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Hello ya'll, I was out of town for a couple days and didn't get the chance to tell all my games. To get right into this, I'd like some things cleared up:
How did you consider that plausible when you sleep in your quarters? How did you know that the village inn existed on Night 0?sekinj wrote:
Ok. That's plausible. I was asleep in my quarters.ThAdmiral wrote:you know what - in the spirit of getting some discussion going i will tell you where I was:
I was in the village inn.
This clue does not help the Town at all on Day 1. The Town has no way to know this is true, nor whether you are pro-town because of it.sekinj wrote:First: almost all of us have night powers of some sort, 10 in fact. I am one of the few who has none.
I believe this more than the first "clue" you gave out. If you are town, you are giving out unnecessary information to the scum, especially considering how you have more Knowledge. If you are scum, which is more likely because of the fact that you have this information in the first place, you are giving out this information to get the town off of your back.sekinj wrote:Second: Whoever has a first name starting with the letter B is a pro-town character.
You stated this before you claimed.sekinj wrote:I think some of the information is relevant and some is flavor... What if everyone shared their character's first name? I'm thinking that has to give us some information, and I can't see how the scum would use that against us...
Anyone see anything the scum might use with just our first names? If not, I'll start by sharing mine...
You stated this after you claimed. What I want to know is, what scum-hunting could you have possibly done by getting a pro-town role to reveal their self?sekinj wrote:Second: Whoever has a first name starting with the letter B is a pro-town character.
Vote: sekinj
The information you have given out so far benefits the scum much more than it does the Town. Remember that this is the Baron'sCourt? The title of this game means that it is more likely trouble is coming from inside of the court, meaning someone of power has turned to the dark side. Of course, they would need some sort of motive, which in your case I think it is safe to assume that your character has a lack of power and is wanting to change that. However, my own Knowledge precedes me. Sekinj, if you want your name cleared from my suspicions, I suggest for you to give out more information. The information I would like to know is your first name, nickname and last name. And I think it all the more reason for you to be giving this information out seeing as how you have said the following:
And no one has said otherwise.sekinj wrote:Anyone see anything the scum might use with just our first names? If not, I'll start by sharing mine...I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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My bad, I meant to get to it and it slipped my mind. I am sure you have a nickname because I have one, Nightson had one and most recently Mariyta has admitted to having one. If you did not have a nickname, I assume your answer would have been different went asked about one. Would you mind sharing it all (first, nickname, and last) with us?sekinj wrote:@rage: you didn't answer my question. Why are you so sure I have a nickname?
The only Knowledge we, as a Town, have at our disposal is that someone with the letter B as the first letter of their first name is a pro-town character. But the reason that I do not think this information is correct or was given to a pro-town character is because there is absolutely no way to prove this without the character role-claiming, which would benefit the scum more than the town. Considering how everyone in this game wants to appear pro-town asking a player with the appropriate information (letter B as the first letter of their character's first name) would be futile unless they role-claimed to accompany it and the Town believed it.
Therefore, perhaps it would be best if everyone gave out their nicknames? From what I understand of them, they some-what represent the role the character has. I approve of giving the Town that knowledge, being on the look out for phony nicknames of course, but I would like to hear more discussion about this rather than everyone nickname-claiming now.
@sekinj, does your character's name begin with 'Chancellor ____ "___" ____'?
Could you explain how this would benefitsekinj wrote:Maybe we should share the gender of each of our characters?anyonein this game?I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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You know, MafiaMann has been awfully quick to believe whatever Sekinj has been saying..
Whatever happened to this, MafiaMann? Surely you know that I jumped on the bandwagon, as pressure was decreasing, but you decided to vote for the player that had bad reasoning? Do you have no trouble with my suspicion of Sekinj?MafiaMann wrote:Anyone that keeps there vote on sekinji now after his claim will be a top suspect till more is learned for now the claim seems legit to me and shows how we should not vote sekinji instead maybe look at those who jumped on the sekinji wagon.
