Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

shos · Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:05 pm

No matt
Wisdom is right
If town decides to not action and you neighbourize town then the neighbour knows you are scum.

MattP · Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:06 pm

If Mala hasn't claimed then a scum or town neighborizor are EQUALLY negative utility to Mala because both will use their roles willy nilly, in fact scum of the two would be the only ones NOT to use it potentially.
If Mala has claimed then neither the town or scum would use their role because town are protown and scum aren't going to neighborize a townie because the townie will know it was antitown to neighborize them with you in the game, so the scum would be outed

Therefore the two are equal in ALL situations possible. Thanks!

Wisdom · Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:07 pm

In post 1746, Malakittens wrote:I'm not that scummy. The wagon grew because I was hunting my strongest scum read and not everyone agreed with it.

...really?
That alone makes me wanting to vote you again.
You do not realize you have been ultrascummy and you don't understand why you're being voted?
That's bullshit.

MattP · Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:07 pm

In post 1749, Wisdom wrote:Of course it would be a scum claim if they neighborized now that we learned about Mala's claim - but what I am discussing here is the setup in general. It makes sense to have a scum neighborizer who will neighborize someone not because he knows about Mala's role and wants to obscure her results, but for his own gains (i.e. manipulation). That in turn will obscure Mala's results.

So if Mala's role exists, one of the neighborizers is scum for this reason.

So why in the world would there even be a TOWN NEIGHBORIZER? Isn't that a negative utility role? Isn't that just INSANE to even fathom in the setup?

Wisdom · Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:08 pm

In post 1746, Malakittens wrote:I don't really agree that there's two neighborizers however I dont like Whiskers due to the day thing over the night. it doesnt make sense at all to be delayed and his actions go through the day.

It also doesn't make any kind of sense to fakeclaim DAY neighborizer as scum.
It also doesn't make sense for Whiskers to be scum given how obvtown he is.
This is more bullshit.

MattP · Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:09 pm

One negative utility neighborizer is one thing. But TWO? That's really just pushing the limit

And then we throw in a virgin, which is negative utility to the negative utility neighborizers but positive utility to the QT cop. And God forbid there's a Traitor, aka immune to investigations in the game. This whole setup can really just fuck with us I'm sure!

MattP · Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:11 pm

In post 1750, shos wrote:No matt
Wisdom is right
If town decides to not action and you neighbourize town then the neighbour knows you are scum.

I literally cannot argue on your level anymore this game, I'm going to die.

shos · Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:11 pm

Hammer away already. We better have this discussion after the flip, since we all agree to lynch so it doesnt matter -.-

Im outta here for lunch.

Btw i remembered: havingfitz, im from israel

MattP · Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:12 pm

I love Israel, I now hate you significantly less brother.

Wisdom · Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:13 pm

Nvm, Matt is right.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mala

Malakittens · Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:14 pm

In post 1747, Grimgroove wrote:
In post 1632, Malakittens wrote:I'm at work. I don't need to keep checking my phone. so I'm claiming now. Part of me doesn't trust Peng at all and now I'm not trusting MattP.

I'm Aphrodite. I'm a delayed QuickTopic Cop. I can tell if someone has a quick topic or not. However my role does inform me of
lovers being in the setup also
.
With Whiskers/MattP claiming neighborizer this makes my job twice as difficult.
Isn't it common for lovers to claim they are lovers right away? Why didn't this happen here?
This sounds like a stretch from Mala's side. With the theme, you could half-expect a Cupid-role inhere, but the way she presented this thought seems ingenuine.

I did crumb it in this post.
As states already: terrible crumb.

I asked GG about the lover thing because I was hoping I could put him in my semi-confirmed pile, but he didn't want to work with me.
How would any sort of answer put me in a semi-confirmed pile?
What the hell is a "semi confirmed pile" anyway?

I dropped it after a while because I wasn't sure if his no was an answer to me or just a leave me the fuck alone type of no.
What difference does it make?

Maybe they are already connected, I don't know. All I know is my PM gives a reference TO THEM. They ARE in the game if I'm reading my role PM right, which I believe I am unless I have the fucking IQ of a fish which I do not fucking have.

