Mini 727 - Mafia in Standardville - Game Over

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Vote Count

Lynx the Antithesis (2) - Darox, Panzerjager
Lowell (1) - Artem
Panzerjager (1) - Charter

Not Voting (6) - Master Ruck, Danchaofan, Lowell, Tubby216, Artifex, Lynx the Antithesis

[Darox]

Ow.

I believe Charters claim.

Yeah.

Nothings really changed my previously stated opinion on this game.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Ow.

I believe Charters claim.

Yeah.

Nothings really changed my previously stated opinion on this game.

Then how about actively scumhunting? You seem to have played with a constant style of popping in every couple of pages to say something, then leave again. If you still have suspicions on me, then why not push harder for my lynch? Am I the only one you find suspicious?

Don't like the last request from Master Ruck to Charter. Don't know whether to chalk it up to bad play or just being scummy.

Tubby and Artifex apparently have been V/LA so they'll have to time to catch up.

Dan who have you been looking at on Day 2?

Mod

, any reason that Lowell wasn't prodded as well?

He posted saturday my time and with weekends counting as one day, has untill wednesday before classes my time to post (~8 hours)

[PJ.]

Lynx, When my major suspicions are ever dead or semi-cleared wouldn't my minor suspicions become my major suspicions?

[Lowell]

prod recieved. I've been neglecting this game.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Lynx, When my major suspicions are ever dead or semi-cleared wouldn't my minor suspicions become my major suspicions?

The only way for something to become more suspicious to me is when more evidence builds up, not when another case hits a dead end.

[Master Ruck]

The

only

way? That's being a bit narrow minded. If I have in my mind people who I think are scum, and scum #1 and #2 are lynched/confirmed town, then that makes #3 my new top suspect. I'm seeing that as the situation right now so while it wouldn't hurt to have some more evidence, it's not fair to say that should be the

only

reason why we can suspect you.

[Artem]

prod recieved. I've been neglecting this game.

Translation: I've been lurking.

[Artem]

I did forget about this one. I'll review Lowell later.

Charter, can you please follow up on this?

[charter]

Yes, his latest admitting lurking isn't helping either.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

The

only

way? That's being a bit narrow minded. If I have in my mind people who I think are scum, and scum #1 and #2 are lynched/confirmed town, then that makes #3 my new top suspect. I'm seeing that as the situation right now so while it wouldn't hurt to have some more evidence, it's not fair to say that should be the

only

reason why we can suspect you.

I'm thinking major suspect as extremely suspicious, and not the current suspect who you find most suspicion. If you have a minor suspicion of somebody say for a backpeddle or a slip up. Then your main suspects are cleared. Does that mean that your minor suspicions have evolved into major suspicions simply because another suspect has been freed up? I'll agree with you that

only

was a very strong, poorly chosen word choice though.

[Master Ruck]

Pretty much, Lynx, yeah. I'm not saying that the minor suspicion instantly grows into big suspicion; it still stays as a minor suspicion, but with the clearing of the other suspects it now becomes your best lead and worth pursuing to see where it goes.

[charter]

Eh, I reread Lowell. He's a lurker for sure but I don't see much of a case on him right now.

[Artem]

Eh, I reread Lowell. He's a lurker for sure but I don't see much of a case on him right now.

So you have no problems FoSing and voting panzer for lurking, but not Lowell?

[PJ.]

Eh, I reread Lowell. He's a lurker for sure but I don't see much of a case on him right now.

So you have no problems FoSing and voting panzer for lurking, but not Lowell?

ohohohohohohoh BURN charter BURN!!!!

[charter]

I voted Panzer for the same reasons as yesterday. Him lurking at deadline was a relatively minor addition to them. I guess there's something against Lowell, I Just dont think it's that strong.

[charter]

Eh, I reread Lowell. He's a lurker for sure but I don't see much of a case on him right now.

So you have no problems FoSing and voting panzer for lurking, but not Lowell?

ohohohohohohoh BURN charter BURN!!!!

Yeah, that hurt me bad?

Mod, what day/time is our deadline?

Deadline for day two is Thursday February 19th, at 11:59 AM PST

[tubby216]

i believe charters claim, but i don't see his case on panzer. I don't believe panzer needs to be the lynch today.

i read lynx agian, and i see panzer's case so

vote: lynx

[charter]

unvote, vote lynx

Make some slip ups for me.

[PJ.]

