Newbie 584: Mark it "done"!

[muffinhead]

hay guys im also a noob although i have alrady played a game here while waiting for this to start so i definatly have an idea of whats going on.

vote snailman8

it seems to sus to come here and randomly vote someone out. Proberbly will change later but for now lets c what happens.

fos: sd_reaper, not even i voted for a person who hasnt even posted yet when i first played. Seems very noob scumy if u know what i mean considering u dont know him whatsoever.

[muffinhead]

Proberbly will change later but for now lets c what happens.

unvote

didnt u read the rest of it, i just read that abbriviations page which is really usefull

vote S8

lol

[muffinhead]

The purpose of what I was saying was to spark conversation. I don't think I am being too cautious. I have seen plenty of newbies think that the first day of a game is supposed to last 2-3 real life days and, when they see a few votes on a person, they say, "Okay, I'll just go with the crowd and vote for that person too." And yes, I've seen townies do this. I have seen some really really badly played newbie games. As an IC, I would expect YOU to know that.

And you really think what I said was the scummiest thing you've seen so far? What about this?

fos: sd_reaper, not even i voted for a person who hasnt even posted yet when i first played. Seems very noob scumy if u know what i mean considering u dont know him whatsoever.

To help u out i have played 1 other game on this site and was a scum lynched on the 2nd page which is humiliating. Thats y i didnt take the rv stage into consideration. Therefore i am most definatly a noob.

Correct me if im wrong but this is the way i c it. our aim is to get as many clues as possible into who is scum and who isnt.

As for twiglees question, I believe the rv stage is used to see if there r any giveaways after doing so. I read that somewhere but cant remeber where lol.

[muffinhead]

unvote

for now untill i hav a clear mind

[muffinhead]

omg where is everyone, it seems to be a dead game

[muffinhead]

hay guys im also a noob although i have alrady played a game here while waiting for this to start so i definatly have an idea of whats going on.

vote snailman8

it seems to sus to come here and randomly vote someone out. Proberbly will change later but for now lets c what happens.

fos: sd_reaper, not even i voted for a person who hasnt even posted yet when i first played. Seems very noob scumy if u know what i mean considering u dont know him whatsoever.

I was serious but now im not because i understand that u need more info to do. But since there has been a lack in posting it seems its going to be a long long day lol.

[muffinhead]

Everyone is a saying that this game is slow due to lack of posting lol. I end up checking this site every couple hours looking for new info or perhaps posting myself. But, since this is my first game i find myself not knowing what to say. Kinda like this post itself lol.

I think i should get an avatar as well...lol

No thats only me saying that cause i love to whine lol. I havnt got an avatar either and i will worry about that later.

It seems odd that u dont know what to say cause when i was mafia that was exactly how i felt, but as a townie i can just say how i fell from my head.

based on that will

vote SD_reaper

untill i am conivinced u r not mafia

[muffinhead]

oh i forgot to ask what is a bandonwagon vote?

[muffinhead]

Ok cheers for the response, thats all i asked for

unvote

for now.

I am stil watching u though so u better get really nervous lol.

[muffinhead]

Thank you Xdaamno for the real explanation of bandwagoning. There is a big difference between what SD_Reaper said and Xdaamno and can be misleading.

FOS: SD_Reaper

. I only FOS because it could be you may have misunderstood yourself what it really was about, but I've got my eye on you.

Vote: muffinhead

After a vote and comment towards SD_Reaper. I found your quick belief in a non IC very questionable.

Ok cheers for the response, thats all i asked for

unvote for now.

I am stil watching u though so u better get really nervous lol.

Wishy-washy comments from newbs is scum mistake I see often.

.If u want to know, all i was asking for was a response and since i got one straight away i unvoted. It was bassically a testing vote. I am not scum, but whether u want to believe that or not is ur choice.

he seems to want the game to rush along from 1 night of inactivity;

The reason for this is because this is the only game im currently in. Also because i saw game 856 onto i think it is approx 80 votes.

Question for everyone. where is everyone from? I seem to be the only aussie here and i have just woken up to all the action. Everyone seems to be either a pom or a yankie so that explains alot. I try come on every 2hours during the day to proberbly find 1 extra message before i sleep that night.


Does that answer everyones questions? If not dot be afraid to ask.

[muffinhead]

I don't think that rishi is scum because of unvoting.

Anyways back to scum search. Can u explain this post spz? maybe a quote or 2 because it sounds very very sus.

[muffinhead]

I'd like to say that muffinhead's avatar is awesome. So very awesome.

I need to catch up a little in this game. Look for more thoughts in the next day or two.

cheers for the comments, it usually never fits onto the aviatar part but im so glad itdoes here

[muffinhead]

I don't think that rishi is scum because of unvoting.

Anyways back to scum search. Can u explain this post spz? maybe a quote or 2 because it sounds very very sus.

muffin - What do you find suspicious with it?

Well for me the question is WHAT ISNT sus about it?

I have had a look back at it and now i notice that plenty of people have unvoted.

not voting (5): muffinhead, Rishi, SD_Reaper, ting =), Twiglees

So rishi is not the only person to have unvoted which is a poor reason not to unvote somebody. Therefore this is made me believe that spz knows something none of us do and/or is trying to hide somthing from us. Finally because he isnt an ic i am assuming that it is a poor attempt to defend his partner in crime from being lynched.

Would everyone here agree that if spz is scum then rishi is as well and vice versa? I reckon lets all keep an eye out.

[muffinhead]

right, this is gonna be short and sharp cos I have places to be that arnt infront of the computer. Which is unfottunate, but it happens...

vote: muffinhead

FoS: SD_Reaper

Its way to early to be making calls like that in posts 62, 63.

Fair enough, by I'd like a little more explanation when you have time.

remember i havnt voted yet and will not vote on anyone untill i have a certain decision or explain otherwise.

Remeber i am sill waiting for a response from spz and the longer it takes the more sus i will become of it. ill post back in a minute.

[muffinhead]

I think muffinhead has stumbled upon something that i have found suspicious as well. I have had somewhat and eye on Rishi because of what i have seen as a fairly big scum tell also.

Rishi Wrote

unvote

Snailman8 is two votes away from being lynched, which is a bit early.
So, muffinhead, why the third vote on Snail?

Xdaamno was able to point out that it is obviously a good move to trade two mafia for one townie. Showing how Rishi's unvote is completely illogical and scummy.

Then finally for Spz to stick up for him it definately opens up the possibility that he knows something that we don't like muffinhead said. I believe that Spz definately made a noob scum tell by sticking up for him.
It is very likely that Spz and Rishi could be the two scum.

vote: Rishi

cuz i believe that since Spz made a, what i believe a noob tell, he will make more.

Ok lets look at this post, which he has made due to this.

Would everyone here agree that if spz is scum then rishi is as well and vice versa? I reckon lets all keep an eye out.

I was trying to look convincive here but the point of it was to get other oponions and to keep an eye out, however the very next post he wants to vote rishi off which to me looks suspicious as well.

This is the way i c it, sd had a vote earlier on him from me whch put the pressure on him. I wouldnt be suprised if he is agrreeng with me just the get on my good side.

So i beg the question,
y the vote straight away?

[muffinhead]

Do you think it's the kind of reach made by scum to get someone attacked, or a discussion sparking nitpick kind of reach?

You're one that pointed it out in the first place (if I'm not mistaken); what do you think?

I really don't like Muffin's 62 and SD's 63. Or their following posts.

I'm leaning scummy. That, or really bad play. It's just so blatantly scummy I'm not sure where to lean.

I dont understand how my post is scummy i really dont and now u have left without an explination. I am searching for scum clues and u call it bad play? U have alot of explaning to do.

So im just trying to spur conversation with bold claims, and possibly speed up the game.

Votes wouldnt speed up the game, its the amount of posts made and the amount off posts that give use an idea to whos scum. A quick game and a game with not as many posts is a big difference. The aim isnt to get into day 2 as quick as possible but to post as much as possible giving us the best chance to find out who is scum.

[muffinhead]

Quote:
So im just trying to spur conversation with bold claims, and possibly speed up the game.


Votes wouldnt speed up the game, its the amount of posts made and the amount off posts that give use an idea to whos scum. A quick game and a game with not as many posts is a big difference. The aim isnt to get into day 2 as quick as possible but to post as much as possible giving us the best chance to find out who is scum.

I misread what u wrote, my apologies.

U know u couldve spured up some conversation without voting, just an fos would do. Or u couldve asked even more questions instead of immdiatly voting. I smell a rat.

[muffinhead]

I think muffinhead has stumbled upon something that i have found suspicious as well. I have had somewhat and eye on Rishi because of what i have seen as a fairly big scum tell also.

Rishi Wrote

unvote

Snailman8 is two votes away from being lynched, which is a bit early.
So, muffinhead, why the third vote on Snail?

Xdaamno was able to point out that it is obviously a good move to trade two mafia for one townie. Showing how Rishi's unvote is completely illogical and scummy.

Then finally for Spz to stick up for him it definately opens up the possibility that he knows something that we don't like muffinhead said. I believe that Spz definately made a noob scum tell by sticking up for him.
It is very likely that Spz and Rishi could be the two scum.

vote: Rishi

cuz i believe that since Spz made a, what i believe a noob tell, he will make more.

Ok lets look at this post, which he has made due to this.

Would everyone here agree that if spz is scum then rishi is as well and vice versa? I reckon lets all keep an eye out.

I was trying to look convincive here but the point of it was to get other oponions and to keep an eye out, however the very next post he wants to vote rishi off which to me looks suspicious as well.

This is the way i c it, sd had a vote earlier on him from me whch put the pressure on him. I wouldnt be suprised if he is agrreeng with me just the get on my good side.

So i beg the question,
y the vote straight away?

Here is the difference I see. He thinks Rishi and Spz could be a scum team. You are saying asking if people would agree with it and saying you would keep an eye on it. I find your statement more leading with nothing said at all on why you felt they were scum without pigbacking on SD. As I say you are getting this from one comment? You both look scummie, but your post is fishing for others POV's without really giving much up yourself.

plz explain pigbacking and POV cause the sentence doesnt make sense to me, therefore i cannot respond, ty

[muffinhead]

Remeber i am sill waiting for a response from spz and the longer it takes the more sus i will become of it. ill post back in a minute.

Here's what I don't like about this statement. There could be a lot of reasons why spz hasn't posted, most of which have nothing to do with the game. He could be busy or he could have found out the game isn't as much fun as he thought it'd be, or he might have simply forgotten. Until we know that, it's really easy to pick on him, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
.

I know all that and was well aware of those possiblilties,
arrg i didnt want to say this but the point is to get him to respond if he sees the message, it doesnt make him more or less sus but now with all the questions have forced me to say this. Also if he wasnt coming back then wouldnt he ask for a replacement by now?

If we agree that muffinhead is a bad player, there are two schools of thought on this. One school says we try and see through the bad play and determine his alignment. Another school says that we just lynch him anyway, since, even if he's a townie, he'll be a liability to the town later in the game.

Now those r the 2 possiblilities, one is obviously a good idea and the other isnt. My facts maybe incorrect or i might be sus on somthing that isnt, however i might find 1 quote out of all of them which clearly gives us an idea of whose mafiascum. Correct me if im wrong but i have posted more then anyone else here making the most contributions possible. If chatting all the time gets me lynched, then so be it, hopfully evetually people will understand i will post as much as poissble of what i believe is sus whther i am scum or not. It may be bad play, but isnt this what newbe games r meant for?

So i beg the question,
y the vote straight away?

No snailman this wasnt meant for u it was meant for sd but cheers for ur response anyways lol.

well why didnt you vote? with serious allegations like that, even if it was just a charade, a vote would usually be appropriate. It seems to me like not voting was a bit of a planned fall back just incase things started to go wrong. Especially considering that earlier on you planted a vote on SD for that lasted all of one post. Tht action and your above comment are rather contradictory arnt they?

The reason i didnt vote was because this is no longer the rv stage and there isnt enough evidense to support it. After a couple of quick votes i believe i shouldnt make a decision otherwise the same thing would happen. As i said i am only going to vote after i am sure someone else is scum.

I hav to go so i havnt re0read over this s there could be some typos, if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.

peace out lol

[muffinhead]

plz explain pigbacking and POV cause the sentence doesnt make sense to me, therefore i cannot respond, ty

You basically agreed with SD and joined up on his comment rather quickly. POV is point of view.

If u had a look more carfully u would see that I made the comment and he agreed with me not me agrring with him. I understand how that looks sus and therefore thats y im sus of him.

[muffinhead]

Ok now instead of wasting more time proving my innocence i thought i would do my job in finding as many sus clues as possible and cause a new topic of conversation.

.

FOS: SD_Reaper

. I only FOS because it could be you may have misunderstood yourself what it really was about, but I've got my eye on you.

Vote: muffinhead

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right, this is gonna be short and sharp cos I have places to be that arnt infront of the computer. Which is unfottunate, but it happens...

vote: muffinhead

FoS: SD_Reaper

Its way to early to be making calls like that in posts 62, 63.

This could be just a coencidense however it could mean everything.

[muffinhead]

I don't have much time to post now, but in brief, my reasons for suspecting muffinhead were how convinced he sounded of rishi and spz for such a flimsy reason. If he'd said that it was just to spark discussion, I wouldn't have minded, but he sounded pretty convinced. Sd_reaper I don't quite like because he jumped along with muffin's idea, and he sounded even more convinced of rishi-spz than muffin was.

