Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Malakittens]

Just read up.

Seeing Mollie as town which is my first town read. Gut town feeling on ArcAngel.

Unsure on Wisdom, I have a sight feeling on MattP, but I need to see more, but I can probably see him being town.

Whiskers I have played with before, but I want to check something on meta as I haven't played with him in a while.

Nacho is being quite defensive, but I think he's probably town for it.

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

I like my vote there for now.^

[Malakittens]

Yes you're right in that you're crushed. You're gonna be crushed scum PA.

Confirmed vote stays.

[Malakittens]

Nacho is being quite defensive, but I think he's probably town for it.

Explain how he's being defensive. I don't see it.

Why ask me and not the other two who have said it before me?

[Malakittens]

78 isn't too long, really Shos? It's about the same size as your catch up.

Wisdom - his ISO the last few posts by him are reading as defensive. I can quote them if you like, but for me it makes me lean town on him.

[Malakittens]

lot of known faces...

hey mattp, long time..

aww...my dear mollie is here I also think Nacho is scum, he cheated me on the other game. lets lynch him first.

Wisdom can wait.

VOTE: Nacho

NO NO NO NO NO

now what you excuse you got.. you cheater.. i will have my revenge on you..

I'm not the one who needs to give excuses. You need to start giving me excuses for jumping off scum-Wisdom's wagon.

Obviously. Why would whiskers be your buddy in that fantasy you're describing instead of someone else who voted me?

Because we were the two people who started the initial push on you.
Why do you ask?

I never said I thought you were scum I voted you cos I thought it would be funny and I wanted to see what you would do

why so defensive

I wasn't being defensive; I was making fun of you.

This is what read defensive to me. You probably won't agree, but it's fine we can agree to disagree.

Grim, I'm sorry that I used my vote on Penguin_Alien instead of you. I chose to sort her out

first

before I even decide to touch you.

I don't however agree with a scum read on either Arc or Mollie. Neither of them are looking like scum moreso for Mollie than Arc.

Shos I been trying out a new playstyle for a while. I tried it out during Les Mesirables and to some extent it worked well, but part of it is that some of these players we are currently playing with are mostly transparent for me. Mollie and Arc are both of those players, I can read Penguin to an extent well, but I need her to post, but I do like my vote where it currently is because I can see right now Penguin flipping scum and not town.

My theory about MattP has totally been proven wrong so scratch any type of read I may or may not have had on him.

[Malakittens]

My theory about MattP has totally been proven wrong so scratch any type of read I may or may not have had on him.

Oh, now I'm interested! What was this theory

Thought you could only be a hammer rather than using your vote normally which I thought was more townish than a scum role. Instead you voted normally which disapproved that theory all together.

[Malakittens]

In the end I went back onto the wiki and misread that role description. So yeah kill that whole theory in the end.

[Malakittens]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

What I thought you possibly were.

My mind is not right at the moment. ._.

[Malakittens]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mala

I'll bite, why?

(I didn't ask GG since Whiskers said it first and there's no reason for a repeated request.)

[Malakittens]

Because you're scum

Here we go again.

That's not going to hold. You have a *real* reason so tell me why you think that.

[Malakittens]

Mala, why did you have to ask Wisdom why he's voting you? Was #124 unclear?

Can we not answer for him?

He does this litteraly every single game I'm in with him. He'll call me scum; tunnel the living fuck out of me. If I'm town I either get frustrated to the point I want to replace out or not play with him for a while or b) ignore him and hope he goes away. If I'm scum he frustrates me to the point I just don't bother responding to him and just NK him that night.

He can't and won't always be right in every single game. He needs to learn this.

So yes I want to see if its something more than #124.

[Malakittens]

You sheeped the 'nacho is defensive' belief because that's what it seemed the cool kids were doing. When I asked you why you believe that, you basically answered "ask them, I don't know" and yet then you tried, foolishly, to provide an original opinion on why he was defensive in hopes of not looking scummy. But it sucks because nacho wasn't anything close to defensive.

Even your "I didn't ask grimgroove because that" thingy is you covering the case someone would point that out. You overly care not to appear scummy.

Lol. No I didn't. I answered you, but I was on my phone and couldn't quote because I was running to work. I was tryin to point you to one of his last ISO posts and hoping I didn't have to go take your hand and show you were it was.

See the thing is people call me defensive all the freaking time yet when they go so and so post is defensive I'm like yeah no it's not. However yes Nacho's post looked defensive to me and not everyone sees everything the same way as another person. However I already stated his defensive posts weren't scummy as hell to me, but instead made me lean town. So the whole Mala's sheeping the cool kids club is wrong and party a misrep on your part. My town read on Nacho is probably different than lets say Arc's town read on him. And idk even know what he's reading to Mollie anymore.

[Malakittens]

To quote for everyone;

Spoiler: Last time I caught Mala

You have a tendency to tunnel me.

and being right

Not always. There has been games you were wrong.

And your tunneling in general isn't always right.

There is a reason why you WERE on a personal black list of mine. Which is a reason why I made Evil Regals because I was sick of playing with the same players over and over again and being tunneled in general. Mastin was one of them, you were a second one of them.

I made ER for three things; 1) kill the Mala has rolled scum:town 9:3 time ratio in less than a month. I was being overly emotional in my playstyle because tunneling in general was getting under my skin (see xeno via Mastin and NY:Mana via Mollie). And I wanted a bit of a fresh start. Had you known ER was me your whole approach that game would have been different. The same way as you acted when I revealed who I was in that newbie.

[Malakittens]

You're still not answering.

When did I tunnel on you when you were town?

It's your tunneling in general that pisses me off regardless of my alignment in any past game we played. I guess you have a point you haven't tunneled me as town, but right now you're tunneling on town me. It's going to fucking annoy me really, really fast. So fucking back off and let me play or else I won't stay here very long because I will and I mean I will replace out.

You do this to me every single fucking game and you probably get a kick out of it.

[Malakittens]

You are in the early stages of it, but considering I already gave you a gold mine in reactions I can see you not backing down now.

I joined this game because I'm a mythology geek so I put aside my personal black list due to it.

Anyways ~Night.

[Malakittens]

You do this to me every single fucking game and you probably get a kick out of it.

Again, this is a lie. I have never tunneled on you when you were town.

Considering the only recent games we played together I was scum in, besides DP where I was ER, it feels like every single game.

When you saw ER was me in the newbie you decided to keep on tunneling and was lol it was Mala. So again point proven you get a kick out tunneling me.

[Malakittens]

I have a decent way of reading pen. The more she doesn't post the more of a chance she's scum. So yes my vote was to bait her into posting (which worked the first time). It's not a sticky vote Mollie. I need her around so I can actively read her and she's around, but not posting here.

I recently found something newish for reading Nacho thanks to Jiffy and that's where my defensive tell came into play.

GG I played with Mollie and Arc a lot, a lot more than any player here. They are pretty transparent to me. This is Mollie's town game and if I'm right this is also arc's town game.

As for whiskers I haven't had time to check and I always mix him up with rd. I need to go to that open game soon and will probably do it after work maybe. My net last night was really slow when I turned off my laptop couldn't get shit to load and didn't really go away til my mom turned off her tablet.-.- I was mobile posting for that whole wisdom thing and starting to get irraited while tryin to sleep so it was emotional on my part, but I need him to leave me alone and not tunnel me to a point it's not fun anymore to play this game.

[Malakittens]

but I need him to leave me alone and not tunnel me to a point it's not fun anymore to play this game.

okay.
Who is scum?

Right now my leaning scum read and biggest one is Peng.

I got a few town reads and a few leaning ones.

Shos is a maybe scum only because I played a similar way in Les and he's scum reading me here for playing on gut/having town reads.

I still have to sort out others, but that's where I'm starting to look as of right now.

[Malakittens]

Right now my leaning scum read and biggest one is Peng.

What is it about Penguin Alien's two (!!) posts that's so scummy?
Do you have a history of games with her where you can show me that lack of acitivty during the start of the game means penguin = scum, and where the opposite happened when penguin = town?

It's not the lack of activity that's making me lean scum on her. It's the fact she appeared right after I voted for her that makes me really lean scum on her.

I could in fact take a look at a past game and see if the way I'm approaching her this game is similar to the way I approached her that game. I forgot exactly why last time I thought I saw Peng-scum I let it go, but it was back in Mastin's game in NY. I think I let her slide because she was the only one at the time giving me the time of day to actually talk to me about my reads.

[Malakittens]

I have a decent way of reading pen. The more she doesn't post the more of a chance she's scum. So yes my vote was to bait her into posting (which worked the first time)

It's not the lack of activity that's making me lean scum on her. It's the fact she appeared right after I voted for her that makes me really lean scum on her.

Hmm, it's not what you said before.

I want to see how your 1v1 with Penguin plays out when she gets here. But I don't see you initializing the conversation with her. Apart from that empty vote and a tongue-in-cheek comment that you'll leave that vote there I haven't seen any concrete effort from your side to spur Penguin into action.

Her reply is very similar in timing to this. Please note I voted her and then she responded there to how I did here. It's odd how she only decided to come into this thread after a voted landed on her.

Well, it's kinda hard to initializing conversation when only one half is here. How am I supposed to initialize a conversation with her w/o her being present. Hence why I'm

having

some discussion about her hoping it would lure her into this game. Maybe some help from someone else would be very

helpful

to me right now or else I have to get my result somewhere else, but I rather not.

[Malakittens]

welp my dad just came home and my internet fucking went to shit, fuck this so much.

[Malakittens]

Her reply is very similar in timing to this. Please note I voted her and then she responded there to how I did here. It's odd how she only decided to come into this thread after a voted landed on her.

There's a big difference between an RVS vote and a serious vote on Day Five of a game. I don't see your point.

shos, do you have a specific problem with MattP's vote on you?

Mine was never an RVS vote here actually since we were out of RVS way before I appeared at least in my mind since there was some discussion going.


stoppppppppppp ninjaaaaaaaing me ._.

[Malakittens]

Lol I'm going to love reading anything by Ooba if this keeps up.

[Malakittens]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mala

penguin's last posts were a little better.

I disagree. She's still doing the similar post only when called upon thing that she did when she was scum in Manical (Mastin-NY)

[Malakittens]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mala

penguin's last posts were a little better.

I disagree. She's still doing the similar post only when called upon thing that she did when she was scum in Manical (Mastin-NY)

which apparently, you're also doing. I voted you and you popped up.

I'm switching between hydra accounts, in between tabs discussing, in skype chat with Chamber trying to fix my League DNS issue (I crashed and can't log back in.) and playing fetch with my kitten. I'm multitasking, it's fun, but annoying.

It's part of her scum-meta to do this, but you're ignoring it and treating her like town because she's only focusing on any interactions that's coming at her instead of taking the bull by the horns and looking at other posts like I know town-Peng to do so.

[Malakittens]

but you're ignoring it and treating her like town

wat

She's following her scum meta to a tee, but you took the vote off and said her previous posts looks better, but they do not. This to me is odd especially coming from you.

[Malakittens]

You know the picture thing is amusing. He should tell me what he uses. Kinda tempted to try it out because it looks fun. I remember loving VM's restriction with pictures. The only type of restrictions that annoyed me was the ones in Meme's (The rick roll micros x2)

[Malakittens]

So like when I shouldn't have been I skimmed part of page 12 at work because I got bored. I can't really tell if Shos is just naive town or scum. Probably scum, but hey yeah.

[Malakittens]

He's doing a catchup that looks good. And I know, Information over analysis, and I also know, that a catchup is really easy to make look good. But I'm not really reading anything into it more than gut right now.

Just seems to me that, Town outnumber scum (although, now that I think about it, we don't know that. But still, it's assumed), so I'm doing a more of an "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Or maybe, "Neutral until suggested otherwise." You say shos is scum, I'm not really sure why.
Those three players, in fact, look just fine to me-- null, meaning "Don't lynch them." Mirai is my least-favourite of the group, but if I recall correctly, that can be blamed on OMGUS.

This is a null tell for Shos as I have seen town and scum Shos do it, but he feels off this game especially with him bitching about me having early town reads. In past games he's never been grouchy about it as town, but this game he seems to have a big problem with it

[Malakittens]

Lies Grim. When I have a meta read on someone or even a gut read ill go all out. See funky in Mis, I'm sure I have done it in the past with others, but can't remember where. I did it off site and managed to get myself lynched instead.

[Malakittens]

Hydra'ing with Mara has taught me a few things. One is to be more confident in my scum reads and second even if I hate 1v1 because I'm a shitty player at it to do it if I really believe a player is scum.

I can't link now. I'm mobile for the next hour or so.

[Malakittens]

GG here's a recent game where i pushed a lynch on DrDolittle Day 1. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32611

I also didn't back down from Funky until something happened at the end of Day 1. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31879

~

Wisdom reads are as follows:

Town:

Mollie
Arc

Leaning Town:

Nacho
MattP
Wisdom
Desperado (It's weakest out of all of them.)

Null:

Everyone else

Leaning scum:

Shos
GrimGroove

Scum:

Penguin

[Malakittens]

I agree to that. but I think that catch where GG took mala (and later when she 'suddenly' came out of the hydra) is more strong(stronger?) so I'm keeping my vote there.

The fuck are you referring to?

[Malakittens]

Fuck I really want a Peng lynch, but at this point I think I'll be more than willing to settle for a Shos lynch.

I'm not at all reading him as town not one bit in the slightest.

[Malakittens]

Shos did you read my post where I have played NUMEROUS games with Mollie AND Arc AND Nacho? Arc is transparent as a ghost to me, but Mollie can be at times also. Nacho I learned something off Majiffy, but I'm just trying it now. MattP was a gut thing from the wiki that I remember reading as I already explained, but since then that has been proven wrong (he voted), but MattP and I tend to be very explosive towards each other as opposite alignments, but when we are both town we tolerate each other. (However that was one of our first games on site so I don't hold much water to it..)

I'm pretty sure all three of those are town along with MattP.^

You say I'm faking reads, but I'm not. I didn't feel like doing a catchup like you are doing because it doesn't suit any purpose to me.

[Malakittens]

Why is Grim leaning scum, Mala?

pedit: And Matt

Never seen him defend someone so much as he's doing with Peng right now. It's just a horrible gut feeling I have and not going to let it go until I get a flip that let's me know about Peng.

[Malakittens]

Hey Mollie

Hey Mollie

What's your read on me?

[Malakittens]

Yeah, it's like her signature move.

Yeah I saw it earlier and it strengthened the TR I had on her.

[Malakittens]

Because really the only time the chair is posted is when she's town. I mean she might do it as scum, but I have never seen it before in the games she's played with me.

[Malakittens]

Because really the only time the chair is posted is when she's town. I mean she might do it as scum, but I have never seen it before in the games she's played with me.

So, there's no reason for her not to do it as scum.
It would be playing to her town meta and make her look townier, in a time when her alignment is doubtful.
The previous is so true, that it strengthened your town read on her.
Hnnng, so there are lots of reasons why she

would

do it as scum.

It's WIFOMy, and also null.

I'm aware, but I already had a strong town read on her before the chair.

She has reasons that she could do it as scum sure. One for WIFOM is correct, but she

is

playing to her town meta before

before

the chair. So her using it to make her look townier in my "eyes" isn't a factor so not sure why you are using this as an argument against me.

[Malakittens]

Yes it's an argument against me because you are trying to discredit my town read on her.

[Malakittens]

I have posted recently Shos.

I rather lynch Peng over Shos.

Won't touch Mollie at all this day phrase.

[Malakittens]

Will post soon; shower, housework.

[Malakittens]

Can we lynch Peng, please?

[Malakittens]

You realize that if Shos and Grim are town that there's a lot of stuff that needs to be sorted before we lynch Penguin

Well; having Peng flipped would give me some information on Shos and Grim. Their excessive buddying is annoying so I doubt they are scum together, but at least one of them is a good chance at being scum.

Peng is just scum to me. I doubt and really doubt she'll flip town. She's just not giving me town vibes at all. Not one little bit.

~

Desperado -

I tunnelled on town-Peng in the past and she didn't react like this. THIS IS HER FUCKING SCUM GAME.

[Malakittens]

@ Wisdom: Arc (early townread w/ mollie) and someone weird...Mirari?

Mala, I'm seeing the same things you are. I don't think it's her towngame either.

With that said, humans are...human, and she might just be off her towngame.

This doesn't chive w/ your last post before this.

You are now thinking Peng is a ML and I'm scum.

Get your feelings straight.

[Malakittens]

My issue with her threat to replace out is that she was basically crying wolf. Wisdom didn't start tunnelling her until after she whined about him starting to tunnel her.

PEdit: Derp. I said if you are scum then Penguin is a mislynch.

So your vote on me to tell me you think I'm town?

[Malakittens]

Dude he took a break.

[Malakittens]

If Mala is scum then mollie (shitty chair townread) and penguin (designated ML) are both town

Unvote
Vote: Mala

[Malakittens]

If Mala is scum then mollie (shitty chair townread) and penguin (designated ML) are both town

Unvote
Vote: Mala

Where in that post am I calling you town?

You were calling me town prior and then you decided to flip-flop.

[Malakittens]

Mala, do you remember what happened the last time you decided to ignore me?

I know. I been skimming posts.

So it's okay for her to just push one player and disregard the rest of the game? Really?

I'm might be pushing only Peng, but I'm hunting for her scumbuddies.

Even thought that's not what she's doing but w/e.

I'm hunting people it's not like I have her as my only scum read and it's not like I'm not looking for town reads either.

That looks fake, Nacho. You never expected me to say that? How so? If you are referring to my tunnels, even when I have them, I don't ignore the rest of the game. But even if I did, are we talking about me here? Does Mala play anything like me?