Yes, we did get the role, and that the role does nothing, which I doubt. The information he provided seems helpful to the scum more than it does the town, do you wish to dispute this? And, no, we do not know that we will have a lot of stuff going on at night (nor how it is helpful to YOU) because we have no way to know if Sekinj is lying about his information. You immediately took this information as truth, and it seems very off to me.MafiaMann wrote:I feel that sekinjis claim was satisfactory we did get the role and what the role does. He did share information that seems to be legit to this point and if anyone cares to prove it wrong go for it. Also the info he provided does seem helpful. We know that we will have a lot of stuff going on at night andi dont know bout you guys but that definitly is helpful for me.
I would like more information from you, other than using Lynch All Liars, because we have no way to know if you or Sekinj are lying other than your words. What letters do your first, nickname, and last name start with?OhGodMyLife wrote:Trying to get more role information out of me right now is scummy.
@OhGodMyLife, Sekinj knows that if you are telling the truth, he is lying, and vice versa. So, if he has been lying, why would he risk giving out that information? It doesn’t seem like he would knowingly lie and, thus, be proven wrong. I agree, though, that something seems very out of place with his claim. I mean, come on! He’s the Baron’s Right-Hand man, and he has no night action? Not only that, but his Knowledge benefits the Scum much more than it does the Town!
My character is female and I am a male in real life, am I lying?sekinj wrote:Frankly, it will help me tell who is lying.
My vote stands where it is. Feel free to bring out more of your "unique" knowledge that will help us find scum, because, yes, your information has helped me find you scummy.
@Everyone, I think we need to hear more from the players without recent discussion. Specifically thinktank, raverblood and ThAdmiral.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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lol, why would it say Power if you didn't have one? I'm convinced you are hiding something about what your role is capable of doing from the Town.sekinj wrote:My info said, Power: --- and then later in my list of knowledge: 10 players, in total, beside you have night choices.
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Oops, I didn't see this!
If you knew he was lying, which means the information you have received in your Knowledge is correct, you would know that either 1) He REALLY wants you lynched or 2) He is scum. However, if you do not know he is lying, meaning the information you have received in your Knowledge is not correct and you have lied to the Town about it, you wouldn't not know nearly as much.sekinj wrote:It's just hard for me to see why OGML would be lying.
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Okay, on one hand we have a player who has appeared scummy before and claims that he is the only one without a night action. On the other hand, we have a player who claims not to have a night action and that the first player is scum because of it. Now, what I think the town needs to know is if there is any more information out there that has the potential to help decide who is the scummier. I have information regarding what I have asked of the two players, and both wish to not give any more out. But the problem is, the Town has no way of knowing if OhGodMyLife has a night action or not if Sekinj is lynched. But if OhGodMyLife is lynched, I predict that the only information we will receive is some flavour text about where he was when "an angry mob", I assume, scooped him up and hung him, role name and character's name.
So, I guess the questions that remain are, do we think that either way is a strong enough argument? Do we have enough information about both Sekinj and OhGodMyLife to make a decisive lynch?I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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This isn't getting anywhere. We now have information on both Sekinj and OhGodMyLife, so I say we move on.
According to my flavour text, the Moderator is the Baron. Also according to my flavour text, trouble is coming from the Baron's staff. Seeing as how you apparently have no night action but are what I assume the closest role to the Baron, I:seknij wrote:For example, I'm sure the Baron at least would feel like he has to lie to hide his identity.