Seeing as how muffin has been pointing out lots of things on multiple people though, maybe it's just the way he plays, so I'm less bothered now. Sd hasn't chimed in a while though.

intresting, yes its currently the only way i know how to play and already i have learnt plenty of things so i will improve once i understand it all. As for that rishi spz thing i felt i had to look convinced to get a response. That obviously not being the case in the end i have realised its most likly hes not coming back which is a shame. Now i have moved on.

Meme I dont know the limits to how long u can be away but can i suggest a replacement for spz or at the very least a warning.

I can c a post saying that being gone a week is not enough to be replaced lol

Question: how can i play the game well and not get comments like this.

He is playing really badly, as someone pointed out.

I know it may be true but it just sucks to get such comments.

[muffinhead]

Ok first of all my apologies for not being on in a while, now lets get down to busness

Yah i havent posted in awhile lol. I read all the posts every day, in fact several times a day lol. But besides my previous suspicions, I havent found many significant clues to incriminate other people. Seems like for most of page four. People think its suspicious of mine and muffinheads claims lol. Yes, they are a bit of a stretch. There is not much here lately thats helping me get some good hard evidence lol. So I remain quiet and just observe.

This posy doesnt make sence whatsoever, espically with the amount of lols in that post. That by far looks like the most scumiest post yet in this game.

However I am not scum, whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you.

That is a post i made earlier on in the game with the exact same wording. Except when i said it, it was truthfull and i proberbly would believe it if it wasnt an exact copy of what i said. However It all looks like scum post to me. But for some reason i am not convinced hes scum. It looks like he is just attempting to make himself look inocent but in the process it just made it worse. I still believe he could be scum but i just have that feeling which keeps telling me he is innocent.

So if u want me to vote for sd, then by all means i will, just give me the nod and i will join. However i said i wouldnt vote untill im certain and thats y im not voting currently.

Just a question to twiggles

As my vote would put muffinhead would be L-1 and it is too early for that; I will FOS: muffinhead and Vote: SD_Reaper

How come it is to early for L-1? I believe its the 5th page and ive seen games finish on the 8th page.

[muffinhead]

Ok lets go 1 at a time, before i start igmeoy means

i got my eye on u.




anyways about twiggles

I'm fairly suspicious of muffinhead or SD_Reaper as well. Page 2/3, unless two people are playing the worst game of Mafia ever, is not the place to state that two people are scum together.

This quote u seemed convinced i was scum and I wasnt ever really close to being eliminated u couldve put a vote on me and it would be a quick win town., so couldve xdammo but ill get back to him later.

How come it is to early for L-1? I believe its the 5th page and ive seen games finish on the 8th page.

The games I have seen ending on page 8 are very lucky town wins (unlikely) or having a lynch on townie on day 1 and a quicklynch on day 2 ending the game for a scum win. Also, look at my post above; I thought it was 4 to lynch over 5 to lynch, so I miscalculated to number. I could switch my vote now; but SD_Reaper is a good candidate for a lynch in my opinion. Personally, saying you will only observe seems like lurking to me; you are better posting crap than remaining in silence. Also, my eyes hurt because of all the "lol"s posted in that post. I am more suspicious of SD_Reaper because he seems to be lurking a bit, while muffinhead is helping the town quite a bit.

Also u say that sd is lurking and yet i dont c u adding anything here either, all u have done is vote for the group, or agree with them, or answer asked questions. If u can name 2 things that u have EARLIER IN THE GAME
spotted in which no one else has then i will apologise and rest my case.

The vote on snail is because he randomly voted, when 3 or 4 players had also done so, too. Obviously a baseless vote, and clearly not random, and while muffin states states later he didn't know what the random voting stage was, like I said, other player did the same and didn't get as much attention from muffin. It looks like he's trying to make it so he (if you're not a he, I apologize, you have no listed gender) can't get called out on it later by saying 'i'll probably change later' (which is obvious. It's not like we'd think you were sticking on that player the whole game, so you're paranoid here).

He fos'd sd_reaper for the exact same reason, so I don't know why he voted snail over muffin. Possible bad logic as scum, possible distancing as scum.

A lot of his posts on page two are very jumpy; he's reacting a lot to other player's suspiscions and looks like he really dosen't want to be lynched, and is afraid of making mistakes. In post 74:

Well i was a complete noob then and have learnt alot since then, the first 2 pages of me r full of poor attempts to find mafia scum. It was my 2nd game ever and the previous one i was mafia, as i said that game had certain rules which made the rv stage pointless,


Question to xdaamo, y didnt u vote me if u thought i was mafia and i had 2 votes at the time? I then wouldve had 3 votes which u said urself was not a dangerous position.

Also how come u come out with all this info from pages 1 and 2 now when u couldve asked me then when i actually had votes and really apply the pressure to me and make me spill.

Mod

am i allowed to show a reference of that other game even if its still going?

QFT, though I would be wary of SD_Reaper being a townie who's not used to mafia; if that is the case, you'll probably need to know that arguments that basically say "I'm town, but the decision is up to you" for example (Basically arguments that have no real substance) are near-useless on mafiascum.

Xdaamno is right, of course. The "no lying" variation of Mafia would be a very boring game indeed.

Well u can call this extreme to c a noob disagreing with 2 ics but just because u say something doesnt mean thats what u r. Thats the whole bloody point of the game. I said myself i am not scum but how do u know that is the truth, how do u know its the same when sd says it.
Then u have to consider how convincing it sounds or how it obviously sounds like lying. The way i c it is that its all part of the game.

Anyways I just want to ask both rishi and xdammo how come it is so useless on maifascum? A bit more information may explain alot to me that i didnt consider so that is the point of the question.

oh and my apologies for not saying this earlier, i am a boy, and incase anyone ever asks me i am 14 years old.

questions for


Ok to rap it all up i have posted 3 different questions in 1 post which took me over 30 minutes and glad to get out of the way.

MOD

how come u cant have him replaced on a weeknd?

fos meme
lol joken, with all that posting i needed a laugh to finsish off.

[muffinhead]

SAID BY ME-

Also u say that sd is lurking and yet i dont c u adding anything here either, all u have done is vote for the group, or agree with them, or answer asked questions. If u can name 2 things that u have EARLIER IN THE GAME
spotted in which no one else has then i will apologise and rest my case.

SAID BY XDAAMO
That's craplogic. Once again, you're making your statements retractable to avoid being scummy. Also, as you may have noticed, I've had a spurt of unintentional inactivity, meaning I've had even less chance that some other players to provide content from a neutral understand of their activity, and yet I have done more than them. Example where I've "pointed out what others haven't found before" (which is, trust me, useless as an argument as originality =/= accuracy) include post 22, 48, 91, and, of course, 110 (Which I don't know why you don't want to include in this category). Still, like I said, activity isn't something I believe to be 100% correlated to scum likelyhood.

Ok this question above was based at twiggles not u xdaamo and i apologise for not mentioning a name, I already know that u have contributed more then anyone here even me proberbly.

So twiggles when u r next on dont forget the question is for u.


Anyways welcome to the game icemanE good to c u on at a decent time, just curious where r u from. Also haveu played this game before on another site? another curiousity question.

Plus, saying 3 votes isn't a dangerous position =/= wanting to get 3 votes on as many players as possible all the time. I'd only do that if I was scum, and if you're suggesting I am, that isn't a reason for me to be scum as it's a 'what if' scenario.

First of all i would like to thank you for actually answering the questions,
But correct me if im wrong but it seems as if u think that i think ur scum and will vote for u like i have done straight away in the past.

[muffinhead]

SAID BY ME-

Bah! I would like to hear more from others, as I'd expect the only reason I'm finding so many more things wrong with you is because you're the one posting so much; but criticising me for being lurkish and then doing a complete 180 and saying I've contributed most out of everyone here is buddying, and not a good way to win me over :/

First of all i never criticised u, I am asking questions and doing the best i can to find scum and u. Also it seems that when i said the orginal question was for twiggles its as if u think if changed the question at the last minute. I would go into detial but the same thing would happen i would explain then x would critisice me for rying to defend myself which isnt even the point.


anyways moving on

quote from sd

Hey iceman, hows it goin. Just welcoming you to the game and hope you have a fun time. Btw, i love deathnote and have seen every episode.

We have all been waiting for an explination or a contribution, and u come on here and say hi to icemam which is np, but then to be on and not explain urself? well it doesnt make sense to me espically if u arnt scum.

That's a good idea, I'll just lay out what I'm thinking so I can sort of, catch up, I guess.

Muffin - You seem too confident too really trust, and I agree with an early comment that it seemed like you were trying to rush the game along to get to the "night stage". You also mentioned that you were scum in your previous game and killed early on, you'd probably want this game to hurry along so you could get some action in if you were scum again since you missed your chance last time.

Rishi - I like that you withdrew the random Twig vote early in the game, I didn't know about the random vote stage but it seems smart to put out a vote then take it back to see who reacts.

SD - You genuinely seem to want to understand how to play which makes me somewhat suspicious, but also takes some of that suspicion away, tough to say where I stand on you right now.

Snail - I don't trust you, you're a Kiss fan, sorry.

Twig - You seem like you're actually new to this game, as you say, so I have to trust you at least a little, as I'm in the same situation. Also, you didn't seem too nervous when you were backed into a corner with 3 votes early in the game.

Xdaamno - You voted very early on Twig on a whim, I guess that's the random voting stage for you but it seemed a little suspicious.

I don't really have anything solid on Farside or Ting yet.

But I think based on what I've seem that I'm going to

Vote: Snail

because I just feel like he and X might have something going on between them, we'll see what comes up.

wow there r plenty of things i dont like there.

first of all u seem to want to agree with what spz has said when considering all the 6 pages of info u had to point out that it was smart to unvote rishi.

As for twig, he never wouldve been lynched on the 2nd page so he/she had no reason to feel the pressure to an extreme way.

I dont understand how xd votting for twig makes him sus when it was the rv stage, a little more explination

But most importantly y the vote for snail, so far u have said u dont trust him cause hes a kiss fan and also that he might be partnerd with xd, all of this without a proper explination.

So i ask politly, is there another reason for the snail vote? if so then y.

[muffinhead]

Hey Snail, nothing personal, the Kiss thing was just a joke. Looking back ath the forum it actually seems like, if anybody has anything going on with X, its muffin. It just seems like, if there are two mafia guys, they'd want to stick up for each other. On page 2:

Also, I did, of course, read muffinhead's post. It's obviously flawed logic but I don't see how a newbie making a mistake of not knowing there was a RV stage makes them scum.

Later X questions the vote for muffinhead:

Fair enough, by I'd like a little more explanation when you have time.

So I'll

unvote

for now, just a little joke.

So in response to Muffinhead's inquiries:

first of all u seem to want to agree with what spz has said when considering all the 6 pages of info u had to point out that it was smart to unvote rishi.

I'm not too sure what this means... if I'm mimicking spz, its not intentional, but I don't see the connection with the Rishi comment.

As for twig, he never wouldve been lynched on the 2nd page so he/she had no reason to feel the pressure to an extreme way.

This is my first game, I wasn't too sure how quickly these things sometimes progress... if I had to guess I'd say some games end rather quickly though, so perhaps it was a lack-of-experience-mistake - however, I still think that if someone can hold their cool under a vote like that it says something about them.

I dont understand how xd votting for twig makes him sus when it was the rv stage, a little more explination

I think anyone voting for anyone at any point is fairly suspicious and has to be considered, don't you?

But most importantly y the vote for snail, so far u have said u dont trust him cause hes a kiss fan and also that he might be partnerd with xd, all of this without a proper explination.

So i ask politly, is there another reason for the snail vote? if so then y.

Nah just a joke, and the way Snail reacted after I voted:

lol welcome aboard!

Aside from your mistrust of Kiss fans, what else have you seen that you dont like?

makes me think that perhaps he's not scum, i know that's a loose assumption but he seems pretty cool with being voted for.

So that's that. I'm going to

Vote: Muffinhead

You seem really, really defensive.

Well first of all u rarly vote for a joke, maybe at the beginning of a game but once a game has started and gone on for a couple of weeks like this one, it really doesnt have an effect.

Also not every vote is considered sus because at the start the votes usually dont have much effect.

Doesnt seem like smart play however it is ur first game like half of us here and i think that is the reason, we were all like that, u could also say i was far worse.

[muffinhead]

First of all iceman i suggest looking at the 1st page of this topic posted by snail, its really usfull and should answer some of ur questions.

Muffinhead; please state why you think that the circumstances have not changed enough for my earlier reasons to still be relevent.

Well on page 2 and 3 i was voted for asking all the questions and posting the most, i am still posting the most as u said. Also i believe it was page 3 where sd was agreeing directly after i posted and it took farside 2 more pages to figue that the very same then within a night all the votes on me were at sd. Thats y i dont think the situation has changed.

Rishi, now that I look back on it you seem to be even more suspicious than i thought. Since page 3 up till now, you have not posted anything insightful, defended yourself, or posted any of your suspicions. Even I, who doesnt post much (but plans in posting more), has stated some of my suspicions and and tried to defend myself. But it seems you arent contributing that much at all which means that you could either be a really inactive player in the game or you could scum who is just trying to be careful.

hmmm intresting post, but u still havnt explained urself

so i ask u to respond to this

give me a few reasons on y we shouldnt lynch u.