How is what she is doing ok? She is only responding to Desp, she is only spamming "lynch peng" and she is doing nothing. How are you not doubting your read on her at all given such play?

Lies. I'm not only responding to Desp. You're kidding me right?

@Grim: Face my demons? You missed a post that you based the majority of your case on not existing (that is, Wisdom having called you scum)I pointed out the post, and I explained everything in your large posts directed at me. I also pointed out I wasn't lying about going on a break

Yes, that is all very good, but I was referring to room 876 and obviously was not talking about the stuff that has been rendered irrelevant thanks to your briljant replies.

But you're not talking yourself out of that slip with Mala. Because you didn't use logic in that one. You used a play on emotions and I caught it. You're good at using logic against people, but you're lacking in the emo-use department.

I KNOW you wouldn't make a threat like that and I KNOW MAlakittens would not ignore such a threat unless it came from a scumpartner.

Nah. I know it was full of emotion, I was cranky, tired and wasn't wanting to deal with Wisdom's tunneling. I can see how him not wanting to play with me again regardless of my alignment due to it. I didn't comment to it because it was honest and truthful not because of anything else.

[Malakittens]

I already given you a ton of readlists.

I already given you my thoughts on Mollie. You didn't see where I commented on Mollie's posts. My posts 641, 644, 647 & 649.

I still don't like Shos, but he's not my lynch I want this day phrase. I rather have Peng and then maybe about Shos. I don't like his attacks on me and his buddying with GG. However read my 867 for more thoughts on it.

I still liking my town read on Nacho.

[Malakittens]

It could be possible, but I was townreading her early.

I mean I don't even have a read on Whiskers yet. I am not the best at reading that kid.

[Malakittens]

Why can't nacho and I both be town? ;-;

I just have a really hard time reading Whiskers. I town read him in our first game together and it wasn't until late game when I realized he was scum. Only because he did something similar to me what GM did in DP.

I think she can have a strong scum game and fool me, but this doesn't feel like the fooling type of game by her, however. I been fooled in the past by scum her, so you can argue the validity of me being able to read her isn't that great.

[Malakittens]

This is different than what I remember besides the ending of one of his posts reminded me a bit of the scum game, but it is a minor thing.


I gotta go listen to 8 hours of Christmas songs! Back later (at break).

[Malakittens]

See, she reponds like this, refuses to be helpful, and then I have to accept she is town. I can't.

I am being helpful; you're the one refusing to believe what I'm saying isn't helpful.

[Malakittens]

How? I am asking you to read Whiskers and you tell me "it looks like his town game and one post like his scum game".

That's helpful? Comment on his content, comment on his exchange with mollie, comment on his exchanges with me. You have seen the guy in another game.

But no, you just rush a forced read and run away.

Because I was going into work and didn't have the time to read through everything and give a proper read. I was giving you my read on him before the ISO read and a possible read on the old game.

[Malakittens]

Mala we are on page 39 and you still have done nothing. It's not just this time. I shouldn't have to ask you to provide content, you should be doing it on your own.

Yeah okay. I have interacted with most of the active players besides {Whiskers/Nacho}. I am chasing my strongest scum read, but that means nothing to you, apparently. This is Penguin's scum game, but you're not seeing it. As I stated last time I chased her when she was scum she shrughed me off very similar to what's she's doing now. She's not posting, but coasting. This IS her scum game. When she was town and I did go after she reacted differently. She was engaging most of the players and this game she is not doing that at all. Plus I noticed in her town game she moves her votes around faster than she does in her scum games. All of which she's not doing.

I am leaving Mollie alone because I don't want a repeat of our NY game. I will only interact with her if necessary. If I see a post by her I don't like I'll calll her out about it.

MattP has been an early town read for me. I really thought he had a vote restriction on him, but as I said our playstyles mesh together when we are both the same alignment, but when one of us are at difference of alignment we are like dynamite. I really also like his posts and he feels town to me.

Desperado is a bit different because I misread him in NY and the rest of my games I was either scum with him or scum against him. He has no qualms about bussing or distancing himself from a partner so I need to take a wait and see approach when it comes to him. {I know that's not enough for some people, but I need more time with him.}

Wisdom I think however you're town.

ArcAngel9 is destroying my town read on her by not posting, but she's been known to do it as both alignments. So you can't really take much into reading her as either alignment when she lurks. I know she changed her playstyle in one newbie and micro game we played together and I really enjoyed it there. Part of me wishes she would go back to it.

Shos and Grim is kinda hard to give a pure read on them. Both of them are buddying each other hard; overlapping with each others reads. Gut says one is scum and one is town; wagon says Shos might be town, but doesn't tell me what Grim is. Facts say this is too obvious for scum partners. So either one is town and the other is scum or one is town and the other is town.

I want to hear more on Ooba and Mirari. Ooba I want to hear your thoughts on Mirari saying that he can read you well because you both live together.
Mirari I got a question for you; can you back up any credibility of being able to read Ooba in the past due to this.

As for Whiskers; I don't agree with him chasing Mollie at all. Whiskers is sorta doing what I'm doing to Penguin, but has actual posts from Mollie to back up reads. Mollie unlike Penguin

isn't

coasting at this point. Whisker's 328 in regards to the meta post feels fake because when Town-Whiskers just went "Whatever, whatever" to meta, but this it feels like he's overreacting and it's fake. I don't see the 1v1 with him and Mollie as a town v town. I don't see it as a s v s either. It's a t v s 1v1.
In other words; leaning scum on Whiskers. If someone wants to explain why they disagree with this read of mine, please go ahead because I'm not really seeing Whiskers as town based on this ISO.

[Malakittens]

I really thought he had a vote restriction on him

You thought that just because he didn't RVS? Why? Have you never seen people skipping RVS?

I have seen people skip RVS, but I don't believe I have seen him skip it along with I'm only willing to hammer Wisdom felt to me like he had a vote restriction which then was proven wrong when he voted later in the stage. I commented on this in the early game.

Why didn't you ask me about that earlier?

Shos and Grim is kinda hard to give a pure read on them. Both of them are buddying each other hard; overlapping with each others reads. Gut says one is scum and one is town; wagon says Shos might be town, but doesn't tell me what Grim is. Facts say this is too obvious for scum partners. So either one is town and the other is scum or one is town and the other is town.

Eew wtf did I just read

First of all, you are completely wrong. shos

has

been buddying Grim, Grim has changed his read on shos a thousand times AND called shos out on his excessive buddying.
Secondly, "wagon says shos might be town"? Wtf is this? How?

This post sounded like typical bullshit scum make up.

I'm aware Shos has been buddying Grim. It's overbuddying which makes me feel like it's too obvious to be scum partners. However I feel like we don't have a scum-scum, but we either have a town-town or a scum-town combination in our hands with them.

The wagon on Shos built a built quicker than I expected which leads to me that Shos could be town. It's not a definitive town read and probably not as reliable as I would love it to be. So either Shos' partners ARE busing him OR he's town. As I said the Grim seems to be defending Peng early, but so did Shos. So having a Peng flip would give me more information on others players.

It's not "typical" bullshit scum make up. This is how I form some of my reads early in Day 1; I have been known to do it with some of my hydras and sometimes my partners don't even understand. It's just how I think; how I play; how I hunt. If that makes me sound scum so be it, but that's my thoughts on the process of the Shos-wagon.

[Malakittens]

Why didn't you ask me about that earlier?

I didn't care about it, I found it stupid and I had better things to care about. But now you keep repeating it in your attempts to justify your reads, which is bullshit.

No. You commented on it because you are trying to tell me it's made up bullshit, but it's not. It's what I was thinking in my head at the time. I'm trying to justify my reads at those times.

You keep trying to ask me for my reads, but now that I give them to you you are just going to seriously sit here; discredit them; call them bullshit and call them made up scum bullshit.

Don't ask me for something and then proceed to do this.

I been engaged in this game, but it's not the engage that you would like from me.

[Malakittens]

I asked you for reads precisely because I knew your reads would suck. If you had made up better reads, you wouldn't need me to ask you, you would have posted them.

.....

So this was your thought process;

Mala's reads are going to likely suck.
I'll ask her for them.
Flat out say they suck even though I knew they were going to suck to begin with.

I haven't had time to give explanations.
I posted my readslists prior w/o explanations and you didn't really have a problem with them.
Now that I had time to post a readlist w/ explanations you flat out say they suck, discredit them and call it all bullshit.

I don't even know what to do with you anymore. There's nothing I can do that you'll be satisfied with.

[Malakittens]

Yeah okay. I have interacted with most of the active players besides {Whiskers/Nacho}. I am chasing my strongest scum read, but that means nothing to you, apparently. This is Penguin's scum game, but you're not seeing it. As I stated last time I chased her when she was scum she shrughed me off very similar to what's she's doing now. She's not posting, but coasting. This IS her scum game. When she was town and I did go after she reacted differently. She was engaging most of the players and this game she is not doing that at all. Plus I noticed in her town game she moves her votes around faster than she does in her scum games. All of which she's not doing.

Yeah see,
You're losing the Whiskers vote on this one because your case is, "meta, meta." If all you have are meta tells, it's not a case I'm interested in falling for, especially not on Day 1. From the look of what you said here, you

should

be able to just go, "She's lurking", simple as that, and then go "ergo, she's scum." Which isn't really a strong case either, but it's stronger than "Meta, lol," which is maybe not exactly what you're saying, but it's exactly what I'm reading in your posts.




In other words, this.

While I don't disagree with the meta itself; why are you not waiting for her to actually post, but instead are encouraging people to speedlynch her? Why do you rule out that she is just inactive for her own reasons and jump to the conclusion she is inactive because she is scum?

Explain to me how I'm supposed to make a case on her when she's not posting at all?

It's kinda like you calling ArcAngel9 out for lurking when it's in either alignment for her to do just that.. Lurk...

I been waiting for her to post, but she's not. She's clearly avoiding the thread unless it's other things that are getting in the way (which I could see as a possibility, but I don't think so). She's posting elsewhere, but not here.

[Malakittens]

first of all, Mala has replaced out of games before (as town) because it pisses her off. So the line that rings disingenuous to you is likely true regardless of her actual alignment. Secondly, I don't think Mala scum says something like that in an attempt to discredit wisdom with that much conviction unless she knew what she was saying was true, or had some ring of truth to it. And it wasn't just that she backed down, but instead how she backed down. When scum back down, there's usually a bit of squirming, a bit of awkward, a bit of ickyness. The back down here was clean and showed no loss of conviction, which I liked a lot.

To be fair, I know what game you're referencing. The difference between that game and this game; I was on a whole another emotional level and it caused our slot to basically be scum-read by majority of the players and almost becoming lynch-bait. I replaced out of frustration and not wanting to damage something I had {friendship} you can say that game I had something outside of the game which I took on a personal level. I came back in because Mara asked me and talked me back and then calmed me down; the last replace out wasn't me at all (regardless of me telling Mara in skype that I was officially done) and it was Mara who pulled us both out.

This game I just needed Wisdom to not go down that road because for me he was in early signs of it. I guess after playing with Wisdom or watching him I can sense when he's getting ready for a tunnel. The one game I hated watching a Wisdom tunnel was when I was WW and he tunneled on Sakura, I felt really, really bad for her.

Anyways, off to work for me.

[Malakittens]

ye know what before I go.
my wagon seems to be the easiest one to jump on. I mean literally, every single post that I make has dozens of reasons for half the people here to jump on.

do you think I'm just this bad as scum(look at my siggy)? O_o; for some reason I get pushed way the fuck more than ANYONE else. may as well just lurk the heat off? what the fuck guys.

Oh,okay. So I remember using this last paragraph as a defense against Nacho a long time ago when I was scum.

[Malakittens]

What

I

want to know, is why you didn't answer any of

these

,

Spoiler:

along with I'm only willing to hammer Wisdom

That's not what he said, he said that if someone puts me to L-1, he will hammer.

Why didn't you ask me about that earlier?

I didn't care about it, I found it stupid and I had better things to care about. But now you keep repeating it in your attempts to justify your reads, which is bullshit.

I'm aware Shos has been buddying Grim.

You said they both were hardbuddying each other, so no, you are not aware.

The wagon on Shos built a built quicker than I expected which leads to me that Shos could be town.

The speed of a wagon has no bearing on the wagonee's alignment. Find better excuses.

So having a Peng flip would give me more information on others players.

So now it's an information lynch? I thought you were just sure that penguin is scum. You can't even be consistent.

It's not "typical" bullshit scum make up. This is how I form some of my reads early in Day 1; I have been known to do it with some of my hydras and sometimes my partners don't even understand. It's just how I think; how I play; how I hunt. If that makes me sound scum so be it, but that's my thoughts on the process of the Shos-wagon.

It is. "hey guys it cant be scum-scum, it must be town-scum, and this one is the scum, lets lynch". Forced conclusions based on nothing that scum make up all the time.

Any why, despite not answering them, Wisdom unvoted you. Meta, I'm sure.
But I want Malakittens to answer

first

, then Wisdom.
Not, of course, that Malakittens actually does answer most of the stuff addressed to her.

I didn't answer them because the only last part was a question to me. The rest weren't really 'questions', hell I could have commented on them, but I chose not too because I misread what MattP said, but still doesn't change the fact I thought he had a vote restriction that was more closely related to a town-role than a scum role.

I did comment on the second one.

The only question in the third section is in regards to Peng. Yes, I think she's scum and yes I think she would give information to me in regards to other players. Yes I have a meta read on her, but no my vote on her isn't because of information itself, but I truely believe she'll flip scum.

[Malakittens]

OK, staying awake long enough to figure out what's going on here.

I will say that I don't remember Mala storming out after me at the start of a game before. Can't find an example in my completed games. So for her to say that I'm acting differently that I have in the past when she's done this is perplexing.

I also don't see the tradeoff for scum-Mala to be investing so heavily in this scum read on me, since my town flip would leave her with egg on her face

.

Promised catch-up/coherent thoughts incoming.

That's not actually true. I did go after you at the start of a game before, but it was over another reason. Then I let it go because I realized that your comments rang genuine and that you weren't scum based soloely off that reason.

Remember when I went after you for not confirming right away in Mind Reader Mafia?

I went after you towards the end and your reactions to me felt different from what they are right now.

Note the bold:

Why are you so hesitant in this read. Sounds like part of you doesn't want to call me scum because you don't see why scum-Mala would go so hard after a mislynch, but you don't even want to call me town for it either. (Not that I was thinking you would call me town, but this just feels off to me.)

I'm not getting 'scum' from the shos ISO. Reading through his posts, I find myself nodding along.

Wisdom looks town, mostly because it seems like he can't help himself as town from tunneling, being fixated on his reads, and generally not changing his game overmuch. Not what I saw from scum-Wisdom in Newbie 1448.

GG is paranoid and suspicious. Not looking for the easy buddy with shos, and he's not afraid to tangle with Nacho. His refutation of the 'Mala goes and looks up Actor to see if that could be MattP's role' supposed town tell is in line with my opinion as well.

Whiskers is town. Sorry, but scum don't see someone with an emotional playstyle and say, 'gee, let's push that person's buttons for funsies.'

AA9 is saying all the town-AA9 things, but in a game like this where she knows a decent number of people, I'd expect the interactive part of her style to be more front-and-center. Heaven knows I get being behind, but it's a drastic falloff. On the other hand, her defensiveness about it is townish, so I'd let it slide pending further info.

Desperado's willing to engage with mollie over the weak Whiskers scum read and tells Wisdom off. I disagree about shos, but I think he has a point with mollie.

Mala thinking that MattP would indicate his role so early on looks like hopeful scum. I don't think that Mala would pull any fake emotional stuff, so I think her frustration with Wisdom is genuine.

This:

@ Wisdom: Arc (early townread w/ mollie) and someone weird...Mirari?

Mala, I'm seeing the same things you are. I don't think it's her towngame either.

With that said, humans are...human, and she might just be off her towngame.

This doesn't chive w/ your last post before this.

You are now thinking Peng is a ML and I'm scum.

Get your feelings straight.

isn't town interacting with other people's reads. This is 'how dare you change your mind even a little bit.'

MattP, still don't see him laying out anything that convinces me shos is even scummy, let alone scum. (and to clarify, by 'following the game' I mean 'comprehending the arguments that mirror popular opinion' rather than 'reading the thread') But I'm willing to buy that he has a strong mutual town read on/with Wisdom, and Wisdom-town makes me think MattP-town.

Mirari, I don't like posts like this:

Not that I know. I have only played two games here and I don't think you were a player in those games. I'm just asking you too vote because ooba votes are bad.

where it takes more than one post for Mirari to explain why ooba votes are bad. It's not helpful and reads as artificial to me.

Calling shos' posts filler is also a gross mischaracterization. You can disagree with the content, but there's no way they're fluff.

Also the same reason penguin is scum. I just realized Mala is on her wagon. That increases the credibility of the wagon and the likelihood of penguin being scum if you ask me. Decisions, decisions...

This is odd. You don't mention Mala that I can find anywhere else before this in your postings, yet suddenly her being on my wagon makes it so much better. And to say that she's 'on my wagon' is a mild way of putting it; she's been on my wagon forever pushing my lynch. This isn't some surprising new development that represents someone changing her mind about me.

Nacho, don't agree with all his stances, but I'm getting a gut-town vibe off him. Anything further I'd like to think I can sort out a bit further down the line.

ooba, here:

Penguin scum flip would mean Mala town. Plus I never liked the fact that Nacho was on the shos wagon. Lets see where this leads..

