Mini 536: Heroes Smalltown. Game Over!

[curiouskarmadog]

Cicero's turn.

[DrippingGoofball]

*crickets*

[cicero]

Sorry to slow you folks down. Normally my job is at my desk. Today I was in a meeting all morning. Good meeting though. Things went well. Thanks for askin'.

I targetted The Fonz to join my network.

1.) Adele
2.) DrippingGoofball
3.) shaft.ed

Original Roll String: 1d3

1 3-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[cicero]

Shaft.ed goes next.

[shaft.ed]

Targeted Yvonne

1. Adele
2. DGB

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[shaft.ed]

Adele's next

[Adele]

I targeted Yvonne.

I assume I'm supposed to claim results now - Shaft.ed and CKD both targeted her.

For breakfast, I had doc powers and coffee.

1: DGB

Original Roll String: 1d1

1 1-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Adele]

DGB goes next (startlingly).

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Claim: I did nothing last night.

[DrippingGoofball]

I did nothing last night.

Discuss.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Ckd is obv scum.

Discuss.

[Adele]

hmmm.

Okay. There's three things that immediately worry me. First, that three people were at Yvonne's last night. Second, that one of them

lied

about it. Third, that he did so before he knew that anyone'd be able to finger him or that anyone else had visited her.

By contrast, shafted claimed honestly, even though he knew that that might mean he'd be the only person to claim to have visited the dead girl.

Boy, it's a toughie...

Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

[DrippingGoofball]

I targeted Yvonne.

I assume I'm supposed to claim results now - Shaft.ed and CKD both targeted her.

Are you SURE????? Check the PM from the mod.

Are you even paying attention to the game???

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

DrippingGoofball, what are you on about?

Either ckd killed Yvonne or Adele is lying to try and get ckd lynched.

[DrippingGoofball]

DrippingGoofball, what are you on about?

Simulpost. I thought that Adele hadn't noticed the discrepancy between her claim and CKD's, so I wanted to make sure that it wasn't a clerical error.

Either ckd killed Yvonne or Adele is lying to try and get ckd lynched.

Yes, that's what we have to decide today, isn't it.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Yups.

[The Fonz]

First things first, cicero is telling the truth about having networked me. I was pretty glad of this, since I had in my head prior to that the scenario where cicero performs the kill, and claims to have recruited a scumbuddy, who backs him up.

A few thoughts:

IF

CKD is the killer, DrippingGoofball is almost certainly aligned with him. There seems to be absolutely no rhyme nor reason for killing Yvonne, and risking an Adelewatch, when a CKD scumgroup could safely kill DGB and leave no possibility of detection, and leave a widely suspected town player in Yvonne alive as a potential counterwagon today. Certainly, I think I would have supported an Yvonnewagon.

An Yvonne kill over a DGB one, on the other hand, makes perfect sense with Adele as scum. Neither has any chance of causing a scum to get caught in a lie, but DGB was much the more likely to be jailed. If Adele is scum, I could see DGB as either scum or town.

shaft.ed's claimed targetting of Yvonne makes him

somewhat

more likely to be scum. If CKD is indeed the killer, then his action makes an Adelewatch less likely (and, I suppose, a potential fonzprotect, though I was never particularly likely to protect Yvonne). If Adele and not CKD is the scum, then it means Adele doesn't have a second, possibly risky, watching to claim.

Given their previous interactions, it's extremely unlikely this is any kind of bus gambit.

I find it basically impossible to believe that cicero is scum with CKD at this point.

So from my POV the scum pretty much have to be:

CKD: DrippingGoofball and one of CES or shaft.ed
Adele: two from three of DGB, shaft.ed, and CES.

If we lynch correctly today, hopefully nightactions will allow us to narrow it down further.

I suggest everyone re-read both of those in today's dispute, and then the next step is a full-on interrogation of both.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why did CKD target CES? Is there a reason for that?

[curiouskarmadog]

Adele, I knew you were scum. I did not target Yvonne in any fashion last night.

Vote Adele

Why did CKD target CES? Is there a reason for that?