Can we get some prod's?

Everyone has posted in the last 72 hours

[Lowell]

I'm still out for a bit. My classes are starting this week and I've been trying to put together class lists and lesson plans.

If there's a case against me I'm happy to address it. Otherwise try to be patient.

[Artem]

@Lowell:

Here's the sequence of posts that I have a problem with from Day 1:

I like artifex or artem more as scum more than BSG right now. Lynx looks town.

(Artem, Artifex, MR and Panzer all ask for reasons in the next few posts.)

(Server move.)

@panzer, I dont' really remember why I said that right now. My brain stopped working when the site crashed, TBH.

No doubt there's a great reason, though. I'll figure it out.

Also, Lowell, I believe it's a cop out to say you forgot everything since the site crashed. You could easily reread the pages and recall your earlier thoughts. I think you just don't want to back up your vague statements with some actually evidence.

Lowell- A vote for me without explanation, then a post with some opinions on four player's scum factor without explanation. I actually like the having opinions part, because as I've reread the game I've noticed we have some players who are hesitant to do that. But it doesnt help to know what you think if there's no explanation why. I'll buy needing time to reread for now, but I'd still like you to offer those four lines of reasoning when you come back.

I await Lowell's memory

(Finally....)

Okay here's how the first 2 pages look to me.

9-11- the banter between artem and artifex makes me uneasy
30- charter's post is strange, he chides panzer, then votes with him
33- artem gives a speech about "how many votes is scummy" then unvotes artifex [what was the point?], then only FOSs charter [??]
35- BSG hits it RIGHT ON THE NOSE
38-40- more uncomfortable banter from artem and artifex

What I don't like is (a) the banter between artem and artifex, which seems to keep happening, and (b) the odd vote/unvote by artem on artifex. It's like he voted for artifex to set up a lecture about the nature of votes, then unvoted, only to FOS someone he said he was actually suspicious of. It looks like he was throwing a token "distancing" vote to a scumbuddy early, then just flimsily moving somewhere else. There's so much buddying here that I think at least one of them is scum.

Generally, I just think they're lazy as well. BSG was the random choice for a few votes at the beginning. Then, somehow, it became something one had to explain when they weren't voting for BSG. I think they're happy letting the initial pressure dictate what happens, which itself is very scummy.

BSG has handled the pressure well, I think. Post 35 is exactly on the money and he seems to be payign attention genearlly. Lynx I just think is town because he's active and not trying to kiss ass.

One more. Despite charter's strange post 30, I think he's town as well. I like the fact that he's willing to take BSG up to L-2 just to see what happens. That strikes me as gutsy, and townish.

Basically, post 77 looks made up because other players have consistently applied pressure. If #77 was actually the reasons for post 52 in the first place, then how can you forget such reasons? Read #66: "No doubt there's a great reason, though. I'll figure it out."?? That basically translates to: "Let me re-read and make up the reasons".

Then my other post, which Lowell never addressed:

@lynx- I pushed for an artem wagon because I thought it was better than the Xda wagon, based on their interactions. I backed off at the end when charter came out with his "bet my life artem is town" bit. I assumed this meant he had some information he didn't want to reveal at the time.

Can you be a little more specific? One of my biggest things against you is that you've been using blanket statements / generalizations. For example, what does "based on their interactions" mean? What was scummy about my interactions with Xda? Is it still scummy now that he's cardflipped? Why or why not?

Another strange thing is that Lowell says charter is town in 77 and charter is reluctant to go after Lowell. While I believe charter's claim, these two facts make me wary.

If you filter the posts by Lowell, you'll see that he gave virtually no contribution. He consistently lurks and makes blanket statements. I want him lynched.

[tubby216]

@artem,
so do you feel lowell is far scummier than lynx??

[Artem]

Yes, I'm actually reading lynx as town and I don't understand the wagon on him. Most of the arguments against him either have to do with him sitting on the fence, or they are too convoluted for me to want to follow them.

The fence-sitting comes off as an undecided townie rather than an opportunistic scum. At least to me.

[Artem]

Also, what do you think are the chances of scum having some talking on Night 0 and deciding to claim obscure (yet, investigation-immunity guaranteeing) roles throughout the game?

Also, I just reread my role PM,

ALL

night actions targetting me fail if I hide behind a townie.

I admit, it's some wild speculation, but I have to throw it out on the table, since I am not likely to see the next day.