Vote: Penguin

seems like town being frank. And considering their wagons in light of other reads, instead of trying to push lynches through irrespective of inconsistencies in their stances. I'd like it better without the slight implication of it being an exploratory vote. Also seems flexible in a non-scummy way.

mollie, still don't comprehend the inflexibility on Whiskers earlier. I get being annoyed with someone, but at a certain point it's only reasonable to step back and see if there's a non-'people are attacking me!' explanation. The Whiskers conflict read as a good way for mollie to kill time. The chair discussion also seems null. Yes, I've seen town-mollie pull it out, but I certainly wouldn't draw conclusions from it, given that the goal of the game as scum is to play a town game in any aspects that don't damage your team's chances. The chair pic falls under that category.



Overall reads:

Town:
shos
GG
Whiskers
Wisdom

Town enough I would disagree with their lynch:
AA9
Desperado
MattP
Nacho
ooba

Scum enough that I wouldn't condemn their lynch:
Mirari
Mala
mollie

Scum:
I'm too out of sync with a lot of people's reads to feel like I have anyone whose lynch I'd feel super-confident on.

That's all I have tonight.

I have to say there's some reads in this whole post that feels off to me.

First your ArcAngel9 read. I'm not disagreeing with you about the read itself, but the reasons feels like it's mimicing other's voices in regards to her. Yet the last part 'I'll let it slide pending further information' gives you a perfect opportunity to swing this read on her in any way. I don't like it.

How does Desperado's actions make him more town in your eyes. Doesn't his interactions be null really because wouldn't you think Scum-Desperado would try to act similar to how a town-Desperado would?

Your read on me. Let me get this straight: why exactly are you leaning scum on me? Is it because you think my early townreading of MattP looks like hopeful scum or is it because I'm going after you hardcore?

No, I just didn't like Desperado's posts at all. Just felt like he was going after you, but then randomly changed to scum reading me because of information, but not because he really feels like I'm scum. That post of his felt really off to me.

I have to agree that I disagree with how easily Mirari is writing off the Ooba votes because they live with each other so he can read Ooba well. Why I questioned in it a later post of mine.

As for the Mollie read you give her a null read which I would think you would do the same for Desperado. I don't think you believe in that Desperado read, but leaning scum on me is part of the reason why you are calling Desperado town.

I'm starting to prefer a peng lynch over wisdom.

and yes, he does spam as both alignments, so that does not count as a towntell, luckily

Interesting. Wisdom is pushing a Peng lynch or was.. Yet you are scumreading Wisdom, but are willing to prefer someone he was recently calling scum.

I am currently convinced you are scum, so no, I want people to be convinced as well.

I skimmed them - the felt awful imo, but just saying it's awful is not useful in shit. I will only elaborate when I *really* find time; I'm posting here just inbetween things and only reading in my phone so meh.

I definitely may vote for a mala lynch over you, in case deadline pushes, if that matters.

Again this doesn't match up with your previous post. I'm only sitting with 2 votes how exactly would voting me get my lynch. Unless someone is a triple voter I don't exactly think getting my lynch will happen.

erhm sorry, I meant peng, not mala. I really don't remember anything from mala's posts

Why exactly don't you like Peng's posts?

Yet you're scum reading me and keep saying you hate my posts, but don't remember anything from my posts?...

[Malakittens]

@Malakittens

, are we going to have to lynch [you/peng] today? Is it going to end up as a 1/1? Is that what you're hoping?

Maybe. I mean unless someone finds and convinces me someone is scummier I do want a penguin lynch. If Penguin can convince me she's town then I'll let her go, but for right now, no she's not town in my eyes.

I don't understand penguins read on Mala or Matt.

Ooba posting remains low energy which makes me sad.

I agree with this.

You were Mafia, not WW

And I tunneled more on you than her

Eh, to be fair, all I remember is me being a scum fraction. The little details don't really matter to me.

I know you did, but there was a part in your tunnel on her I felt REALLY bad for her.

Fuck this game.. Go slow damit.. I am 20 pages behind to catch up..

are you fucking kidding me?

20 pages behind on page 34? that's like a minute past RVS. I've done this before, we can force-replace you in need. either get the fuck working on this game this sunday or switch the fuck out.

/sorry for being rude btw I'm alittle angry at lurkers lately

I don't like this at all.

Oh interestingly enough in post 859 Mala suddenly comes out of the blue supporting a peng lynch! funny how he doesn't say anything for a thousand years and then comes to support the popular wagon! opportunistic something eh.

Hmmm. Are you even reading my posts as you call me scum? Or are you just pointing out things to fabricate a fake read on me?

I'm gonna point out two REALLY SUPER IMPORTANT THINGS.

I'm a girl.

Secondly, how can I be opportunistic when I have been pushing for a Penguin lynch since I started posting?

You realize that if Shos and Grim are town that there's a lot of stuff that needs to be sorted before we lynch Penguin

Well; having Peng flipped would give me some information on Shos and Grim. Their excessive buddying is annoying so I doubt they are scum together, but at least one of them is a good chance at being scum.

Peng is just scum to me. I doubt and really doubt she'll flip town. She's just not giving me town vibes at all. Not one little bit.

~

Desperado -

I tunnelled on town-Peng in the past and she didn't react like this. THIS IS HER FUCKING SCUM GAME.

okay. that's enough VOTE: mala.

come on, mala. who are you trying to fool? having a peng flip would give you some info on ME and GRIM?? oh my shining bright star, tell me, what do you learn on me if peng flips scum? what do you learn on me if peng flips town? that is BULLFUCKINGSHIT. our excessive buddying?? it's like you're skimming the thread and copycat-ing others to look like you're posting content. the buddying between me and GG happened like, twice, only, and in like 3 posts, 500 posts ago. it is annoying?? please my dear, show me the last time I buddied grim, and even better, show me the last time GG buddied me. I'm pretty sure that literally never happened. I buddied grim only, and it was years ago. oh, you think at least one of us has a good chance at being scum? can you be any more vague? "I think that at least some of the people who might or might not be talking might have some chance that might be big and might not to be possibly maybe scum". FUCKING KIDDING ME

and peng is just scum to you. just scum. like that.
are you pulling a wisdom here? lol. no way in hell this happens twice a gameday, lol. you doubt she'll flip town? based on what? she's just not giving me town vibes? so that means that ALL THE OTHERS *are* giving you town vibes?

and you tunneled..so..wuht. you didn't do it here. nobody else did it here. so why would she react the same? peng posted very few posts iirc. few. you're eating and shitting the other way around.

no way in hell ou're town

that's enough for tonight ima go to sleep now. will keep reading tomorrow, probably catch up slowly via phone.

This emotion looks fake. Like hundredpecenttoathousanddddddd fake.

Yes, I will learn a lot if Penguin flips scum. I can use her posts to hunt her partners down and eliminate people from my lynch pool. Grim has been on the defense of Penguin and chainsawing me in the process. I can learn whether or not it's scum-Grim defending scum-Penguin or scum-Grim defending town-Penguin or if it's town-Grim defending one of {town-Penguin or scum-Peng}. Me having Grim sorted I can also sort you and possibly Desperado all in the process.

I won't lie and already admitted that I have been skimming, but copyctting people's reads. Nope.

Again; looks like you're the one who has been skimming over my posts or not reading them at all or better yet copying people's reads of me. If you did take the time out to read or not skim my posts you will find I been pushing a Penguin lynch from the getgo.

Penguin isn't playing to her town meta and I have said this before.

Not everyone else is giving me town vibes..

Yes I have been tunneling her.

[Malakittens]

I'm going to start with replying to what Nachomamma said:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

What I thought you possibly were.

My mind is not right at the moment. ._.

This rabbit hole theory is crazy town and not really a scumMala move at all. It is also completely consistent with earlier posting:

It's a random thought. Hypothesizing about a completely random role being in the game based on an RVS-joke is not alignment-indicative, no matter how you see it.
What is objectively verifiable though, is that this theory, or this kind of thinking, does not remind me of a scumhunt-driven process. All Mala did was make an association between MattP's early intent to hammer and the Actor-role.
Why would Town care to think about what kind of town a person would be, let alone be so specific as to go delve into the role of something that seems rather rare to me.

I completely agree. sortof rolefishing, and no assiciation whatsoever to any townread.
but why the hell would you bring that up? that was 400 posts ago. how did you suddenly find this post?

alright so from the next parts of that post I understand that you're talking about a towncase on mala by nacho. I agree with most of what you posted. that doesn't give you towncred because it's just thinking, but it gives scumpoints to nacho, in the same manner as it gave wisdom.

more bullshit from mala pointed in there. someone should totally ISO mala and create a case. I might have some time to do that tomorrow evening.

Why don't you go ISO me and create a case?

Why do you need someone else to do the dirty work for you so you can just jump on at convenience.

See, she reponds like this, refuses to be helpful, and then I have to accept she is town. I can't.

I am being helpful; you're the one refusing to believe what I'm saying isn't helpful.

that doesn't make sense english wise but eh, I agree that you're not useful. I don't remember any of your posts that has any explanations in it. oyu gave us lots of reads but never explained, iirc. he's town, he's town, he said X so he is town. but WHY. saying your reads isn't helpful in shit. teh fact that you do it so much without elaborating shows (to me at least) that you're just fabricating stuff as the game goes along. shos is wagoned- shos is scum. shos isn't under pressure anymore, pa is - so pa is scum. etc.

wisdom I will hate you forever if you're town. I'm flipflopping on you like a tossed coin. post 958 by wisdom is perfect.

964 is good too. it's perfect in fact. because it is apollogetic. what I think is going on is wisdomscum guiding the buddy malascum. YOU HAVE TO POST. PEOPLE ARE SEEING IT. do you see how after a gazillion gestures, finally when mala says that in such a tone, mala says 'fine' and starts posting content? haven't read that content yet, but that's a start supposedly..

if either of those flips scum when I'm dead, nail the other one to the ground by the balls with a jackhammer.[/quote]

Don't nickpick me via wording. Don't as it's a pet peeve of mine.

I actually gave explanations for my reads in one of my posts, but you seemed to just gloss over that. As I said you previously stated you didn't remember my posts, but now you do. So which is it.. You remember my posts or you don't?

You are seemingly willing to meta everyone, but me. yet in clue you did a meta - in other games you didn't care that my scumread on Funky was basically gut and genuinely made to build a breadcrumb of who I was at the time in that game.

Wisdom I think however you're town.

ArcAngel9 is destroying my town read on her

however?

go read that post please.
there was no mention of wisdom at all. why however? O_o

and townread on AA9???? based the fuck on what????

Shos and Grim is kinda hard to give a pure read on them. Both of them are buddying each other hard; overlapping with each others reads. Gut says one is scum and one is town; wagon says Shos might be town, but doesn't tell me what Grim is. Facts say this is too obvious for scum partners. So either one is town and the other is scum or one is town and the other is town

OH MY GOD THIS HAS GOTTA BE THE WORST PARAGRAPH EVAR

no, we did not buddy each other hard at all, that was a session of 3 posts containing OMG I LUV U SO. and seriously, you couldn't be any more vague than what you said. that's like. WUT.

Whiskers is sorta doing what I'm doing to Penguin,

..you're...not doing anything. voted. yes. nothing more. no.

you keep not explaining stuff so I'll ask: WHY do you think that the 1v1 bewteen mollie and him isn't town v town? I can't see how one can make such a statement without at least saying who they think is more likely to be the scum.

lol shit you did say xD well then just answer me why you get that feeling, and how comes you think whiskers is scum, since whiskers is really my best townread at the moment. you said, 'based on this ISO'. can you elaborate? what in his ISO made ou think he is scum?

so far it looks like you're just throwing stuff into the air. show me some ground and I might reconsider. might.

970 is good by mala as well. keep up the hate -_-; ye know what, maybe change that to keep up the bussing, based on last post? XD

well I'll read 974+ later tonight, going for some kung fu.

lolwut I was ninja'd by 4 posts of wisdom and 2 of myself?

Wisdom is tunneling and seems his town self. Granted I only saw his scum-self once in one of his first games on his site, watched a scum game of his in a newbie, but barely remember it. I'm just seeing all his town qualities. That read isn't going to change because this isn't the scum game I remember in that micro.

Hmm. I'm going to go recheck your posts after this if you brought the same attitude to people calling ArcAngel9 town, but I believe you didn't. I'm not the only one townreading her, but as I said before and I'm sick of explaining it to you. Her and Mollie are transparent to me because they are the two players here I play with more than anyone else. With Nacho, Wisdom and Penguin leading at the back.

970 wasn't mine? it was wisdom's post.

[Malakittens]

I have seen people skip RVS, but I don't believe I have seen him skip it along with I'm only willing to hammer Wisdom felt to me like he had a vote restriction which then was proven wrong when he voted later in the stage. I commented on this in the early game.

This is not what mattP said. he said that if wisdom got to L-1 he would hammer. he never said that he will hammer ONLY IF IT IS WISDOM, and he never said that he is unwilling to do anything else.

for the tenth time, grim and I did not hardbuddy each other. I buddied grim in 2, 3, MAYBE 4 posts, and that was because grim was at the time the only one(except maybe wisdom) to actually follow my logic and listen and understand. he understood the logic hundreds of posts before my wall, after which everyone suddenly got it in a second. but grim never buddied me, and my buddying consisted on 2 I LUV Us and 1 OMG U SO CEULZ.

earlier you said taht we should lynch peng because it is her scum game omgwtfbbq. now you say that a peng lynch will be a good information lynch.
which is it? why do I get the feeling that you're just trying to lynch peng, no matter why/how? are you a lyncher?

damn you wisdom for being town again. however, in one thing you are wrong: the speed in which a wagon rises and collapses is definitely not null. if you present stupid shitty reason (or none at all) to vote me and all of a sudden I'm L-1 (which has almost happened lol), then there's no way in hell that the wagon is town driven. you could be town, but either you, or the people who suddenly agree with idiotic logic, have to be scum, and that wagon is most probably on a townie. you will almost NEVER see quickwagons rise on scum, unless there's some definite proof or something unrefutable. what happened here? you said 'he is scum it is obvious' and suddenly 5 votes? do you think that makes sense?

well other than that 977 is a very good post

979 too. mala's flailing heavily under the pressure. but is it a bus or not.....we'll see.

@post 980: yes. because they really are bullshit. giving reads with no reasons is very easy. here, take examples:
mala, peng, wisdom scum
all others conftown.

here's another example
gg town
whiskers scum
wisdom cop strongman vig ability thief ninja scum
mala SK
shos enabler town
peng tracker scum
all others VTs.

^^^ do you see how bullshit that is? do you? without explanations it is empty. it's void of any use. when I think you're scum, I think, oh, he must fabricate reads, right? so he must fabricate explanations, right? so his explanations must be bullshit, right?--->ask for explanations. if it's bullshit, you're scum. guess what? it's bullshit. you gave me an entire readlist without a single comment on a single post that supports any of your reads. 'oh yeah the conversations yadda yadda'. nope. the only read that I can accept(ironically..) is the one on me, because I think that the quickwagon accusation is correct. but that's not nearly enough. yes, I am one to lynch my supporters..

Wisdom and Matt. explain to me your townread on Mala. I saw no reason to townread her at all.

going to shower, will cotninue later

I'm glad you are just continuing to parrot things that have already been said or discussed.

As I said I explained my reads in one of my latest posts, but you don't like any of them and are reacting the same way that Wisdom did. Seems like again you are just piggybacking/parroting anything anyone else is saying.

She said shit that I sympathized with based on my experiences being wrongly tunneled. It made me feel for her. On two separate occasions.

It's possible her angle this game is to play a sad little emotional thing (which has been my angle as scum before too) but idk. I wouldn't lynch her today. I wouldn't even get close to considering it assuming her play is consistently at the level it currently is.

Also, it really pisses me off to consider that someone that's scum that another player is beginning to tunnel for it would threaten to replace. It's such disgusting form.

I don't think I would replace out due to this. The only times I have ever replaced out was because I was force replaced, real life was more important.

for some reason I read what you responded to me, so I'll give you this and go back to my other tab waiting

off the memory, just from the latest reading: Mala's reasoning for me-town is faulty. it is based on 'hardbuddying' between me and GG, which really is a made up scene. inconsistent with how she claimed to be following the game or something.
Mala's push on penguin is based solely on meta. meta and policy maybe - since she is practically lurking, and probably can't keep up and defend against all accusations against her considering this game's pace. it's like calling AA9 scum. I do believe peng is scum, but at the moment it seems the only viable wagons are me, mala and her, and since she's already committed herself to peng(possibly bussing) and to shos-townread, she kinda has no ochoice.

I had more. if I had the time to ISO, I'd probably give you a much more lengthy case than the one I gave on wisdom, which I now have no idea what to think about. sadly I don't have much time, not for this game or for my other. it's again after midnight when I'm posting here, and still I have 4 pages to catch up with.

*sigh pedit: I'll read you later. you look long.*

Again, now you are remembering my posts.

I don't even anymore. I can't.

Don't have time but I saw Mala ask me a question. I don't have any games with Ooba. I just think since we know each other well we'd be able to read each other well. This is really only my second game ever.

oh well that's disappointing. drop it, really -_-

peng's post is good. I don't agree with all of it, but it shows good thinking. Matt, I know, it's nothing new, clever or insightful; but peng DID have loads and loads to catch up with. I think she managed to sum up a good part of the game considering her views on each one of us, and well, she didn't do a catchup superuberwall like I usually do. I understood her views on everyone, even if I disagreed, everything makes sense. scum usually have problems making sense with accusing townies because well, townies post honestly, so it should work.

so I'm removing peng from today's lynch.
I'm kinda being left here with Mala alone, with a slight, tiny possibility of wisdom in the back.

gonna lol at the irony of my own post 995. that was because wisdom started to look townie, and peng was just there by default. funny how it came immediately after the post that made me townread him

gonna lol again at my confusionCount++; XD /pun
nobody onsite would get that who am I kidding XD sigh

I'll continue tomorrow.