[muffinhead]

.Also u say that sd is lurking and yet i dont c u adding anything here either, all u have done is vote for the group, or agree with them, or answer asked questions. If u can name 2 things that u have EARLIER IN THE GAME
spotted in which no one else has then i will apologise and rest my case

Also twiggles i think u simply forgot to read this but this is question is for u in which i want answered plz.

[muffinhead]

ice did u read this?

I aslo advise no one of add additional votes onto the current SD_Reaper "wagon", for the lack of the better word, as Lynch -1 is still risky unless totally sure.

It doesnt seem like it cause look at this

Obviously this could go either way. The guy could be totally innocent

U say that it could go the other way and then, to me it looks like ur trying to come up with reasons just so nothing sus comes of u. In other words u came up with the reasons after u voted him only cause u were asked to.

This is from the first page, the random voting stage. So he's a new guy, and doesn't know what he's doing... but then he votes for someone who hasn't even posted yet? There's nothing unnecessarily "wrong" with that, but it just seems bizarre. Everything about this guy seems extremely fishy. Kill him.

Quote:
Hey everybody!!
yeah im one of the new guys lol (first online game)
nice to meet everybody:D
vote: Twiglees

Now that looks really scummy because u said urself u knew it was the rv stage so based on that i dont understand how u can call that scummy.

...seems like weak evidence, ignore it, but theres still a few inconsistencies to account for. It'll still take one more vote to kill you, and I'm not going to try to actively get you lynched. I said KILL HIM! in an earlier post, and I still think we should, but I'm not going to campaign any further against you, if people disagree with my experiment, then so be it.

So once u realised it was a poor reason u go into defense position and try defend urself. U r all of a sudden changing in a wishy washy way. Finally what is this experiment u have going? doesnt make sense that post to me.

All up to me this looks like a very scummy post. then what sd has wrote even though icemans a noob, he knew what he was doing and still made a mistake, to me u r no more innocent then sd.

[muffinhead]

Well for me iceman hasnt come up with a single good reason to vote anyone out.

1st up was snailman cause he wasnt a kiss fan

then me for being to defense imdiatly after voting snail, also i have posted more then anyone so i dont c how i can be defensive.

Then sd for rv on page 1

and straight away in all situations has gone defensive and unvoted immidiatly.



I am really keen to get an icemane vote however he is a noob and it simply could be bad play and i need to be certain before voting.

question for icemane. y shouldnt we lynch u first up?

[muffinhead]

Well for me iceman hasnt come up with a single good reason to vote anyone out.

1st up was snailman cause he wasnt a kiss fan

then me for being to defense imdiatly after voting snail, also i have posted more then anyone so i dont c how i can be defensive.

Then sd for rv on page 1

and straight away in all situations has gone defensive and unvoted immidiatly.



I am really keen to get an icemane vote however he is a noob and it simply could be bad play and i need to be certain before voting.

question for icemane. y shouldnt we lynch u first up?

Bah! My suspiscions are jumping all over the place, and I'm going to start again.

Vote: muffinhead

A) You're pretending iceman's kiss-based random vote was serious, which it obviously wasn't.

B) Posting isn't 100% correlated to how overdefensive you are, especially not inversly correlated.

C) You're talking about him as a n00b, in the third person, when you are yourself; false elitism. I do often think this is a scum tell.

D) You ask an impossible question of him that he can't possibly give a satisfactory answer to. If you're confident the question is fair, why shouldn't we lynch

you

first up?

to question D

Well of course ur not going to get a satisfactory answer, alothough the question could just give himself away.
and y u shouldnt lynch me? simply because i have contributed more and am determined to find scum. If we lynch a scum first up then we hav a massive advantage. Finally u asked the question and i answered it therefore u cant call me being overdefensive.



Ok so question for icemanE because i like to adress people with questions as u said lol,
anyways, who do u think now is most likely to be scum

I don't like how SD and muffinhead swooped in for the kill after I noted some suspicions of icemanE. The worst part is that they are mostly rehashing my arguments

Ok this doesnt make sense to me, how did i swoop in for the kill for asking questions to icemane? I wanted to c him under pressure and how he would respond to pressure. Also how did I rephase ur comment rishi when i said 3 times more then u

FoS My suspicions that i have stood by were that Rishi and Spz were scum, ( now IcemanE). It seems scummy to me that right when IcemanE gets a little bit of pressure someone jumps to defend him, not xdaamo, not twiglees, not ting,........but Rishi..hmmmmm

Now this really doesnt make sense, how come that throughout this whole game u have seen rishi as scum. Also how does defending icemanE make rishi scum. I have seen many situations where the ic wouldve voted off there noob partner in an attempt to not look sus, or at the very least ask a few more questions.

[muffinhead]

Ok so question for icemanE because i like to adress people with questions as u said lol,
anyways, who do u think now is most likely to be scum

X and SD

Why X? This is the first I've heard of this, I think.

EBWOP: Meant to say SD and Muffin, sorry.

FOS: Iceman

I know it's a mistake. It's just a mistake more likely to be made if you're making it up.

wow can someone tell me how to possibly get x mixed up with muffin? escpically considering i asked thequestion in the first place.

Now ive decided to make a list of scumtells for each person.

Xdammo- to me he has never really looked sus however as 1 of 3 ics i reckon he has the ability to pull it off as a scum. Correct me if im wrong but i believe he is most experienced and if he isnt scum then could be vital for the town.

Sd_reaper- Well me and him have been on a roller coaster ride. I feel as though he has made some horribly scummy looking comments. He very easiliy be scum and it looks like it however as i said previously i just have a thing telling me that he is not scum.

Twiggles- I dont believe he has posted enough however he seems to be a follower in voting along with the majority and hasnt contributed enough. But most importantly hasnt answered my qiestion i asked 2 pages ago and brought it up serveral times. However since there has been many sus noobs i find him least unlikly noob to be scum.

IcemanE- Well he came in and made some poor arguments but at least he has contributed plenty whether it is tue or not and that i am thankfull of. I am still very sus of even though I think i was worse in the first 2 pages and now im a changed man and i think thats where he is. However IGMEOY still lol i should use that phrase more often.

S8- well to me he hasnt contributed enough either and just like twiggles he has voted in the majority. If i had done this scumlist 3 pages back he would be right up on my scumlist because he started the game with 3 votes and didnt respond for approx 4 days. Then ever since has voted in a big group looking desperate for a lynch. He has gone quiet again however he has explained himself since and now i am less sus of him.

So question for s8- who besides sd do u think is most likly to be scum.

rishi- Well rishi has made a couple of odd statments and i have 1 i am still waiting for a response to. Also he has been corected by x on more then 1 acassion, but with this said i have seen nothing but town vibes, i cant c rishi being scum from here evne know hes an ic and most ics can pull t off from no where i cant picture rishi being scum.

as for ting and faside they both havnt posted enough however farside said he would be back in a couple of days and has at least explained himself.
So farside once u come back i hope to c u post very frequently.

[muffinhead]

wow can someone tell me how to possibly get x mixed up with muffin? escpically considering i asked thequestion in the first place.

maybe i did that on purpose, the world will never know

Wow thanks for the obvious giveaway. I know u wouldnt make such a comment cause if u done that by accident u would explain urself cause thats what u have done every other time.

mod

i sceond a prod on ting becausehe was on here 2 hours ago and didnt repond so he can cerntainly get to the internet.

EBWOP: the "your" in "your still high on my list" refers to muffin

just from curiousity what have i done recently to look scummy? U keep pointing out stuff without an explination. U have barly contributed to finding clues. Nothing personal but if u dont have the time can u request to be replaced? we just need as much and clue finders as possible to find scum. Also can u explain how rishis commen makes him fishy? doesnt make sense to me.

Just a question how do u quote old things which are so far back in which they r not in the topic review below without double posting?

[muffinhead]

ok rishi this is the question i asked

I don't like how SD and muffinhead swooped in for the kill after I noted some suspicions of icemanE. The worst part is that they are mostly rehashing my arguments

Ok this doesnt make sense to me, how did i swoop in for the kill for asking questions to icemane? I wanted to c him under pressure and how he would respond to pressure. Also how did I rephase ur comment rishi when i said 3 times more then u

[muffinhead]

Wow thanks for the obvious giveaway. I know u wouldnt make such a comment cause if u done that by accident u would explain urself cause thats what u have done every other time.

I meant for that to be ironic, guess it didn't work. It was a mistake.


wow i dont like this comment. Im unconvinced due to the orginal post and once again u r trying to cover it up. Im getting all sorts of vibes.

[muffinhead]

Also, I'd turn the vibrator off if it's that much of a problem.

lol

[muffinhead]

how come u have been gone for so long,

[muffinhead]

wow, no one has really been posting in the last three days.

hmm thats odd

mod

request prod farside22 because he said he would be back by the 8th and still hasnt returned, also what happens to ting, i dont believe he has possted enough and still should be replaced cause that post meant nothing.


Anyway a question to twiggles since i dont hear much from him,
who here do u think r the lilkly people to be scum. This is because i dont believe u have contributed enough and when i asked u to a couple of pages ago u still havnt done so.

[muffinhead]

@muffin.

You haven't exactly been very active lately either, and I did say I'd post my reasons in 3 days.

Me not being very active? i have posted here on just about every single day and im not active enough? that is a very poor excuse and a really suspicsious one.. Fair enough that u have homework and projects but if u r going to be gone for over a week then i recommend u get a replacement in not that its personal but we need to get more posts in this game.

A post is a post. It doesn't matter what it says.

Well it sucks but i totally understand it. It might even be possible that ting is just buying time.

This may seem odd to say; but this game may well need a deadline.

It does seem odd to say cause it seems u want to get a move onto day 2 which is usually a scummy move. However i understand that there hasnt been enough posting for the last 3 days. Therefore i reckon we should request to prod more people, eg x hasnt been on in all of those 3 days and if he doesnt come on within 48 hours a suggest to prod him.

I'm waiting for farside to come back. I want to hear her thoughts. I will likely vote soon afterwords.

I dont want to look pressurizing but i hope u post alot farside when u return.

[muffinhead]

mod request prod s8

It has drastcally died down, therefore based on that i offically decleaer that im no longer voting only when im 100% their scum because we really need to get things happening.

[muffinhead]

np snail in fact i ty because at least since u cant make it u have done the next best thing possible and if u have tried to be on as much as possible then thats all we can ask of u.

[muffinhead]

@muffin.

I never said that you're not active enough, hardly, you're probably the most active player in this game. What I meant, is that your posting has slowed down too, everyone's has.

@Ice.
I've read your explanations. I was looking for a

reaction

. Those are different.

I think we've gotten as much discussion as we possibly can day 1. Unless anyone has anything else they want to discuss, I propose we start casting our votes.

ting all ive seen from u is getting reactions lets c this was to get a reaction, that was to get a reaction, I want to know who u think here is most likly to be scum and y. There is plenty more discussion we can get, espically from u sinceits impossible to know anything about u, also to know u r eager to finish the day and since i am consideriing voting u

fos ting

Anyways i thought about revealing this info after the end of day 1 however i will do this know since we cant decide on lynch 1. This is who everyone has voted for.

Note- the first lot r the newbes here who r in their first game.

Sd_reaper- twiggles,rishi,icemane

twiggles- ting=),Sd_reaper,

icemanE(and spz) - twiggles,Snail,muffinhead,Sd_reaper,Sd_reaper,



These r the people who r more experienced

rishi- s8

farside22- s8,muffinhead,Sd_reaper

snailman- ting=),muffinhead,Sd_reaper

xdaamno- ting,rishi,muffinhead

ting=)- twiggles

Now looking at these stats is very intresting and i want all to make their theories whether they can get any info out of this (espically ics).

Intrstingly enough icemane even though the first vote was made by spz has made the most amount of votes. Also ting has made the least (even less then me).

Now u may be asking me y did i seperate them into experienced and first timers?

Well i heard as a fact that newbies will NOT vote their fellow scum partner out. I believe this because when i was scum on another game they used this to find out who isnt scum even though i only placed 2 votes in. Also because it was very true and i literally had no intentions of voting partners out.

Anyways if this theory is correct then only 1 newbe can possibly be scum. This is because all the newbes hav voted each other as u can c above.

Now what sucks to be anoob is that u dont know what an ic would do in this situation. I have looked back and other newbe games and in the majority of games where a noob and an ic are partners, the ic has at some time in the game voted his partner (not necessarerly lynch but that has been done also).

Now i dont have time unfortunatly to really go through it but i would like anyone who can help out using the info above to c if they can discover scum clues. Cause im out of time i hvnt re-read therfore there could be mistakes.

[muffinhead]

mrzero replaces Snailman8, effective immediately.

Man, he's gonna have some catching up to do.

I working as quickly as my n00b brain can, about halfway through, but lets

unvote

in case Snailman didn't.

Hopefully I'll have something meaningful to post soon [/b]

just like u had heaps ice.

Hi there welcome to mafia. First of all i recommend u read this whole game and geet ur suspicions and if u r still struggling then i suggest u read over other games which r already finished to get an idea of what scum look like and how they react to certain situations.

So when/if u do that then post ur oponion on who u think is most likly to be scum and y.

I hope u enjoy ur time here.

[muffinhead]

@muffinhead
how come in your post you do not include yourself and the people you have voted for?

because i made the topic and know my innocence therefore i dont find it nescessary however u can do it urself about me if u want.