Unvote: OhGodMyLife
@Mod, requesting prod on raverblood and Singing Librarian
@MafiaMann, please answer the questions I asked you in post #128, Page 6.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Sekinj did not say he had a clue about power, just that he has no power and the way it was written was "Power: ---". I don't believe it, but, hey, that's just a hunch. I just don't see why "---", or anything for that matter, would be written if it didn't exist. It would be better just to leave it out, in my opinion.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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My point was that according to my role'sraverblood wrote:the least suspected on would be the one that the baron trust most or is closest to him.Flavour, the Baron feels that trouble is arising from inside of his court. That is why I don't believe Sekinj's claim, because I think that for "trouble" to make any sense someone of power must be causing a disruption in the court, and the fact that Sekinj has information that I think benefits the Scum to know more than the Town increases my suspicions.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Does most players = Rage and Raverblood?a) According to most players, the information I have given benefits scum more than town
Where has this been said by anyone?b) Most players think giving personal information is scummy
I've been trying to do that to both you and OhGodMyLife but have never been called scummy for trying.c) Fishing for information to back up the clues I have is scummy
Refer to a) and b).[d]) My information is not believed anyway
@OhGodMyLife, I think it is now quite obvious that you have not provided enough information to back up your claim against Sekinj.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Doesn't that only really work for scum and pro-town power roles?Mariyta wrote:Sekinj, I think you're overreacting quite a bit. If you are indeed the chancellor, you should know how important your information will be in the long run, despite what happens right now.Play it smart and stay alive as long as possible.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Save it, Sekinj. That way the Town can use the information later on, when nobody knows what exactly you have. You can't guaranteed that everyone will believe it, though. For example, just because I want you to save whatever information you have, that requires more information to be put to use, does not mean that I will agree with you every time you use your information to prove something is suspicious/wrong.
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OGML, you unvoted Sekinj, and asked him a question where the answer is one he has been giving all along. Then you attack Mariyta with no reasoning or much basis, as you have only said you think she is scum all along, completely moving away from your attack on Sekinj. Methinks it is because you are lying about having no night action and thought you would have enough evidence to convince the town to lynch Sekinj, and are not willing to give any more information about your role because it would be incriminating.
Therefore, I'd like to know all of your name, your role name and your gender before you earn my vote, please. Your attack on Mariyta can come later, as it could just as easily be you bussing a partner than simply stating a suspicion, and I would definitely like to know more about you now.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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I'm back from vacation now.
A lot of people read this thinking my intention was to vote for OhGodMyLife no matter whether the information was given out. Meaning it didn't matter what was said because I would still be voting for him. What I meant to get across by saying this is that I would like to know the information I asked for out of him, and then depending on what was given out I could judge whether or not to put my vote on OhGodMyLife, because I have Knowledge in my role related to what I am asking. Why would I request information from OGML that would be revealed upon his death?Rage wrote:Therefore, I'd like to know all of your name, your role name and your gender before you earn my vote, please.
You OBVIOUSLY have not given the Town enough evidence against Sekinj for a lynch. Plus, you've only focused on the fact that I want more information out of you, which I'm sure would be beneficial to the Town in this deadlock between you and Sekinj, so I'm assuming you have no problem with this:OhGodMyLife wrote:Um... no. I'm not giving you more role information so I can still earn your vote. Good try.
Moving on..Rage wrote:OGML, you unvoted Sekinj, and asked him a question where the answer is one he has been giving all along. Then you attack Mariyta with no reasoning or much basis, as you have only said you think she is scum all along, completely moving away from your attack on Sekinj. Methinks it is because you are lying about having no night action and thought you would have enough evidence to convince the town to lynch Sekinj, and are not willing to give any more information about your role because it would be incriminating.
You misunderstand me, I'm very against mass-claiming on Day 1. I only want OhGodMyLife to give out the information, and although I wouldn't mind more players doing so, too much information would hurt the Town more than it would help, especially because everyone could have Knowledge. It is likelier that nobody knows, so to get a decisive answer for who to lynch, between Sekinj and OhGodMyLife, I have to rely on what information was given to me before. My role's Knowledge.Raverblood wrote:what??? i feel that it is was to early to start claiming. if we all do that the scum will know how is a threat that they need to get rid of first and who can wait.
@Everyone, If I didn't ask for his role-name, do you think the players currently suspicious of me would still as suspicious? He doesn't HAVE to give it out, considering doing so has the possibility to give out the Vanilla Townie role name and in a themed game may not be too smart, but I would still like to know the names that no one else in this game could possibly have, preferably before OGML is lynched.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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lol, Right now methinks his roleappearsas pro-town since he's said a bunch of nothing to back his claims.