Why drop it really? I want the question answered. Don't tell someone to drop a question I want answered. Don't get in the way of my scumhunting. I physically don;t understand how someone town-reads another player based off the fact they live together.

I didn't feel Peng's post was a good one. I guess I'm an odd ball out about it.

The issue with my meta trick on Mala is:

a) She ALWAYS FUCKING HYDRAS
b) There are definitely conclusive results from the last 3 months with difference in use of the term "scum". However, not when you account shit back from March and after. Therefore, I would just disregard it. But something fun. This is Mala's use of the term "scum" in her last two completed games, along with this game, by iso post 63:

39 scum by iso 63 olympian
5 scum by iso 63 macbeth, TOWN
46 scum Xenogears, MAFIA

However, anything before this becomes flimsy again and makes the results bad. I'm not going to discount data just because this data looks pretty, but I just wanna point out my heart almost came out of my chest when I finished checking Xenogears.

I like hydra'ing. I have plans to hydra with a lot more people coming soon. {HEY NACHO I'M LOOKING AT YOU}.

Those numbers are actually interesting. <<

However I don't even know how someone would start to defend themself from a wording of a certain game.

[Malakittens]

yeah, I'm not really liking Whiskers either.

With that in mind.

I think I'm done for the night.

[Malakittens]

I didn't answer them because the only last part was a question to me. The rest weren't really 'questions'

Are you kidding me?
Refuting your statement about what Matt did is not worth a response?
You are practically admitting to ignoring me and answering as little as you can.
Which you do as scum.

I misread what he said, but doesn't matter between misreading that and not throwing down an RVS I thought he had a vote restriction.

I kinda already told you about MattP and you just told me I was trying to explain what I already explained. I dropped it.

I'm not ignoring you because I'm answering you, but never answered that one direct questioning because there was more important posts by you at the time. I was trying to answer you as quickly as I could after you fired off multiple posts at once.

[Malakittens]

pirate mollie, how would you call your own play in this game?

weirded out that whiskers is clearly an alt who knows me and is harassing me and no1 cares but now that I am stepping away from it a bit I am getting some info

matt, nacho, wis are town <------ don't touch them

I am still working out other things. ooba and that mirari girl are interesting and might be a strong town unit.

I lack conviction in my shos vote tbh

what a weird question

The correct answer to that question would have been: "My play sucks."
That would have been an honest answer. Because I've just checked your ISO and your play is extremely bad.

Your townreads show me you've been happy with simply looking at the surface. Having the top 3-posters of this game in your townreads reeks of laziness from your part.

What is your read on Malakittens? What is your read on groovy kid?

I got limited time, but why ask about a read on yourself?

Also I'm noticing that Mollie is keeping her distance, cheerleading Wis in regards to his read on me while calling Nacho town, but saying Wisdom is better in terms of reading me. Which basically isn't true because they are likely equal.

Wisdom has played with a majority of scum-me with only 2-3 town me. (not exactly sure on the town number.)
Nacho has played with a majority of town-me with only 4-5 scum me. (One of which he was scum with me).

So in my eyes they are on equal playing field in terms of that.

When I get home I can go exactly in numbers, but right now I don't have the time as I'm on a 15 min break and I'm probably not gonna get to reply to everything.

[Malakittens]

starting on 41.

@Nacho: can you link me to games where mala has replaced out as town?? that is such an incredibly easy thing to fake that I really want to see if it holds any water.
and no, me that is not me compromising, that is me saying that I'm not going to hold my vote eternally and I keep an open mind, because yes, I have more than just one scumread. This is not scummy at all. ESPECIALLY considering the wall I made just about a piss later, in which I voted mala. and that vote stayed, now that I'm flipping it on wisdom and off wisdom - mala is a steady scumread for almost the entire game, I think.

goddammit mala you're a girl. that's like AtE automatically for me meh, I'm sorry hun, but you saying how on that matter X and tht one Y doesn't change the facts. I'd be glada if you could link me to both of them if nacho doesn't or if you get it first.

oh man, AA9...we need a replacement guys.. my wall is right...

pedit: I did not mean it was buddying, lol, the opposite. I was saying what happened to the buddying in the time when everyone voted me for no reason. I can dig it out for you if you need. that quote from 1135 is probably something I missed the importance thereof, but now I can see it. you guys buddied hard when it was convenient, when you all just piled on me and deflected anything else. now you really don't know each other.

consistency=\=dependent on situation. ==> someone is faking.

How on earth is saying my gender AtE. What the?..

I think we have gone over this in past games. When I'm home I'm reminding myself to check this.

So two things on my list to check:

Number of games with Wisdom and Nacho.
My gender discussion in any games revolving Shos.

[Malakittens]

starting on 41.

@Nacho: can you link me to games where mala has replaced out as town?? that is such an incredibly easy thing to fake that I really want to see if it holds any water.
and no, me that is not me compromising, that is me saying that I'm not going to hold my vote eternally and I keep an open mind, because yes, I have more than just one scumread. This is not scummy at all. ESPECIALLY considering the wall I made just about a piss later, in which I voted mala. and that vote stayed, now that I'm flipping it on wisdom and off wisdom - mala is a steady scumread for almost the entire game, I think.

goddammit mala you're a girl. that's like AtE automatically for me meh, I'm sorry hun, but you saying how on that matter X and tht one Y doesn't change the facts. I'd be glada if you could link me to both of them if nacho doesn't or if you get it first.

oh man, AA9...we need a replacement guys.. my wall is right...

pedit: I did not mean it was buddying, lol, the opposite. I was saying what happened to the buddying in the time when everyone voted me for no reason. I can dig it out for you if you need. that quote from 1135 is probably something I missed the importance thereof, but now I can see it. you guys buddied hard when it was convenient, when you all just piled on me and deflected anything else. now you really don't know each other.

consistency=\=dependent on situation. ==> someone is faking.

How on earth is saying my gender AtE. What the?..

I think we have gone over this in past games. When I'm home I'm reminding myself to check this.

So two things on my list to check:

Number of games with Wisdom and Nacho.
My gender discussion in any games revolving Shos.

[Malakittens]

@Wisdom:"ooba, why do you not like Grimgroove?"

There's nothing that made me go "that's town"

@Mala: I want to hear more on Ooba and Mirari. Ooba I want to hear your thoughts on Mirari saying that he can read you well because you both live together.

I cannot comment about online play because like Mirari mentioned - this is our first game together. However, we have played IRL before. However, there are three things that make me feel better about Mirari:
- As scum in our IRL games, Mirari always has the tendency to attack me. Usually lines like "He is scum" with no particular reasoning.
- I wouldn't call it 'playing as a team exactly' but when we play IRL, we tend to refine our reads by discussing it interacting with each other. Mirari initially commenting on my not posting ("Where's my beloved ooba?") plus trying to get me to change my vote from Arc ("Ooba, hun, you should probably change your vote.") fits with her town profile.

Mirari reads me better than the average player. But I was initially paranoid about the sheer number of "ooba is town" at the start. But on reflection, there are signs to her town meta than scum(see above) and overall, feels strong town to me.

@Nacho: Ooba posting remains low energy which makes me sad.

I always take a bit of time to build up - I get emoitionaly invested in a game over time. I'm hardly useless this game though.

@shos:ooba's post is plainly wrong imo. that's a bad post. it's just wrong and misrepful imo.

How exactly is it plainly wrong?

---

@Matt:
Does you technique account for length of actual games or total number of posts made by that player? I like the analysis but think (No. of times player posted scum)/(Total number of posts by player in game) would be a better metric to measure.

Shos's 1023 post was so overactive - just gave me bad vibes all around. But I'm trying to see if it falls into the "it's soo bad it cannot be scum" category and figure out possible partners based on reactions\voting if he's scum.

That's for telling me that you have some mafia experience because really what the town read looked like was "I can read him well because we live together". At least with you telling me that you have some rlmafia experience it goes beyond just that. Maybe I can't legitly prove that your meta for rlmafia is true and I have to take my word on it, but at least having it explained makes me feel a bit better about you.

I'm just unsure why Mirari didn't respond to it like this, but I probably didn't word it right.

Okay times up I'm gone.

[Malakittens]

@Wisdom:"ooba, why do you not like Grimgroove?"

There's nothing that made me go "that's town"

@Mala: I want to hear more on Ooba and Mirari. Ooba I want to hear your thoughts on Mirari saying that he can read you well because you both live together.

I cannot comment about online play because like Mirari mentioned - this is our first game together. However, we have played IRL before. However, there are three things that make me feel better about Mirari:
- As scum in our IRL games, Mirari always has the tendency to attack me. Usually lines like "He is scum" with no particular reasoning.
- I wouldn't call it 'playing as a team exactly' but when we play IRL, we tend to refine our reads by discussing it interacting with each other. Mirari initially commenting on my not posting ("Where's my beloved ooba?") plus trying to get me to change my vote from Arc ("Ooba, hun, you should probably change your vote.") fits with her town profile.

Mirari reads me better than the average player. But I was initially paranoid about the sheer number of "ooba is town" at the start. But on reflection, there are signs to her town meta than scum(see above) and overall, feels strong town to me.

@Nacho: Ooba posting remains low energy which makes me sad.

I always take a bit of time to build up - I get emoitionaly invested in a game over time. I'm hardly useless this game though.

@shos:ooba's post is plainly wrong imo. that's a bad post. it's just wrong and misrepful imo.

How exactly is it plainly wrong?

---

@Matt:
Does you technique account for length of actual games or total number of posts made by that player? I like the analysis but think (No. of times player posted scum)/(Total number of posts by player in game) would be a better metric to measure.

Shos's 1023 post was so overactive - just gave me bad vibes all around. But I'm trying to see if it falls into the "it's soo bad it cannot be scum" category and figure out possible partners based on reactions\voting if he's scum.

That's for telling me that you have some mafia experience because really what the town read looked like was "I can read him well because we live together". At least with you telling me that you have some rlmafia experience it goes beyond just that. Maybe I can't legitly prove that your meta for rlmafia is true and I have to take my word on it, but at least having it explained makes me feel a bit better about you.

I'm just unsure why Mirari didn't respond to it like this, but I probably didn't word it right.

Okay times up I'm gone.

[Malakittens]

Seriously, she is pushing penguin, right? She is like 100% sure penguin is scum. penguin posts a wall after days of inactivity, and

Mala completely ignores it and responds to completely irrelevant things (that might hurt her image if she didn't)

. Then after I prod her and ask her why she is not responding to it, she decided to do so.

Why are you ignoring this? Why the hell would she not respond to it the first chance she got?

I do have to ask though, why is [other parts of the game], including [the wagon/attack on her] "completely irrelevant? Mala is only allowed to talk about the scumread she's tunneling? Er...

I didn't expect a town reaction because her doing nothing was already something not town.

Ah, I see.
Confirmation bias.

Gotcha!

So why call out this part of the post for confirmation bias when clearly 979 of wisdom's had it all written over it?

[Malakittens]

Glad Penguin ignored all of my posts I had written for her.

._.

[Malakittens]

OK, staying awake long enough to figure out what's going on here.

I will say that I don't remember Mala storming out after me at the start of a game before. Can't find an example in my completed games. So for her to say that I'm acting differently that I have in the past when she's done this is perplexing.

I also don't see the tradeoff for scum-Mala to be investing so heavily in this scum read on me, since my town flip would leave her with egg on her face

.

Promised catch-up/coherent thoughts incoming.

That's not actually true. I did go after you at the start of a game before, but it was over another reason. Then I let it go because I realized that your comments rang genuine and that you weren't scum based soloely off that reason.

Remember when I went after you for not confirming right away in Mind Reader Mafia?

I went after you towards the end and your reactions to me felt different from what they are right now.

Note the bold:

Why are you so hesitant in this read. Sounds like part of you doesn't want to call me scum because you don't see why scum-Mala would go so hard after a mislynch, but you don't even want to call me town for it either. (Not that I was thinking you would call me town, but this just feels off to me.)

I'm not getting 'scum' from the shos ISO. Reading through his posts, I find myself nodding along.

Wisdom looks town, mostly because it seems like he can't help himself as town from tunneling, being fixated on his reads, and generally not changing his game overmuch. Not what I saw from scum-Wisdom in Newbie 1448.

GG is paranoid and suspicious. Not looking for the easy buddy with shos, and he's not afraid to tangle with Nacho. His refutation of the 'Mala goes and looks up Actor to see if that could be MattP's role' supposed town tell is in line with my opinion as well.

Whiskers is town. Sorry, but scum don't see someone with an emotional playstyle and say, 'gee, let's push that person's buttons for funsies.'

AA9 is saying all the town-AA9 things, but in a game like this where she knows a decent number of people, I'd expect the interactive part of her style to be more front-and-center. Heaven knows I get being behind, but it's a drastic falloff. On the other hand, her defensiveness about it is townish, so I'd let it slide pending further info.

Desperado's willing to engage with mollie over the weak Whiskers scum read and tells Wisdom off. I disagree about shos, but I think he has a point with mollie.

Mala thinking that MattP would indicate his role so early on looks like hopeful scum. I don't think that Mala would pull any fake emotional stuff, so I think her frustration with Wisdom is genuine.

This:

@ Wisdom: Arc (early townread w/ mollie) and someone weird...Mirari?

Mala, I'm seeing the same things you are. I don't think it's her towngame either.

With that said, humans are...human, and she might just be off her towngame.

This doesn't chive w/ your last post before this.

You are now thinking Peng is a ML and I'm scum.

Get your feelings straight.

isn't town interacting with other people's reads. This is 'how dare you change your mind even a little bit.'

MattP, still don't see him laying out anything that convinces me shos is even scummy, let alone scum. (and to clarify, by 'following the game' I mean 'comprehending the arguments that mirror popular opinion' rather than 'reading the thread') But I'm willing to buy that he has a strong mutual town read on/with Wisdom, and Wisdom-town makes me think MattP-town.

Mirari, I don't like posts like this:

Not that I know. I have only played two games here and I don't think you were a player in those games. I'm just asking you too vote because ooba votes are bad.

where it takes more than one post for Mirari to explain why ooba votes are bad. It's not helpful and reads as artificial to me.

Calling shos' posts filler is also a gross mischaracterization. You can disagree with the content, but there's no way they're fluff.

Also the same reason penguin is scum. I just realized Mala is on her wagon. That increases the credibility of the wagon and the likelihood of penguin being scum if you ask me. Decisions, decisions...

This is odd. You don't mention Mala that I can find anywhere else before this in your postings, yet suddenly her being on my wagon makes it so much better. And to say that she's 'on my wagon' is a mild way of putting it; she's been on my wagon forever pushing my lynch. This isn't some surprising new development that represents someone changing her mind about me.

Nacho, don't agree with all his stances, but I'm getting a gut-town vibe off him. Anything further I'd like to think I can sort out a bit further down the line.

ooba, here:

Penguin scum flip would mean Mala town. Plus I never liked the fact that Nacho was on the shos wagon. Lets see where this leads..

Vote: Penguin

seems like town being frank. And considering their wagons in light of other reads, instead of trying to push lynches through irrespective of inconsistencies in their stances. I'd like it better without the slight implication of it being an exploratory vote. Also seems flexible in a non-scummy way.

mollie, still don't comprehend the inflexibility on Whiskers earlier. I get being annoyed with someone, but at a certain point it's only reasonable to step back and see if there's a non-'people are attacking me!' explanation. The Whiskers conflict read as a good way for mollie to kill time. The chair discussion also seems null. Yes, I've seen town-mollie pull it out, but I certainly wouldn't draw conclusions from it, given that the goal of the game as scum is to play a town game in any aspects that don't damage your team's chances. The chair pic falls under that category.



Overall reads:

Town:
shos
GG
Whiskers
Wisdom

Town enough I would disagree with their lynch:
AA9
Desperado
MattP
Nacho
ooba

Scum enough that I wouldn't condemn their lynch:
Mirari
Mala
mollie

Scum:
I'm too out of sync with a lot of people's reads to feel like I have anyone whose lynch I'd feel super-confident on.

That's all I have tonight.

I have to say there's some reads in this whole post that feels off to me.

First your ArcAngel9 read. I'm not disagreeing with you about the read itself, but the reasons feels like it's mimicing other's voices in regards to her. Yet the last part 'I'll let it slide pending further information' gives you a perfect opportunity to swing this read on her in any way. I don't like it.

How does Desperado's actions make him more town in your eyes. Doesn't his interactions be null really because wouldn't you think Scum-Desperado would try to act similar to how a town-Desperado would?

Your read on me. Let me get this straight: why exactly are you leaning scum on me? Is it because you think my early townreading of MattP looks like hopeful scum or is it because I'm going after you hardcore?

No, I just didn't like Desperado's posts at all. Just felt like he was going after you, but then randomly changed to scum reading me because of information, but not because he really feels like I'm scum. That post of his felt really off to me.

I have to agree that I disagree with how easily Mirari is writing off the Ooba votes because they live with each other so he can read Ooba well. Why I questioned in it a later post of mine.

As for the Mollie read you give her a null read which I would think you would do the same for Desperado. I don't think you believe in that Desperado read, but leaning scum on me is part of the reason why you are calling Desperado town.[/quote]

[Malakittens]

Just seems like you're hedging on some of your reads leaving a LOT LOT LOT of opportunity to change it.

I'm hunting a lot besides you, but I have a lot of town reads due to it rather than scum reads.

Your FoS on me just seems OMGUS-like.

I'm just shocked on how you haven't moved your vote onto me since it's pretty obvious your vote on Mirari is just idle-like of a vote. (Then you can say the same for mine, but I have a glimpse of support.) I kinda get the feeling you're trying to keep your distance or you really feel 'confident' in your Mirari vote.

Blech league game, byeee

[Malakittens]

Whiskers leave Mollie alone.

>_>

(Well both of you behave.)

