Soon.In post 4110, Chara wrote:@Ydrasse - i'd still like your answer re: your read on me, but no rush because my "mildly sick" has progressed to "incredibly sick". hope you're all doing good.
(tonight/tmrw if work doesn't kill me but i am worn otu)
am at work went looking for charas towncase beforehand want to read around this laterIn post 2608, Chara wrote:the lack of scum agenda thing was about Flea, i'm not sure why it's where it is, i edited the post while writing it and i think i deleted part of it because the conclusion i wanted to have in there is essentially: i don't feel good flipping Robert even if it might be necessary, for this day i'd rather flip a player i think has a better shot of being scum, i still think Flea is a possibility for that though i'd say fae sticking to faer guns on the yin/yang thing and mechanics is net +town for faer. i don't love it though.
In post 2592, Chara wrote:i've seen scum Flea recently who pretty much turned around my scumread on faer via what looked like legit hunting. if Flea didn't do that in Royalty i think it's evidence faer scumgame doesn't always look the same. like a lot of players.
In post 2607, Chara wrote:@Nakata - are you caught up?
:<In post 2562, Ydrasse wrote:like genuinely my fun has been sapped away 100% from this wooooo let’s goooooo
i feel like flipping Robert may be a necessity but there are other slots i feel like have a better chance of flipping scum. i don't like "lack of scum agenda" as a reason because i think it excuses a lot of scummy play and ignores the idea of scum playing suboptimally as much as town does.
also re: Robert i also don't really want to think this is an ate scum tactic but my threshold for that is not everyone's threshold. the "coming clean" post seems like something scum Robert would not want to do if he's trying to delay his lim, i think scum Robert expects to flip eventually and removing the one thing making keeping him alive mechanically better just makes me think more that this is a town hopelessness rather than some kind of ploy. i'd rather not think it is without further evidence either.
In post 2608, Chara wrote:the lack of scum agenda thing was about Flea, i'm not sure why it's where it is, i edited the post while writing it and i think i deleted part of it because the conclusion i wanted to have in there is essentially: i don't feel good flipping Robert even if it might be necessary, for this day i'd rather flip a player i think has a better shot of being scum, i still think Flea is a possibility for that though i'd say fae sticking to faer guns on the yin/yang thing and mechanics is net +town for faer. i don't love it though.
In post 2616, Chara wrote:i just do not understand this. if we were going to lim based on Yin confirming someone is a criminal it's going to be Tanner or me. if you're elimmed it's not going to be because Yin said so.In post 2613, Flea The Magician wrote:Now this is a damn good question.
And I will eat the lim if it comes back positive.
you should know you're not scum from your pov, right? if Yin said without a doubt you were a criminal are you then happy to lim yourself, even though that confirmation would mean that being a criminal isn't AI? even if it does have mechanical significance it just does not make sense to me.
In post 2617, Chara wrote:also @Ydrasse i'm sorry you're not having fun. i understand your Robert SR but i don't share it atm. i'm not 100% opposed to the elim because i'm not sure who i want as the alternative yet but i think he's more likely to flip town than not.
In post 2674, Chara wrote:i'm not going to have a lot of time for mafia this week but i'd ask that players try and vote players they think are scum and not players they think they're town because they're frustrated with them.
also my townread on clidd has gotten really stale.
In post 2690, Chara wrote:i would be voting Nakata but i don't want the day to be rushed through.
@Flea - what question would you want me to ask?
pedit: i don't know if it's tmi since Nakata is speaking from the pov of "if i'm scum then why would i do this with town tweet".
In post 2710, Chara wrote:i think if town Nakata could claim something like that and believe it scum Nakata could believe the exact same thing
this is from d2/d3 i believe? (am on phone)In post 2712, Chara wrote:Nakata or Flea today. i don't think they're both scum, but it's possible. my first guess for scum in the not-immediately-obvious players is clidd, i have reasons to tr all of Amy, Tweetie, Tanner, Ydrasse, Pooky more than clidd though the only ones i'm very sure of are Amy and Tweetie atm.
In post 2803, Chara wrote:yeah, i didn't like that post from Flea, considering my read wasn't sudden at all and i've made pretty clear previously why i scumread faer.
i'm still happy to vote Nakata, that hasn't changed and none of the pop-ins since have done anything to improve my impressions of the slot. i just don't want the day to end before i'm ready like yesterday.
