if nobody posts before deadline the man you “want” to hang…hangs.shaft.ed wrote:Yeah...so that deadline's tommorow guys. Anybody home?
This just seems like someone who is trying to seem town.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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well, I targetted Gorgon last night...since Gorgon and I both go at the same time, I am curious if he was able to blink out or not..
I also assume "shot" means a mafia kill, am I right to assume this Mod?
After we have all claimed, I am interested to hear theories why there was no Sk kill last night. Again, I want to wait till everyone has claimed first.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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