[Malakittens]

I have not forgotten about my vote. Although Mala bugging mollie for a read on her is making me strongly consider Mala-scum.

So I noted this and waited for you to post, tried to engage so I knew you were following along.

Why call this alignment indictive, but when Grim does the same exact thing you say nothing, I litteraly mean nothing out of it?

[Malakittens]

Why did you comment on me doing it, after/before having done the same thing yourself?

Because I wanted to bring attention to it to see if she would pick it up.

[Malakittens]

None of those make me scum.

I have already said I been skimming. I don't have a lot of time on break so I skim past posts and get back to them later. Skimming isn't a scum tell. Me being prodded isn't a scum tell. You're trying to say timing, timing when I only have the night time to actually read all 7+ pages that accumulate while I'm at work. Majority of my posts are either when I'm on break or after work.

I might have been focusing on Peng, but I am hunting others. So yeah that's a lie when you say I haven't scum hunted elsewhere. I didn't have the time to read her wall until later.

Actually it's important to me, but maybe not to you. Mollie seemed to attempt to discredit Nacho's read by saying well Wisdom has better experience reading Mala. Which isn't true, you guys are on even playing fields, but you guys normally play with opposite alignments.

I'm not going to repeat myself again with this point.

I'm not again going to repeat this point either as I have done it numerous times before.

Bs you're suffering from being bias when readin them. You already admitted it. If you had a problem with the reads prior speak up (no -- I'm not just referring to the Mollie read).

Just because you have meta on that doesn't mean it's true. In fact I know 100% right now those tells are false. I also learn on avoiding usin tells in future games (not related to you, but to other players.).

Again I was skimming. Already admitted it prior to this post. Don't keep making me repeat myself. I thought you were going after someone else at the time and not Peng. Still doesnt matter your all of a sudden dropped scum read felt off because this isn't her scum game.

[Malakittens]

blah blah tunneling blah blah

caught scum is caught

Now let's fucking lynch Mala and Matt back to back

Nope, not happening. Not in this game you're not.

MattP's claim is interesting, but I believe it.

@Grim:

There's only two goddess I would consider in myth standpoints as "virgins", but this isn't what I'm asking here. Does it tell you are immune to anyhing else or is it just neighborizers?

[Malakittens]

Part of me wants GG to flavor claim, though.

[Malakittens]

Actually, Mala, sweetie,

Since you're online, you can answer some stuff for me too.

Have you been Neighborized? (By Matt)

Because it seems as though you have. I just want to make sure I fully understand the situation.

I havent recieved word of it yet.

[Malakittens]

Actually, Mala, sweetie,

Since you're online, you can answer some stuff for me too.

Have you been Neighborized? (By Matt)

Because it seems as though you have. I just want to make sure I fully understand the situation.

I havent recieved word of it yet.

Is that a yes, or a no? Or if neither, please expand on your answer; I don't understand what you're saying.

No. I don't know. I haven't had a message. So it's like a neither as of the moment?

[Malakittens]

And how would Matt neighborize anyone? Isn't the game daystart?

This.

Which is why I said what I said.

I figured I would know after the ngiht happens.

sholy fuck im tired

[Malakittens]

I don't think claiming flavor helps scum, I think it hurts them.

I think it's possible they only got the names of Gods that weren't in the game, without full claims attached. I think it's possible they didn't get fakeclaims at all and had to make them up entirely.

Could be both.

I have seen roles that cut the day to an end if a certain player matches that flavor. It's to avoid mass flavor claims like this.

Anyways wisdom has a point.

[Malakittens]

For Peng

with love

Mala

pirate mollie, how would you call your own play in this game?

weirded out that whiskers is clearly an alt who knows me and is harassing me and no1 cares but now that I am stepping away from it a bit I am getting some info

matt, nacho, wis are town <------ don't touch them

I am still working out other things. ooba and that mirari girl are interesting and might be a strong town unit.

I lack conviction in my shos vote tbh

what a weird question

The correct answer to that question would have been: "My play sucks."
That would have been an honest answer. Because I've just checked your ISO and your play is extremely bad.

Your townreads show me you've been happy with simply looking at the surface. Having the top 3-posters of this game in your townreads reeks of laziness from your part.

What is your read on Malakittens? What is your read on groovy kid?

I got limited time, but why ask about a read on yourself?

Also I'm noticing that Mollie is keeping her distance, cheerleading Wis in regards to his read on me while calling Nacho town, but saying Wisdom is better in terms of reading me. Which basically isn't true because they are likely equal.

Wisdom has played with a majority of scum-me with only 2-3 town me. (not exactly sure on the town number.)
Nacho has played with a majority of town-me with only 4-5 scum me. (One of which he was scum with me).

So in my eyes they are on equal playing field in terms of that.

When I get home I can go exactly in numbers, but right now I don't have the time as I'm on a 15 min break and I'm probably not gonna get to reply to everything.

[Malakittens]

._.

Ftr I don't really see a reason to hate both claims. not yet at least.

[Malakittens]

Why did you want to know if my Virgin status only relates to neighborizers?

Just answer it

[Malakittens]

For Peng

with love

Mala

Yes, he asked about mollie's perception of him as well, but it was in the context of asking about plenty of other reads and an ongoing dialogue. Yours came off as insecure scum:

Hey Mollie

Hey Mollie

What's your read on me?

You weren't engaged with mollie about anything else at the time. Why prioritize her read on you over any other activity from her?

Yeah, okay. No. It's the same thing regardless of all of the other content he wrote.

Grim answer it because I have a theory. Also flavor claim, please.

[Malakittens]

Malakittens: no.
If you want to give your theory, just go ahead.

Can't, with your no, the theory would give out more information to scum. I'll stay quiet for a little longer.

[Malakittens]

You'll need to clarify that statement. Is it a tunnel because I don't want to lynch one of the neighborizers today? Why was my Shos suspicion not a tunnel? I have just started truly pushing penguin. I don't think that counts as a tunnel.

You just posted a naked "we need to lynch penguin". Without reasoning, without any attempts to interact with her. I call that a tunnel.

How are the neighborizers relevant? Mala has not claimed neighborizer.

But do tell me why you would prefer to lynch a stronger power role than a neighborizer.

Also answer my questions. Why do you think that both neighborizers are likely to be town? And why are you not interacting with penguin?

When did Peng claim a power role?

[Malakittens]

omg i misread that entirely, IGNORE ME.

[Malakittens]

@1530
I didn't want to butt in before so that penguin answers, but no, it's not the same thing at all. Grim was questioning mollie on why she is not scumhunting, why she is not expressing reads, hence his "what's your read on groovey kid?" <- he is using mollie's nickname for him, as if to say, "you should be saying "groovey kid is town/groovey kid is scum but you aren't." Your "whats your read on me" in contrast came out of nowhere and was not accompanying any suspicion on mollie. Nor did you follow up with another question to her.

They are completely different, like your alignment and Grimgroove's.

Here we go again; ignoring the fact I had a town read on her when I asked her that question.

Please for the love of god think before attacking me.

[Malakittens]

Then why did you ask the question if not because you were suspicious?

Because I actually want to work with her, but I need to know her thoughts before I go ahead and try to work with her and she flips out on me.
)
I was working with her in NY until she flipped out on me because of 1) relative tell 2) not posting when my skype was online 3) she thought I posted a pr tell and never died.

[Malakittens]

No you're wrong on everyone.

There's a difference.

[Malakittens]

Just seems like you're hedging on some of your reads leaving a LOT LOT LOT of opportunity to change it.

I'm hunting a lot besides you, but I have a lot of town reads due to it rather than scum reads.

Your FoS on me just seems OMGUS-like.

I'm just shocked on how you haven't moved your vote onto me since it's pretty obvious your vote on Mirari is just idle-like of a vote. (Then you can say the same for mine, but I have a glimpse of support.) I kinda get the feeling you're trying to keep your distance or you really feel 'confident' in your Mirari vote.

Blech league game, byeee

I don't need to hedge to change my reads later. The nature of the game is that stuff happens to cause reads to change.

I happen to like my Mirari vote. I think there's been a lot of easy dismissal of stuff coming from the slot (like, 'Oh, we play IRL with a different group of people and scum-Mirari there acts differently, so this is town-Mirari!') and I have no problem sticking with it. It certainly puts Mirari's tail in a twist, and I want to see what else he comes up with.

Speaking of which:

What's protown? She's 'scum-reading' the person who's voting you? Why the weird phrasing about you liking the wagon on me because she was on it, given that that was an understated characterization seeing as she's pushed it the entire game so far?

I think she's town for opinions during the game. Everything seems off the cuff and the like. The only one that is going to end up with egg on their face for pushing a lynch is you that's for damn sure. Only warning.

No, that's a nice projection of your own opinions though. She's attacking you strongly when she could be appeasing you. You two play with each other a lot, it would be better strategy to kill you silently rather than go for a lynch against you.

I'll give you an analogy... people claiming global warming exists citing their own personal observations of ecology isn't going to hold much weight. When a PhD person in ecology and the like comes in and says global warming exists citing observations, the legitimacy of the claim goes up. Do you disagree?
I know you and mala are in a hydra right now from looking into you that's why I think she can read you accurately. that was around when I noticed mala was on your wagon and I thought "this is more credible". it is also why I think your approach to her is more generally "safe scum". You scumreading her right now looks like the least confrontational path to that conclusion you could have taken after many days of delay.

I love this post

Yeah...I don't. Prior evidence indicates that Mala hardly has a PhD in reading me. Every time she's gone after me hard she's been wrong. She's been suspicious of me when I'm scum, but not in an all-encompassing "this is scum-PA, lynch it with fire" kind of way.

As far as hydraing with someone, sure, it might give you insight into their game, but seeing as we have no completed hydra games, this isn't an argument I can delve into ATM.

Basically, Mirari's post reeks of confirmation-bias. Which I still find interesting given that he didn't comment on Mala at all prior to the PA wagon observation.

I have not forgotten about my vote. Although Mala bugging mollie for a read on her is making me strongly consider Mala-scum.

So I noted this and waited for you to post, tried to engage so I knew you were following along.

Why call this alignment indictive, but when Grim does the same exact thing you say nothing, I litteraly mean nothing out of it?

Just went through GG's iso from before this point, and I don't see anywhere where he asks someone how they're reading him. He asks why they're interacting with them in particular ways, he asks what they think of their own play. Not the same thing. Can you quote what you're talking about?


MattP claiming neighborizer is anti-town as all get-out. If nothing else, he's telling scum that he has a role that isn't worth NKing. With no lynch pressure on him, I'm not seeing any reason to claim like that as town. Besides not feeling like reading through what was already in the thread, MattP, why claim at that time?

Having said that, given the limited number of potential characters, I'm not sure there's any reason not to mass flavor claim now. Possibly in a more typical theme it would be more of a power giveaway, but everyone's a deity here, so. Eliminating scum's ability to switch fakeclaims if they have them is to the good. I can't see the harm. Don't think I've played in a game where flavor's been mass-claimed D1, but we're quickly moving toward that happening anyways.

Then why are you clearly staying clear of my lynch atm. As I said your vote on Mirari isn't doing anything, that wagon isn't getting traction. Your scum list just looks like a mini FoS list and your town list looks like those whom are calling you town (besides a few.)

Mirari/ooba explaining further about their reads tied in with the rlmafia makes a bit more sense. It's meta to them that we have no way of confirming.

That's hilarious. Trying to discredit my read on you because I read you wrong in the past. I actually once said you were scum when you were scum, but failed to pick it up in our first game with Mollie. ^.^ Then I dropped my last scum read on you because you were the only one trying to interact with me ._.

Yeah, I don't see why you even tried to start the mass claim flavor thing.

Anyways, you're still scum.


@Predit:

Wrong. Try again.

[Malakittens]

Because I actually want to work with her, but I need to know her thoughts before I go ahead and try to work with her and she flips out on me.

You need to work with her on what your alignment is?

And even if I bought that, why did you never proceed to work with her?

Because I'm not dealing with the one-way street of trying to work with her again. It didn't work last time and probably wouldn't work this game. I gave effort last time and she ignored or didn't bother trying to see what I was trying to do.

I'm only willing to work with her when she's willing to do it with me. I'm not gonna force it on her. She now has to come to me.

[Malakittens]

._.

Fitz

why

why

You barely even explain why about how I'm scummy, but place a vote that puts me pretty damn close to L-1. With Peng hovering it will only be a matter of time.

[Malakittens]

I forgot he did. Now I'm confused flavor wise because I expected him to be Artemis....

Apollo - Associated with the Sun - Day Neighbourizer
Artemis - Associated with the Moon - Night Neighbourizer
seemed to make flavor-sense and fit.

Hephaestus, 2-shot neighborizer

Nah artemis is guardian of animals, goddess of the hunt, a virgin and goddess of the moon.

[Malakittens]

and goddess of the moon.

...which is what ooba said.

She's more associated with hunting however

[Malakittens]

Please do pray tell what associate tells?

I'm not scum. I'm a shiny pearl of town.

[Malakittens]

Day Neighborizer

So that's why you asked Mala whether she was already neighborized. You assumed Matt also works at day.

The weird thing is that Mala answered "I don't know" as opposed to "no", as if she also knew the neighborizers are supposed to work at day.

You're stretching. I have had a similar like a neighboriZer, but it was a masionizer. They gave me a message that the QT will be given at the start at the following night. I didn't know if I got neighboriZed which is why I answered idk. I couldn't say yes because I didn't recieve a message and I couldn't say no either. So it was really a idk/

There simply can't be two town-neighbourizers. This isn't about outguessing the game moderator. It just makes no sense.

Why?
Why can't there be two of every animal?
I just want to point out that, I'm the "other neighborizer," and I'm the "unanimous townread." So maybe it should add some weight that I'm the one saying this?

My role does not overlap with his. I'm Apollo, a Day Neighborizer. Which, when I think about it, seems a lot more like a scum role, doesn't it?

If you haven't used it yet. I'm gonna ask you to wait before doing it.

Don't knowledge this, but ponder it for a bit, pls.

[Malakittens]

Matt never said if he was a day or night. Whiskers asked me if I was and I replied idk because I didn't know. You're stretching trying to say I knew if it was day or night.

[Malakittens]

That's L-1, so intent to hammer as I won't be claiming without it.

No, Whiskers, I didn't recieve a link.

My lynch

isn't

the way we want to go Day 1. It will probably do more damage than good.

[Malakittens]

Won't be the direction it's going to go if I can avoid it and trust me ill fight it to the living end of ocean and all the way back to land.

[Malakittens]

It's not a fake claim, Wisdom. I'm a huge threat to scum and a huge town power favor.

[Malakittens]

Nope.

Waiting for an intent to hammer. I won't claim one second before it.

[Malakittens]

Really MattP?

No, Peng has been distancing herself.

[Malakittens]

I'm at work. I don't need to keep checking my phone. so I'm claiming now. Part of me doesn't trust Peng at all and now I'm not trusting MattP.

I'm Aphrodite. I'm a delayed QuickTopic Cop. I can tell if someone has a quick topic or not. However my role does inform me of lovers being in the setup also.
With Whiskers/MattP claiming neighborizer this makes my job twice as difficult.

I did crumb it in this post.

I have a decent way of reading pen. The more she doesn't post the more of a chance she's scum. So yes my vote was to bait her into posting (which worked the first time)

It's not the lack of activity that's making me lean scum on her. It's the fact she appeared right after I voted for her that makes me really lean scum on her.

Hmm, it's not what you said before.

I want to see how your 1v1 with Penguin plays out when she gets here. But I don't see you initializing the conversation with her. Apart from that empty vote and a tongue-in-cheek comment that you'll leave that vote there I haven't seen any concrete effort from your side to spur Penguin into action.

Her reply is very similar in timing to this. Please note I voted her and then she responded there to how I did here. It's odd how she only decided to come into this thread after a voted landed on her.

Well, it's kinda hard to initializing conversation when only one half is here. How am I supposed to initialize a conversation with her w/o her being present. Hence why I'm

having

some discussion about her hoping it would lure her into this game. Maybe some help from someone else would be very

helpful

to me right now or

else I have to get my result somewhere else, but I rather not

.

I asked GG about the lover thing because I was hoping I could put him in my semi-confirmed pile, but he didn't want to work with me. I dropped it after a while because I wasn't sure if his no was an answer to me or just a leave me the fuck alone type of no.

[Malakittens]

Distancing from what? She clearly said she supports your lynch.

She's not putting her money where her mouth is. She supports it from a distance, she has her vote chiling on a lynch that isn't getting traction at all.

[Malakittens]

Can't use til n2

[Malakittens]

That fits flavor-wise and whatnot.

Working from the assumption you're town, can you take another look at Mirari--ignoring the crap about whether ooba has IRL meta tells that scum-Mirari would almost certainly be able to avoid replicating here--and give me your read?

Lemme eat dinner and then I will.

Give me like 30ish.

[Malakittens]

Still leaning town on her. The earlier explained town read on Ooba looks good. There was one post that pinged, but it was due to the wording of the post which I didn't notice until I reread the ISO. (I missed it the first time.) Trying to move votes off a town read without chainsawing attacking the person voting the townread felt town-oriented imo.

However there's lack of interaction with some players, but that's probably due to not being caught up all the time. I like how she went after Shos, but the Penguin read looks sorta sheepy.

Idk Peng. I ignored all the meta crap etc, but I'm not really seeing scum in the posts.

[Malakittens]

I'm a huge threat to scum and a huge town power favor.

Between scum...the lovers you mention...and at least 2 neighborizors....that's a shitload of players. What does you telling us someone is in a QT accomplish? Unless someone denies it and you catch them....but then again they might just not want to be outed. So your PR isn't that "huge" IMO.