Ok i dont like this

Yes I am prodded. I will look throught this and hope to have something for you tomorrow. Sorry

that was 3 days ago then today

I'm here, just give me till tomorrow to weigh in.
Thanks

It only takes 30 minutes to evaluate and if u cant do that then i suggest u request to get a replacement in.


and to xdaamo- do u still think i am scum, if so then y. If not then who do u think is most likly currently to be scum and y, also y do u still have a vote on me if thats the case.

[muffinhead]

Well apprently as a fact generation y (teenagers like me) tend to me very impatient and self centered. That proberbly best describes me lol.

Anyways i would love to sign up for another newbe game however its apprently 1 nwbie game at a time which sucks cause this is my favourite (proberbly cause its the only one people think im innocent lol). The big games r to fast and i dont c a short game thats intresting for me.

[muffinhead]

Actually...

Vote: SD_Reaper

I especially don't like his post, which could be distancing where he's trying to set himself up as a confirmed townie if IcemanE is scum. Seems fishy even though I think IcemanE is town.

Plus there's this little gem from just a few minutes ago:

If im really number one on yours and another persons scum list then this gonna bad for town.

An appeal to emotion, rather than logic, is often a scumtell.

Unvote

That was the right thing to do, SD, if you really are the doctor.

If SD is lying, and there is a real doctor in the house, then now is the time to counterclaim.

In any case, let's not lynch anyone until we can talk this out.

I dont know whther this is really good or really bad. An ic immdiatly unvoting however for the right feelings. However it got plenty of information out and important info as well. This is where i wish i was an ic cause i could answer that question for myself.

Maybe Im just playing this game badly. But even if i get lynched or killed I want town to win. And lynching a townie and having anothe rkilled at night is gonna be detrimental to town. Therefore, as much as i hate to do it this early. I am town and claim a power role. I am the doctor, although this probably seals my fate, we have a better chance of lynching scum. So someone unvote before this valuable information goes to waste

Sd i must say u have done a very good thing and i will explain on day2 my reasons. Also I think Sd needs so kind of reward now that officialy everyone in this game has at some stage voted for him lol.

Anyway I am no longer concered about sd and icemane, because after this doctor thing we will have preety much all the info we can out of them and considering there it is impossible for them to be scum partners i am looking towards most experienced players.

Let look at the ics

rishi
faside
xdaamo
ting (i c him as one)

Now one of these and mrzero r scum. (maybe 2 of them but highly doubt)
I explained my reasonsings on the previous page.

To me ting looks most sus cause he hasnt really been around and since he has he hasnt made the best defense/explination.

However I feel vibes coming from X (well i felt like the for most of this game) but most recently

Direct questions like this are hard to answer. I don't have anyone I'm convinced is scum at this point. My vote isn't on you for any good reason at the moment, if it is.

The whole post is fine except for the first sentence which i hate. A question is a question i get asked them u get asked them everyone does. U have somthing against me asking questions when its for the sake of information considering its the only post in 2 pages.
U also said that u usually have a clear idea of who scum is but u dont. I wouldnt be suprisd if that makes u scum.

Anyways farside and ting, i apologise if i have rushed u however i dont have enough info to make an asumption and that is the reason i have been asking for u to post more offten

ps, congrates to faside for being pregnat if its true and thanks for making me look terrible trying to hurry a pregnat girl to come on a game for fun lol.
ok gtg, didnt read, ask me questions if nesscessary.

[muffinhead]

[
Let look at the ics

rishi
faside
xdaamo
ting (i c him as one)

Now one of these and mrzero r scum. (maybe 2 of them but highly doubt)
I explained my reasonsings on the previous page.

Can I ask why you're calling me scum?

I c what u thought i meant but i never said u were scum i said u were part of the list because the person u replaced Snailman had experienced and would be part of the list. The wording of it looked wrong so i c what u were thinking.

Also icemane I believe what he said because if hes wrong and ur town ice, then hes gone next. Also Sd cant lie so thats y i believe him.

[muffinhead]

To answer tings answer briefly yes it was post 250

Anyways i thought about revealing this info after the end of day 1 however i will do this know since we cant decide on lynch 1. This is who everyone has voted for.

Note- the first lot r the newbes here who r in their first game.

Sd_reaper- twiggles,rishi,icemane

twiggles- ting=),Sd_reaper,

icemanE(and spz) - twiggles,Snail,muffinhead,Sd_reaper,Sd_reaper,



These r the people who r more experienced

rishi- s8

farside22- s8,muffinhead,Sd_reaper

snailman- ting=),muffinhead,Sd_reaper

xdaamno- ting,rishi,muffinhead

ting=)- twiggles

Now looking at these stats is very intresting and i want all to make their theories whether they can get any info out of this (espically ics).

Intrstingly enough icemane even though the first vote was made by spz has made the most amount of votes. Also ting has made the least (even less then me).

Now u may be asking me y did i seperate them into experienced and first timers?

Well i heard as a fact that newbies will NOT vote their fellow scum partner out. I believe this because when i was scum on another game they used this to find out who isnt scum even though i only placed 2 votes in. Also because it was very true and i literally had no intentions of voting partners out.

Anyways if this theory is correct then only 1 newbe can possibly be scum. This is because all the newbes hav voted each other as u can c above.

Now what sucks to be anoob is that u dont know what an ic would do in this situation. I have looked back and other newbe games and in the majority of games where a noob and an ic are partners, the ic has at some time in the game voted his partner (not necessarerly lynch but that has been done also).

Now i dont have time unfortunatly to really go through it but i would like anyone who can help out using the info above to c if they can discover scum clues. Cause im out of time i hvnt re-read therfore there could be mistakes.

Ting i dont remember saying that 2 ics couldnt be scum i said it was unlikly at the time because it was between sd and icemane.

Ive coppied this exactly out of the quote but this is the reason 2 newbes cannot possibly be scum partners.

Well i heard as a fact that newbies will NOT vote their fellow scum partner out. I believe this because when i was scum on another game they used this to find out who isnt scum even though i only placed 2 votes in. Also because it was very true and i literally had no intentions of voting partners out.

If u look up sd,icemane and twiggles have at some stage voted each other. Therefore if my theory is correct then only a maximum of 1 newbe (unless zero is scum) can be scum. That is y i have been focusing on the more experienced.

As u can c, best case scnario, icemanE is lynched and is mafia then there r 4 people who cant be his partner.

Since i have put out this theory i have been more focused on getting info out of the ics. I cant imagine rishi being scum. farside and ting i dont have enough info on, and X i get scum vibes from and have had them for quote a while. In fact i havnt seen x in ages.

Does that answer any questions?

[muffinhead]

Well i heard as a fact that newbies will NOT vote their fellow scum partner out. I believe this because when i was scum on another game they used this to find out who isnt scum even though i only placed 2 votes in. Also because it was very true and i literally had no intentions of voting partners out.

If u look up sd,icemane and twiggles have at some stage voted each other. Therefore if my theory is correct then only a maximum of 1 newbe (unless zero is scum) can be scum. That is y i have been focusing on the more experienced.

Haha, that's a really weak theory, and it obviously isn't a FACT that noob scum partners don't vote each other out - by the definition of the word fact, its not a fact, nor can it possibly be a fact, so your theory is more or less entirely debunked.

Its not certain and if i said that i apologise but i c it as a very likly theory considering thats how i thought in that match where i was scum. Thats y i split it into experience and newbes cause the newbes have never played it before.

[muffinhead]

I love when scum panic with one vote against them.

You're a maniac, man. I'm trying to figure out how this game works, relax.

Iceman, you do seem to be playing newbie more than before for the sake of empathy at this point.

Vote: icemanE

I'm aware you're at L-1.

This i find quite true so have a look back at his posts this page.

At the top there were THREE posts which started with haha, which is like sd and his lol post.
Then his question which i thought he woudve known considering he is in another game and u can look that up in other games. Just the possiblility he already knew that and was trying to change the conversation.

You're a maniac, man. I'm trying to figure out how this game works, relax

Haha, man, you're funny. I'm town, kill me and find that out for yourself cause this board is awful

u have as farside said fustrated and sarcastic. However i dont know whether that makes him more town or more scum because i know i certainly got fustrated and i was only at L-2.

[muffinhead]

Oh and u should know that we dont hate u whasoever, we just find u most suspicious which is part of the game incaase u didnt know.

[muffinhead]

I must agree that over the last 3 pages X has looked very sus. He has avoidied my questions (possibly delibratly) hasnt posted alot but when he has it has been on poor reasoning and still has an unansered queestion from me, he has posted twice since and has not even talked bout it.

Quote:

Right now i am still debating on what i did was a good idea or not. Because this limits the possible senarios. The scum know right now that if they have a roleblocker then there is a cop. If there is no roleblocker than there is no cop. Although we have saved one townie, the mafia currently have more information than us town. I hope i did the right thing.

question who said this quote above, i have looked over the last 3 pages and cant find it.

Anyways i disagree with ur reasoning because it also lets the cop (if there is one) know since he exists then we know there is a rollblocker. Also people who never considered that like me now no so if we lynch a cop or
roleblocker we know there is the opposite in the game.


Ur reasoning for me doesnt make sense either. How on earth is me posting more and asking questions going to benefit the scum? the way i c it i am better off asking questions about everyone and looking at who i get a week,poor, scummy response from.

[muffinhead]

How on earth is me posting more and asking questions going to benefit the scum?

It benefits YOU if YOU are scum (which, as I said, I'm not sure of) because it takes all the heat off of you and puts it on other people, since you're asking the questions and demanding the answers, that's all.

Ice i re-read
Ice if i was scum i wouldve been lynched by now because i wouldnt be able to ask such questions because under the pressure. because i have posted so much it just never wouldve happened.

THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE- I ask everyone a question to get more information out of them, some replies will make them look like town others scum. But even for an ic scum I assume its not easy to be asked a dirrect question and look innocent, u might not look sus, but it wont make u anymore town if u know what i mean. So in asking questions i and the town have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[muffinhead]

How on earth is me posting more and asking questions going to benefit the scum?

It benefits YOU if YOU are scum (which, as I said, I'm not sure of) because it takes all the heat off of you and puts it on other people, since you're asking the questions and demanding the answers, that's all.

Ice i re-read
Ice if i was scum i wouldve been lynched by now because i wouldnt be able to ask such questions because under the pressure. because i have posted so much it just never wouldve happened.

THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE- I ask everyone a question to get more information out of them, some replies will make them look like town others scum. But even for an ic scum I assume its not easy to be asked a dirrect question and look innocent, u might not look sus, but it wont make u anymore town if u know what i mean. So in asking questions i and the town have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

...huh? How would you have been lynched by now if you were scum? Whoever is scum is still alive, obviously, so how does your being alive prove you aren't scum? That makes absolutely no sense, and being scum does not restrict you from asking questions. The fact that you have not been found out as scum yet does not prove that you aren't.

I am saying i am not skilled enough to pull it off. I meant that i wouldnt be able to ask such skilled questions without looking horribly sus. I never said that because i havnt been lynched doesnt mean im innocent. Whether or not u chose to believe is up to u.

just wondering if u read this

THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE- I ask everyone a question to get more information out of them, some replies will make them look like town others scum. But even for an ic scum I assume its not easy to be asked a dirrect question and look innocent, u might not look sus, but it wont make u anymore town if u know what i mean. So in asking questions i and the town have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[muffinhead]

I dont know whether I should put the final vote on or not. Over the last 2 pages iceman has contributed the most info and has posted more then me. If he was town and lynched then he would be a big loss.

Ok lets go by ur theory icemane, u have posted the most therefore i should vote u because u have posted most and therefore tried to draw attention from u.

Obviously i dont believe in that theory above

if icemanE was a townie, his reaction would be to call me scum for the vote over a relatively weak reason.

Rishi this doesnt make sense to me. Could u further explain y he would call u scum if hes town?

Does no one have any other suspicions?

If we were to go into day 2 right now then X would be at the top of my list because over the last 3 pages his attitutde has totaly changed. Hasnt posted as much and when he has its been with poor reasoning.

Anyways i said it would be really usefull to find icemane as scum as we know where to go on day 2. I am willing to put the final vote on just give me the nod.

[muffinhead]

So the post being with:

I dont know whether I should put the final vote on or not. Over the last 2 pages iceman has contributed the most info and has posted more then me. If he was town and lynched then he would be a big loss.

And ends with:

Anyways i said it would be really usefull to find icemane as scum as we know where to go on day 2. I am willing to put the final vote on just give me the nod.

So did you change your mind while you were writing the post or something? You don't express that in the post... in fact, the only thing you have to say about it is:

Ok lets go by ur theory icemane, u have posted the most therefore i should vote u because u have posted most and therefore tried to draw attention from u.

Obviously i dont believe in that theory above

So... I suppose I don't understand what you're trying to say here. You say: "I'm not sure I should vote for him because he might be town" to "Here's a reason I'm suspicious of you... but actually not" to "I'll vote for him if you want me to". ???

Well read the first sentence and that tells u how im thinking. Then i point out the pros and cons. I say heres a reason im suspecious of u and hes a reason im reluctant to voting u. Does that help

[muffinhead]

Hi welcome to the game metalic, hope u enjoy it here.

First up i am not gonna put 15 pages of info up thats tough and thats for u to read lol. If someone else does so (which i doubt it) then there u go.

Those were the last words of Ned Kelly.

all i can say about that is thank god im not the only aussie here.

