Mini 634 - The Baron's court: Game over

[Mariyta]

Ensorcel Sekinji

Dont ask

Mafiamann comes across as scummy, but I can't think of a role involved in enchanting that would hurt the town, especially since you're still alive and well and seem to be able to participate just fine. I have a few ideas what the role might entail, but I understand Mafia's concern, and I'm not going to reveal them as of yet.

Vote count

(8 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(1) MafiaMann – Singing Librarian
(1) sekinj – Rage
(1) thinktank – sekinj

Not voting:

Gremwell, MafiaMann, Mariyta, raverblood, thinktank

Deadline:

Thursday 4 September 2:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Gremwell]

Dispel Sekinji

[Gremwell]

I'll explain later

[MafiaMann]

Dispel Sekinji

is this sarcasm or real.

[Gremwell]

It's not sarcasm and not real, don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't believe your claim, I was just looking at this with a healthy dose of skepticism. It would be easy to claim some sort of power like that, that can't be proven.

What I'm most curious about is why you must declare it in thread rather then as a night choice, I don't expect an answer, and am not looking for a claim, just something that was bugging me.

[Mariyta]

Vote Gremwell

I'm still comfortable with this. He doesn't really participate much, and this last bit just seems like a lame attempt to seem town without stirring the pot much.

[Gremwell]

I fail to see what makes your actions town and my actions an attempt to seem town. There is nothing making me any more scummy than you. You've been all over the place, and dropping votes with little or no case on the person. IIRC quite a few people were ready to let you swing D1, the only thing that stopped them was the few pushing the binary lynch on OGML.

[Mariyta]

I fail to see what makes your actions town and my actions an attempt to seem town. There is nothing making me any more scummy than you. You've been all over the place, and dropping votes with little or no case on the person. IIRC quite a few people were ready to let you swing D1, the only thing that stopped them was the few pushing the binary lynch on OGML.

Then why don't you actually do something and post a case on me?

[sekinj]

@grem: I'd like to see you post a case on someone anyway

[Gremwell]

@grem: I'd like to see you post a case on someone anyway

so what does this mean? we'll all take a break as the deadline nears and put one player on the spot?

I haven't posted a case on anyone because I haven't seen enough evidence on any one to justify a vote at this point.

One question I'd like everyone on the OGML lynch to answer is why you voted for him? Specifically those who were first few on the wagon,

My reason for voting was to keep us from going to a no lynch, which, had this been a normal game I would have preferred, because looking back, he was not the best choice. I posted my vote quickly and with little support because I was worried about being locked out of the thread, by the two posts before mine.

[sekinj]

@grem: whine, whine, whine. Yeah, I just got lazy, and after my 125th post I just decided that OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD PARTICIPATE TOO. wow, how silly of me.

@all: I'd like to see a case against someone for everyone! a lot of people have promised to go back and look at MM, well, let's see see what you've come up with!

just to put things in perspective here is the current post count from everyone:

Sing – 16
raver – 22
Think - 31
Grem – 33
MM – 39
Rage – 59
Mar – 63
sekinj – 127

[Gremwell]

for the record quantity of posts =/= quality posting

[Mariyta]

for the record quantity of posts =/= quality posting

You have neither, so I guess you don't need to worry. Where's the case on me? I'm waiting to be ripped to shreds.

[sekinj]

for the record quantity of posts =/= quality posting

You have neither, so I guess you don't need to worry. Where's the case on me? I'm waiting to be ripped to shreds.

qft

[Gremwell]

Yes, lets get into personal shots, I believe the game is supposed to be about scum hunting and building cases on others, rather than asking them to build a case on you.

Since you will no doubt respond some where along the lines of "lets see some more of that from you" I'll save us all the time and post what apparently passes for worthwhile participation with you.

@Mariytia: you're the one with a vote on me so I'd like to see the case actually spelled out rather than alluded to, burden of proof is on the prosecution.

[Gremwell]

for the record quantity of posts =/= quality posting

You have neither, so I guess you don't need to worry. Where's the case on me? I'm waiting to be ripped to shreds.

qft

And then you wonder why you have double everyone else's posts, but what does this say? absolutely nothing. How does it help the town or even really relate to the game? It dosen't.

[sekinj]

for the record quantity of posts =/= quality posting

You have neither, so I guess you don't need to worry. Where's the case on me? I'm waiting to be ripped to shreds.

qft

And then you wonder why you have double everyone else's posts, but what does this say? absolutely nothing. How does it help the town or even really relate to the game? It dosen't.

