Open 563 - Jungle Republic (Night 5~)

[Riddleton]

I still think TheBulge is the better lynch choice. Here's what will happen:-
-If TheBulge flips WW, Wicked would likely be WW. Unsight could also

potentially

be WW too
-If TheBulge flips town, Wicked would likely be town.
-If TheBulge flips mafia, we wouldn't get any other information (unlikely).

My reasons for him are in #599. I'm sure he'd flip WW and I think it's the safer choice in general. There are 3 WWs and we could get two of them from that.

[Riddleton]

I just don't like how Wicked keeps saying TheBulge is completely clear. Sure, he's not as scummy as Fuzzy is acting but he's not exactly acting townlike either. I don't know; just think it's unusual that's all

[Riddleton]

I think the Bulge and Wicked are the same alignment anyway ^

[Not_Mafia]

Why do you think Wicked is town if Bulge is town? I think he's scum regardless of the flip, Bulge's town flip just means I won't be sure as to which faction he is

[Riddleton]

To be honest at this point it's mostly gut. It just makes more sense to me if they're the same alignment.

[Riddleton]

If TheBulge is town, Wicked's statement just comes across as a very strong town read. If flip scum, wicked's statement looks like buddying.
That's the way I see it. It's a loose conclusion but I can't see it where they have different alignments

[Unsight]

Unsight is guilty of IIoA = Information Instead of Analysis, one of my favorite scum tells.

Also this is worth noting because it's potentially very scummy.

Scum will often try to stay below the radar by posting "useful" information, non-controversial material, and avoiding giving reads. In essence they provide posts filled with null or empty content that can often be made up of setup and role speculation. While that's sometimes useful for the town, a player who produces a lot of that instead of genuine scum hunting is often scum.

That's the tell.

Adding in additional information noticed after heavy wagon analysis that may not be immediately important but could eventually become relevant

is not the tell.

Either Wickedestjr doesn't understand his own favorite scum tell or he's deliberately misusing it and didn't expect to be called out on it.

[Bins]

Because, contrary to what others are saying, I thought it was very well written.

I still think TheBulge is the better lynch choice. Here's what will happen:-
-If TheBulge flips WW, Wicked would likely be WW. Unsight could also

potentially

be WW too
-If TheBulge flips town, Wicked would likely be town.
-If TheBulge flips mafia, we wouldn't get any other information (unlikely).

My reasons for him are in #599. I'm sure he'd flip WW and I think it's the safer choice in general. There are 3 WWs and we could get two of them from that.

Eh? Three werewolves?

Also, why has no one else pointed out this error? Are y'all reading?

I find this post really fricken odd.

1. Why would Bulge flipping WW likely mean Wicked is WW? Do you really think Wicked would protect his partner that much?
2. Why is Wicked almost cleared with a Bulge town flip? I think it could easily swing either way.
3. Why does a mafia flip give us NO info? That's just an odd statement to make.

[Bins]

Why do you think Wicked is town if Bulge is town? I think he's scum regardless of the flip, Bulge's town flip just means I won't be sure as to which faction he is

Since when have you scumread Wicked? Did I miss it? Oops.

[Bins]

I'd like to note that I'll be less active due to personal IRL stuff that I've been dealing with these past few days. I'll attempt to poke my head in ever so often, but no garuntees. I might have periods were I can post a lot even, so I'm just letting y'all know just in case.

I don't think it's enough for me to replace out tho, but I might have to if it gets too bad.

[Riddleton]

@3 WWs that was a mistake. I know there's 3 mafia but I saod 3 WWs there for some reasom. I blame tiredness

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm in awe.

Don't be. It's a pretty weak post filled with "Unsight is confident in her reads ergo scum" and "Unsight provides information ergo scum." Lots of null tells painted as scum tells and far too many words saying far too little.

That was a pretty damn strong post imo.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'd like to note that I'll be less active due to personal IRL stuff that I've been dealing with these past few days. I'll attempt to poke my head in ever so often, but no garuntees. I might have periods were I can post a lot even, so I'm just letting y'all know just in case.

I don't think it's enough for me to replace out tho, but I might have to if it gets too bad.

also, this. Hence my recent inactivity.

[Not_Mafia]

Why do you think Wicked is town if Bulge is town? I think he's scum regardless of the flip, Bulge's town flip just means I won't be sure as to which faction he is

Since when have you scumread Wicked? Did I miss it? Oops.