I was planning on either targeting DGB or CES way before Cicero posted his little post about doing that to help the town tomorrow. Cicero

did

make me feel stupid yesterday for targeting Adele (even though I felt she was scum) because everyone claimed the targeted her. I thought tonight people would targeted her to give her abilities she missed out on the night before, funny no one did that except Fonz. At any rate, I also thought DGB and CES would be good targets last night because I didn’t throw much suspicion there way yesterday and again I tried to out guess the scum and who would send the kill. I figured that CES didn’t have a night choice so if he was scum, they might have him send it. I also figured that DGB and CES would be kills last night because due to conversation yesterday no one was going to jail or protect them (most likely)


Today is going to boil down to a choice, do you believe Adele or myself. Yvonne was the only person yesterday that didn’t vote me (I think) when I pushed to hang her because I thought she could be scum. After all the heat yesterday really want to town to believe that CKDscum killed Yvonne ? If I was scum, targeting anyone else would have been better than targeting CES. I understand this is a WIFOM defense, but seriously, that would have been a horrible play scum. Adele you are a liar, and I hope the town doesn’t believe it.

Also after all the crap you gave me yesterday, why didn’t Cicero and shafted target Adele?

[The Fonz]

Today is going to boil down to a choice, do you believe Adele or myself. Yvonne was the only person yesterday that didn’t vote me (I think) when I pushed to hang her because I thought she could be scum.

Not true, by a long way. None of myself, drippinggoofball, and shaft.ed voted you yesterday.

After all the heat yesterday really want to town to believe that CKDscum killed Yvonne ? If I was scum, targeting anyone else would have been better than targeting CES. I understand this is a WIFOM defense, but seriously, that would have been a horrible play scum. Adele you are a liar, and I hope the town doesn’t believe it.

Targetting CES is unverifiable, so leaves you free to kill. If you are the scum killer, not only does it make sense for you to claim to have targetted CES or DGB, but it requires you to so claim. Targetting watcher, doc or motivator would likely have seen you strung up.

And I simply don't buy the notion that it makes particularly little sense for CKD scum to kill Yvonne. You weren't the most anti-Yvonne player yesterday by any means. Both myself and DGB were more vocally anti-Yvonne. Now, since I've concluded DGB pretty much has to be scum if you are, I suppose you might make the argument

Also after all the crap you gave me yesterday, why didn’t Cicero and shafted target Adele?

Strawman? There seems to me no particular reason to network Adele. Cicero's ability isn't a power, so can't be passed on. As for shaft.ed, well, are you really trying to argue there was only one acceptable target for him last night?

[The Fonz]

* I suppose you might make the argument that it makes no sense for a DGB scumgroup to kill Yvonne.

[DrippingGoofball]

At any rate, I also thought DGB and CES would be good targets last night because I didn’t throw much suspicion there way yesterday and again I tried to out guess the scum and who would send the kill. I figured that CES didn’t have a night choice so if he was scum, they might have him send it. I also figured that DGB and CES would be kills last night because due to conversation yesterday no one was going to jail or protect them (most likely)

Since you narrowed your choice down to CES and me, why did you pick CES?

[DrippingGoofball]

Targetting CES is unverifiable, so leaves you free to kill. If you are the scum killer, not only does it make sense for you to claim to have targetted CES or DGB, but it requires you to so claim. Targetting watcher, doc or motivator would likely have seen you strung up.

That's a very good point.

And criticizing cicero for targeting Adele makes no sense whatsoever. Even I can see that. If CKD is scum, he pretty much can not target anyone else.

If CKD is scum, who could his buddies be, that CKD was the favored player to send in the kill?

[shaft.ed]

If CKD is scum, who could his buddies be, that CKD was the favored player to send in the kill?

No time to pos right now, but this s what really troubles me. I think if we figure this out, we lynch correctly.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

There's not really anyone he could've targetted last night without looking anti-town though. And if you have to make a sacrifice, ckd is the obvious choice. I don't really see this as particularly mysterious.