I'm sorry, let's look at this from the perspective of the players who have received "enough", as you call it, evidence to lynch Sekinj. We, every player except you and Sekinj, have absolutely no idea what your role could be, beyond having a Cop-like role who investigated you on Night 0, so when you just blatantly state "I have no night actions, lynch Sekinj because he is lying" doesn't mean much at all. I have high doubts of this, but if you are truly pro-town, wouldn't you want a little bit more as evidence? You both can be proven wrong so easily, and although I don't think a deadline lynch is necessary at this point in time, what other option do we really have? Move on and put useless, near-random suspicion on another player, only to come back.. when? No thanks, not only are we are past that stage in the game, I doubt any further information would come up unless you provide it. Besides, you could just as easily have a role that appears as pro-town, isn't, be taking advantage of it by "proving" Sekinj is lying, and get "two" Townies eliminated. There is absolutely no way to prove your argument until post-game discussion.OhGodMyLife wrote:I found you, didn't I?
Now, if you are actually pro-town, I'd like to hear more than just your name, and although my frustration would have been settled with just that, you apparently you would like to wait until you are lynched to give it up. I'd like to know every little, no matter how insignificant you think it is, piece of information your character has been given before you are deadline-lynched. 'Cause if it's given to a pro-town player, how can it NOT benefit the Town? Keeping it a secret for the entire game would be unjust for a pro-town player to do, no? If "no" is your answer, my vote will be on you, and as you should know, it isn't now.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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You're not voting for me for doing the same thing? Albeit, my vote is based a little different because I asked for more information from OhGodMyLife and instead received his vote on me.ThAdmiral wrote:I'm going to vote: mariyta. I know it's basically useless at this point but I believe she was one of the main culrpits fanning the fires of the "binary choice", and then recently turned on ogml when just previously she was interested in hearing more from him.
@Mod, I beg for more time to discuss! I beg, I tell you! We, collectively as a Town, both pro and anti-town alike, have no way to truly know if it is Sekinj who is lying or OhGodMyLife, as not enough evidence/information is at all of our disposals/been released. With the deadline approaching, some of us (namely myself, Mariyta, Sekinj and ThAdmiral) have chosen to "take a shot in the dark" against one of the two sides, but I'm doubting anyone on the bandwagon, including myself, has enough information to make the correct decision. So, I request the removal, or at least an extension, that will allow more time for questions to be answered and thoughtful decisions to be made. Is that not what Day 1 is all about? Is that not what Mafia itself is all about? I beg!I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Um, 'was doing a reread and came upon this:
That would mean that you have a night choice, and it doesn't say anything about you not having one. Care to clear this up, Sekinj?Sekinj wrote:My info said, Power: --- and then later in my list of knowledge: 10 players, in total,beside youhave night choices.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Right off the bat, I want to say that this post is kinda-rushed and kinda-non-sequential because I want to make a bigger post later. I believe there is a LOT of things we have not cleared up from yesterday, and I had a lot of questions to ask OhGodMyLife, so the hammer from Gremwell isn't helping my perception of him(?) as pro-town. Moving on..
I think it's a pretty reliable guess to think that a Squire has no night action. If anyone doesn't know what a Squire is, I think I can cough up a definition somewhere. So, I'd like to say that I'm confident Sekinj will be the lynch for today. I'm not putting my vote on her now because I believe this day will be very useful for discussion about the previous day, and for looking back upon in future days. That said,
FoS: Sekinj
Opinionated Role Speculation:"Cook" is probably similar to a Baker, who has the ability to cause Town to lose after a certain number of days. This would mean that Town has a limited amount of Days to scumhunt, the only other limitation being the night-kill. More speculation, I'm thinking that there is only one scum faction in this game with at least 3 players, seeing as how both Nights have consisted of only one night-kill. 3 players seems the likeliest option for a Night start game with 11, which in this case would mean that this game has essentially 10 players, with the added 'bonus' of one Townie dead. I don't consider it a bonus, I was just trying to be witty. Also, I apologize to Nightson for casting him/her out, but, ya know, you are quite dead.