In post 2804, Chara wrote:happy is the wrong word, i'm concerned about the Nakata consensus a bit. but i'd trust my individual read on the slot before i looked at the wagon formation.
In post 3036, Chara wrote:not speed-elimming here, i'm throwing out my reads and starting again.
iirc what i didn't like from clidd actually makes me feel a lot better about him now, he was against both Inf's and Nakata's elims in a way that felt more substantial than token at the time. and he was really gung-ho about Robert.
my Ydrasse read was also more based on her doing things and reacting in ways i think scum Ydrasse definitely doesn't, emotionally speaking, and that hasn't changed. but it's still worth looking at her again too to be sure.
off the top of my head Tanner is still very town, especially with the Robert context, but i'm really not okay just eliminating him right away.
In post 3046, Chara wrote:this is why i'm against just eliminating down the townblock. and i'm concerned about you because your scumlist + townreads seem to be exactly the same as before.In post 3033, Morning Tweet wrote:I was originally on Pooky's side and thinking we should keep the more obvious town in, but I suppose if we're going to be surprised by mafia in the town bloc it'd be better to get that out of the way before we get really invested
I feel like there is scum in clidd/Flea/Chara for sure
In post 3219, Chara wrote:i'm never getting sentenced anyway, that's pretty clear, so we need four other townies to be sentenced, and that gives a margin of error of 1 player. if clidd and Flea are both town, that's a problem, and if one is scum and the wrong one is sentenced, there you go. Flea isn't scum unless something went pretty wrong with the scumteam's planning, which is possible but certainly not something to rely on. and clidd also has a good shot of being town, i gave my reasoning to why, and the fact he's behaving the way he is this day phase also doesn't strike me as someone trying to get himself townread.
them both being scum just seems really unlikely to me right now.
i think that’s the conclusion i end up at too instead of *waves hands wildly at my whiteboard*, he was towny and that sort of cred i think is hard to get rid of even with a flip because he’s like... norweeIn post 4248, Tanner wrote:if i had to guess, i *think* norwee got killed because he was never getting yeeted (which means he probably survives to this phase) and he's also pretty good at spewing himself town, despite the position on the infinity wagon?In post 4245, Ydrasse wrote:the clidd being a traditional player is something that i was thinking about too for the norwee nk because that feels like a very baseline “this person pushed out scum; scum kills them because they are town from the push they made” without thinking about the revealed wincon and is like, normal maf
the best way i can describe how i work/recall people is i have mental models of them that i build and at times they’re wrong/incorrect but despite having them i don’t always... realize they’re wrong? so i’m playing the game based off of incorrect assumptions or beliefs that work out. so for you i was like... relying on a certain i guess maybe caricature of you i had in my head that i felt good about and even when i’m presented with facts that challenge how i think about it i generally like... shrug it off as “well whatever i’m doing is probably still fine”In post 4181, Tanner wrote:i'm reading that ydra wall and i'm like
both scum and town on her again
why
this part kind of confuses me - where did you get that vibe about me? or rather, i don't have a feeling myself that i was giving off that vibe in 2175, so i'm curious where is this coming from?In post 4117, Ydrasse wrote:given the way i perceive you in my head would be more nervous/unhappy with being scum. i know that that's something easily fakeable but to me (and this is mean maybe? sorry) i do see you like a hand-wringing woe is me sort of scum player who like, even on an alt doesnt just come out and post something like that at all when you don't have to even acknowledge it imo?
you uh. totally lost me here.In post 4117, Ydrasse wrote:you did lose me for a while in the robert area v satoru area but i just didn't agree at the moment, there were times where i went like "what is he doing" and i wasn't like, 100% sold but i felt good about you still? your actions didn't feel like they added up to something scum wanted to do because you were kind of like, a bit all over the place and the robert thing was going on too and it didn't make sense for you to scream about that compared to other stuff you could have been doing like letting the ircher wagon just go through
this sounded fine until it didn't - do you think you have a good grasp on the tonal differences between scum! and town!me?In post 4117, Ydrasse wrote:because i rely on tonal familiarity a lot when im trying to solve things
In post 3255, Chara wrote:"i can't remember anything you've said this game" is pretty much what i always hear to describe my play. unless something really sticks in i'm not going to be the loudest or the most followed player on anything. i've tried to stick more to my guns on reads but i just don't have it in me to outright shift against what the consensus is because i'm rarely confident enough in the read to risk being wrong and have that be my fault. even with Robert i was pretty sure he was town but i didn't want to wrench the elim away by doubling down because i was worried i'd end up having just hard-defended scum. in this case that ended up being the right call in the end but it was mostly luck that it happened that way. i was pretty happy with my general read accuracy up until day 4. i know you were scum in that game where you played with town me, but i don't think i was exactly making waves in it.
