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@Charter, Why the WIFOM? It's scummy to put someone at L-2(which is claim zone) for no reason, so why did you do knowing that it would be WIFOM. You're an experianced player, you should know better.Unvote, FoS:Charter
@Everyone asking Artem why he didn't vote: Thats what an FoS is. A public statement expressing that you feel someone is suspicious but not sure that they are actually scum. After the random voting stage, you should only vote someone you intend to lynch.
@ Lowell, I want reasons.
@Artem I believe, why is it bad to go after easy targets? And what classifies an easy target? If I claimed scum would I be an easy target and would you vote me?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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So voting someone you find scummier then everyone else is scummy and attacking an easy target? Riiiiiiight. Also, if you FoS someone who is claimed scum, you clearly are a poor player. Assuming their are no Jester-esque roles, you lynch the claimed scum, period.Artem wrote: From the scum's point of view, an easy target is a townie that is easy to attack because they've done scummier things than others.
There isn't much of a difference, L-2 is completely arbitrary. Charter knowing that it would start stuff, knowing that it was WIFOM, but put the 5th vote on because he knew it would bring pressure off of Artem's easy target talk. L-2 was bait, Charter snagged it. I would like for him to answer my previous question.Lynx The Antithesis wrote: Panzer, why is it only scummy to put someone at L-2? You put BSG at L-3. There isn't a huge difference between the two. You're calling out charter on his vote which is very similar to your own.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Artem, I wanted you to answer that.Panzerjager wrote: So voting someone you find scummier then everyone else is scummy and attacking an easy target? Riiiiiiight. Also, if you FoS someone who is claimed scum, you clearly are a poor player. Assuming their are no Jester-esque roles, you lynch the claimed scum, period.
@danchao: yes there are occasions where voting is okay when you don't want to see someone lynched, but a good part of the time, that's when you vote. When you wouldn't mind that person being lynched.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Ya know what, This game needs to moveUnvote, Vote Charter
Charter right now is my top suspect and when he comes back I expect answers to my question(s) about him. Also, I have absolutely nothing on BSG, she's played beautifully. I don't even know if she is coming back though. Send her a PM maybe? Has anyone else not checked in?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Alvinz: Lurker. Post or Ask for Replacement.
Artem: Playing scummish right now, Possibly could be newbie town. At some points his actions seem calculated and some seem like he doesn't know which way is up. Maybe newb scum trying to look for a rock or maybe newb town trying to find the ropes.
Artifex: Asking some questions, trying to scum hunt. A little too concerned with whether or not she looks scum with Artem. Neutral read.
BSG:Playing very well for a newbie. Newbie town for now.
Charter: I've already posted my thoughts on charter.
Danchaofan: More sitting by the sidelines but I get the feeling he isgoing the patient method of trying to catch scum. If he doesn't attempt to scum hunt in the future, I'll start to find him suspicious.
Darox: Just replaced a lurker. Post please
Lowell: Chronic Lurker, post or be lynched, because I know you'll post enough to avoid replacement.
Lynx: I don't really know, makes some good points but also trys to swing things. neutral.
Master Ruck: Was kinda giving me a townish read but has since disappeared. Nuetral
Xdaamno: disappeared afterrandom stage. scummish. Due to when he disappeared. Hasn't made many if any relevent post.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Way to dodge my question charter. Why did you intentionally lead the game into WIFOM teritory? You purposely put a L-2 vote for virtually no reason after I had said it would be scummy to do so, without explaining yourself. Pressure was already there so if you are town or scum you'd already gained that. The extra advantage you get as scum would be dragging the game into WIFOM territory confusing players and taking discussion off a buddy(I believe discussion on Artem had just start) and on something that we couldn't lynch you for exclusively. I believe you voted to intentionally to pull discussion away from Artem.
And I appreciate the OMGUS suspicion you throw at me at the end of your post.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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That's lynch,Huge FoSOn Darox for that claim. I'm not sure if I believe hence the FoS because it's a Mini Normal not a Mini theme, so unless there is an ungodly ammount of power here, I really don't like it. Also it's a very easy claim to hide behind seeing as now nobody targets him. I more likely see him as a Survivor(not bad) or an SK(really bad) or he can be plan old scum(bad)Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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You HAVE contributed nothing. Most of your 14 game post have been less then 3 lines and most of those have been completely either exetremely defensivve post that don't add anything to the discussion or completely contentless all together.
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@Artem, My biggest reason for voting was because you and charter seemed like buddies. You had previously defended yourself on a lot of my points when you addressed Danchao's post, so I looked at charter's actions and thought, I best just put these in storage and move on.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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First off, I need to read, which I'll have time to do but not now. I'm currently jobless so I'll have all of tomorrow to get the read done.
Right now the thing I want to address is the things I skimmed on this page, namely Artem and Charter.
Charter, define how I'm scummy.
Artem, if the only reason your voting for me is because I've been lurking you are sadly mistaken. I've been V/LA. I was visiting my girlfriend all weekend. Well, weekend plus a couple of days, Friday until Tuesday. I only posted Monday night to pickup prods I knew were coming.
Note:Artem jumped right on when charter suggested lynching me, Also Charter didn't have the balls to vote me without approval from Artem
afatchic, I think I know why I got picked, but I'm answer your questions after my reread tomorrowSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Addressing Artem first.
