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cicero Oratoreador
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I think our best bet in this game is for everyone to claim everything. It helps to ferret out the lies. If Fonz keeps things hidden we consistenly miss a piece of the puzzle. Our best bet is for people to claim in a mixed up order, each day, and preferably with who claims next chosen by the person who claimed last. Scum already know that a doctor will tend to protect a high value target.
I am confused by why the investigative roles remain alive, as well as the doctor. Maybe it is WIFOM to the next level but it seems odd that scum targetted the one shot suicide vigilante and not the doctor. This and Fonz's reticense to claim his protects puts him higher on my possible scum list.-
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The Fonz Jack of All Trades
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True, but how exactly could I be caught in a lie, if i were scum? I can't be tracked, because the tracker died night one. If a watcher claims to have seen me visiting a dead player, then who i claim to have visited doesn't matter. Either I'm scum, or the player claiming the result is. If no-one else has any information on what i did, then it can't help catch anyone in a lie when I reveal my protections, but it might help scum figure out my rationale for who I protect.cicero wrote:I think our best bet in this game is for everyone to claim everything. It helps to ferret out the lies.
Not really. Precisely because the doctor role is a desirable one for scum to remove from the game, it's also a likely one to be watched. Precisely because watchers are a desirable role for scum to remove from the game, they are likely to be doc-protected.I am confused by why the investigative roles remain alive, as well as the doctor. Maybe it is WIFOM to the next level but it seems odd that scum targetted the one shot suicide vigilante and not the doctor. This and Fonz's reticense to claim his protects puts him higher on my possible scum list.-
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I think I agree with TSQ and Fonz. I really don't know what information would be gleaned from him revealing his targets. If he's scum he's probably sending in viable candidates anyway. If he's town it just helps the scum to know what he's doing every night. Unless he gets caught by a watcher, which would be pretty unlikely at this point, I don't see a point in it.-
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I see your point, if he is scum, he is probably sending out choices anyway. I retract my request...I would however still like to see the Yvonne declare now.shaft.ed wrote:I think I agree with TSQ and Fonz. I really don't know what information would be gleaned from him revealing his targets. If he's scum he's probably sending in viable candidates anyway. If he's town it just helps the scum to know what he's doing every night. Unless he gets caught by a watcher, which would be pretty unlikely at this point, I don't see a point in it.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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shaft.ed wrote:I would like CKD to tell my why Adele was locked up last night.
How do you know she was locked up? Actually can you wait to answer until after (and then I) claim? I will neither confirm nor deny my actions last night..Yvonne please claim now!curiouskarmadog wrote: I think Yvonne should claim before anyone else...I have no problem claiming after, but I think cicero is right, it is good to mix it up.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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cicero Oratoreador
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Nobody, except Adele, but she must go before me today since something's happened which involves her.
Also, all the players have to tell the truth if they go before me because they don't know my result. If I go first, the scum can escape easily and there is essentially no use to my role.[i]The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.[/i]-
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Since Yvonne is refusing to go, I will go and explain.
I did target Adele.
Yesterday:
I used my ability on Gorgon (confirmed for sure)
DGB said he targeted Gorgon (no way to cofirm)
Cicero targeted Shafted (shafted confirmed it)
Shafted targeted Yvonne (Yvonne confirmed it)
Fonz did not provide info.
Adele did nothing
Shea did nothing
Yvonne targeted shafted and Adele (there is no way to confirm this, she declared last)
A mafia kill was submitted so it could be Adele, Shea, Fonz, or DGB. Yvonne could have also submitted the kill, since she went last (on the insistence of Adele) she could have stated what had already been declared. Shafted could also have submitted the kill, for even though Yvonne said he went twice, it does not mean she actually went twice, because again she is just agreeing to what has already been said. I believe that Cicero did indeed target Shafted, but again this can not be confirmed.
After yesterday I was feeling that Yvonne was acting quite suspicious, but if I was wrong and targeted her, we would be wasting some valuable information.
So I was going to target one of the two people I was sure did nothing yesterday. I was torn between targeting Shea and Adele. When I went back to read I saw this exchange.
Adele wrote:/suggest that we come up with an order for nightinfo claims - I think Yvonne, as a watcher (and I, as a self-watcher) should go last, for example.Adele wrote:I suggest that from now on, until at least the SK performs a kill, ckd jails Gorgon every night.
Who's next?YvonneSeer wrote:I got motivated. My watch targets were Adele and shaft.ed.
Nobody targetted Adele.
And cicero did indeed target shaft.ed.
I thought that an Adele/Yvonne link was possible. I thought if Adele was scum, they could pass off the kill to her last night and she could fake her “watching”. However, she was not the one who submitted the kill.YvonneSeer wrote:
Exactly. That's why I said Gorgon would make a rather dangerous SK if he was one.shaft.ed wrote:Well simple numerical odds are greatly in favor of Gorgon being the SK. But it should be noted that Gorgon's role is probably one of the most useful to the SK if not the most so he would be a likely target.
Well, maybe one way to go about this, is for ckd to continue jailing Gorgon and see if there are still no SK kills.
However, I demand that Yvonne go next…I don’t want more information from her that could be regurgitated crap after everyone goes.
shafted, why couldnt you let Yvonne declare first before pressuring me to claim?
Yvonne, claim now or may vote will be coming!NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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How do you know Adele can catch you lying? You targetted her again last night? Why? Are you refusing to claim now?YvonneSeer wrote:Nobody, except Adele, but she must go before me today since something's happened which involves her.
Also, all the players have to tell the truth if they go before me because they don't know my result. If I go first, the scum can escape easily and there is essentially no use to my role.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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@ CKD
Brilliant. Carry on.Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Yvonne couldn't have successfully targeted Adele, cicero already gave that informaiton away. Therefore, your target was already known and bears no matter on what Yvonne says. Your explanation while thorough, I'm not sure I like it.CKD wrote:shafted, why couldnt you let Yvonne declare first before pressuring me to claim?
However, I do agree that Yvonne needs to go first today. While she will keeps liars honest, who is to catch her in a lie. Besides there is only myself and Fonz left if I'm correct. Doesn't matter a whole lot at this point since Adele was jailed and all that. I'm willing to go first if others object.-
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cicero Oratoreador
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shaft.ed dem.agogue
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CKD I may have misunderstood as to what yesterday refers to. If so I apologize in advance. But still would like to know why you locked up the watcher, and it's interesting that Mathcam was not on your nothing list yet turns up dead.shaft.ed wrote:
You do realize that Adele was a WATCHER last night. That's hardly nothing. You also had Mathcam, DGB and cicero to pick from for nothing.CKD wrote:So I was going to target one of the two people I was sure did nothing yesterday. I was torn between targeting Shea and Adele.-
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I had this train of thought yesterday, but Adele pointed out that being 'confirmed' by one other player doesn't confirm anything, since any two players could conceivably be scum together.curiouskarmadog wrote:Since Yvonne is refusing to go, I will go and explain.
I did target Adele.
Yesterday:
I used my ability on Gorgon (confirmed for sure)
DGB said he targeted Gorgon (no way to cofirm)
Cicero targeted Shafted (shafted confirmed it)
Shafted targeted Yvonne (Yvonne confirmed it)
Fonz did not provide info.
Adele did nothing
Shea did nothing
Yvonne targeted shafted and Adele (there is no way to confirm this, she declared last)
A mafia kill was submitted so it could be Adele, Shea, Fonz, or DGB.
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