[muffinhead]

Secondly, you are getting more suspicious that you would forget that i am doctor, it was not some small post, we had like a whole page. So your unvote and vote swap is just as suspicious as when iceman mistaked your name for i think muffinhead.

Yeah, I agree. How do you miss the claim? I'd like to hear answers from both Xdaamno and Metalic on this.

I had a fuzzy memory. I remembered the doc claim talk, just forgot SD was the one it claimed. Anyway, what are you suggesting? I'm trying to pretend there was no claim, therefore confuzzling the town and winning the game as scum?

Good point. I don't know how many games you're in, but I've done this before too. But my point is that, if you are forgetting about the claim and have a "fuzzy memory" with respect to this game, then why should we put any faith in your scumdar?

Well considering sd was on L-1 i would imagine it to be difficult to forget, however i cant imagine rishi saying such a thing if it hadnt happened to her so i would have to go with x here.

Or you could be scum and just knew i was doc all along and came up with some lame excuse to vote for me.

Even if x was scum i couldnt imagine him doing such a thing so i highly doubt it.

i must say this quote below is a good point

you are getting more suspicious that you would forget that i am doctor, it was not some small post, we had like a whole page. So your unvote and vote swap is just as suspicious as when iceman mistaked your name for i think muffinhead.

Finally i cannot believe that ice has gone 24 hours without a post lol its time for celebration.

[muffinhead]

ok i have just reviewed this argument

Farside and SD_Reaper are on my scumdar for the same reason; a main subconscious or conscious tactic of scum is to skim around arguments, try not to offend people and avoid the limelight, of course.

X that is a really poor argument consdering that there r others here that have skimmed around and avoided trouble just as much if not more then farside and sd.
eg twiggles,ting,metalic and even me.

I'm saying that you should try and keep your eyes open to all possibilities. If iceman is lynched and is mafia, anyone could be his partner

I must have missed it when I skimmed earlier

The way i see it u are just desperate to find a reason to get rid of sd and now farside because u just remebered sd was doc. This seems to be ur only contribution recently which is totally useless anyways. U have continually voted as if u were hoping for a bandonwagon then unvoted only when people have asked u to. For this reason u seem the most desperate to lynch someone and u dont seem to care who.

U said urself u usually have found scum by now but just cant for some reason. Well i think its clear that its because u r scum.

vote xdaamno

[muffinhead]

This is what I get for finding half my evidence

after

I've decided on my vibes; flimsy arguments ._.

I don't think it's crap reasoning, however. You've danced around a lot of points, farside, without really 'offending' anyone per se; the reason I'm jumping on myself is I do this a lot, as scum, and I'm trying to change it as it's so obvious to me */meta*.

Still, regardless of my obvious inattentiveness, this whole wagon on me is bs, that I can tell. There's been so many less points made so far with hardly any substance; do you really think me making an effort here is scummy? I mean, my vote

was

for pressure, not LOL FARSIDE WAGON '08.

It just seems to obvious for an ic to do this out of pure furstration, therefore i think its a total act.
then to say this

Above post has no substance, ignore it

I really cant imagine X as an ic saying any of this if he was a townie. He may argue farsides point, but to post such a sarcastic post?

This is the first time i can say this throughtout the match. We have found certain scum.

[muffinhead]

I think i have been calling rishi a she. Im actually shocked to hear that. If thats the case then i do apologise. What next, icemane is also a girl? lol.

[muffinhead]

This is what I get for finding half my evidence

after

I've decided on my vibes; flimsy arguments ._.

I don't think it's crap reasoning, however. You've danced around a lot of points, farside, without really 'offending' anyone per se; the reason I'm jumping on myself is I do this a lot, as scum, and I'm trying to change it as it's so obvious to me */meta*.

Still, regardless of my obvious inattentiveness, this whole wagon on me is bs, that I can tell. There's been so many less points made so far with hardly any substance; do you really think me making an effort here is scummy? I mean, my vote

was

for pressure, not LOL FARSIDE WAGON '08.

It just seems to obvious for an ic to do this out of pure furstration, therefore i think its a total act.
then to say this

Above post has no substance, ignore it

I really cant imagine X as an ic saying any of this if he was a townie. He may argue farsides point, but to post such a sarcastic post?

This is the first time i can say this throughtout the match. We have found certain scum.

Also, I'm reconsidering muffin as scum for the fact you're suddenly labelling me 'certain scum' over something which, as I stated, could easily implicate me as town, which kinda renders the 'certain' bit a lie, right?

Its not just that x. Over the whole match ive had vibes with u. U seem to be more moody then anyone else. Before anyone had voted u, u would just causually hang around and put a vote on a person then unvote whenno one joins in and vote the next person to c what happens. All of a sudden u have a vote on u and suddenly u have gone crazy and gotten really po. Now as it has put u in worse position u have goon back to calm and ask questions without going over the top.

Now I am not 100% that u r scum because u can never be in this type of game (unless u r a cop) however i am more certain of u being scum the anytime in the game currently.

EBWOP on 436: I will be drasticly inactive to the days running up to Sixth of May, as I have my Standard Gtade English exam on that date so I need to practice

we really need more from u twiggles.

[muffinhead]

mod prod ting

dunno but i have seen him/her active in other games. Proberbly doing to many games at one time.

[muffinhead]

wow alot of info since i last posted. I might miss some info because i dont have much time to post.Good stuff lets keep it up.

Firstly, pressuring people is not scummy,

omg X I NEVER said u were pressuring. I believe u r just desperate to lynch somebody therefore u try everyone hopping that people will join in with u. Thats what i meant.

There are other posts, like when Ice started growing a bandwagon, that Rishi deflected attention away from Ice.

And now, we have both of them conveniently unvoting each other. I'm not saying that they should both keep going at each other's throats just because. My take on the whole thing, if they're both scum, is that rishi did the whole costumary distancing dance early on, but was keen enough to push the spotlight away from ice once he started getting pressure.

Now i cannot imagine ice and rishi as partners. They wouldve given too much unecessary info away and they would both look clearly scummy by now.

I'm also considering the possibility of rishi-xdaamno.

no chance for the opposite reason. The 2 of them have agreed with each other through the entire match. As 2 ics being scum partners, that just wouldnt happen because it would be too obvious.

Ok this game has been very long considering were still on day 1, and also we still have no one who looks like clear scum.

Currently my top 4 suspects in order would have to be

x for obvious reasons

ting because of the lack of info and the difficulty of detecting scum.

Twggles because of the same reasons as ting except less sus purly based on the fact he is less experienced. Otherwise in the exact same boat as ting.

IcemanE- has looked scummy since he entered and was on L-1 so we always have to consider him. But he has contributed the most for the last week and for that he would be a big lose if he was town, and thats y he isnt higher.

[muffinhead]

Wow, So much has happened within 24 hours.
first off

mod prod matalic as he hasnt been here in ages

so long i completely forgot about him.

Wow its a dang there is still no reading on anyone. I still could explain why i dont like Xdaaminos posts but 1- i dont have the time currently
2- I have explained enough sitatuions of him therefore i dont think it will get us anywhere for now. However Over the last 2 pages u for once havnt dodged the scnario and answered it with plenty of votes. I have most definatly still igmeoy but untill i see another horrible post i think we should see what we can find elesewhere.

Now i cant believe we r back on sd, he sure looks scummy but as rishi said with the risk of lynching a doctor i dont think its worth it on day 1.

Heh. I think buddying is one of the best scum tactics out there. But, it's a bad tactic to buddy up to a person who may be lynched soon. If I were scum and was going to buddy, I'd pick someone likely to survive to the endgame.

For you newbs, buddying is when a scum agrees a lot with a townie and starts to defend them. That townie then feels good about that and starts to gain a positive impression of the scum. It's really quite effective.

Isnt this somthing u and farside have done the whole game rishi,

But, it's a bad tactic to buddy up to a person who may be lynched soon.

No. Scum can buddy up to the others with no risks because they're pretty sure, in fact, too sure, of who's town. This is the second time you've buddied up to someone and been 'sure' that they're town. If either iceman or xdaamno get lynched and turn out town, you can point back and go, 'see, i was right!' No town player can be so sure of who else is town.

WHAT? so ur saying that if a person buddies up and agrees with someones facts which are incorrect therefore they were voted off because of those poor reasons, that makes them look better? What if scum done that to sd or iceman earlier when they were on L-1. Well i suppose this is a newbe game. But what if In the end neither were lynched like in sds and icemans scnario therefore it could totally it could totally come back to hanut the scum?

All this indecisiveness just shows how practically none of us are confident in our votes.

It might be that both scum are already on the wagon and can't convince anyone else to place a vote to hammer. Or it might be that xdammno really is scum and his partner isn't comfortable with bussing him.

----

.

This is what i really dont like, I thought u would know the fact that it wouldnt be smart for scum to put the final vote on somebody anyway because if that person turned up scum, then we all know who to lynch when day 2 comes around.
For me the only reason why its so difficult to find scum is because half the people havnt talked enough and therefore we do not have enough information on, people like ting,twiggles,matlaic and farside. I mean to have 20 pages go past and still be back to level 1 surely means that at least 1 of those people are scum.

So your suspicions are based solely on the fact that you can't get a read on me

No they are based on the fact that u have posted the least amount yet with so very few posts earlier, every time u do post like the one above, it is on poor reasoning.

based on this i will

unvote, vote ting

[muffinhead]

No. Read my post again. Scum KNOW who is town. If they buddy up to a townie who ends up getting lynched, they look better. Or worse if you decide to wifom yourself.
Read my post again. It will not come back to haunt the scum. Let's take SD for example.

If he's town and gets lynched, ice and xdaamno will look VERY bad day 2. Me, farside, you, rishi, will look better day 2 because we were defending him. Obviously, either ice or xdaamno might just be misguided, or one of us might be scum who did it to look better, but it doesn't change that we look better.


Now, for scum, since they ALWAYS know who is town, it's always the first scenario for them. If a townie's lynched is inevitable, they can just defend the townie anyway, just to be suspicion free the next day.

If he's scum and gets lynched, ice and xdaamno look good. We look bad for 'buddying' up to him.

Wow thats acutally a very good point suprisingly. I now understand what u meant. Thank u for ur explanation and for now untill i have a clearer mind i will

unvote

Anyways have a look at this i posted 2 day ago

for ting

I'm also considering the possibility of rishi-xdaamno.

I responded

no chance for the opposite reason. The 2 of them have agreed with each other through the entire match. As 2 ics being scum partners, that just wouldnt happen because it would be too obvious.

When i get on the next day look what i see for rishi

Vote: Xdaamno

Well in this case it was understandable because X looked really scummy at the time

But look what happened yesterday

rishi said

Heh. I think buddying is one of the best scum tactics out there. But, it's a bad tactic to buddy up to a person who may be lynched soon. If I were scum and was going to buddy, I'd pick someone likely to survive to the endgame.

For you newbs, buddying is when a scum agrees a lot with a townie and starts to defend them. That townie then feels good about that and starts to gain a positive impression of the scum. It's really quite effective.

I responded saying this

Isnt this somthing u and farside have done the whole game rishi,

Now i get on today to see this from rishi

Vote: farside22

Now i know farside hasnt proven himself and he is still unknown but comon rishi that looks horribly scummy. To do it once was one thing,to do it twice in a matter of days looks odd. Well I know that rishi has contributed huge. Therefore he was due to make some sort of scummy post.

But still it looks horrible from my perspective.

Why is X not the play? Forgive me, but I stated his comment and actions are crap. He wants to lynch a claimed doctor! Are we nuts that this is okay?! Sure SD is playing terrible and I can't believe X leading the charge against a claim doctor is ok in anyone's book. My vote stays.

Wow farside u r doing an X here with ur pointless sarcasium. The difference is X has at least put the time to explain his actions while u havnt whatsoever. For that we hav to give X a little respect but that still doesnt mean hes off the hook. Well definatly not by my standards.

[muffinhead]

Well not much to say currently, we definatly shouldnt lynch sd today as he clamied doc. Now just thinking about it if i was scum and i was in sds position i would claim cop, not doc. This is based on the fact that cop has a more important role. Just a thought that came to mind.

The only problem is, what if we get to day 3 and we have no idea who the other scum partner is? Even if we're convinced at that stage that SD is scum,

simple, lynch sd and look for the scum the next day.

[muffinhead]

I think X is experienced enough to realize that SD is not going to get lynched. X has essentially said the vote is there to remind SD that he is not currently acting in a pro-town fashion. I could see SD picking up another stray vote, but I'd be shocked if he was lynched today.
_________________

@Iceman
X says that his vote on me is just a reminder of my scummy play. Are you going to use the same excuse he used or are really TRYING TO LYNCH THE CLAIMED DOCTOR? Please answer this question, because i cant really see a legitamate response.

Jeeze, this is getting annoying now. I want you to respond to the arguments, instead of ting having to. You don't seem to be grasping the fact that the more you claim to be the doctor instead of doing anything useful, the more we're certain of you being scum.

And if you understand that, then who are these 'But I'm the doctor' posts directed towards? They're not convincing anybody.

I must say even though im against lynchin a claimed doctor, that really is anyoying for me as well since thats the only thing you have been saying.

[muffinhead]

EBWOP: I also seemed to have simulposted muffinhead, as I was doing other things while posting the last post.

only 7 minutes after me lol

[muffinhead]

anyways twiggles if the deadline was made to be today then who would u vote for and why?

[muffinhead]

@Everyone, does this look a band wagon?