i spent most of day 1 trying to elim Nakata, i think, and i still hold that he was making some kind of effort not to be eliminated, that's what i found scummy about him. i don't know if there's anything particular in what i've done this game that i can point to for why i'm town, except that if i was scum i would absolutely have made some kind of an effort to set myself up for endgame, because i'm pretty sure (by my memory anyway, watch me have missed some obvious thing) my reads this game were pretty "good", even if i didn't push them as hard as i should have.
recently i've had a lot more problems actually getting townread as town, which is funny because my old meta was being awful at scum and then never miselimmed as town.
i've played townhunting setups enough times now, i know i really don't enjoy them very much in spite of my preferred way of forming reads being townhunting, my confidence in townreads always ends up tanking and i get too in my head. i'm not mad at the twist, i probably should have known what i was getting into.
like, i've been wrong about Tweetie before, and she does feel really town here, but then something sounds like exactly like what i'd say if i was scum in the townblock and i think okay, it has to be her, clidd and Flea aren't both scum.
i don't know who else it would be, i think you/Tanner are very town, Pooky is also likely town and i've been confident about that in the past in this game, but i don't know about it now. but i also don't want to just throw my hands up and sheep the consensus because i know i'll regret it if i was actually on to something and yet again discounted it because i got cold feet about being responsible for being wrong.
i know i don'tneedto be townread at all, like Pooky said the game is won if one scum is caught, my worry is the fact that i'm pretty much poe scum for everyone besides Amy.
re: Flea. i also don't think fae makes a lot of sense as scum. but you and Tweetie are also pretty happy to say clidd is, and i don't see scum clidd's angle this game at all, either. if he wanted towncred from the Robert hammer i feel like he capitalizes on it more, and his response to my townread also felt very good to me. if i'm wrong about that and he is scum and i need to stop worrying about it, by all means i'll listen.
In post 3266, Chara wrote:why are you town? why am i scum? my problem is your confidence, it just does not seem real. you said earlier that you didn't think scum set themselves up well enough for endgame, what makes you so sure of that?In post 3257, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm town Chara
I dont ththink I can discount clidd just for not having an angle. He's been towny. I think if he's scum hes here cause he is better at faking townies as scum than the first two that died (or scum believed that at least). I dont necessarily need an obvious scum agenda w the wagons
My belief in Tanner and Ydrasse is too stromggggg
And Flea is looking town tbh. Guess I could be wrong but i just dont get faer play from any PoV other than town who is tunneled on faer theory
pedit: oh hello Tweetie meta
In post 3267, Chara wrote:or clidd is just scum i guess.In post 3264, clidd wrote:Or mt, whatever, both seem town. Tanner too.
In post 3269, Chara wrote:well the apology does throw me. you don't care because you want to get moving or because you're confident?
In post 3270, clidd wrote:If it's between Mt, ydrasse and tanner, it's likely to hit town anyways. So yeah, confident.
In post 3271, Chara wrote:@Tweetie - you mentioned before about your battery draining much faster as scum. i am inclined to believe you on that.
i don't know how to feel about you doing something because you know it's hard to fake. like i see what you're saying re; actively trying to look town, but are you doing it on purpose or does the rapidfire off the cuff read thing come naturally? i don't see how you could do that purposefully.
so i read the case for chara town and i don’t feel it really justifies why chara is town this game? it feels weirdly apologetic/explainy for being hedgeyIn post 3274, Chara wrote:pretty sure i have brought up clidd's Robert hammer already and something really weird for scum clidd to do there. like, his play has not fit the scum agenda and that is kind of important, Tweetie's ignoring that because it doesn't matter to her solving is why i'm so worried about her slot right now.