Why exactly did you vote for me? You said it was because I wanted mass-claiming, which is not true, but now you say it was because I wanted OGML to claim. That is 1 of 10 players alive at the time. I'd hardly consider that mass-claiming.Raverblood wrote:yes i did vote rage however i unvoted when rage did point out that he was against massclaiming from the beginning. i voted rage for trying to get omgl to claim because i felt it was scummy.
Sorry, but I couldn't help laughing at the underlined part. I know it's probably not your intention, but that's how I read it. As for your reasoning behind your hammering vote of OhGodMyLife, you probably should have mentioned that when you were actually doing the vote. Now that other players have said that they were afraid of the deadline, and I'll admit that I didn't like the consequence, scum could easily slide on "I was afraid of the deadline". As for what I believe "could've been done" in that position is properly review the suspicions against all the players in the game, decide upon and state which ones you agree with, and from there decide whether or not you wanted the OhGodMyLife lynch. The outcome of the alignment of the player doesn't matter, seeing as how there was a deadline, and hammering a scum would definitely appear pretty pro-townGremwell wrote: I voted OGML because we were at deadline and approaching a NL, which stated in the rules would result in bad things for the town. What else could I do in that position?As for useful posts I am sorry about that, and you can expect that to change.at first glance.
You know where everyone started, or the fact that players start somewhere, thus implying that they have the ability to move? I don't know about you, but my role can't move where I stay during the night.Sekinj wrote:However, each person began the game in a certain section.
On to Sekinj, I do not believe the insane thing; The WIFOM is too tremendous. As an example, if you know:
yet you say you might be insane, isn't there some major contradiction there?Sekinj wrote:Oh, don't worry, I don't know the sections, just how many there are. I've kept track in my notes and 3 sections have been mentioned so far. There is one more section currently in use, and then a 5th section that will come into play later in the game.
Sekinj wrote:So, I'm wondering if I am insane...Sekinj wrote:Makes me wonder if I'm insane...
Firstly, quote-number-the-third comes makes absolutely no defense. You think you are insane, yet you provide nothing about what exactly you are defending by saying "I'm defending my sanity". You called yourself insane! Secondly, if you have to mention it three times, I'm doubting it's true. Thirdly, that isn'tSekinj wrote:I would like to submit exibit A in defense of my sanity:
ca·pri·cious –adjective
1. subject to, led by, or indicative of caprice or whim; erratic: He's such a capricious boss I never know how he'll react.yournickname.
Anyways, I had a lot of stuff I wanted to clear up, so I made a pre-written version that I wanted to post before, so now I just have to edit it to make sense forthisday. That post shall come soon. To clarify, my top three suspects are currently:- Sekinj
- Gremwell
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I was asking you to reconsider saying Gremwell's vote wasn't hasty, yet saying we were close to a deadline. From what I can tell, his reasoning was:
Basically, that's saying nothing about his vote for OhGodMyLife, and considering the option of a Jester role in the game. His vote is iffy to me, because he realizes the option of a Jester yet hammers, without reason, a Townie. You giving him wiggle room isn't helping.Gremwell wrote:vote ogmlthough I think the jester role would fit well in "the barons court"
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Do you mean literally putting the information in a Quote, or not paraphrasing? And, is this true?Johoohno wrote:[007] Quoting: Don’t quote any PMs from me.
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No. The private message only said that someone bought my vote for today. This has happened before in the game, but not to me.Mariyta wrote:Typically, when someone "buys" your vote, it means you become corrupt. Do you (or anyone else) have any more information on this?
@Sekinj, how do you feel about Mass Claim? I'm not saying whether I believe this is true or not, but according to your information everyone has a night choice but you. Do you think a Mass Claim in this circumstance would be beneficial to the Town?SingingLibrarian wrote:I don't have a vote today. Someone stole it during the night somehow. I don't know whether it's a scum power or a town power, but it's definitely out there, hence part of my decision to believe sekinj, knowing that there are some unusual things going on by night. It's also something we need to be aware of (being forewarned of this surely helps town more than scum), as every day there's likely to be someone who has not got control over their own vote, which will make lynches that much harder.