I don't think you're actually the doctor, so technically, no, I'm not trying to lynch the claimed doctor. I'm trying to lynch the person who claimed to be doctor who actually isn't.

states hes willing to lynch the claimed doctor

and your willing to take that risk?

I make sure he knows and i know that he really is willing to lynch the claimed doc.

What makes me think your claim isn't authentic is the fact that, as Rishi pointed out, it's ALL YOU EVER SAY to defend yourself. It seems like you think that now that you've claimed, it makes no difference how scummy you appear because you know you're immune. I place your claim on an equal level with everything else you do know, because I learned that there's a chance that there's no doctor at all in this game, and the scuminess outweighs the significance of your potentially false claim, in my mind

He says hes fine with it.

@ice.
Assuming we've mislynched twice in a row and are in day 3 lylo, there'll be two scum among only five people. It won't be easy, but it's certainly not impossible to find them. You'll have two days worth of voting patterns and posts to analyze. Even if you just randomly put your vote at day 3, you'll still have coin flip odds of it landing on scum.

Ting says something farside practically stated last page. Meaning ice already knew the risk.

I guess you're correct when you say "there's nothing to lose in waiting". The only problem is, what if we get to day 3 and we have no idea who the other scum partner is? Even if we're convinced at that stage that SD is scum, we'd still be in a bad spot, not knowing who his partner is. I suppose that's looking too far into the future, since we have no idea how day 2 will play out yet. I'm just completely convinced he's scum. I don't think metalic should jump on this wagon though, without contributing too much, and just rehashing what I said earlier.

unvote for now.

He unvotes although he tried defending himself saying that it was fine to try and lynch me. Why? Because some else said it was a bad idea. Not because it was a bad idea (farside already said it was). But because "another person said it was". BANDWAGON.....
People tell me this does not make perfect sense.

sd there is a thing called voting. If u r suspecious of someone u vote for them.

[muffinhead]

It looks like iceman and x were the top mafia suspects until recently. Now they both have practically no votes. So im guessing people think they are inncoent. Where do go from here?
Muffin and ice, who are you possible day 1 lynching candidates?

My top suspect is u sd however i am not going to risk lynching a claimed doc. So currently my biggest suspecision is X but i cant see him being lynched so we are back on level 1.

Currently i believe that surly at least 1 or both of the scum have stayed in a very quiet group giving no information away. This group includes ting,farside,twiggles and farside. So i could currently lynch any one of those 4 untill one/ any of them speak up.

[muffinhead]

What exactly am I doing that you think is scummy? Don't be wishy-washy. If I can then disprove what you find scummy about me, are you going to back off or keep blundering on for the sake of your own pride?

X do u think that just becuase u were at lynch 1 and now have no votes on u currently means that we have all forgotten about u ad no longer sus?

Look back at the whole of page 19 and ealier part of page 20 and tell me there is nothing sus about it. sure u did explain yourself but u changed and revoted sd 3 TIMES in 1 and half pages. So dont call me wishy washy when u done that urself. Thats why u got my vote in the first place, ur desperatly to lynch,then sarcasim.

To do that many sus things of course i have to be aware of the fact u could be scum. I dont forget that none of this happened unlike rishi has.

Currently i believe that surly at least 1 or both of the scum have stayed in a very quiet group giving no information away. This group includes ting,farside,twiggles and farside. So i could currently lynch any one of those 4 untill one/ any of them speak up.

lol sorry about the typo with 2 farsides. The other was meant to be Matlic.

Anyways i will answer the corralation situation when i get back from school as i gtg.[/quote]

[muffinhead]

Currently i believe that surly at least 1 or both of the scum have stayed in a very quiet group giving no information away. This group includes ting,farside,twiggles and farside.

Muffin, you can't equate post count to scumminess. I'm not going to post unless I have something to say, and there's nothing that's happened in the past page that's made me change my mind on anything. I'm not going to post just for the sake of posting so I don't appear quiet.

Now ting look at it from my view, we have gone 24 pages into day 1 and still havnt found someone who is clearly scum. We have had sd,iceman and X all on L-1 and forced them to explain themsleves. Now all of them have come up with good reasons and we have gotten all of the information out of them. Also i know we have gotten a fair bit out of rishi and me as well. Yet we still havnt lynched.

Now currently there are 4 people who dont know enough infromation on as i said. Farside, Metalic, Twiggles and Ting. Now these 4 havnt felt pressure nor do we have

enough info

barly any info out of them.

Yeah, muffin, I thought we had this discussion earlier and you were of the opposite opinion (i.e. post count does not correlate to scuminess). I still think it does but you've flipped sides now.

First off i dont have an exact idea of what correlation means. To a certain extent it proberbly is about post correlation but i want to ask icemane to point out exactly where i said that post corralation isnt a reason to vote for someone. I said that I dont understand y me posting so much makes me sus at the time.

So first off i ask this question. How are u able to detect scummy behaviour when the scum dont post any information at all?

This is not about how much u post. Its about how much information we have on each player, how many times have u questioned that player and then how does that player respond. Now the odds are that the less u post, the less information u have given away but thats not necessaraly true.

eg: I have posted more then rishi but since she has answered all the questions asked and asked others i consider him on the same level as me as to revealing information and explaining.

hope that answers everyones questions

[muffinhead]

What exactly am I doing that you think is scummy? Don't be wishy-washy. If I can then disprove what you find scummy about me, are you going to back off or keep blundering on for the sake of your own pride?

X do u think that just becuase u were at lynch 1 and now have no votes on u currently means that we have all forgotten about u ad no longer sus?

Look back at the whole of page 19 and ealier part of page 20 and tell me there is nothing sus about it. sure u did explain yourself but u changed and revoted sd 3 TIMES in 1 and half pages. So dont call me wishy washy when u done that urself. Thats why u got my vote in the first place, ur desperatly to lynch,then sarcasim.

To do that many sus things of course i have to be aware of the fact u could be scum. I dont forget that none of this happened unlike rishi has.

This is annoying. I asked for a direct answer to that question, because you claim to have one. I didn't ask for your views on whether I was being hypocritical. The information is all rather jumbled at the moment, and since you apparently have such a clear idea why I'm scum I'd like a summary of your reasons.

~ Xdaamno, still awaiting a reply.

If thats not answering ur question then i dont know what is. U asked the question of what have u done thats so scummy to me? That post above is the answer. I really dont know how its jumbled.

No i dont recall saying i have a clear idea ur scum after u explained urself so plz state where i said that. What else do i have to say.

[muffinhead]

like this is my first game, and i think i cannot play multiple games until i have completed at least one. And wow we are still on the freakin first day. Its been forever!!

You are allowed to play in another non-newbie game, but you're only allowed one newbie game at a time.

A deadline is never good.

yeah u can play in other games but not in rome.

Also i agree with rishi because then u dont get definat decisions and its also an easy reason for scum to put the final vote on somone cause u cant be sus of them for that reason.

[muffinhead]

What exactly am I doing that you think is scummy? Don't be wishy-washy. If I can then disprove what you find scummy about me, are you going to back off or keep blundering on for the sake of your own pride?

X do u think that just becuase u were at lynch 1 and now have no votes on u currently means that we have all forgotten about u ad no longer sus?

Look back at the whole of page 19 and ealier part of page 20 and tell me there is nothing sus about it. sure u did explain yourself but u changed and revoted sd 3 TIMES in 1 and half pages. So dont call me wishy washy when u done that urself. Thats why u got my vote in the first place, ur desperatly to lynch,then sarcasim.

To do that many sus things of course i have to be aware of the fact u could be scum. I dont forget that none of this happened unlike rishi has.

This is annoying. I asked for a direct answer to that question, because you claim to have one. I didn't ask for your views on whether I was being hypocritical. The information is all rather jumbled at the moment, and since you apparently have such a clear idea why I'm scum I'd like a summary of your reasons.

~ Xdaamno, still awaiting a reply.

If thats not answering ur question then i dont know what is. U asked the question of what have u done thats so scummy to me? That post above is the answer. I really dont know how its jumbled.

No i dont recall saying i have a clear idea ur scum after u explained urself so plz state where i said that. What else do i have to say.

Right, I read that wrong, but I'm still looking for more. In theory, what

about

that was scummy? Sure, I was confused, but I have don't have a clue how you equate that to scuminess. Furthermore, what I said then came AFTER your claim of my certain scuminess iirc.

And my

main

point here is that's incredibly weak reasoning. EVERYONE leaves scum tells at some point, regardless of alignment, and SD has done so much more than I have. Like I said, there's no way OMGUS dosen't come into this.

Of course everyone leaves scumtells i wont deny that but as i have ALREADY said it the amount of scumtells u leave. Lets have a look at them.

A-voting people on poor reasoning eg farside
B-Qucikly voting then unvoting then voting again eg with sd
C-trying to lycnh a clamied doc which is way to risky on day 1
D-Sarcasm to try defend urself

E- Not contributing enough information to finding scum

No longer

F-Not explaining himself

No longer

Now u know y i was convinced u were scum

Now the sritkeouts are the orginal reasons i voted u and because u have explained urself in e and f im no longer loking at u for day 1 lynch.

However I still have 4 differnent scumtells from u which is way more then others and god knows y i havnt got a vote on u. Also i dont have any major leads off others.

Well sd looks incrdibly scummy and i can guarrentie he will not make it into the endgame, however on day 1 im not going to risk lynching him when he can be very usefull if he is town.

Surely that answers all ur questions.

mod prod farside once again

[muffinhead]

Hay there ohgodmylife, hope u can get into the game after 26 pages of craziness and were still on day 1, If u want somewhere to start then give us ur oponions of sd or this below argument which is neverending lol.

What exactly am I doing that you think is scummy? Don't be wishy-washy. If I can then disprove what you find scummy about me, are you going to back off or keep blundering on for the sake of your own pride?

X do u think that just becuase u were at lynch 1 and now have no votes on u currently means that we have all forgotten about u ad no longer sus?

Look back at the whole of page 19 and ealier part of page 20 and tell me there is nothing sus about it. sure u did explain yourself but u changed and revoted sd 3 TIMES in 1 and half pages. So dont call me wishy washy when u done that urself. Thats why u got my vote in the first place, ur desperatly to lynch,then sarcasim.

To do that many sus things of course i have to be aware of the fact u could be scum. I dont forget that none of this happened unlike rishi has.

This is annoying. I asked for a direct answer to that question, because you claim to have one. I didn't ask for your views on whether I was being hypocritical. The information is all rather jumbled at the moment, and since you apparently have such a clear idea why I'm scum I'd like a summary of your reasons.

~ Xdaamno, still awaiting a reply.

If thats not answering ur question then i dont know what is. U asked the question of what have u done thats so scummy to me? That post above is the answer. I really dont know how its jumbled.

No i dont recall saying i have a clear idea ur scum after u explained urself so plz state where i said that. What else do i have to say.

Right, I read that wrong, but I'm still looking for more. In theory, what

about

that was scummy? Sure, I was confused, but I have don't have a clue how you equate that to scuminess. Furthermore, what I said then came AFTER your claim of my certain scuminess iirc.

And my

main

point here is that's incredibly weak reasoning. EVERYONE leaves scum tells at some point, regardless of alignment, and SD has done so much more than I have. Like I said, there's no way OMGUS dosen't come into this.

Of course everyone leaves scumtells i wont deny that but as i have ALREADY said it the amount of scumtells u leave. Lets have a look at them.

A-voting people on poor reasoning eg farside
B-Qucikly voting then unvoting then voting again eg with sd
C-trying to lycnh a clamied doc which is way to risky on day 1
D-Sarcasm to try defend urself

E- Not contributing enough information to finding scum

No longer

F-Not explaining himself

No longer

Now u know y i was convinced u were scum

Now the sritkeouts are the orginal reasons i voted u and because u have explained urself in e and f im no longer loking at u for day 1 lynch.

However I still have 4 differnent scumtells from u which is way more then others and god knows y i havnt got a vote on u. Also i dont have any major leads off others.

Well sd looks incrdibly scummy and i can guarrentie he will not make it into the endgame, however on day 1 im not going to risk lynching him when he can be very usefull if he is town.

Surely that answers all ur questions.

mod prod farside once again

I'm honestly not sure why you can't see so many more tells in SD's post, and I'm going to attribute the fact you haven't given any valid tells whatsoever to your newbishness here; and I hate to say that, ftr.

A: Voting people on poor reasoning is

not

a scum tell, unless you live in a perfect world; and furthermore, this so-called 'tell' is a matter of opinion. My reasoning was strongly theoretical and was based on what scum would psychologically do, which is better than some of the bullcrap meta-tells in mafiascum today, like the ones you've given.

B: You obviously haven't thought this through at all. Can you please explain how a player not being sure on who to vote in

any way

positively correlates with the chance of being scum? Though not.

C: Firstly, I'd like to note that a doctor is not an incredibly important power role; certainly not game-breaking. The main attribute is his confirmability. Therefore, the only risk of lynching him Day 1 is because he has an automatically elevated chance of being town, correct? Now, that is pretty much a multiplication on whatever chance I think he has of being scum; don't get me wrong, if I thought another player was being as scummy and didn't claim doc I'd lynch them ASAP. But the fact of the matter is, for me,

with the doc claim included

, SD_Reaper is still very much below all players on the chance of being town; therefore it's literally craplogic to suggest the doctor claim pardons him when I've taken that into account, kapeesh?