Lay off about the crumb. I'm a cop I'm not supposed to have to crumb on Day 1 w/o a result. I crumbed because I was frustated that Peng wasn't being lynched and I was giving a crumb for the future when I chose to investigate her and THEN Desperado. That was my list Peng (if she wasnt lynched) then Desperado because I can't read him at all.

I don't know. You kept saying you were immune to neighborizers so I was seeing about Lovers too.

Confirmed to me, but not yet confirmed to the whole thread. Therefore I would work with you in a mini-town block.

Because I wanted an answer. Is it too much to ask?

MattP · Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:15 pm

But I'm still scum amirite Wisdom?

Wisdom · Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:15 pm

I'll decide that later. Maybe you aren't.

Grimgroove · Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:16 pm

@Malakittens:

How the hell would I be confirmed town to you if I told you whether or not I'm immune to Lover-isations?
How would that make us a mini-townblock? Why would I read you as town reciprocally?
You just say there already are lovers in the game, so why would there be further lover-isations for me to be immune against anyway?

MattP · Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:17 pm

You know I've been trying DAMN REAL HARD this game NOT to do what I just did. And since maybe for one single moment you have an ounce of clarity, I want you to know that I HATE how you are playing this game and you are making this very damn difficult for me to try to be a calmer and more rational player

Grimgroove · Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:18 pm

Is Malakittens at L-1? Some clarity on that would be most welcome. I don't want to rush this and I don't see the need to do so.

Malakittens · Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:18 pm

In post 1752, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1746, Malakittens wrote:I'm not that scummy. The wagon grew because I was hunting my strongest scum read and not everyone agreed with it.
...really?
That alone makes me wanting to vote you again.
You do not realize you have been ultrascummy and you don't understand why you're being voted?
That's bullshit.

I can't anymore.

I'm going to bed.

the hell with this game

take my information and use it for fucking D2.

Lovers are in this setup. I am a QT cop.

Refer to my damn reads list.

good luck town

Malakittens · Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:19 pm

I'm frustrated as hell.

I hate being mislynched Day 1.

I hate being mislynched as a Pr D1.

It makes me feel like a terrible player.

Grimgroove · Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:20 pm

In post 1763, Grimgroove wrote:@Malakittens:

How the hell would I be confirmed town to you if I told you whether or not I'm immune to Lover-isations?
How would that make us a mini-townblock? Why would I read you as town reciprocally?
You just say there already are lovers in the game, so why would there be further lover-isations for me to be immune against anyway?

!!!!!

Grimgroove · Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:20 pm

And stop responding to non-hammers as if they were hammers.

Malakittens · Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:21 pm

I'm at l-2

Wisdom · Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:21 pm

Only if you are yourself will I be able to get an accurate read on you. Trying to be calm and rational isnt much different than trying to be townish as scum in the eyes of others.

(@Matt)

Malakittens · Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:21 pm

I just went back and skimmed the pages from Whiskers l-1.(yay for love being a mod)

Grimgroove · Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:23 pm

In post 1768, Grimgroove wrote:
In post 1763, Grimgroove wrote:@Malakittens:

How the hell would I be confirmed town to you if I told you whether or not I'm immune to Lover-isations?
How would that make us a mini-townblock? Why would I read you as town reciprocally?
You just say there already are lovers in the game, so why would there be further lover-isations for me to be immune against anyway?

!!!!!

......

MattP · Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:33 pm

In post 1771, Wisdom wrote:Only if you are yourself will I be able to get an accurate read on you. Trying to be calm and rational isnt much different than trying to be townish as scum in the eyes of others.

(@Matt)

I can't post this way because it has caused serious issues in the past in games both for myself and others. I am trying this way of playing specifically because it lets me get shit done without making the game less fun for others and (I originally thought) myself. And I HAVE been rational and calm in games like Marketplace 2 and that game was great and very productive, so it makes sense I would try it again. My recent games I've only blown up and after a certain point whining, cursing, and AtE don't keep you as a townread anyway and cause a lot of trouble for myself and the people I target with it. I am going to avoid that play this game. Or try to for the majority of it. Simple.