Also, do you have anything to say about this:Rage wrote:I was asking you to reconsider saying Gremwell's vote wasn't hasty, yet saying we were close to a deadline. From what I can tell, his reasoning was:
Basically, that's saying nothing about his vote for OhGodMyLife, and considering the option of a Jester role in the game. His vote is iffy to me, because he realizes the option of a Jester yet hammers, without reason, a Townie. You giving him wiggle room isn't helping.Gremwell wrote:vote ogmlthough I think the jester role would fit well in "the barons court"I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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You know, that actually isn't a bad idea. And that could be one way to "test your sanity", because you have said that you know how many of each gender there are in the game. Unless someone objects, that might be a way to clear some things up. I mean, the only thing that comes to mind is proving how reliable Sekinj's information is, but you never know what could be Knowledge-related.Sekinj wrote:I wouldn't mind gather OTHER info though... maybe sex, first names, nicknames, sections... Not all of that, and certainly not all at once, but I wouldn't mind knowing a bit more about people... and I'd really love it if the scum would just raise their hand too...
(my favorite is sex )
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I fail to see how gender information could protect scum. This proposition is based on whether or not Sekinj tells the truth, and he can't really not do that unless one of his potential scum members answers the question last. Maybe we should make a randomized list of players to answer the question in a certain order?I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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MafiaMann wrote:Im against this i think sekinj is insane but why give the scum a chance to make us think she sane if shes not that could really mess us up to. I think we can win this game with or without sekinjs hints.
What changed your mind, MafiaMann?MafiaMann wrote:Im male in game and rlI'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Oh it is definitely descriptive of my character, but that is not the same as how I am allowed to play the game. It's also very relative to my role-name, but I wouldn't mind giving it away. I also don’t mind claiming right here and now, but that’s not usually how things are done.Sekinj wrote:Your nickname is in no way descriptive of your character?
Are you proposing that role names have no significance in this game? That they are a representation of nicknames, not the other way around?Sekinj wrote:However, the names of the roles, like chancellor or squire, cannot in themselves indicate a night choice or not. Each of us has a different role name, there arn't just 3 townies and 2 scum. These are not your regular roles, people. Look at the trouble we had with BeastMaster. How does anyone know for sure the beastnaster character had a night action?? Maybe we have a Butler role, but what night action would that character have? my point is, we cannot speculate about the night choices with only the role name to go on. The role name in itself gives us next to no information, while the nickname is significant.
Mariyta, you mentioned something may be missing, and I think whatever it is, it's on purpose. When a player dies only their name and role-name are given, nothing indicating night choice. This has happened three times, three different players. Therefore, we can only trust someone's word, which is null unless their role has been confirmed, and we haven't achieved this with OhGodMyLife, nor have we with Sekinj, nor anyone yet. I'm think I'm at a pretty solid part of the game right now that I am capable of confirming my role to the Town, which is why I'm fine with giving out any necessary information. I'll prove that my nickname gives me no limitations, and no restrictions, as Sekinj is implying OhGodMyLife had against him.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Oh, I see a lot was posted before I made my latest post, so I'll read through that and answer it later. But I'll be having limited access to a computer today and tomorrow, and should be able to get online very late in the day, which is no biggie.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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But I was the only one who asked for it..MafiaMann wrote:
Ive explained my flip flop im not gonna withhold info from the town i they want it.Singing Librarian wrote:My nickname makes sense, but does not affect my actual play in any way. I suppose it's possible that OGML's reflected some part of his role as squires are not generally known for their capriciousness - or are they? I'm not overly convinced, though.
My vague suspicion of thinktank is increasing due to refusal to reveal gender - how could it possibly do any harm? Also, is it me or was mafiamann's flip-flop on that issue rather alarming? I suppose at least thinktank is sticking to his/her guns on the issue rather than drifting with the wind.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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We are quite the active players, aren't we? Well, I always have something to say, so I might as well recount some events.
To recap, Sekinj claims to be the only player who has no night action/choice. OhGodMyLife counterclaims, saying he has no night action. OhGodMyLife is lynched and flips Town, name and role revealed. Sekinj claims that OhGodMyLife must have had to counterclaim him because his nickname is/was 'Capricious'.
