Open 563 - Jungle Republic (Night 5~)

[Bins]

Definitely. I'm arguing this from the point of view that you're being decently townread and wouldn't have been the NK, as I stated when you firsted asked me.

[Paschendale]

You weren't at risk of getting NK'd by NM, neither was Riddleton. He probably would have gone with Fuzzy, but I can't say that for sure. Which is why it makes sense that you would be okay with lynching someone who definitely not a WW.

Which I was. But by that same reasoning, those players who were

particularly

intent on lynching the WW should also be scrutinized.

Except, you know, it was the best course of action for town.

[Aegor]

Only if we were more sure about the WW than the mafia.

[fuzzybutternut]

Only if we were more sure about the WW than the mafia.

Uhh, town can't be certain of anything. If you're town, you're basically guessing. NM was the most likely candidate for being a wolf, that's why he was lynched. No matter which way you look at it, lynching WW was, and will always be, more important to town in that situation.

[Paschendale]

Only if we were more sure about the WW than the mafia.

Uhh, town can't be certain of anything. If you're town, you're basically guessing. NM was the most likely candidate for being a wolf, that's why he was lynched. No matter which way you look at it, lynching WW was, and will always be, more important to town in that situation.

Please, informed guesses.

[Aegor]

Uhh, town can't be certain of anything.

That is just not true, even in this setup: we have a seer. Second, there are layers of conviction, which is exactly my point.

NM was the most likely candidate for being a wolf, that's why he was lynched. No matter which way you look at it, lynching WW was, and will always be, more important to town in that situation.

I agree that he was the most likely candidate for being a wolf, but that does not mean that he was the most likely candidate for scum. As I said, I felt much more sure that you are mafia than I did NM was a wolf, even though he was the most likely wolf candidate.

You seem not to be reading my posts.

Ceteris paribus

, certainly lynching the WW is ideal for town. But things were not equal, and people did not necessarily feel equally certain about their WW and Maf candidates. Had we mislynched, town could have basically been out of the game. It was more important to lynch scum than the WW.

[fuzzybutternut]

Only if we were more sure about the WW than the mafia.

Uhh, town can't be certain of anything. If you're town, you're basically guessing. NM was the most likely candidate for being a wolf, that's why he was lynched. No matter which way you look at it, lynching WW was, and will always be, more important to town in that situation.

Please, informed guesses.

informed guesses, yes, but it's still essentially guessing. Once the seer dies, you only have the information they provided and anything else you can gather up based off play. VT's will never know for a fact who is what role unless another role tells them.

[fuzzybutternut]

You seem not to be reading my posts. Ceteris paribus, certainly lynching the WW is ideal for town. But things were not equal, and people did not necessarily feel equally certain about their WW and Maf candidates. Had we mislynched, town could have basically been out of the game. It was more important to lynch scum than the WW.

Oh, I'm reading your posts very clearly. I'm well aware of what would happen

if

we mislynched, but lynching the WW is the best course of action we could have taken yesterday.

Not

lynching the only person who was guaranteed

not Werewolf

. That's what YOU aren't understanding. If we hadn't lynched WW yesterday, town would be down one/two people anyway.

[Bins]

riddle hasn't posted in 4 days

i need to seriously get to thinking but i've been busy w/ school lately

[Bins]

i need to make up my minds because i feel like trusting all your reads and then that means that all of you are scum. and aegor it feels like you're trying to make me paranoid about the one solid townread i was convinced on.

[Aegor]

You seem not to be reading my posts. Ceteris paribus, certainly lynching the WW is ideal for town. But things were not equal, and people did not necessarily feel equally certain about their WW and Maf candidates. Had we mislynched, town could have basically been out of the game. It was more important to lynch scum than the WW.

Oh, I'm reading your posts very clearly. I'm well aware of what would happen

if

we mislynched, but lynching the WW is the best course of action we could have taken yesterday.

You are not reading my posts, or your own, for that matter, given that you said town ultimately guesses anyway and therefore the "if" is not a mere hypothetical. We could not simply assume we would be lynching the WW.

Not

lynching the only person who was guaranteed

not Werewolf

. That's what YOU aren't understanding. If we hadn't lynched WW yesterday, town would be down one/two people anyway.

I understand that completely, but it still makes no sense to attempt to kill a WW that we are 10% sure on rather than a mafioso we are, say, 90% sure on. I still cannot grasp what part of that is confusing to you.

I really do not care about NKs; no one in this game is that useful.

[Paschendale]

We weren't "10%" sure. We were pretty damn sure. But you're trying to make it look like a reasonable wagon to oppose because it was beneficial to mafia to oppose it.

Riddleton's absence likewise has me worried.

[Riddleton]

I'm still OK with fuzzy being lynched.

[Bins]

if that's all youre ok with and youre not going to say anything else well

[Bins]

you finally say something when people comment on you being gone..

[Aegor]

We weren't "10%" sure. We were pretty damn sure.

I was not, which is all that matters to me anyway.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm still OK with fuzzy being lynched.

Welcome back, Beetlejuice. Wanna actually do something now or...?

[Riddleton]

Alright.

VOTE: Fuzzy

[Riddleton]

I'm almost certain it's fuzzy and pasch. To be honest, I think it should be obvious at this point. I didn't post earlier as I didn't have anything constructive to add.

[fuzzybutternut]

didn't have anything constructive to add.

You kinda haven't had anything constructive to add, oh, I don't know, ever?

[Riddleton]

or so it seems

[Riddleton]

I have contributed earlier on though, in all seriousness. I've just gotten lazy is all.

[Paschendale]

Okay, so what little doubt I had before is completely gone. Aegor and Riddleton. 100%

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm glad someone agrees.

[Riddleton]

I'm glad both of my scum reads are quick to pick the low hanging fruit and say I'm scummy when basically your only point against me is this supposed 'bussimg' with fuzzy.