In post 1859, Hectic wrote:
In post 1975, pj harvey dent wrote:
In post 2050, pj harvey dent wrote:
i know amy’s already said this but the chara/clidd votes do feel like they could have been trying to push satoru over infinityIn post 2094, Hectic wrote:
d2 vcs aren’t that interesting, clidd on robert as well though... i need to read through his iso next because i don’t remember if he was actually pushing robert, also i feel like depending on when his apathy kicked in he could just be going with whatever’s majorityIn post 2644, pj harvey dent wrote:
In post 2644, pj harvey dent wrote:
it feels like... chara and flea are in stasis when i look at these vcsIn post 2881, Hectic wrote:
i explained what i was thinking in the wallposts / what i said this morning so after you read them we can talk?In post 4393, Tanner wrote:what gives you the impression that scum is doing this? i mean, apart from flea doing... flea things.In post 4388, Ydrasse wrote:i'm fine to keep stick around + going through things until you're ready to send me out but
assuming i'm right don't listen to anything anyone says about tanner because i think if i'm rightscum's going to scramble to derail tanner even moreif they can :< so just send him out and don't look back on it
i was thinking about this earlier and this is like my dying testamentdespite my 15 points on himand i don't want to forget this
this is something i also wanted to ask about. i didn't understand your reads i guess? like you said you felt dumb for thinking me/flea were theatre so What Gives
it took me a minute to understand but no i don't think you're stupid. it's me. i'm stupid and bad at communicatingIn post 4407, Tanner wrote:In post 4345, Ydrasse wrote:i also do feel better going out before tanner because if i’m right this handicaps scum!flea from changing up what fae thinks/being able to engage the game from a new perspective and keeps fae locked where they are so theres less time to do damage controlydra, i looked through them, and the first quote is the only one i was able to find that talks about it. i am... not sure i get it. it seems like you're saying that me flipping now is beneficial to scum (so you wanna go first), and then in the second quote it feels like you're saying that scum *doesn't* want me flipped... yell at me if i'm being stupid, but i don't Get It?In post 4388, Ydrasse wrote:assuming i'm right don't listen to anything anyone says about tanner because i think if i'm right scum's going to scramble to derail tanner even more if they can :< so just send him out and don't look back on it
not reallyIn post 4422, Tanner wrote:something about this feels off to me. like, ydra ypu say yourself that flea /could/ be town, don't you think there's any value in potentially seeing what fae does if faer theory is proven wrong early?
i don't think clidd is thinking much past "let's flip towny people" and chara i think is scum so... yes i think this is a bad idea now and i think tomorrow if i am flipped they're going to scramble to do what they can to discredit you because they can't afford a townflip nearly as much despite it being what flea needsIn post 4425, Tanner wrote:and like, i still don't get the "scum's gonna scramble to derail tanner *even more*" part, both clidd and chara are voting me right now?
yes flea is sticking in the game i know this? lolIn post 4426, Chara wrote:but it's not... that at all? Flea is staying in the game regardless of whether you or Tanner go first.In post 4423, Ydrasse wrote:not reallyIn post 4422, Tanner wrote:something about this feels off to me. like, ydra ypu say yourself that flea /could/ be town, don't you think there's any value in potentially seeing what fae does if faer theory is proven wrong early?
it's kind of like saying "well i think this person is super scummy BUT i guess i could give them another day to see if they're towny" imo
i have to go now but i finally get what you're getting at lolIn post 4445, Tanner wrote:yeah, and you're saying that scum is trying to derail me today, but chara is obviously pushing me?In post 4430, Ydrasse wrote:i don't think clidd is thinking much past "let's flip towny people" and chara i think is scum so... yes i think this is a bad idea now and i think tomorrow if i am flipped they're going to scramble to do what they can to discredit you because they can't afford a townflip nearly as much despite it being what flea needsIn post 4425, Tanner wrote:and like, i still don't get the "scum's gonna scramble to derail tanner *even more*" part, both clidd and chara are voting me right now?
am i missing something?In post 4492, Hectic wrote:The next morning, you find Yin has died from ainside his hut.heart attack
A crumpled paper lies inside his hand.
Yin's Origins
Yin was controlled by the scumteam; they had full login access and control over his account. They were required to answer every question that was asked to Yin in a unique and comprehensible fashion, additionally, all questions had to be answered with something that was factually true or false if the question demanded it.