[quote=Artem]...charter made no posts, and my only post can be summed up as "Yes, I have addressed those points." The only post about me between 174 and 185 that is of interest is 179 by Dan. Dan basically states that he is less suspicious of me now. Panzer simply echos the sentiment in 185. This is suspicious because it feel like Panzer is/was piggy-backing Dan in his attack against me. [/quote]
I wasn't Piggy backing Dan but my suspicions did mirror(except for you and charter being connected) and you did answer his suspicions and I went back and looked at the post in which you said you answered his questions and after reading those posts, I looked at Charter's actions and decided to let it go for now. So in short Between post 174 and 185 there was nothing but I looked at previous post and reviewed my own thoughts and thought, "there isn't much here right now"
Now on to charter, I'll address the taking pressure of Artem. True there was one vote on Artem but all the posts at that time were talking about Artem and how he was being scummy and people were starting to vote him. In my opinion you were trying to steer away from that by intentionally causing a WIFOM arguement. My post was clearly a pressure vote on BSG with an inlaid trap because I didn't want it to go to L-2 in fear of a qucik lynch because of the ammount of newbies and newbie-esque players in this game.
Now on to how my suspicions are seemingly me just latching on. I was the first one to be suspicious of Darox I believe and I didn't feel it was worth going into. If he is a PGO then more power too him and us as town. But we can't just ignore him. Also, I thought he made good points against lynx but I didn't FoS nor Vote Lynx. I didn't think I needed to, I just felt Darox was justified in his opinions and stated so.
I voted XD because of his promises to reread that he never followed through on, his BS "pressure vote" on Artem that I truly think was an attempt to lynch(possibly bus), and all of his excuses for not being involved with game until all the attacks focused on him. Also, the week long break between "Okay I'll post more" and the attempt to lynch Artem rubbed me the wrong way.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Seriously, charter? Dude, all this is is a pissing contest. You want to prove that you were right that saying -2 is no scummier then -3. You know what, you're right. L-2 is pretty much nothing as L-3. What I said was to see if anyone would test it, and trap themselves in WIFOM. You are scummy for doing that. Onlt reason you have me as scum, is because of that one statement, a statement that in the end game, won't even matter. Use your brain and not your ego. XD is scummier then I am, that's why ever since his wagon started, he was your number 1 suspect and me you're number 2.
I'm definently surprised at the quickness of my wagon though. Looks like I was right about you and Artem, say that it doesn't matter but I'd be willing to bet that you and Artem are scum and I wouldn't be surprised if XD was with you guys.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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That's just my biggest lead, so I'm using it.
@Artem: I didn't ask for a claim because I've not really been here and when I did get here I was at -3 2 days from deadline. I had other pressing matters Even though I agree with Charter, I actually would like a claim. For The Record.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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@Lowell, I currently like how Artem is acting
@The crowd skeptical about me calling scumbuddies, I'm really skeptical about buddying up because to me it represents people being to comfortable and the only people who would buddy would be scum. That's why I keep mentioning a charter/Artem pair, but I can keep that in my notes if you'd like. All I'm saying it a playstyle nulltell, not a scumtell.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Well If you read my post you'd know I have thoughts on people other then them. That's kinda what I'm under the microscope from charter about supposedly, because I latched on to some views(Note:This is not true)Master Ruck wrote:Master Ruck wrote:Panzer, what is your view on all of this? From what I've seen in my isolation read on you, do you have any thoughts on anyone besides Artem and Charter?
What more of all of this do you want?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Um...You must not know how to read.
I'm mentioned how I agreed with Darox on Lynx and I have expressed that I felt XD was scum. I was also skeptical of Darox claim. I have expressed both of these things lately and in the past. So to answer your question, yes I have thoughts that aren't about Artem and Charter. I have express heavy suspicion of XD, very minor suspicion of Lynx, and have been skeptical of Darox.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Charter, You are so scummy. You seem to have a lot of inside information, you claimed that Xd was town before he was lynched now you're telling us that Charter is 100% confirmed town. And apparently Dan and I are scum together. You definently are making a lot of assumptions and trying to pass them off as facts.
We call those people scum. Do you know why? Because those are the ones who know everyone's alignment. You seem to "know" 4 people alignments. Not only are you wrong and possibly buddying with Artem(again), Your accusing Dan and I of being scum when we haven't buddyed at all.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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So you'd beat a dead horse and possibly lynch a claimed cop just because you're way too narrow minded to see the whole field?
Personally I don't see why Lowell, Lynx and I are the only cases that can be made. I can see a case being made for Master Ruck or Tubby. It is scummy for limiting the town's options to just 3 lynchs andFoS:on anyone who has done soSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Well Master Ruck just made my point. He's downplaying his own stuff cause he made huge scumtells in during the XD thing.
And Tubby has been lurking in plain sight ever since he replace, continually promising reads.
I'm not FoSing those not making cases Charter, I'm FoSing those who said the only cases to be made are for Me and Lowell.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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On Lynx, How he continually changed his stance on the Charter wagon was incredibly scummy. All of his interactions with BSG, were also incredibly scummy because he was saying don't read BSG's reaction, I ruined it, when she spoke up before he did. Also as Darox mentioned, He has a tendency of fence sitting and trying not to offend anyone by averaging being in the middle.
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I'm with tubby 100% on this, and actually I'm gonna go out andUnvote, Vote:Charter
You're right, I shouldn't buy your claim 100%, Artem could possibly be town since as scum, you know everyone's alignment. Also, Hider is an obscure way to use that knowledge and say I just kept clearing townies.
Your vote on me has little do with your supposed case and more to do with distancing yourself from the wagon, as you did with the Daamno wagon.
More votes on charter please.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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