@Sekinj, is that the only reason why the Town should not lynch you right now? It seems to me that the only thing keeping you alive right now is WIFOM, thatyoupresented, and now you have moved past this and are attacking thinktank.
And regarding the recent troubles between Sekinj and Thinktank:
Sekinj wrote:Thinktank never answered or even commented on Mar’s point about him flip-flopping. IMO that has beent he biggest scum-tell yet in this game. I’d like to see him explain himself now.
I'd also like to hear what Thinktank has to say regarding Mariyta's post (below):Mariyta wrote:thinktank wrote:
I like this. One of them doesn't necessarily have to be scum, they could both be somewhere in between. I still need to hear from OMGL though..MafiaMann wrote:I see a few possibilities besides OMGL is lieing or sekinj is lieing...
A) Which is it? B) Do you still feel the same?thinktank, a few pages later wrote:We know definitely that one of them is lying. Figuring out which one is lying is a herculean feat in itself because it seems that even they do not know which one of them is lying. Meaning either one or both of them are scum or some of the information that they've been given is false, which is also bad for the town.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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I'm starting to think this way too. Mariyta, all you say about someone's arguments against you if you happen to be suspicious of them at the time is "OMGUS much?" That doesn't disprove their reasoning, nor help either side of the argument. You just dismiss the argument and focus onsekinj wrote:
You claim everything is OMGUS. I'm going to ignore it whenever you say that from now on.Mariyta wrote:Gremwell: OMGUS much?
You know, I could totally understand intense amounts of pressure on an informative role, especially this early in the game, but the problem is that the information you have given the Town just doesn't make any sense. As far as I know, knowing the gender of each player doesn't really help, and so far has proved your sanity. You gave out the following information on Day 1:sekinj wrote:Well, since I know my PM i think the town should not lynch because I am town. I realize that not everyone else has that insider knowledge. However, the scum out there are frothing at the mouth trying to get me lynching since they know that BOTH me and OGML are town. I really don't know what other evidence I can really present. At some point you just have to take the leap that my claim and OGML's count was not a black and white scum v town issue. Now, if it takes my lynch to prove that, then okay, but if we have two mislynches ina row AND have to continue without my info, I don't think the town can win.
1) The first was counterclaimed by our dead Squire, OhGodMyLife. The second is iffy, since it has the possibility to confirm both scum and town. You see, on one hand, you present this information and scum claims a fake first name starting with B. They bring up this information, and suspicions against them die down. On the other hand, a Town member could just as easily do the same, so ultimately, it comes down to whether or not we believe the role they claim alongside it, and whatever other information they give out about their character. All in all, releasing this information is not a pro-town move.sekinj wrote:I got a whole list clues, but I can't play all my cards at once, or we could find scum.
I'll share two things for now:
First: almost all of us have night powers of some sort, 10 in fact. I am one of the few who has none.
Second: Whoever has a first name starting with the letter B is a pro-town character.
2) You played some cards yesterday, so now, today, if there is any information that you think would benefit Town more than Scum to know, would you be so kind as to release it? Don't be surprised if I am suspicious of the information, though.
She says she isn't insane.thinktank wrote:It is far more likely that either Sekinj is scum or she is insane.
And OhGodMyLife's nickname may prove to you, Sekinj, that he was irrational, but I've said that my nickname doesn't designate what I can do to players, like you are implying with OhGodMyLife. It describes my character, which all nicknames should, but my nickname does not give me any sort of restriction, nor induces tunnel-vision. You've said that OhGodMyLife counterclaimed you because he had to, but I don't believe you. If he was forced to counterclaim, he probably would not have given up in the end:sekinj wrote:It is very important for everyone to note: I do not believe I am insane anymore. OGML's nickname proved to me that he was the one who was being irrational.
