Open 563 - Jungle Republic (Night 5~)
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Past your bedtime, tsktsk.
Both of you aren't making sense much sense at all. Sns' vote 'cause selfvote was bad. Reinoe's vote in response to that was bad.
So if it's any consolation to you, I like reinoe's vote less.
The flashwagon point doesn't make sense. If I understand correctly (I'll try and translate what sns was saying)... wagons don't usually work like that from a scum's perspective. For example, if you have two votes on you, and mafia hops onto the wagon, werewolf is going to be more likely to hop onto the people who hopped onto the wagon rather than you (I think this was what Sns was trying to say, but I'm not sure, he didn't really make sense in that post). That might not make sense, I'm tired, forgive me. In any case, no matter how the wagon would have played out, I don't think the flashwagon fear should have actually been mentioned. The five scum aren't going to all opportunistically wagon that.
And the fact he didn't mention town for those sentences means nothing whatsoever. He wasn't talking about town... that's why...
And other than that, he didn't look scummy in the first place for voting you that way.-
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really fast post cause i'm late
Okay, I was kind of confused. I've also never exactly experienced a flashwagon before, so I was more trying to understand the likeliness.
And I understand the perspective thing now. I don't think it's a strong point, but I get what you're saying and it clicks.
Also. Wait. Hold up. So I understand. Couldn't that also be said about bjc's vote?-
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i hate you n_m
scum move
try to trick people into thinking you have actual evidence and then you pull this shit
btw both of the votes are still dumb except for not_mafia's at this point.
In post 73, Not_Mafia wrote:At first I thought Reinoe was being overzealous in his vote but the more you talk the more I think you were jumping on opportunistically
this is the best point so far because it's true. lucky reineo.-
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don't tell me what to do, reinoe.
VOTE: sns
really? i was waiting for a better defence than that -- not "go meta me." that makes you look worse.
meh, i probably will but i don't have time right now. so take this vote because i expected more.-
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In post 82, snscompt1 wrote:Dont tell me what to do followed by doing what he said. Mhm.
it was a joke
ha ha
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In post 114, Wickedestjr wrote:
Her vote for snscompt is incredibly opportunistic.
First she says this;
Bins wrote:Both of you aren't making sense much sense at all. Sns' vote 'cause selfvote was bad. Reinoe's vote in response to that was bad.
So if it's any consolation to you, I like reinoe's vote less.
-Somewhat a fence sit
-Calls reinoe's vote for snscompt bad
-Says reinoe's vote is worse than snscompt's vote
At this point, I was "on the fence", because I didn't think either of them were scum, I just thought their votes were bad.
In post 114, Wickedestjr wrote:
-by this point Not_Mafia had voted snscompt
-Bins now sides with reinoe
-her reasoning in this quote is bad and looks like an attempt at originality (what's wrong with asking to be meta'd?)
She seems to have changed her mind because of post 39. But post 39 shouldn't have caused her to change her mind. One bad post caused a radical change in her reads? Looks opportunistic.
I sided with Not_Mafia. I didn't like Reinoe's reasons at all for the vote. I thought they were weak and didn't make much sense to me, even from the beginning.
Not_Mafia came in with stronger points that I did agree with.
And I really didn't like sns' defense. Asking to be meta'd is bad because he could know he's not acting like he usually does as scum. He could have changed his play style. That's what didn't sit right to me.-
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^ I also don't like sns' "I know I'm right and you're wrong" tone of voice. It seems fake and like he's only attempting to sound confident.
I guess you could say the same for Reinoe, but that just seems like who he is.-
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God, it's not the context of what you said. It's the tone. Honestly, most of the stuff you said was fine at first, that's why I didn't like the original vote on you. But I never liked the way you spoke.
I'm going to meta you because I think that's the best idea right now. I was always going to, I'm just going through a hard time with work, so I'll do it when I have time. (which will definitely be by at least tomorrow)-
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In post 145, snscompt1 wrote:
Pedit2: You can read my tone through the internet? Please don't try to do that. I've learned to stop doing that long ago. You read stuff the way you want to read it or how you would say it. And that's fine. I haven't meta'd myself yet. I look forward to it
It's not hard to get tone through writing. I still think your tone is fake and unnecessary. esp. if you're town, because you don't need to play up an act.