However...
UNVOTE:
...before I go to bed to increase odds the day doesn't end while I'm asleep. I'd like to hear more thoughts on the QT claim.

If they don't share a QT then they are not scum, but town.

If they share a QT then they are {lovers, scum or some other type of role that shares a QT}

If we get a result of the second then I just need to determine which.

It's sorta actually pretty strong.

[Malakittens]

dunno mala, it seems that just with the claims we have now, it's possible for 3 scums, 4 neighbours, and 2 lovers to have a QT by the time you can use your role. that's sorta useless, especially if scum are becoming neighbours. it can only help further into the game, trying to get conftowns for lylo.

and I won't be surprised, if your claim is true, that scum have a neighbourizer as well.

this sounds kinda fake to me, dunno. it is a smart claim for a scum who knows there are neighbourizers. the delayed part is wierd too, why shouldn't you be able to use N1?

No shit, but if I hit a town player w/o a QT it's obvious that they are town and not mafia.

With Whiskers/MattP being neighborizers and if I can figure out to understand where their shots are going I can decrease that pool on N2.

Which means I just need to dodge the Lovers/Mafia.

It's not fake. The delayed part is because no connections are going to be made by N1 and I'm supposed to wait for "connections" to be made before using it.

That's why the more I see the day-shot neighborizer for Whiskers, I'm meh at it.

[Malakittens]

Well dodge was the wrong ones. Dodge as in decipher between the two.

I haven't slept at all. I couldn't sleep last night. I'm horribly understandable at this point.

[Malakittens]

*sigh*

[Malakittens]

Still a cop none of the less.

Can we please lynch someone else?

[Malakittens]

Also the fact we have 10 freaking days until the deadline.

I'm not scum, I'm town and a cop.

So yeah I'm asking/saying don't lynch me.

._.

[Malakittens]

Either ways here's my reads:

Town:

Mollie
Nacho
Fitz (townread by Arc)
Wisdom

Leaning town:

GG
Ooba
Mirari

Null:

MattP

Leaning Scum:

Whiskers

Scum:

Peng
Desperado
Shos

[Malakittens]

Anything else?

Like wht?

[Malakittens]

I'm just asking if you have anything else to say that you think is useful before I hammer you.

No. I gave my reads etc. There's nothing else I can say other than I want to see a Peng lynch down the line and followed by a Desperado cuz I'm thinking 1 or either are scum. More confident on the former, but wanted to investigate the latter on N2 (if peng didnt get lynched.)

[Malakittens]

Good Luck Town

<3

[Malakittens]

Ftr it's obvious that you know this wasn't a hammer and are trying to fake a "townslip" considering the fitz unvote was a page ago

I knew it wasnt a hamemr but i really have nothing else to say

[Malakittens]

Because I'm town, I'm a cop and none of you are removing yourself from my lynch. Seems like I'm going to be lynched anyways.

So yes

good luck town and please refer 1651 as majority of my reads are possibly correct

[Malakittens]

Nah, your reads are ridiculous

Nope. Watch 2/4 of those scum reads actually flip scum.

If any of my reads are wrong it's prob one from the leaning town reads.

I think all of my town reads are correct

[Malakittens]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mirari

wai

[Malakittens]

Why are whiskers and desp in your scumpile?

More because I'm really unsure on Desp and it's really mainly gut. I just don't like his play at all. He was one of two I was planning on investigating first.

Whiskers; Two things: One, his claim just doens't chive with mine, but Matt's does. Probably wait for connections is related to "lovers", but I feel like Whisker's role doesn't make sense with mine. second its related to myth and It's more of a stupid thing. I really doubt real myth flavor means anything since at one point most god/goddess did something "unkind". but apollo tricked artemis into killing someone because he was jealous. ._.

Also, why is nacho town? Don't you think his Wking of you was weird? Do you disagree with what I've said about him in regards to how he is not pushing people like he should as town?

The WK'ing it's kinda null to me actually. He does it regardless of alignment ebcause he feels like he can read me. That doesnt bother me as much as it does others. Secondly you have a point on not pushing people.

Maybe I can be wrong on Nacho, but who knows.

Wisdom, does your cold feet on Mala mean cold feet on me too?

This is really odd coming from you.

It pings.

Cold feet
And I actually like your claim

Suprising.

be back after league game

Hydra slip

Moar league again

[Malakittens]

@mala
Do you think a neighborizer fits hephaestus more than Apollo?

I barely remember Hephaestus. I have to go look him up.

[Malakittens]

yeah no he doesn't actually.

[Malakittens]

I did crumb it in this post.

I have a decent way of reading pen. The more she doesn't post the more of a chance she's scum. So yes my vote was to bait her into posting (which worked the first time)

It's not the lack of activity that's making me lean scum on her. It's the fact she appeared right after I voted for her that makes me really lean scum on her.

Hmm, it's not what you said before.

I want to see how your 1v1 with Penguin plays out when she gets here. But I don't see you initializing the conversation with her. Apart from that empty vote and a tongue-in-cheek comment that you'll leave that vote there I haven't seen any concrete effort from your side to spur Penguin into action.

Her reply is very similar in timing to this. Please note I voted her and then she responded there to how I did here. It's odd how she only decided to come into this thread after a voted landed on her.

Well, it's kinda hard to initializing conversation when only one half is here. How am I supposed to initialize a conversation with her w/o her being present. Hence why I'm

having

some discussion about her hoping it would lure her into this game. Maybe some help from someone else would be very

helpful

to me right now or

else I have to get my result somewhere else, but I rather not

.

This very, very weak crumb is what makes me sure this is a fakeclaim. Honestly, i think i can dig a better crumb to your role from my own iso.

yeah because I didn't want to make it totally obvious I am a cop because being killed straight away due to a really obvious crumb is REALLY smart. I learned my lesson on crumbing JK/Doc when I first started and died N1/N2.

[Malakittens]

Wisdom, does your cold feet on Mala mean cold feet on me too?

This is really odd coming from you.

It pings.

Why?

Gut. I just really dont like it.

[Malakittens]

Maybe some help from someone else would be very helpful to me right now or else I have to get my result somewhere else, but I rather not.

Mala, what exactly did this mean and how is it a crumb for your role? I don't understand it.

Meaning I would have used my ability on her to get a result if I couldn't get her lynch through.

[Malakittens]

Its basically equal to, help me, or ill help myself. This is crumbing nothing at all. The fact you called this a crumb makes me think you weaved through your own iso in search for any help for your crumb. That is definitely not a planned crumb. See PAs flavor crumb for a real one.

What made you suddenly want to crumb in that post? As town i usually crumb using capitals or something, spelling the role completelybin my first post or something like that. Not in midgame with no reason and hinting that i can get help from not-the-one-ispeak-with source.

I did that in Les Mis because I wanted to draw a NK. So I made it obv, however, here i didnt want to draw a NK so I made it less obv.

Really sick of people critcizing crumbs, Maestro has done it to me numerous times. being a cop you dont want to draw a nk so cop crumbs shoulnt be obv on D1 efore a result

[Malakittens]

Matt are you saying that i am bussing my partner hard in order to convince someone who is already on the wagon.?

You make no sense lately
But its too easy that both of you are scum

If you think im shitting, tell me, what makes YOU think the claim is fake?
Sorry if you answered this before im on phone at work and i dont wanna spend too much time looking for something without ctrl f

Pedit: afyer a mala flip ill rethink about these quotes. If mala flips town, ill be greatly hesitant about lynching matt. This iis not the whole case of curse but it sits hard in my head. If mala flips scum, im autovoting matt for that. Especially if mala flips strong scum.

Howver I'm not scum.

After a Mala flip please drive the wagon that brought me to L-1 into the ground as there's scum on it..

I'm not flipping scum, but if I flip town what does it do to your reads, honestyl answer me this.

[Malakittens]

PSAT? huh? Im at work ><

If mala flips town, i cant blame anyone for being on her wagon, so my reads will not change a lot. However, that means mattscum-claiming-inorderto-save-powerfulscummala is a wrong theory, meaning that his claim needs to be reevaluated.

If mala flips scum i consider nacho strong town. If town, then nachos argyments need to be looked at to see if uts scum WK for ccred or town truly believing what he says.

Other than that, possibly look at GG and des as a much less active person who is on the wagon..but nothing more from the flip id say.

I'm not that scummy. The wagon grew because I was hunting my strongest scum read and not everyone agreed with it. This is litterally only part of the game you're interacting and not doing a baziloon catch up posts.

Mala will flip scum, so.

No, I won't.

Good Luck Town

<3

Ftr it's obvious that you know this wasn't a hammer and are trying to fake a "townslip" considering the fitz unvote was a page ago

I knew it wasnt a hamemr but i really have nothing else to say

Because I'm town, I'm a cop and none of you are removing yourself from my lynch. Seems like I'm going to be lynched anyways.

So yes

good luck town and please refer 1651 as majority of my reads are possibly correct

This looks extremely bad.

Why?

because I'm giving my reads?

Or to word it differently, here is how I am thinking:

-If I don't accept there are two neighborizers, the one lying is Matt.
-If I do accept there are two neighborizers, one of them should be scum -> That one is Matt.
-If Mala flips town and her role is real, it's practically confirmed that one of them is scum since if they were both town they would make her very strong by not neighborizing anyone.
-Therefore, if Mala flips town, Matt being scum is even more likely than if she flips scum.
-The only actual case Matt is town is if Mala is scum lying about her role and both neighborizers are actually town.

Tell me where you disagree.

I don't really agree that there's two neighborizers however I dont like Whiskers due to the day thing over the night. it doesnt make sense at all to be delayed and his actions go through the day.

No, it's not extremely good, it's actually incorrect, but I would love for you to expand on it so much that I can't help but agree with it Grimgroove. Go ahead.

Pedit: Ooooh, you see I disagree at the part where when Mala claims this role the scum would obviously neighborize to make her role harder, because scum would definitely do that.

Them neighborizing would make my job harder because I don't get a # number of QTs a person has or what type of QT a person has. I get a result telling me THAT they have some kind of QT which means some kind of chatting ability. Scum uses QTs which neighbors using their actions cloud my results.

[Malakittens]

I'm at work. I don't need to keep checking my phone. so I'm claiming now. Part of me doesn't trust Peng at all and now I'm not trusting MattP.

I'm Aphrodite. I'm a delayed QuickTopic Cop. I can tell if someone has a quick topic or not. However my role does inform me of

lovers being in the setup also

.
With Whiskers/MattP claiming neighborizer this makes my job twice as difficult.

Isn't it common for lovers to claim they are lovers right away? Why didn't this happen here?
This sounds like a stretch from Mala's side. With the theme, you could half-expect a Cupid-role inhere, but the way she presented this thought seems ingenuine.

I did crumb it in this post.

As states already: terrible crumb.

I asked GG about the lover thing because I was hoping I could put him in my semi-confirmed pile, but he didn't want to work with me.

How would any sort of answer put me in a semi-confirmed pile?
What the hell is a "semi confirmed pile" anyway?

I dropped it after a while because I wasn't sure if his no was an answer to me or just a leave me the fuck alone type of no.

What difference does it make?

Maybe they are already connected, I don't know. All I know is my PM gives a reference TO THEM. They ARE in the game if I'm reading my role PM right, which I believe I am unless I have the fucking IQ of a fish which I do not fucking have.

Lay off about the crumb. I'm a cop I'm not supposed to have to crumb on Day 1 w/o a result. I crumbed because I was frustated that Peng wasn't being lynched and I was giving a crumb for the future when I chose to investigate her and THEN Desperado. That was my list Peng (if she wasnt lynched) then Desperado because I can't read him at all.

I don't know. You kept saying you were immune to neighborizers so I was seeing about Lovers too.

Confirmed to me, but not yet confirmed to the whole thread. Therefore I would work with you in a mini-town block.

Because I wanted an answer. Is it too much to ask?

[Malakittens]

I'm not that scummy. The wagon grew because I was hunting my strongest scum read and not everyone agreed with it.

...really?
That alone makes me wanting to vote you again.
You do not realize you have been ultrascummy and you don't understand why you're being voted?
That's bullshit.

I can't anymore.

I'm going to bed.

the hell with this game

take my information and use it for fucking D2.

Lovers are in this setup. I am a QT cop.

Refer to my damn reads list.

good luck town

[Malakittens]

I'm frustrated as hell.

I hate being mislynched Day 1.

I hate being mislynched as a Pr D1.

It makes me feel like a terrible player.

[Malakittens]

I'm at l-2

[Malakittens]

I just went back and skimmed the pages from Whiskers l-1.(yay for love being a mod)

[Malakittens]

Only if you are yourself will I be able to get an accurate read on you. Trying to be calm and rational isnt much different than trying to be townish as scum in the eyes of others.

(@Matt)

I can't post this way because it has caused serious issues in the past in games both for myself and others. I am trying this way of playing specifically because it lets me get shit done without making the game less fun for others and (I originally thought) myself. And I HAVE been rational and calm in games like Marketplace 2 and that game was great and very productive, so it makes sense I would try it again. My recent games I've only blown up and after a certain point whining, cursing, and AtE don't keep you as a townread anyway and cause a lot of trouble for myself and the people I target with it. I am going to avoid that play this game. Or try to for the majority of it. Simple.

I liked your play in Hito's game btw. If that counts for anything.

@Malakittens:

How the hell would I be confirmed town to you if I told you whether or not I'm immune to Lover-isations?
How would that make us a mini-townblock? Why would I read you as town reciprocally?
You just say there already are lovers in the game, so why would there be further lover-isations for me to be immune against anyway?

!!!!!

......

I don't know what I was thinking. I needed sleep pretty damn bad and I wasn't writing or thinking clearly.

Your role overlaps with mine (I think I might be reading too much into my flavor. If I took the flavor at face value and the delayed part at full value it sounds more like neighborizers and not lovers.) The lover thing I was thinking about probably falls more into the "aphrodite" part of my role as I have to wait for "love" to connect before using my role. (Summarized I think enough without being modkilled.)

Because I believe Wis is town, with you being town to me; there's a block of three. You wouldn't read me as town reciprocally, but I would be more likely to prove myself to you in order to get some type of block forming to better the chances of town winning.

[Malakittens]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mirari

I thought about it and I don't want mala lynched. Grim's role suggests that being neighborized is bad, which means there must be a role that is hindered by it. Mala's role fits.

Interesting again, but I do agree with you on Grim's role.

Well, Matt's could be scum if any of them is.

I disagree. Whisker's claim doesn't overlap with my PM. If any of them are scum neighborizer I want to say Whiskers rather than Matt's.

Why would I have to wait to use a power N2 if someone can neighborizer AND have a QT on N1.

(Only thing I'm thinking is if this proves Whiskers is town. I don't know. This is really in outguess what the mod was thinking type thing.)

I want to lynch mirari or nacho. If anyone disagrees with my points on them, I want to hear why.

I disagree on both really. I don't want Nacho gone that's for sure and for Mirari I'm still leaning town on her.

All town doesntmake sense. THe two are hardly disabled by gg, and they heavily disturb mala, who is really weak either way.mala has to suRvive through two lynches and two nights to even be able to get one single result, which may or may not be useful at all. Investing FOUR town roles in this scheme is waaaaay overwhelmingly wasting.

There is no way thats the situation.
Whiskers is my obvtown. Matt and mala are more likely scum than gg obviously.

I see no reason not to proceed.

It will be useful because if I hit someone with no QT - then obv it means they are town. If I hit someone with a QT it means they have some type of communication as town or they are scum. End of story. That's not really as weak to me.

Grim? Do you disagree with 1775?

I don't. That's why I find it odd you're not voting for MattP.
I refer to your own 1739 for the further elabaration of the neighborizing being bad.

The only reason why I'm not voting MattP right now is because I want answers from Mala first. It's too soon to lynch her, but it's also too soon to derail that wagon completely.

I agree with your argument against Nacho he isn't really pushing anyone. The fact this is not consistent with his meta (based on what I heared about it) adds to the discomfort.

I haven't really taken a look at Mirari like. He didn't really stand out, but we can't all be standing out. Should go over your arguments against him.

Answered your questions, but they aren't at par with what you want most likely.

It's not a fake claim, Wisdom. I'm a huge threat to scum and a huge town power favor.

...

Point of this was?

Mirari might be a little scummy, but as i said in 1784, no way all town. So lynch pool ahoy - mala or matt.

No remove me from the lynch pool.

OK...so I kind of believe Mala's claim.  I think that is perhaps the worst crumb I've ever seen but I believe her nonetheless.  Wisdom's point about GG having a role that affects the ability to form QTs coupled with the unusual nature (IMO) of a QT cop seems reasonable.  If that is a fakeclaim Mala deserves to live a while just for that alone.  Also...I reserve the right to change my mind on Mala at any time

That said...there was a reason I started my catch up post yesterday saying I suspected Mala and Matt.  I gave my reason for suspecting Mala already.  Since no one asked me why I suspected Matt...here 'tis.

When I opened the thread up yesterday I looked at the last page first just to see if anything immediately of interest had happened (or to see if anything had been directed towards me) and I saw that Matt had claimed Neighborizor.  WTF?  I then proceeded to start my catch up.  I will also say at this point I did not realize there had been another neighborizor claim but regardless...I started my catch up with the preconception that Matt was scum (and therefore based on their interations...Mala was too).  The reason I had that preconception was:

I'm Hermes.  I'm a Neighborizor. 

No restriction other than the fact the person I select N1 doesn't join my QT till N2.  I can have as many as I like (@ 1 per night).  Not sure if they get notified N1 that they were neighborized or not.  I assume not. 

Why am I claiming?  Because my role is pretty much a direct counter of Matt's (vice Whisker's version of Neighborizor) and I think it's a pretty useless role anyway.  I absolutely hate the Neighborizor PR.  But when it's in ~direct conflict with another player's claim....maybe it's not so bad.