Therefore, I'm under the impression that you are a panicking scum. That's why you earned my vote.OhGodMyLife wrote:Unvote
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I forgot to finish the first paragraph. Fixed now.Rage wrote:
I'm starting to think this way too. Mariyta, all you say about someone's arguments against you if you happen to be suspicious of them at the time is "OMGUS much?" That doesn't disprove their reasoning, nor help either side of the argument. You just dismiss the argument and focus on more important events, like now how you have proved Sekinj's defense as craplogic, and before, on Day 1, how you encouraged information out of both Sekinj and OhGodMyLife but earlier used "OMGUS much" against Sekinj, who asked you to give out information.sekinj wrote:
You claim everything is OMGUS. I'm going to ignore it whenever you say that from now on.Mariyta wrote:Gremwell: OMGUS much?I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Everyone does. Suck it up!sekinj wrote:
^ Understandable... But I never panic... so I can't be scum...Rage wrote:Therefore, I'm under the impression that you are a panicking scum. That's why you earned my vote.
That isn't hypocritical. Of course, that is if I am allowed to interpret the information and not just hang on your every word, right?and I find it hypocritcal that you tell me to give more info, and then say the info I give isn't pro-town.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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I've said that the information you released before is more scummy than pro-town, yes, but I have not said that all your information is, because I don't know it. Once again, not hypocritical.
If anything, I'm encouraging the chance for you to keep yourself alive. All this time, you haven't said a thing that gives me the impression you deserve to live/continue playing; you're on your way to nitpicking at what I'm saying to turn it into a reason why you don't have to give out information. And that is not a pro-town action in my eyes.
It's not up to me whether you live or die, but it is up to me whether or not I pressure you and try my best to convince the rest of the Town to lynch you. If you give out information that is beneficial for the Town to know, I will not pressure you. If you give out information that is not beneficial to the Town, like your previous information has been, I will. Of course, you could always choose not to give out information and continue your suspicions on Thinktank if you think that is the most pro-town action you can do, but to me that would prove you have no Pro-Town information to give out. In other words, that would mean you are scum. Prove me wrong.sekinj wrote:So you WANT to keep me alive? if you want to keep me alive, why are you voting me?
That's not what I'm saying at all. Allow me:sekinj wrote:giving info is not pro-town
-->sekinj gives out information to prove role
-->OhGodMyLife counterclaims information, and Rage says information benefits Scum more than Town to know
-->OhGodMyLife is lynched, flips Town
-->Next Day, Sekinj presents WIFOM about OhGodMyLife's role; how it could mean that he was forced to counterclaim Sekinj's information
-->Rage votes Sekinj, saying his nickname does not designate what he can do to a player
-->Rage asks Sekinj to present more information to prove his innocence
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There's a simple solution for that, Mariyta. Reread.
I was trying to come up with a way to prove that Sekinj's information is sane, and as such, I can pretty much tell that neither OhGodMyLife or Sekinj misinterpreted their information. They made that clear a bunch of times, but I found it suspicious that OhGodMyLife would unvote only to ask Sekinj once more if her information was correct. Now that he's flipped Town, I don't understand why Sekinj has said that his nickname implied he had to counterclaim her. As I've said a couple times before, my nickname does not imply what I can do to a player.raverblood wrote:
i dont see how not telling a gender role is scummy. i dont see how it hurts or helps town.. i gave mine just to give info. i feel not telling is a scum tell. now if every started giving out more info and one feels to hides it then yeah ok. but gender does nothing... unless someone has a list on how many scum are male or femalesekinj wrote:I started a pbpa of mafiamann last week, but abandoned it because looking at him in isolation I didn't find as many scummy things as I thought I would. I agree that he is suspicious, but I like the case on thinktank. I don't think his flip-flopping can be marked up to 'flipancy' as he claims. I don't think MM deciding to claim gender along with the rest fo the town is as strong. in fact another scummy thing I think think did was to NOT claim gender alogn with the rest of the town.
And, by the way, if we need something to discuss, I'd be more than happy to claim my role, name and nickname.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!-
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Woah, woah, I don't want everyone to claim their nicknames unless we reach a consensus to. I just said thatI'dbe more than happy to claim, as the Town doesn't have anything to lose by knowing it.
Anyways, this is my last post until Tuesday, or late Monday.I'm a rageaholic! I just can't live without rageahol!