I'm not going to unvote you until I see a better vote (the closest thing to that is honestly reinoe). And I see nothing wrong with Pasch, he looks town.-
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There's no point arguing this anymore because it's pretty off the topic of the game now. Anyways, it's not hard to get tone from any type of writing. It's the way you choose to present an argument. Think of it like how Reinoe said you didn't talk like town content wise. I'm saying you talked less like town, tone wise. And I never claimed it was a good argument, I'm just saying it's something you need to look out for. It might be your problem with getting lynched as town (iirc you said that).-
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In post 178, Wickedestjr wrote:
1. How can you have issue with sns' defense if you didn't like the vote he was defending against to begin with?
2. What stronger points did Not_Mafia come in with that you agree with?
3. When did sns ask you to look at hisscummeta?
4. If he had asked you to look at his town meta, would that have been ok?
1. Not really what I meant. I didn't like the reasons for Reinoe's vote, and I didn't read him scum at that time. It was only until he started defending himself that he felt scummy.
2. ^ Not_Mafia believed this as well.
3. When he originally posted it...
In post 78, snscompt1 wrote:*sigh* If anyone wants to see me as scum, feel free to meta me. I dont know if it will do anything, I dont really pay attention to how I play, but Ive finished two scum games within a week and won them both.
4. Er, that's a lot less likely of a situation but I think it wouldn't have made any difference for my opinion. It's still something he has control over knowing whether or not it will give anything away about his play style.
And I just don't get any scum vibes. It's definitely not a strong town read, 'cause he hasn't really said anything. But the points he's made don't strike me as odd.-
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I really don't like pointing this out, but it's happened three times the game. I'm a her.
but welcome!
In post 201, fuzzybutternut wrote:
SNS has a very, very weird playstyle. He gives off a naturally scummy vibe, but not the kind that would label him as scum, you know? The kinda vibe
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Your points against me don't even make sense. At least with Wicked I could see where he was coming from and I could respond with points. But how was "posting with clarity" scummy? And I don't see the problem with my vote on Bulge.
I definitely think Bulge is scum but he can be lynched tomorrow.
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In post 277, The Bulge wrote:The thing that bothers me most about this game is that eloquent players win. Because I stumbled in my argument, that is somehow a scum-tell, and now Not_Mafia gets off scot-free and I am mislynched.
it wasn't the stumbling
he's not "off scot-free"
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Uhm, also iirc I think he replaced into a spot that had not a single vote on it throughout the entire game. There was no suspicion on the guy he was replacing. He basically just hanged low and waited for a mislynch, and him and his partner quick hammered in LYLO.-
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In post 286, snscompt1 wrote:In post 282, Bins wrote:He has one. He was scum in that one and replaced in on like iirc the last day.
Yeah but do you know his alt
Yeeee-aph.
I saw the Face With A Name post.-
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In post 301, Paschendale wrote:
You're making banter instead of supporting your votes or trying to convince anyone else. You don't offer reasons or arguments and haven't offered a single useful read. Whatever you're doing, it's not contributing to town's chances to win this game.
I repeat: what the heck are you talking about.
I wasn't going to make a post addressing this because NONE of your arguments made sense, unlike Wickedjrs - which I could actually respond to. But now I think I need to point out how dumb these sound from my perspective. Because now you're insulting my town play. Which is fine, that's your opinion, but everything you said hasn't made sense.
First:
I'm not going to add all the times that I have been making arguments. Because you even acknowledged my arguments yourself:
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In post 301, Paschendale wrote:
You don't offer reasons or arguments andhaven't offered a single useful read.Whatever you're doing, it's not contributing to town's chances to win this game.
Again, I think my stance on almost everyone has been clear (except those that haven't been talking). I know you and Bulge are scum. Sns and Reinoe are null, but sns is leaning scum and Reinoe is leaning town. Everyone else is towny (by that I mean bjc, probably wicked, fuzzy, not_mafia).
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I usually don't address opinions on what votes look like but grfaushdxnz.
My vote was the second on a "wagon" where the first vote had been BEFORE Bulge's flailing. I was going to make a post about it after I got home from school, but then you kept going on so I decided to switch to you because it's pointless. I'll make the post tomorrow and you can die today.
I repeat: What the heck are you talking about?-
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In answer's to Reinoe's question to me which I just saw now.
Two of the hop-off-the-wagon votes felt like they were motivated by discomfort. As the wagon was called dumb, then bjc (the main voice of the wagon) unvoted, the votes just came off without reason. Except for Not_Maf. The unvotes seemed more sheeping then the votes onto the wagon. If that makes sense.
Honestly, that makes me feel worse about the two votes that didn't say shit and just peaced the fuck out of there. Maru and sns. Not to mention sns then did the entire vote bjc, unvote, sheep thing. SO idk.-
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I'm just going to post saying that I've fallen a little behind so I'm going to refresh my memory a bunch after my exam tomorrow. After that, I'm free! So I'll be active and stuff.-
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I'll be online until the lynch.