VOTE: MattP

Why didn't I vote Matt immediately?  Because I wanted to finish my catch up first to see if there was anything else I needed to consider and that's when I saw Whisker's claim and was like...Whah?  I still suspected Mala and someone (shos?) pointed out that if they were both scum..Mala and Matt...a scum neighborizor was probably better to keep around on the chance mala was something stronger.  Her claim changed that for me hence my vote now.

So there you have it.  Discuss.

This overlaps with my PM and makes sense with my delay, but blech. I don't really know why there are so many neighborizers.

I still don't see why everyone is condemming Matt, but not Whiskers.

Alright.
Qt cop.
In a game with lovers, scum, and THREE neighbourizers.

What the hell.

You still sound fake.

It's not a fake claim, Wisdom. I'm a

huge threat to scum and a huge town power favor

.

This was before she claimed QT-cop.
I can't be the only one seeing how this doesn't add up?

havingfitz does confirm MAttP scum though for me.
I had trouble believing there to be two townsided neighborizers, but three really takes the cake. They can't all be town and MattP made the scummiest claim (both flavor and timing-wise).

Yes because I have a verison of a cop role. A cop role is ONE of the strongest roles for town aka why it's a threat to scum and a strong town power.

What do you not understand about it?

Again same question to you as I had for Fitz.

Dont know who to lynch first, lol. It makes no sense to have THREE neighbourizers in any alignment with malas claim, even without the lovers.

CONFIRM VOTE: MALAKITTENS

You're officially tunneling now yet you are calling me out about doing it to Peng.. Hypocritical much?

^ I would think the more potential QTs there are the more likely there is a "QT cop"....no? And if you are wrong about Matt and/or Mala...which would you rather it be?

Mala's claim is even more legit with a third neighborizer, shos. Why do you disagree?

Checking to see if Shos answered either of these.

Why is it more legit? Because it's even more useless than we first thought?

I don't think useless claims are more legit. Definitely not considering the fact Malakittens worked up to her claim by softclaiming a role that's a HUGE threat to scum and a HUGE power for town in 1625.

How is it more "useless"?

[Malakittens]

Which sparked her interest in unnatural ways. I still expect a reply to my 1773. I think it will seal the deal on this "theory" Malakittens was supposedly having. It's nothing more but a thin veil of townish thinking, just like the Actor-thing,b ut there's nothing substantially town behind it. Her answer to that post will uncover that truth.

When I'm a PR (especially a cop) I try to accurately avoid hitting any possible PR's because I don't want to confirm someone as town, give information out and have them be a pr. I'm more PR-orientated for safety when a PR so I pretty much watch for anything and everything.

While Matt's does look the most fake, mainly because of the restriction, I do not understand why he would needlessly add that restriction if he is a scum neighborizer.

No, wait.
I just realized what's going on.
In flavor, the neighborization means making a lover pair with someone - that's why male gods are the neighborizers and that's why being a virgin prevents that.
It makes sense for Hephaestus' "neighborization" to be limited, since he is crippled.
And also, that makes me wonder if the "lovers" that Mala knows exist, are in fact this kind of lovers, and not the "Lover" role.

Mala, what exactly is said about Lovers?

This actually makes sense. I just explained my flavor to Grim with hopefully interchanging words enough where I'm not modkilled for it.

My discovery was so big that the site went down


Yeah so anyway, I have been thinking, and we are definitely not lynching Mala. Consider the following two points;
1) We know there is a virgin who is immune to neighborization. Possibly, there are more roles that can dodge a neighborizing attempt somehow. If that is the case, it would not be that easy to put a lot of players in neighborhoods (especially considering that the neighborizers would have to target different people) - therefore Mala's role is not THAT useless. It might sound useless because of the three neighborizers but maybe it's not that easy to form neighborhoods.
2) Now that we all know about the neighborizing being a negative thing for town, and since the neighborizers are not compulsive, nobody is going to neighborize anyone. That means that Mala will be very useful N2 onwards. That also means that scum will have no choice but to kill her (I guess they could live her alive for WIFOM for one night, but then they won't be able to risk letting her get investigations in).

So all that remains is hearing what exactly is the case with the lovers.

Also, you might find me crazy, but I actually don't find the possibility all three neighborizers are town that unlikely.

More scared scum will keep me alive, possibly RB me and then use me for lynchbait.

the site was down for so loooong dammit!! and I gotta goooo darn ><

in short: vote mala lol

Nope. He didn't, instead goes back to being useless and tunneling.

If there are three town neighborizors in this game I'm going to be sad.

You and Whiskers are town, I'm sure of it.

And Matt was very genuine with how he was trying to make me see my logic was faulty and everything, and so was his frustration when everyone was failing to realize they are not making sense. If someone is scum, it's him, but after that I don't think he is.

I'm still not sold on Whiskers-town.

wisdom, setup spec with only half of the game claimed is fucking stupid

if you're going to make decisions based on that then we need to mass claim

I already disliked the mass flavor claim that Peng tried starting. I don't think mass claim is the best way to go.

[Malakittens]

alright I literally have five minutes on a computer so here we go

*sigh* IU deleted everything cyuz I won't make it and I don't remember all I wanted to say

this setup doesn't make sense

mala's role is fake and was fakeclaimed cuz of the claims she already knew it doedsn't make sense

Seriously why delete it. You had stuff you should have just posted it what you had before needing to go.

you're looking more and more scummier due to this because of complexion reasons ~

....

mala's role is fake and was fakeclaimed cuz of the claims she already knew it doedsn't make sense

Dude I don't want to sound offensive but I might do.
I know you have a brain. Read everything I posted, and there's no way you won't see that her claim makes total sense with the setup.

No, he's just caught scum. There's a difference.

All of the recent claims (Mala, Fitz) make me really question my hypothesis about Matt's role.

Why does Whisker's roleclaim go unnoticed?

I dislike this because MattP wagon has a chance of being a thing and now you're hedging to possibly go on it.

Caught up. I'm not lynching Mala, period. Her reactions make no sense from scum, and no way scum-Mala would keep fake scum-reading me all the way to the gallows. On a less personal level, the role just makes too much sense.

MattP looks worse to me, but I'd like to see where Mirari goes.

Now you're back to saying I'm town.

._.

[Malakittens]

Whiskers - no.
Fitz - possible. Unlikely.
Gg- confirmable role, and if lie then its even worse so no.
Matt - possible.
Mala - possible.

If matt is scum. Then he is probably a nei indeed, cuz he claimed first and its prob not a wild supercorrect guess. Possible.
Fitz - meh.
Mala- makes sense. She claimed 4th after 2 nei and gg, so thats a goos craft for a fakeclaim. She said she crumbed - dat crumb was incredibly bad and forced. Compare to her les mis crumb. AWFUL. She claimed to have an ultrahypersuperextra strong town power, which resultedin super useless, which she knew, supposedly, since the three early claims were already out.

Imo she crafted that claim after she said strong role. She neverimagined that so much shit would be thrown at that claim.

I repeat the crumb scumtell. She said she crumbed in a post that has nothing to do with the claim. thismeans she NEEDED a crumb, so she searched her iso for something that fits and threww it.

Yet you are flat out ignoring my other point.

Why should I obviously crumb a cop role Day 1 until I had the chance to use it and get a result.

That's not good play and don't try and sit here and convince me if you had a cop role in a game you could obviously crumb it without using it first for a result. Just crumbs are an obvious way to get NK'd and as a cop you don't want to be NK'd you want to stay safe from a NK.

My Les crumb was a different story. IF i got NK'd then I became a fucking ghost and had the chance to vote and attempt to put a town in a direction whereas I couldn't do when I was alive. You aren't taking in account of the difference between the two roles.

Why not?

All this is without mentionung her being scummy through the game, btw.
Tunnelon peng with no real reason apart from meta, which really is bullshiyt. Omgus on me, being non decisive. Not even trying to interact with peng. Mala is good town. No fing way she is here.

Yet you're tunneling me because my claim is useless. It's not an OMGUS as you're scummy as hell.

Not even trying to interact with Peng? I have tried interacting with Peng. Even though I have a scum read on her, she asked me to take a step back and reread a player, which I did, how is that NOT interacting with Peng?

Imo she crafted that claim after she said strong role. She neverimagined that so much shit would be thrown at that claim.

I repeat the crumb scumtell. She said she crumbed in a post that has nothing to do with the claim. thismeans she NEEDED a crumb, so she searched her iso for something that fits and threww it.

I agree with this.

But I also think we should keep Malakittens alive for the moment, because I agree with Wisdom's 1814 as well. Malakittens only has two options: either be very useful or be lynched. I'm up for giving her the chance to be useful.

For her to be useful we need to lynch the scummy neighborizer though, because he can ruin the usefulness by neighborizing people against town's will.
And I still stand by my belief there is just no way there are three town neighbourizers.

VOTE: MattP

I'm trying to be useful.

Again someone explain why Whiskers is bleeding town.

shos, you say mala has not interacted with penguin. What do you have to say in mirari's case, who interacted even less with penguin yet is even more confident than mala was?

I have interacted with Peng.

I dunno if i am tunneling too much.
Almost 2am, after the hobbit2. Drunk.

Wgat youre saying is hey guyz lets let mala luve to d3 and see if she...gets lucky? Fakes results? Say mala claims that she investigated me and i hav no qt. So...we lynch her or not? Thats dumb cuz we only get townies at best so nobody will 1v1 her and scum can just kill them one by one or block her maybe. And what if she claims to have been blocked? What if her target dies n2?

No.

You are, but why does it matter if you are?

Yeah you wouldn't be the one I would investigate first, no offense.

Miraru can be scum but i hav much more evidencev mala.

And scum nei will exist because 3 town nei is stupid and useless and in a game consisting of gods id say theres at least one conspiracy lol isnt that how mithiligy works

Yet you're trying to lynch a claimed cop instead of actually having your vote placed on the person who you think is the scummiest of neighborizers.

shos and grim are returning to my scumpile btw, both for failing to be logical and ignoring mirari

why?

Wisdom, scum prob have powaz too to interrupt, kill, block, redirect, millerize, who knows. Youre gambittung.

Btw odds for 3-0 town nei are 12.5%. Odds for 2-1 are 33%


Lol wis you need to drop tha disagree=scum idea thriugh the whole game ppl tell you that

Millerize?.. Is that even a role?

Point stands in my comment prior to this.

[Malakittens]

That takes one slot from scum to town. Instead of 6 antitowns there are 5.

Readmalas iso 0 1 16 21. Its been 2000 posts since and nothing changed if you ever played townmala youd know thar aintit.

Not entirely true.

Alright ya know what* ihave had enough
Im a neighbourizet too

Don't believe you.

You responded to Nacho's comment about something.

So either you are lying here or you were lying there.

Which is it?

[Malakittens]

The only person I'd be willing to move my vote to that is not part of this neighborizing shitfest is mollie.

I'll look at your Mirari-case tomorrow Wisdom. Too tired now. But I don't like the way it started, and I'll tell you right now I'm not expecting much of it.

No Mollie is town.

Well mala is best scumread even regardlessof setup spec iirc. Peng is town, nacho sorta, you town stubborn as donkey, mollie wtf actually, mirari possible scum bu t eill have to reexamine, whiskers obvtownconf, gg buddybuddy town (setup specs confirm}, have i forgot anyon?

I disagree with Peng. I don't get the 'wtf' at Mollie does that means she's null?
Don't get Whiskers.
I agree with Wisdom and the townread on Nacho.
Yes you forgot a lot.
You forgot MattP, Ooba, Fitz, Desperado.

[Malakittens]

I liked your play in Hito's game btw. If that counts for anything.

In War is Hell? O.o

No the hydra game.

Where I was with Mara.

I forgot what your hydra was or even your partner.

Kayne?

[Malakittens]

Mala did you read my mirari case? Tell me where you disagree and stop your "everyone is town". Everyone in {mirari, mollie, nacho, Matt} has good chances of being scum so stop blindly townreading them for silly reasons.
whiskers is town and shos is too most likely.

I'm no longer townreading matt. I think I already said this, actually.

I read it, but I don't really feel comfortable placing my vote there.

[Malakittens]

Also didn't you just call shosnscum like 2 pages ago, now he's town again.

Explain plzkthx wis

[Malakittens]

This page is probably the biggest omgus i have ever seen. She like, took 100 pages, quoted all my posts and called me scum.

Dont skim, mala, READ.

Pedit: no im 20, degree in math and physics, finished at 18, working on M.Sc

I didn't skim? I read every single thing I missed.

I don't get what you're freaking thinking so I called you out on it.

[quote="In post 1937, shos"]IM DRUNK AND IT STILL MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

That's usually how it works.

Again same question to you as I had for Fitz.

What question to me?

'm no longer townreading matt. I think I already said this, actually.

Then why would you have issue with people condemning him? What is he suspected of that Whiskers is getting a pass on?

I still don't see why everyone is condemming Matt, but not Whiskers.

[/quote]

I just don't understand why he's getting a free slide. I'm not town reading Whiskers and so I want to know why others are yet no one wants to give me an answer.

[Malakittens]

Everyone seems to be talking to each other. Then a figure comes through the doors and everyone falls quite.

hi

It was quiet before you came in (well from what I just noticed with timestamps.)

But hello!

[Malakittens]

Everyone seems to be talking to each other. Then a figure comes through the doors and everyone falls quite.

hi

It was quiet before you came in (well from what I just noticed with timestamps.)

But hello!

mind giving me a quick summary. im reading up on everything best i can right now

Eh a lot has happened. Plus I rather have you read the game then post reactions so I can better judge what you're thinking as opposed to giving you a summary. Overall it helps me get a better read of you as a player especially since you seem to be new to the site and I have had a strong town on your slot for majority of the day.

[Malakittens]

Mala is good town.

BAAAHAHAHAAHAA, WHAT!?

Heheheheh. Since when?
Remember that game I posted quotes from where Mala was talking about having dreamed someone was scum?

No offense, but screw you.

That game was over a year ago and plus some.

If you are going to sit here and be bias saying I can't improve over a year or more then there's legit something wrong with you. It was one game and one mistake. If you oversee that and be still want to be judging of my play here based on that then I really don't know what type of player you are in general.

[Malakittens]

ps the answer is yes.

^ Mirari

[Malakittens]

Yours is the onlyyy one who doesn't match up with my role flavor.

I don't get how you can 'connect' with someone in the day, but I need to 'halt' until connections are made.

I only have the information I been asking Elyse. I can't get told if someone has multiple QT's. If you have a QT I get a confirmation that you have one; if you don't I get a neg confirmation.

[Malakittens]

And that's what Mala commented on. I'm not mistaken at all.

No. It wasn't not at all.

[Malakittens]

And that's what Mala commented on. I'm not mistaken at all.

No. It wasn't not at all.

Wanted to see if I could get whiskers to hold off doing it or neighboriZe me. That was prior to Fitz claiming and now I'm not so sure about it.

Gotta go. Luckily I think my real day off is tommorow therefore I can focus on games!

[Malakittens]

I'm actually starting to get cold feet about Peng being scum

So in the meantime

UNVOTE: Peng

[Malakittens]

it's not really dead.. With a 90 page D1...

then again it's all wis fault. he spams

[Malakittens]

Whiskers it's sad. I start being suscipious of you for your claim and now you're doing it to me afterwards.

If you guys want to lynch me for information purposes go for it, if you want to lynch me because you think my claim is useless go for it, but you're going to be essentially lynching a cop. Which is why part of me thinks my wagon after I claimed was scum driven

[Malakittens]

This has gotta be the worst timing for the flu if I have ever seen it.

I gotta global VLA for 3-4 days.

[Malakittens]

Eh not really liking that ika wagon

[Malakittens]

Shos, I'm in 6 games. I been sick for almost a week now, the sites been crashing. I'm behind in games so I'm working my way up to be caught up on all of them.

I'm still sick as I am trying to get rid of a baby fever before work.

[Malakittens]

It's immune to everything, but night kills.

[Malakittens]

Important question: neighbors did you neighborize anyone? (Pretty obv not one of you did to me).

Also Titus no, not fitz

[Malakittens]

Fucking hell, the plan was to either not neighboriZe or do it to me.

[Malakittens]

K good Fitz *pats* you make my life less difficult. That's if Titus isn't lying. So unaccounted for Wisdom.

Titus how much of d1 did you read up too?

[Malakittens]

Who's the second virgin?

[Malakittens]

Who's Sosh?..

[Malakittens]

Also, a couple of things:
Ika is

not

just just a hastily thrown-together alt for Mollie (please understand my suspicion: mollie has about seven alt accounts, though she only signed up like, a month or two ago).

I believe Mollie and Titus and Ika all have a history together, and know each other, from their "previous site" that Ika mentioned. (They're all in another game together, ongoing.)

With this in mind, I am going to go ahead and assume that Titus's skill level and ability is going to be somewhere similar to those other two players. So forgive me, Titus, if I don't put a whole lot of stock in what you say.

You need to lay the fuck off of Mollie. I know the site Mollie is from and Titus is not from there. You don't even know what site Ika is from.

Don't fucking spread any type of lies that Mollie can't even tell you to fuck off right now because she replaced out. Ika and her aren't the same person and do not attempt to soft push she's cheating.

Can we not even attempt to talk about ongoings.

Yeah I don't like you in the least bit. How about we stop trying to put people down. If you don't have anything nice to say don't fucking say it at all.

[Malakittens]

Vote: HavingFitz

I was pretty confident Wisdom was town based on the limited reading I did thus far. Now, I'll vote someone to get the game started again.

Why were you confident he was town and why are you telling us that as you vote Fitz?