The Nuances of Yin
If a townie ever asks Yin whether he’s controlled by scum/mafia, and 2 mafia have been sentenced, Yin dies and mafia must immediately secretly pick a townie to sentence. If 2 mafia have not been sentenced, mafia must answer this question truthfully, and Yin's eyes turn red.Once 2 mafia have been sentenced, Yin will die on the start of the next day, with his origins being revealed to town.
The first time a townie asks Yin whether he can grant powers or abilities, Yin immediately desperados that townie, essentially making them conftown. Mafia may not ask Yin whether he is controlled by scum/mafia, or whether or not he can grant powers or abilities.
If either 3 town or 3 mafia have been sentenced, Yin malfunctions and dies, and town are informed of his origins.
poggers with meIn post 4524, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:chara is scum we just win if we dont let chara leave dont @me
In post 117, Morning Tweet wrote:Oh, that's interesting. Yin's profile picture changed from what it was before. It was a different anime guy before.
okay so apparently you can't search 'yin' in the search thing for the thread alone which is annoying but i found what i was looking for with thisIn post 119, Morning Tweet wrote:To clarify, different from what it was when the game began earlier today.In post 117, Morning Tweet wrote:Oh, that's interesting. Yin's profile picture changed from what it was before. It was a different anime guy before.
where's the red bullIn post 4544, Flea The Magician wrote:I miss being able to drink 1l vodka and 2l orange juice in a night... those were good days...In post 4540, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:proper drunks have to be town right
In post 4547, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ydra i have no idea what you just typed
acknowledge meIn post 4542, Ydrasse wrote:In post 117, Morning Tweet wrote:Oh, that's interesting. Yin's profile picture changed from what it was before. It was a different anime guy before.okay so apparently you can't search 'yin' in the search thing for the thread alone which is annoying but i found what i was looking for with thisIn post 119, Morning Tweet wrote:To clarify, different from what it was when the game began earlier today.In post 117, Morning Tweet wrote:Oh, that's interesting. Yin's profile picture changed from what it was before. It was a different anime guy before.
reverse image searching for yin's current avatar shows that it's kaito(u) kid/kaito kuroba. he's a character in detective conan and magic kaito per his wiki page, detective conan is a well known series that has both an anime and a manga
so, i'm going to assume that scum didn't build the character and arbitrarily pick an avatar, but had familiarity with the character and chose his persona for yin
Kaitou Kid is a compulsive trickster who is drawn to any challenge just for the sheer thrill of overcoming all hazards in the end. Kid is infamous for having a rather overconfident (close to the point of arrogance) attitude, always preferring to create as big a bang as possible. He loves nothing more than leading the police in wild goose chases, letting them get within a hair's breadth of catching him, before exiting one way or another.
sounds like yin, yeah?
so, going through everyone alive's posts on mafscum:
flea
- no results for conan
- the results for detective are related to the mafia role
- no results for 'case closed' which is the english release's name
- no results for kaitou/kaito
- flea watches both anime + manga looking through fae's posts
- 'lupin' gives nothing either (it's a crossover movie based on wikipedia with conan?)
clidd
- no results for conan
- the results for detective are either mafia/non related to detective conan but used a bit more
- case closed brings a few results but the only time he's ever said it like 'case closed' is here
- no results for kaitou/kaito
- clidd watches anime, unsure about manga
- lupin gives nothing either
chara
- no results for conan
- detective brings back results not related to conan, but not related to mafia roles
- no results for case closed
- several results for kaito, but they're all for another player. kaitou brings back this result talking about kaitou joker. poking around on google some it doesn't look like there's any official crossover/merch/etc that directly links kaitou joker to detective conan/kaito kid except that it does bring back some fan results for crossover between the series in a fandom setting
- lupin gives nothing
ydrasse
- no results for conan
- one result for detective not related to detective conan
- case closed has no results
- no results for kaitou/kaito
- lupin gives nothing
- this is cheating but i also would literally rather die than watch detective conan or read it and i wish i could post the receipts of me freely admitting to this
i could go through the dead scum but off the top of my head i'm almost positive satoru would not have seen/watched it and skimming infinity fast she doesn't seem to know anything about it/mention the series so
ta-da