I'll switch my vote if I have to, chances are more than one of {Titus, Splash, Pasch, Bulge} are scum so I'll definitely try my hardest to prevent the no lynch.
I strongly prefer Pasch. Titus and Splash are probably a tie for second. Then Bulge because I don't think the lynch on him is happening.-
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Welp. This sucks. To address your question, Titus, I don't really scumread Splash or you at all. Your slot definitely more than Splash's, but I wish I could have given you a chance to actually play the game.
If you're online, any chance you're going to claim Seer? Because I have pretty big intent to hammer.
I might not wake up in time to deliver it. So, I'll do so tonight before I sleep. Which could be very soon.-
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I was slighty leaning scum on Shaded, but when Titus replaced I actually felt like the slot was okay. It was very bad timing, but in any case, I hate lynching people who just replaced into the game.-
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In post 512, snscompt1 wrote:Yeah.
VOTE: Fuzzybutternut
I find that more often than not, that those who try to generate discussion by discussing the NK are scum.
I have to reread.
This is illogical.
1. I'd rather we discuss this NK.
2. This game desperately needs discussion.
3. NK analysis is extremely important.-
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Whoa, if you don't want to discuss the night kill, that's fine by me. I was just saying that Fuzzy's post doesn't look that bad because he wanted to discuss the NK. It was a pretty awkward entry post, I'll admit. But I've seen town want to immediately discuss NK right away as well. So I was more against the reasoning for your vote.-
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In post 572, The Bulge wrote:In post 571, Desperado wrote:More Bulge votes plz
In post 537, The Bulge wrote:@Desp - You acknowledge your vote as naked, but make no effort to "dress" it and instead just use it as a shot against N_M. Care to enlighten us? And does the vote have anything to do with N_M (ie associative tells)?
This is a serious question. I'm genuinely curious about that last part in particular.
Woof woof.
I wanted to vote Fuzzy, but I agree wholehearting with Wicked that WWs are what we need to catch right now.
I'm going to do my reread tonight, and probably order who's most likely to be a WW. I'm leaning Bulge and Unsight for now.-
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In post 583, fuzzybutternut wrote:^I feel like you just threw up WIFOM in a bucket and tossed it everywhere.
Really?
I also thought the "Read: I'm a VT, not a Seer" came across as very genuine.-
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That read is kind of odd, Pasch. Unsight looks way more WW than mafia.
Because there was no good reasoning behind the votes. It was like "oh? Bulge wagon? Seems good to me." Like Bulge said, everyone is already assuming he's WW. I think the main reason I'd want his lynch now is for his flip and that's not a strong enough reason for me.-
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Because, contrary to what others are saying, I thought it was very well written.
In post 650, Riddleton wrote:I still think TheBulge is the better lynch choice. Here's what will happen:-
-If TheBulge flips WW, Wicked would likely be WW. Unsight could alsopotentiallybe WW too
-If TheBulge flips town, Wicked would likely be town.
-If TheBulge flips mafia, we wouldn't get any other information (unlikely).
My reasons for him are in #599. I'm sure he'd flip WW and I think it's the safer choice in general. There are 3 WWs and we could get two of them from that.
Eh? Three werewolves?
Also, why has no one else pointed out this error? Are y'all reading?
I find this post really fricken odd.
1. Why would Bulge flipping WW likely mean Wicked is WW? Do you really think Wicked would protect his partner that much?
2. Why is Wicked almost cleared with a Bulge town flip? I think it could easily swing either way.
3. Why does a mafia flip give us NO info? That's just an odd statement to make.-
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In post 653, Not_Mafia wrote:Why do you think Wicked is town if Bulge is town? I think he's scum regardless of the flip, Bulge's town flip just means I won't be sure as to which faction he is
Since when have you scumread Wicked? Did I miss it? Oops.-
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I'd like to note that I'll be less active due to personal IRL stuff that I've been dealing with these past few days. I'll attempt to poke my head in ever so often, but no garuntees. I might have periods were I can post a lot even, so I'm just letting y'all know just in case.
I don't think it's enough for me to replace out tho, but I might have to if it gets too bad.-
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In post 660, Riddleton wrote:@3 WWs that was a mistake. I know there's 3 mafia but I saod 3 WWs there for some reasom. I blame tiredness
Wait. So what did you actually mean?-
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But... what if Bulge isn't a WW? I agree with Bulge on this, everyone keeps assuming he's destined to flip WW and the more people keep talking like that, the less certain I am.
And, uhm, no. I actually thought it was very well written. Must I mention that in comparison no one has made a case like this on Bulge?-
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