D: Sarcasm to try and defend myself? You do realise sarcasm is a trait of someone playing

more relaxed

? Sarcasm is almost certainly a town tell in my books. Whether it's rude or not is debateable, but you've fallen into one of the large pitfalls of scum tells: how rude a player is does not correlate to their chance of being scum. Furthermore, I wasn't even being rude on purpose, which is the only possible way that could be a tell. So it's either a town tell or a null tell. Take your pick. The crossed-out E and F reasons just make you look like you aren't sure of your own case, which I knew already.

If you want to defend those tells I'm expecting some THEORETICAL reasoning as to why they make me scum; not just the fact they're abnormal.

If you can't reply to why atleast two of the points I've mentioned are a valid theoretical scum tell, you're literally being a dumbass for still, after all this time, playing off OMGUS, picking an easy target, and being a sheep

to society ¬.¬

.

Ok before i start i wont deny that sd is more scummy but i cant be bothered to point out all the scumtells because it is neverending. But the fact he has claimed doc we should give him till the end of night and if he is not dead by day 3, then hes surly scum and we can get rid of him?Dont people get that point?

A- I still dont understand how it isnt a scumtell, poor reasoning shows how desperate someone is to lycnh someone. as u have done it all match and i have found it hard to believe untill recently that it was used for the purpose of pressure. So ill give u that one.

B- Well answer this, what sort of townie unvotes and votes the same person 3 times in 1 page? THats how it corrilats to u being scum. I thought that would be preety obvious.

C- So ur saying that a doctor is not an important role. Ifhes correct 2 nights, then we get a whole extra day. Also thedoc can protect the big loses from being NKed. Also as i have already said we can always kill him another day if he survives. That is such a poor reason X

D- Can someone please tell me how sarcasm is pro-town. Sarcasm comes out of players DESPERATE for excuses, and to try shut other players up. Now u were using sarcasm with 2 votes which is certainly not a dangerous position. Sounds like somthing only scum would do as townies have no reason to do so.

So X dont tell me i have poor reasoning when u only use agression to come up with ur excuses.

[muffinhead]

Oh my

god

there has been so much stupid going on in this thread.

WE. ARE.

NOT.

LYNCHING. THE. CLAIMED. DOC.

Scum know they're wrong. They know the people they're trying to lynch are town. Therefore it's in their best interests to have a backup plan when it's revealed they were wrong (This links into trying to stay out of arguments, also to soften the blow). I find that in almost every single game, the scum act upon this consciously or subconsciously, which you're doing here by making excuses such as 'I'm not really watching what I say'.

So what does your earlier excuse of 'I haven't really been paying attention to the thread,' qualify as? I imagine your backup plan for after you've lynched SD is simple: say "whoops well he looked damn scummy," and celebrate the fact that you were free to make a night kill on somebody who you wouldn't have been able to get mislynched.

EVERYONE leaves scum tells at some point, regardless of alignment, and SD has done so much more than I have.

You should be getting lynched for this line alone.

Also, in the interests of moving this game along, perhaps we should lynch SD. It's a better lynch than most, and, while not strategically sound in a perfect world, I can see this stopping the possibility of the game stalling, which is very bad for town.

Honestly, I don't think I have ever seen a scummier post than this one. Claiming scum would be less scummy.

Hm, actually, I've been thinking about this. I do want to lynch SD now. The level of information can

only go up

as the game progresses, so it's best to use the sooner lynch on the suspect we're more certain on.

Last I checked the only people who are letting you speak for them are icemanE and rishi, no, 'we' are not more certain about SD than other possible lynches, and yes, you are a scumbag.

I can't believe you're still trying to defend him with the 'claimed doc' argument. If scum claimed right off the bat there's more than a 50% chance they'd get away scot-free, and claiming after reading the town upps this even more. The fact he's claimed is irrelevant to my point, and I'm unnerved by the fact you're clearly lynching based on what gives us 'information' rather than the superior motive of having 1 scum tommorow.

Yes there is a 50% chance that its a scum gambit but there is also a 50% chance that you are still trying to lynch the FUCKING DOCTOR! I would argue that ting =) is clearly basing his vote on what you call a superior motive, having one scum tomorrow, and that he can just see things more clearly than the people who are bandwagoning SD with you.

C: Firstly, I'd like to note that a doctor is not an incredibly important power role; certainly not game-breaking. The main attribute is his confirmability. Therefore, the only risk of lynching him Day 1 is because he has an automatically elevated chance of being town, correct? Now, that is pretty much a multiplication on whatever chance I think he has of being scum; don't get me wrong, if I thought another player was being as scummy and didn't claim doc I'd lynch them ASAP. But the fact of the matter is, for me, with the doc claim included, SD_Reaper is still very much below all players on the chance of being town; therefore it's literally craplogic to suggest the doctor claim pardons him when I've taken that into account, kapeesh?

Firstly, I'd like to note that the doctor is in fact THE SINGLE MOST POWERFUL PRO TOWN ROLE because it has the ability to neutralize the scum's NIGHT KILL. So please do not try to convince people that lynching the doctor would be no great loss. The rest of this quote is more bullshit excuse making for you to point back at after he's lynched and omg he was the doctor.

Well, another argument over with, because I'm assuming you're joking about 'appeal to authority'

If quoting something seol said in the MD forum isn't an appeal to authority then I just don't know what is.

Right, that's another point: even if he is doc and we don't lynch him (i.e. what you're proposing), he either dies anyway or the scum get a chance to throw in some confusion by not nightkilling him. It's best to avoid the WIFOM in that situation altogether.

Forcing the scum to night kill him is exactly why we don't lynch him today. Its forcing the scum to kill one of the worst players and therefore easiest targets in this game, or taking the chance of leaving the doctor alive to possibly prevent their kill from happening. Yet you would rather do the job for them and lynch him today, freeing the scum up to choose who they would like to and kill them with no worry at all that it might be stopped.

VOTE: XDAAMNO

@icemanE - You're town. Stop being a fucking idiot and helping the scum lynch the doctor. Thank you.

@rishi - If you're town, get your head out of your ass and be a good IC. If you're X's scumpartner, carry on with what you're doing.

@SD - Play moar better.

Wow great post considering we needed somthing like this to happen.

[muffinhead]

Ok as this is going no where this will be my very last post on the matter. Also i am hoping for an oponion from others of this matter because u dont argue this much for no reason

Pah, here we go...

Hay there ohgodmylife, hope u can get into the game after 26 pages of craziness and were still on day 1, If u want somewhere to start then give us ur oponions of sd or this below argument which is neverending lol.

What exactly am I doing that you think is scummy? Don't be wishy-washy. If I can then disprove what you find scummy about me, are you going to back off or keep blundering on for the sake of your own pride?

X do u think that just becuase u were at lynch 1 and now have no votes on u currently means that we have all forgotten about u ad no longer sus?

Look back at the whole of page 19 and ealier part of page 20 and tell me there is nothing sus about it. sure u did explain yourself but u changed and revoted sd 3 TIMES in 1 and half pages. So dont call me wishy washy when u done that urself. Thats why u got my vote in the first place, ur desperatly to lynch,then sarcasim.

To do that many sus things of course i have to be aware of the fact u could be scum. I dont forget that none of this happened unlike rishi has.

This is annoying. I asked for a direct answer to that question, because you claim to have one. I didn't ask for your views on whether I was being hypocritical. The information is all rather jumbled at the moment, and since you apparently have such a clear idea why I'm scum I'd like a summary of your reasons.

~ Xdaamno, still awaiting a reply.

If thats not answering ur question then i dont know what is. U asked the question of what have u done thats so scummy to me? That post above is the answer. I really dont know how its jumbled.

No i dont recall saying i have a clear idea ur scum after u explained urself so plz state where i said that. What else do i have to say.

Right, I read that wrong, but I'm still looking for more. In theory, what

about

that was scummy? Sure, I was confused, but I have don't have a clue how you equate that to scuminess. Furthermore, what I said then came AFTER your claim of my certain scuminess iirc.

And my

main

point here is that's incredibly weak reasoning. EVERYONE leaves scum tells at some point, regardless of alignment, and SD has done so much more than I have. Like I said, there's no way OMGUS dosen't come into this.

Of course everyone leaves scumtells i wont deny that but as i have ALREADY said it the amount of scumtells u leave. Lets have a look at them.

A-voting people on poor reasoning eg farside
B-Qucikly voting then unvoting then voting again eg with sd
C-trying to lycnh a clamied doc which is way to risky on day 1
D-Sarcasm to try defend urself

E- Not contributing enough information to finding scum

No longer

F-Not explaining himself

No longer

Now u know y i was convinced u were scum

Now the sritkeouts are the orginal reasons i voted u and because u have explained urself in e and f im no longer loking at u for day 1 lynch.

However I still have 4 differnent scumtells from u which is way more then others and god knows y i havnt got a vote on u. Also i dont have any major leads off others.

Well sd looks incrdibly scummy and i can guarrentie he will not make it into the endgame, however on day 1 im not going to risk lynching him when he can be very usefull if he is town.

Surely that answers all ur questions.

mod prod farside once again

I'm honestly not sure why you can't see so many more tells in SD's post, and I'm going to attribute the fact you haven't given any valid tells whatsoever to your newbishness here; and I hate to say that, ftr.

A: Voting people on poor reasoning is

not

a scum tell, unless you live in a perfect world; and furthermore, this so-called 'tell' is a matter of opinion. My reasoning was strongly theoretical and was based on what scum would psychologically do, which is better than some of the bullcrap meta-tells in mafiascum today, like the ones you've given.

B: You obviously haven't thought this through at all. Can you please explain how a player not being sure on who to vote in

any way

positively correlates with the chance of being scum? Though not.

C: Firstly, I'd like to note that a doctor is not an incredibly important power role; certainly not game-breaking. The main attribute is his confirmability. Therefore, the only risk of lynching him Day 1 is because he has an automatically elevated chance of being town, correct? Now, that is pretty much a multiplication on whatever chance I think he has of being scum; don't get me wrong, if I thought another player was being as scummy and didn't claim doc I'd lynch them ASAP. But the fact of the matter is, for me,

with the doc claim included

, SD_Reaper is still very much below all players on the chance of being town; therefore it's literally craplogic to suggest the doctor claim pardons him when I've taken that into account, kapeesh?

D: Sarcasm to try and defend myself? You do realise sarcasm is a trait of someone playing

more relaxed

? Sarcasm is almost certainly a town tell in my books. Whether it's rude or not is debateable, but you've fallen into one of the large pitfalls of scum tells: how rude a player is does not correlate to their chance of being scum. Furthermore, I wasn't even being rude on purpose, which is the only possible way that could be a tell. So it's either a town tell or a null tell. Take your pick. The crossed-out E and F reasons just make you look like you aren't sure of your own case, which I knew already.

If you want to defend those tells I'm expecting some THEORETICAL reasoning as to why they make me scum; not just the fact they're abnormal.

If you can't reply to why atleast two of the points I've mentioned are a valid theoretical scum tell, you're literally being a dumbass for still, after all this time, playing off OMGUS, picking an easy target, and being a sheep

to society ¬.¬

.

Ok before i start i wont deny that sd is more scummy but i cant be bothered to point out all the scumtells because it is neverending. But the fact he has claimed doc we should give him till the end of night and if he is not dead by day 3, then hes surly scum and we can get rid of him?Dont people get that point?

A- I still dont understand how it isnt a scumtell, poor reasoning shows how desperate someone is to lycnh someone. as u have done it all match and i have found it hard to believe untill recently that it was used for the purpose of pressure. So ill give u that one.

B- Well answer this, what sort of townie unvotes and votes the same person 3 times in 1 page? THats how it corrilats to u being scum. I thought that would be preety obvious.

C- So ur saying that a doctor is not an important role. Ifhes correct 2 nights, then we get a whole extra day. Also thedoc can protect the big loses from being NKed. Also as i have already said we can always kill him another day if he survives. That is such a poor reason X

D- Can someone please tell me how sarcasm is pro-town. Sarcasm comes out of players DESPERATE for excuses, and to try shut other players up. Now u were using sarcasm with 2 votes which is certainly not a dangerous position. Sounds like somthing only scum would do as townies have no reason to do so.

So X dont tell me i have poor reasoning when u only use agression to come up with ur excuses.

A: You said you'll 'give me this one', so I'm not going to bother arguing for it.

B: Urgh, did you even read what I said? This is ridiculous... I EXPLAINED how a townie could unvote and vote repeatedly, by showing how there was no correlation between that and scuminess. It's just plain annoying for people to say 'What kind of townie does this'; you do realise that scumtells are trying to prove people are scum, rather than just pointing out abnormal behaviour? If you want to make any sense whatsoever, you need to explain WHY the fact I'm not sure who to lynch makes me scum. You're just assuming that fact probably because some dumbass from one of the games you've read used that as reasoning; it's just not relevant.

C: You obviously haven't read ANY of my other recent posts, where it was explained if he IS a doctor, and he ISN'T lynched, he'll either die tonight making him useless or he'll not be nightkilled causing us confusion. Do you WANT the bloody WIFOM? He's useless without a cop as he's got roughly a 1/48 chance of protecting successfully the following two nights; granted, that gets higher as the game goes on, but it's still ridiculous to call those kind of odds a useful role.

D: Once again, crap excuse for an argument, because you don't prove HOW sarcasm comes out of players desperate for excuses; and, on top of that, I had perfectly reasonable excuses at the time, iirc! You don't think my behaviour changing slightly could be attributed to anything other than me being slightly drunk?