Oh My Goodness. Please whine some more. I will go ahead and do mar the favor of saying OMGUS, much? You are attacking my post content because I am asking you to particpate and post a case on someone?

[Rage]

Returned and catching up now. I should be back to my usual activity by tomorrow morning, and I want to answer this before I go to bed.

@grem: I'd like to see you post a case on someone anyway

so what does this mean? we'll all take a break as the deadline nears and put one player on the spot?

..duh. No one, myself included, has presented much of a case on anyone else, so we pressure one player. It just so happens to be you.

I haven't posted a case on anyone because I haven't seen enough evidence on any one to justify a vote at this point.

You need a vote to pressure someone?

One question I'd like everyone on the OGML lynch to answer is why you voted for him?

At first I wanted more reasoning behind his counterclaim of Sekinj, but even after other players expressed their interests in hearing more information too, he argued against it. Then, seeing little to no way that either Sekinj of OhGodMyLife would give up information, seeing as how both made sure that they didn't misinterpret their roles and the information given to them, I decided to continue against OhGodMyLife, because it just seemed, and seems, very obvious to me that in a game of mafia whoever has the bulk of information will become very suspicious, or at least have to really prove their worth. Such as a scum fakeclaiming a Cop, if they are proven wrong, they lose. I can totally understand a pro-town informative role being looked at oddly, because it is so easy to lie in mafia, but seeing OhGodMyLife turn up Town is making me reconsider my view of Sekinj.

And then, when we started to move past our desperate search for information, OhGodMyLife backed off of Sekinj and asked the question, which goes something like, "Is there any way you could have misinterpreted your information?", and I honestly did not believe a word OhGodMyLife was saying after that. That's why I pushed for a nameclaim, something that I myself could prove and turn the tide of the battle between Sekinj and OGML, but he protested revealing even that, his own name, and when I pushed on the fact that if he were to be lynched he would give it up anyways, he turned his vote to me and continued to dismiss every argument I had against him away. As you can probably tell, I didn't like that, because no only did it seem scummy to be voting for a player advocating more information for the Town to decide upon a lynch, but it also seemed odd that after so much pressure on him and that he had started against Sekinj, he would give up his counterclaim and ask once again if Sekinj had misinterpreted her information, which she has not.

Oh, and now my case against Sekinj is that it is scummy to me that she would bring up the possibility of her being insane, and then agreeing with Mariyta, which

looks

to me like scum buddying with a townie, for pressure against thinktank, because right after a Town-flip/mislynch who had counterclaimed her it seems scummy for Sekinj to be deflecting attention to thinktank, who I think is not the one the Town should pressure as we approach a deadline, which we have had a bit of trouble with in the past.

Also, I want to say this again, that I really want to claim. Voice your opinion, damnit!

[Rage]

Oh, wow, a lot of crossposting. Well, more for me to read tomorrow.

Now, sleep!

[Mariyta]

Yes, lets get into personal shots, I believe the game is supposed to be about scum hunting and building cases on others, rather than asking them to build a case on you.

Since you will no doubt respond some where along the lines of "lets see some more of that from you" I'll save us all the time and post what apparently passes for worthwhile participation with you.

@Mariytia: you're the one with a vote on me so I'd like to see the case actually spelled out rather than alluded to, burden of proof is on the prosecution.

I've already posted my case, at least twice. Please post yours.

[Mariyta]

Beuller? Beuller?

[Rage]

Fairus Wheel or

Ferris

Wheel?

What do you think of me claiming, Mariyta?

.. or anyone, seeing as how we've all gone mysteriously quiet.

[sekinj]

@rage: by the way, I didn't bring up the possibility of me being insane. someone else brought it up on Day 1 and then again I was asked about it on Day 2. I at first agreed that it might be a possibility, but then discarded it.

[Gremwell]

I'll not be posting a case on you, because I do not have one, which I have said at least once already.

The reason I put on my list of suspicion is firstly because your quick flip onto OGML and being one of the first on his wagon. And secondly it seemed you were becoming increasingly defensive with little or no reason.

However looking back on post in isolation I decided I don't have enough to justify a vote so I have withheld my vote accordingly.

[Mariyta]

Rage, I don't think you should claim unless a) you're under suspicion, b) we do a mass claim.

We have a deadline in two days. My vote is staying where it is unless I get a pretty damn good reason to move it.

Gremwell, who would you vote right now and why? "I don't know" or "There's not enough evidence against anyone" are not valid answers.

Same question to everyone else. We need to make a decision, and soon.