MattP claimed Neighborizer, not enabler. I isoed MattP towards that end. We are a neighborizer and targeted Wisdom. I picked the player with the most posts to ensure I'd have a decent conversation tomorrow night and to help fill in any gaps that may exist in my play due to the fact I cannot read Day 1 as it happened.

The role works as I believe Whiskers explained. Pick during night 1, neighbor chat during night 2. No one should have a neighborizer PM from me but I realize that is pretty convinent.

What made you think this is what Whiskers explained?

That scum team also coincides with what I think about the setup... Let me think about this...

Anyway, as I was saying... This is what the setup is:

3 x Neighbourizers
- Apollo
- Haep
- Hermes

3 x Virgins (Cannot be Neighbourzied)
- Artemis
- Athena
- Hestia

1 x QT Cop
- Aphrodite

- Rest (Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hera, Demeter, Ares)

Anyway the entire game seems to be designed on QT shenanigans so Mala being scum is out of the question. What I meant by my previous scum team fitting the setup theory is that I expect one scum to be in the Neighbourizers (fitz), one in the virgins (Grim) and one in the rest (Peng).

why do you think there would be a scum virgin? dunno why it doesn't sit well on me.
and three virgins is hard to believe as well; the gods are definitely not virgins, and we only have one virgin claim, so that's odd.

Scum virgin = Godfather role so there's an elegance to that design.

All three I mentioned are virgins
http://camphalfblood.wikia.com/wiki/Virgin_Goddesses
Actually, we have two virgin claims if you're reading between the lines. (Also the inspiration for the theory)

^P-edit: Additionally, ooba, have you noticed that there are only 12 "big named" gods?
Ya I noticed - Hestia is the other olympian in the game though - Also fits with the theory.

Ooba's D1 setup spec was obviously wrong. Hestia already flipped and it wasn't Virgin.

wasn't a full main virgin like GG's role states, but if he's immune to actions other than Night kills then he's a soft-virgin, at least imo.

[Malakittens]

Got it. Whiskers is a day neighborizer. Odd.

Whiskers, how many shots do you have or are you an unlimited Dayshot neighborizer?

I'm fine with either Fitz or Whiskers getting lynched since I doubt all three neighborizers are town. Whisker's is different but it doesn't make sense to claim something so different to put a target on your back.

Not telling.

Also, where does that leave you? If you really want to lynch among the neighborizers, I'll gladly fight you to the last.

So it's not like you'll answer my question either, eh?

Malakittens, since you're

online

,

You hopped off the Penguin wagon, then made four whole more posts the rest of the day. Despite you being ill and having six games to play, you managed to weigh in

against

an ika lynch. Who would you rather have lynched?

There was something she said that made me lean town, but it was weak, but still had a slight feeling she could be scum, but not enough to warrant a vote on her at the time.

I didn't like an IKA lynch because of Mollie, but I still don't really approve of one. Probably at the time you, Shos or Desperado.

Well considering you are actively watching me my posts between all those games were basically equal. I slept most of my flu off, but i still don't feel 100% and haven't been because I'm still working 30 hour weeks when I have people all the time coughing on me with germs on money. ._.

I wish Wisdom were here so I could rub in his face how wrong he was about the stupid fucking penguin lynch at the end. Only god damn player in this game actually

playing

the game. With him gone, it's going to be a slooow game, lots of active lurking, and there's going to come a point where I just don't give a damn anymore, and will replace out. Because I can't force any of you to play, and I can't convince any of you to lynch lurkers.
I'm calling it now, that's all.

Yeah, I don't/still don't like you very much. Everyone was playing or mostly everyone, but I don't think it's going to slow down, but I don't think we will have another 100 page Day 2.

I wish Wisdom were here so I could rub in his face how wrong he was about the stupid fucking penguin lynch at the end. Only god damn player in this game actually

playing

the game. With him gone, it's going to be a slooow game, lots of active lurking, and there's going to come a point where I just don't give a damn anymore, and will replace out. Because I can't force any of you to play, and I can't convince any of you to lynch lurkers.
I'm calling it now, that's all.

I've generally bought into your shtick but this one sounds fake as balls. There is no reasonable justification for suggesting Wisdom was the

only one

playing, and dropping this kind of woe-is-us bullshit now is nothing more than you covering your tracks for your fade as the game goes on. Prove me wrong.

Failing that, stop whining about imaginary problems and get focused.

Vote: Ika

Desperado, I like this post of yours actually.

[Malakittens]

I'd see someone in the Mafia QT filling Titus in on the plan of 'neighbourize mala or none at all' plan - plus earlier read of MattP=town does nothing to change that read

Regarding the 'Let's lynch neighbours' plan - I think it's a bad idea. Mod's already shown one red herring by dropping a virgin type association and not making Hestia fit the mould - so playing to mod-outguessing of 'one must be scum' might put us in trouble. I'm still wary of fitz but I can see all three of them being town. I'd rather focus on the others segment. [Unless Elyse went the other way and made two neighbourizers scum but I'll say unlikely and pass it on]

2756 sounds extremely harsh from Mala. -> As in harsh to the level where it feels fabricated and not true emotions.

"I am not an alt of mollie. I am anohter being ientirely. i will admit though tit and i are somewhat similar though in level and abaility. i am still wanting to know what you want from knowing where i origonate. i can tell you post game but untill you give me good reasoning i have no intention of doing it for it is irrelivent. i will igve youthis, my home site username and this site usernames are the same." -> another being or not, the spelling mistakes in this post is also faked. This isn't as suspicious as the above one from mala.

Vote: Mala

Well now that was a quick 180.

Hestia with the ascetic modifier however does fit as a soft-push for a virgin. If you can't be targeted by any actions other than the NK you can't have a neighborizer shot go through.

Actually, I been accused of being too emotional, not emotional enough in past games. If you are going to attack a friend of mine who can't be here to defend herself ofc I'm going to step in and attack the post in question. I would do it to anyone who I'm friends with regardless of if they play mafia or not. It's just one of those things that get under my skin.

I should add that Whisker's flipping an information role - 'watcher' makes it more unlikely that Mala is town.

Whiskers didn't flip? That was Wisdom. We already explained and everyone has said it over and over again how my role probably isn't as strong as everyone thinks it is. Why couldn't there be a watcher/QT cop in the same setup. You say don't play 'outguess the mod' with the neighborizers, but do you know indirectly you are doing it right now?

Here....on vacation at the moment (until the 6th) so a bit distracted. Staying caught up for the most part on the reading....easier now with wisdom gone.

Pre-lynch suspicions towards Matt (Titus) and ika still remain. Still mulling over next step...no rush.

If you are still slighty suspicious of Titus (matt) why did you neighborize him N1?

@Malakittens: Are you well, yet?

Not 100%.

Anyway the entire game seems to be designed on QT shenanigans so Mala being scum is out of the question. What I meant by my previous scum team fitting the setup theory is that I expect one scum to be in the Neighbourizers (fitz), one in the virgins (Grim) and one in the rest (Peng).

Backtracking on the above because you think Mala faked emotion is scummy as fuck.

I actually thought the post in question was tame, and if you don't expect Mala to protect her friend from someone dragging her name through the mud then you don't have the necessary experience to determine whether Mala's level of emotion is fake or not.

That's great, except the post she was responding to had no "dragging through the mud". Oh, I mentioned mollie had a bunch of alts? That's the extent of it. It is

odd

that that's the thing I say, that mala takes offense to.

Also, Desperado, Chainsaw Defense.

Yes, yes you did drag Mollie through the mod. You did it fucking twice in the same post. You first soft-accused her of cheating and then you secondly decided that to put her down and try and discredit anything you said because the play of her, Ika and Titus don't match up to the level of playing mafia you expect them to play. Fuck you already did it to me once this game too when responding to Shos.

You have a huge ego and someone needs to fucking flaten it because it's annoying as hell.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Whiskers

[Malakittens]

Whiskers are you goin to ignore my question for the third time in a row?

Did you use your ability n1? If so who?

[Malakittens]

How is asking who Sosh is bad? I didn't know Titus misspelt your name. I thought something else. Good god I don't see how that post by it self makes you want to lynch me. In fact it's stupid. Had Titus went Sohs I would have realized but the spelling was beyond noticeable and thought maybe it was something else.

[Malakittens]

How is asking who Sosh is bad? I didn't know Titus misspelt your name. I thought something else. Good god I don't see how that post by it self makes you want to lynch me. In fact it's stupid. Had Titus went Sohs I would have realized but the spelling was beyond noticeable and thought maybe it was something else.

Someone attacked you because you asked who Sosh was? Little distracted at the moment, but what.

Yes

[Malakittens]

Well first off is scum shot me while being their scumbuddy is really a bitchy move, but I think you meant why wouldn't scum shoot Mala if she is town? First, we don't know what type of powahs scum have. They could have a roleblock that could block me until that said person dies and then kill me. Second, they could be unsure if there's a doc and a kill on me with a protection is a shot they could have used elsewhere. Thirdly, they can be banking on town disbelieving the claim and using me as a free mislynch.

I just wanted one because it would help me to COMMUNICATE to someone so I can actually have help to see what would be the best plan in play to use my ability on. I'm not a robot and I'm not perfect. Having two heads is better than one and it would probably be more accurate then me randomly using my ability.

I don't have a result today. I'm delayed and can't use my role until N2.

Wisdom was more of a town-leader or they could have shot him because his reads might be right. We don't know. When an obv town player is NK it's more WIFOM territory than anything.

Shos - I already explained why I thought there was lovers. My whole role pm is flavored around 'love' I took the lovers at actual value instead of taking it at face value. I'm not going to try and explain where you can just read back to the post i explained and understand it from there.

[Malakittens]

Hmm, hold on. May have been too quick.

I'll put a card on the table too.

I know there is a neighborizer in this game. That's because I'm a "Virgin", making me immune to neighborizations.

Two things that make me wonder:

1. The wiki on neighborizers says they can be of any alignment (though most commonly pro-town)
2. Given my town-status, why would I be "protected" from a neighborization through my modifier if not because the tool is in the hands of a non-town player?

Please discuss.

Huh, I didn't know you were scum!

Grimgroove/shos for possible alternate scummers.

Let me go ahead and answer your question:
You wouldn't be "protected." The fact that you used that word shows that you're trying to twist what's really going on, to put Matt in a bad spot.
Instead, you are "immune" to Neighborization. You can't be Neighborized, no matter how hard we try.

And since I'm in favour of giving town lots of info, let me go ahead and barf onto pile as well;
I am a Neighborizer, also.
Which means that I'm in a good place to judge MattP's claim.
So, MattP. Tell me more about yourself.

There simply can't be two town-neighbourizers. This isn't about outguessing the game moderator. It just makes no sense.

Why?
Why can't there be two of every animal?
I just want to point out that, I'm the "other neighborizer," and I'm the "unanimous townread." So maybe it should add some weight that I'm the one saying this?

My role does not overlap with his. I'm Apollo, a Day Neighborizer. Which, when I think about it, seems a lot more like a scum role, doesn't it?

Day Neighborizer

So that's why you asked Mala whether she was already neighborized. You assumed Matt also works at day.

The weird thing is that Mala answered "I don't know" as opposed to "no", as if she also knew the neighborizers are supposed to work at day.

Exactly. Or, I'm not sure if that's what it is "As if," but it certainly was a weird way to answer it. If you have been Neighborized-- that's fairly straightforward.

wtf?
Mirari did not suspect me, what OMGUS?

Read my actual points on her.

No, no, I mean-- Mirari (from like, three pages ago) disagrees with your reads. He's scum.
Much in the same way mollie was a stupid ass and couldn't answer your question and went, "Whoa, I never said that! Are You scum?!??" and was generally too stupid to understand what was going on. She's scum.

Just, like... people you disagree with become scum. People who agree with you and support you become town.
And you clearly don't use this for all your reads. I'd say it applies to MattP some, but you've also given a bunch of support for why he's scum. So maybe it was seeded from this OMGUS, and thn you built a case. Possibly same for Mala, Idr where that originated from.
And you don't base all of your townreads on it. But things like townreading shos? Who you spent a good chunk of the Day attacking and trying to lynch? There's POE, and there's that reverse OMGUS thing going on.

Just sayin'~

My role does not overlap with his. I'm Apollo, a Day Neighborizer. Which, when I think about it, seems a lot more like a scum role, doesn't it?

Not alignment indicative - flavor wise this is pretty strong - esp. the day\night dual nature.

Also - if possible, I would like the neighbourizers to consider me when neighbourizing. It should be beneficial.

Yeah, maybe. Will you be more talkative if I neighborize you than you have been in the thread? Because if not, it'd really be a waste, wouldn't it?
Also, since I'm a Dayborizer, would it really be useful to you?

Could you please expand on this?

I caught this before fully leaving but it is for a few reasons. I explained it slightly earlier but I wanted to wait until you saw it so I could see your reaction.

When I said you were scumreading Nacho + Wisdom for Nacho's comment saying Wisdom is trying to do this town thing to look town, you made a post that said "Golly no!" or something really disingenuous and moved your vote.

I don't know what you're referring to. I hope you mean "tomorrow" as IRL, not game days.

You claimed and didn't in my opinion try to parse the situation as much as I thought you would have based on your early game play.

I was hoping to disprove matt's claim. I had forgotten I was a Dayborizer by that point.

Your claim itself I feel is more likely scum than the other 2 neighborizer claims.

I agree. Mine stands out a lot and it seems like, since town can already talk during the Day, and scum would really benefit more from doing so privately, it is more of a scum role. Of course, I can't tell you I'm scum. But I do certainly think my role is scummy.

If there are no more neighbors (praying to Olympic godz at this point), your claim seems to have safety built into it from a design perspective. Right now Mala can check to see if people have a QT. If you are scum you will have a QT. You using your power on D1 makes it so that you will have a QT and thus avoid being hit by her cop ability. An activation of a Godfather ability in my opinion.

I haven't used my power. I use my power at night, and I don't get a QT until the next Day.

So, Mala should Cop me, read me Tonight, while I neighborize her. Then she knows I'm town, and we share a DayQT.

Actually. I take that back.

I don't know if everybody's role is like this, but mine says, I neighborize someone, share a quicktopic with them, "located here" and gives a link.
So technically, I already have a QT.
Checking the QT, it says I'm allowed to talk to myself pregame, but can not talk there when night starts.
I probably should have checked the QT before now (I didn't think I needed to; I had nobody I was neighbored with), I could have left them some thoughts or something.

Oh right, so I should point this out, too:
That means I can technically neighbor Night 1, but effectively it doesn't work until Day 2.

This is why Titus.

Whisker's role is different from yours and Fitz. Whisker's role gives day talk instead of night talk to whoever he neighborizes

[Malakittens]

I just wanted one because it would help me to COMMUNICATE to someone so I can actually have help to see what would be the best plan in play to use my ability on. I'm not a robot and I'm not perfect. Having two heads is better than one and it would probably be more accurate then me randomly using my ability.

But, you still wouldn't know if they were town or scum.
:\

Wouldn't that put you at risk of putting your head together with a scumplayer? Who would likely lead you more astray than onto the correct path?

I can sort them out?... I can talk to them so I can figure out if they are scum or town.

Think about it for a minute before asking me questions like this.

[Malakittens]

Gotcha Mala. So if Whiskers says she didn't neighborize, we can logically infer that Whiskers is a limited shot neighborizer or lying.

I still don't really trust her and haven't been trusting of her for a while. So I would think the latter over the former.

[Malakittens]

i'm gonna catch up tomorrow?

new years didnt make me feel better at all ;[

[Malakittens]

Holy shit, didn't notice fitz was gone for so long .
I suppose that explains why he's been avoiding the thread lately!

I totally remember him going VLa in my game, my game randomly lynching him and him flipping SK. He had like 1/2 posts prior to VLA.

[Malakittens]

Lynching a player when on VLA is a dick move and at best no information.

[Malakittens]

Hmm

Malakitens is a cop that CAN be neighborized
Wisdom was a cop that couldn't
Baldeage is a cop that can't

Is that what I am seeing?

So we have two parallel dimensions.

Is ika the only one that hasn't claimed (besides Minari).

Lots of people haven't claimed their roles. Frankly, I rather not have a mass claim yet.

Now we been trying to get people to say they are or aren't a virgin. Some people did it, others did not.

GG/Blad isn't a cop, but if they wanted to work that angle they easily could.

@Blad:

The three neighborizers are {Fitz, Whiskers & Titus}

[Malakittens]

Well, if there was a scum neighborizer, my guess it would be fitz.

I kinda disagree. AA wasn't playing similar to her scum meta. I'd have a hard time totally agreeing here. :\

[Malakittens]

GG doesnt townhunt d1.

You have no evidence of this.
It also seems like GG had a few townreads by the end of the day, so...?

If nopony is going to help me lynch eaglescum then by all means pick your fav neighbourizer and lynch ahoy. Idek or care anymore.

Try fitz on for size.

What was your read on AA before Fitz-pre-claim?

[Malakittens]

VOTE: fitz

I'm just gonna sheep Nacho.

He's a strong townread for me.

Eagle is a town read for me also.

[Malakittens]

Inb4mala-eagle scumteam

Seriously Shos, stop. I'm not flipping scum, get the fuck out of your tunnel

[Malakittens]

I'm deciding to read this game from the beginning with the information I know now and going for straight up gut feels.

[Malakittens]

okay enough with the name calling.

I don't really like coming into the thread and seeing one literally on every page.

[Malakittens]

okay enough with the name calling.

I don't really like coming into the thread and seeing one literally on every page.

Anything game-related you'd like to mention? You know, if you have the time? Once you're
done with all that other important stuff you need to post that's

not

related to the game?

Seriously nothing on the last few pages reads scummy. Shos is being hardheaded, but he's not scum. Eagle is not scum. I don't think Ika is either.

[Malakittens]

hey ika

hey

ika

come to this thread,