Since his anti-town derailing of this lynch and unnecessary extending out of this day with discussion that is helping to make the identity of our only PR more and more obvious. I was hoping I'd wake up and this day would be over. Apparently not.

Because, contrary to what others are saying, I thought it was very well written.

That was a pretty damn strong post imo.

Do you think it's a strong case or is it just that it's "well written", I see nice formatting and buzzwords but look at the actual content, it's pretty much entirely dressing up null tells as scum tells (as Unsight pointed out), taking things out of context or misrepresenting them, or just incorrect in places.

[Bins]

@3 WWs that was a mistake. I know there's 3 mafia but I saod 3 WWs there for some reasom. I blame tiredness

Wait. So what did you actually mean?

[Bins]

But... what if Bulge isn't a WW? I agree with Bulge on this, everyone keeps assuming he's destined to flip WW and the more people keep talking like that, the less certain I am.

And, uhm, no. I actually thought it was very well written. Must I mention that in comparison no one has made a case like this on Bulge?

[Bins]

Bah, reading that over, maybe I want the flip for WIFOM reasons. :<

[Not_Mafia]

So vote him. You summed this whole thing up yourself here

everyone keeps assuming he's destined to flip WW

[Bins]

@3 WWs that was a mistake. I know there's 3 mafia but I saod 3 WWs there for some reasom. I blame tiredness

Oh and answer my other posts or at least address that you will get to them >.>

[Bins]

Yeah fuck it, I'm not placing my vote where I would be extremely uncomfortable AGAIN. This wagon is terrible.

Even though you said Bulge was the BEST candidate, I think we have better. I mean, hell, has Despardo done anything this game to convince you that he's town? And you're calling starting another wagon "anti-town" but that's just bull rn. Not trying to lynch werewolves to our best ability is anti-town and that's what everyone here is doing.

We can't just assume the WWs are going to kill mafia (probably kill Fuzzy). I want a good fucking lynch, not one for WIFOM. You look bad from my POV trying to rush this shit wagon.

Lynch Bulge, but I want no part of the lynch. Just know that I'll be looking at you and Desp if he flips town.

VOTE: Desp

Sorry, Wicked, even though your post was good, I don't think Unsight is my biggest suspicion.

[Not_Mafia]

Why is Desp wolf and not just scum? And you're saying this is a shit lynch because there was no resistance, when I've pointed out why it should have gone through with no resistance and how this says nothing about the wagon itself. Bulge will be lynch fodder and a sticking point for every day he's still here, and we could have assumed a mafia kill like 4 pages ago, instead we're splitting wagons multiple times for no apparent reason.

[Bins]

I'm saying it's a shit lynch because there's no good argument for it that I can see and everyone's still acting like Bulge is conf scum. Lynch Bulge, NM, go ahead, I'm not attempting to defend against the wagon, I just don't want to be a part of it.

And I don't see Desp scum for reasons that he voted Splash vs Shaded. I don't think he'd just not bus his partner in that situation.

[Mist7676]

Vote Count:

The Bulge

(4) - Not_Mafia, Riddleton, Paschendale, Unsight

Desperado

(2) - The Bulge, Bins

Unsight

(2) - fuzzybutternut, Wickedestjr

(expired on 2014-08-16 05:25:27)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Paschendale]

I'm saying it's a shit lynch because there's no good argument for it that I can see and everyone's still acting like Bulge is conf scum. Lynch Bulge, NM, go ahead, I'm not attempting to defend against the wagon, I just don't want to be a part of it.

And I don't see Desp scum for reasons that he voted Splash vs Shaded. I don't think he'd just not bus his partner in that situation.

His votes were for poor and unfounded reasons. His contributions have not helped find scum at all and his day 1 play, especially his vote, looked like trying to fly under the radar. The last two votes on day 1, that being his and yours, both looked like this. They had all the trappings of votes cast by people who know exactly the outcome that a lynch will have (or at very least, know that it won't be their team). I can see why you're defending Bulge, since everything that implicates him also implicates you, but his general play has been worse, so he's on the block today instead of you.

Are you his teammate or are you just defending yourself by proxy?

[The Bulge]

My laptop is having internet connection problems and I won't be able to fix it until much later, so I can't promise content until tomorrow. Looking over this page, Riddleton's 650 is complete bullshit and so is NM's 667.