This game is suffering from TERRIBLE tunnel-vision, including on my side, and its been one of the least anjoyable I've had in a while, I'm sorry to say ._.


OhGodMyLife's post is winding me up the most, because I'm seeing a person I KNOW is bloody reasonable getting tunnel-vision the minute they see something that's conventionally scummy, but not really theoretically (especially after metagame changes) at all.

I'll reply when I can be arsed.

B- you want to know why this is scummy. Cause townies explain themselves while u backed off. Its because first u vote on him evn though hes claimed doc, then when u get voted for that play u back off instead of explaining urself then when the votes are off u u vote him again.

If this is not scummy behavious then y do i hear about it being a scum mistake from everyone? I got voted on for doing such a thing at the beginning and its not a scumtell?

and y the hell would they put it on this page if it wasnt a scumtell

http://www.sitesled.com/members/mikebur ... scum04.swf

C- Dont know how u got that 1 in 48 chance but thats just one of the benefits if it happens. Even if it was sucessful tonight and we killed town then there are 6-2 instead of 5-2 giving the town more power. Also the person they try to lynch will be someone very useull to the town and that alone makes the town hugly important.

D- U didnt have ANY excuse, u only had 2 votes which isnt a dangerous position i mean comon. Also what the heck r u playing this game drunk for. U by no means can use that as an excuse. Horiibly poor reason.

Ok u asked me to explain myself i have and if u still arnt satisfied then u never will be no matter what i say which is so stubborn.
I will say no more as i have explained myself everytime and this is getting no where and for me is a waste of time.

End of discussion.

[muffinhead]

Wow... There's been a lot of posts since I've been gone.

Could you explain how that would help you make up your mind? You say there's still a possibility that Rishi-X are a scum team, so that would still exist. Twigs as farside... how would my lynch uncover anything about them? Plus, I'm not entirely sure this game centers on YOU making up YOUR mind.

Any information I get from your lynch, everyone else can figure out too. If you're town, I look at everyone's stance towards you. If you're scum, your stance towards everyone.

You obviously haven't thought this through at all. Can you please explain how a player not being sure on who to vote in any way positively correlates with the chance of being scum? Though not.

Answering for muffin - It's wishy washy wagon hopping.

C: Firstly, I'd like to note that a doctor is not an incredibly important power role; certainly not game-breaking. The main attribute is his confirmability. Therefore, the only risk of lynching him Day 1 is because he has an automatically elevated chance of being town, correct? Now, that is pretty much a multiplication on whatever chance I think he has of being scum; don't get me wrong, if I thought another player was being as scummy and didn't claim doc I'd lynch them ASAP. But the fact of the matter is, for me, with the doc claim included, SD_Reaper is still very much below all players on the chance of being town; therefore it's literally craplogic to suggest the doctor claim pardons him when I've taken that into account, kapeesh?

Maybe he's a doctor playing badly, yes? Being a doc doesn't give you supernatural powers of playing in a completely townly manner.

No.

Well, another argument over with, because I'm assuming you're joking about 'appeal to authority'

Yes and no.

Yes, it is an appeal to authority. No, I'm not holding it against you. My mistake, I only read the first page of that discussion at the time I posted.

SD is the scummiest player here. He has claimed doc. If he actually IS doc, he will be killed tonight. If not, it has been suggested that he be lynched on day two. Therefore, his being doc will do nothing for us. He won't be of any use tonight if he IS doc because he'll be killed. If he IS doc and he makes it to day two, OR if he is scum and makes it to day two, OR if the scum try to throw us off by not lynching SD, then he will be a candidate for lynch on day 2.

My question is, WHY WASTE TIME!?!?!?! IF he's doc he won't be of any use ANYWAY! So what is the point in keeping him here?

You mean besides the fact that we're forcing the scum to either waste a night kill or risk having their night kill nullified? Yes, they might let him live, but that doesn't really bother me. Every day they leave him alive, the better his odds are of getting a successful protect. There is no good protown reason to risk losing a doc.

[quote="X}It's best to avoid the WIFOM in that situation altogether.

There will always be wifom. Even if we lynch him, whether he turns out scum or town, we'll end up wifoming ourselves in circles. Loss of doc > Exposure to wifom. If you think you'll end up being wifomed, then think harder.

Bonus tip: leaving scum alive to go for a possible scum partner

increases the risk of a successful roleblock.

How do you even know the scum have a roleblocker? You're so hesitant to believe SD because there's only 50% odds as you say, but you have no problems with the 50% odds of roleblockers existing? Why the sudden mention of roleblockers anyway?

One of my biggest scum tells so far that ice and x seem to be using on me is that "i am pushing for a lynch". Any person with a moderate IQ that is scum, would not blatantly admit to it, its the same as admitting your scum. For me to openly say that i want a lynch somewhat soon i think is a town tell, as no scum would just say that openly.

You're wifoming yourself SD.

Unvote, Vote: SD_Reaper

Your original stance was - no, let's not lynch the claimed doc. And then, here you change to - Ice and Xdaamno have convinced me, unvote-vote. Later, you've reworded your stance to - my vote is just here to remind SD to play better, he's not going to get lynched anyway. All that makes me think I should

FOS: Rishi.

Also, I now think Rishi-Xdaamno is just as likely as Ice-Xdaamno.

Like i said, the only scum thing i see is that i want a lynch soon.
But whatevers, if you want to lynch me i guess you can. But it will be funny when i get to see the post after i die. Only in newbie games does the doc come out and still get lynched the same day. Maybe im playing the game terribly or acting really scummy, but i am town whether you like it or not. Oh well, at least this lynch will help two of you.

No. Don't do that, seriously. You're just falling back on your doc claim again and then giving up. If you're doc, and I think you are, help the town - hunt scum, defend yourself. You can't just lie back. This being your first game isn't an excuse.

If you want to make any sense whatsoever, you need to explain WHY the fact I'm not sure who to lynch makes me scum.

Not sure who to lynch or just wagon hopping scum? You don't sound unsure in any of your votes at all.

Do you WANT the bloody WIFOM? He's useless without a cop as he's got roughly a 1/48 chance of protecting successfully the following two nights; granted, that gets higher as the game goes on, but it's still ridiculous to call those kind of odds a useful role.

Do you WANT the dead doc? It's not so hard to look past wifom. It's pretty hard trying to revive a dead doc though. Sure, I can't prove he really is doc for sure, but you still haven't said why we can't just wait till later. He'll still be there for you to lynch if you're so sure he's scum. Also, your maths is wrong.

You don't think my behaviour changing slightly could be attributed to anything other than me being slightly drunk?

From the wine in front of you? (Sorry, not a real argument, I just couldn't help it. >.<)

@Muffin and X. Please don't make more quote pyramids. It makes me quite depressed to see a tiny scroll bar on the right.

My votes don't show me being wishy-washy; they just show me reliasing proof he could not be scum, and then realising that he could be scum after all; so either you're saying I'm a lier and knew all along, or that it actually makes a difference whether I realised that sooner or later.

Okay, I just saw this now, didn't realize you already replied to the accusations on top. You just admitted that you were riding both sides of the fence. That

is

wishy washy. You could say that you were uncertain, but that doesn't change that the behaviour you exhibited due to your uncertainty was wishy washy behaviour.

Firstly, I messed up my maths, it's more of a 1/56 with random protections

Calculate his odds of getting at least one protect from now until the game ends. If you're going to calculate his odds of getting the protect right every night, of course it'll be low.

And OGML - your tips to SD, at least to me, sound like "directing." In other words, a better player giving advice to his scumbuddy in the thread.

Or maybe an IC giving advice to a player on his first game? Also, what were your suspicions of farside? And who do you think is scum?

Mod:

Could you prod twiglees?[/quote]

wow nice long post above and i must say i dont like rishis play as u have pointed out. Rishi was leading the way on not lynching a claimed doc, all of a sudden a vote on sd doesnt look good.

[muffinhead]

@Muffin.
How about joining the Xdaamno wagon? 27 pages in day 1 is ridiculous considering there are only 9 players. A mini would have been in day 2 by now...

I have considered it and proberbly should considering i went through that pyramaid with him and he came up with really poor reasoning however I believe he was doing it for the right reasons. Doesnt mean i wont join the wagon but there is just that thing now pulling me back even know i dont have a clue wat it is.

[muffinhead]

ting =) wrote:
@Muffin.
How about joining the Xdaamno wagon? 27 pages in day 1 is ridiculous considering there are only 9 players. A mini would have been in day 2 by now...


I have considered it and proberbly should considering i went through that pyramaid with him and he came up with really poor reasoning however I believe he was doing it for the right reasons. Doesnt mean i wont join the wagon but there is just that thing now pulling me back even know i dont have a clue wat it is.

Dude that's crazy, if you think im mafia then vote me. If you dont think im mafia or believe it is strategic to keep the claimed doc, then dont jump on the wagon. If you vote me just to get the game moving, its like saying lets put ourselves at a disadvantage just to speed up the game.

I actually agree with this, the only good post that i can remeber of recent times from sd lol

[muffinhead]

@Muffin.
How about joining the Xdaamno wagon? 27 pages in day 1 is ridiculous considering there are only 9 players. A mini would have been in day 2 by now...

I have considered it and proberbly should considering i went through that pyramaid with him and he came up with really poor reasoning however I believe he was doing it for the right reasons. Doesnt mean i wont join the wagon but there is just that thing now pulling me back even know i dont have a clue wat it is.

Pull the other one.

Despite the fact I gave perfect reasons and you backed out of the argument because you were losing,

I

was the one with poor reasoning

No i backed out because i was wasting my time talking to a brick wall that repeated itself every single time

[muffinhead]

I really cannot be bothered to continue this day. Something i never thought i would see myself saying.

[muffinhead]

Well as i said i have no major leads on anyone and i havnt liked X the enitre game. So since i have to vote i will

vote X

also

mod prod ogml

havnt seen him since his first post.

[muffinhead]

Well ita pitty we list 2 very usfull players proberbly with the best information to give us. I would be absoultly fuming if i were x considering he still explained himself and got lynched.

intresting that no one brought up the fact i put the final lynch on X, my apologies are based on the fact that i didnt know he was on lynch 1 and we couldve gotten a few more days of vital information.

Anyways i dont think the scum wouldve killed sd even if he was a claimed doc. Usually i wouldnt be sus of sd over this but because of how incrdibly scummy he was, i think we well get hte most info out of lynching him

therefore

vote sd

lolwtf? Muffinhead was in no way shape or form the least scummy yesterday IMO. I think he's town, but I still believe he would be much easier to lynch for scum than others (such as Rishi ). Anyone else getting scumbuddies vibes from these two?

Anyways how come i wasnt the least scummy? Also please explain how sd protecting me makes us scum partners? If sd is scum then he would be stupid to pretend that he saved his partner.

therefore

fos alabaska

[muffinhead]

Oh and i should mention i think anyone here could be scum except for ice, i doubt he is scum

[muffinhead]

Im losing faith in me surviving a lynch this go around.
@muffinhead.
If you do lynch me and i turn up doc. Where would you go from there? Because when you guys really lynch me you will be at lylo, and where will you go from there?

Well first of all u were so scummy on page 1 so the odds from my perspctive seem farily high that ur scum. If ur town then i think ur lynch will give us alot of information as i knbow some players who wouldve lynched a claim doc and others who i dont think wouldve.

[muffinhead]

lolwtf? Muffinhead was in no way shape or form the least scummy yesterday IMO. I think he's town, but I still believe he would be much easier to lynch for scum than others (such as Rishi ). Anyone else getting scumbuddies vibes from these two?

Anyways how come i wasnt the least scummy? Also please explain how sd protecting me makes us scum partners? If sd is scum then he would be stupid to pretend that he saved his partner.

therefore

fos alabaska

Lol this is the most OMGUS thing I have ever seen in my life. Pitiful case. You honestly believe you were the least scummy throughout the first day? That being foolish. Stupid noobs nitpicking. Also, not you and SD as scumbuddies, SD and OGML. This quote is out of context plus my antecedent is not properly phrased.

I didnt ask for a whole lot of arguing, i asked for reasons. ps happy birthday

Also, despite how hard Ting pushed for a lynch on X, I doubt he's scum. He pushed too hard too openly. I don't think scum would do that unless he was an idiot, and Ting doesn't seem like an idiot.

I actually agree with u even though he didnt post a huge amount like rishi or ice.

[muffinhead]

ps happy birthday

Thanks you very much! Also, sorry I snapped at you. Thinking back over your playstyle, it would make sense for you to FoS me right there. I personally use mine more sparingly.

your welcome, but just a questions for u. Do u know how scummy that looks to go from being so agressive to so... unagresssive?

[muffinhead]

I am here.
I will not vote now, as I would vote for SD_Reaper and it could allow scum to jump onto the wagon and have a quicklynch if he is not scum. I wish to have more than 1 page for day 2 in order to have more information for a day 2 lynch and later lynches, especially of we get to LYLO.

he only has 1 vote so its fine.

[muffinhead]

he only has 1 vote so its fine.

Liar, i have two. You and Alaska

didnt c it, I dont think anyone can trust me with the vote count anymore lol.

[muffinhead]

Oh I see, well in that case, I suppose I should

vote: SD

.

unvote

just because he didnt get killed doesnt mean we kill him 2 pages into day two, let him explain himself.

[muffinhead]

Fair enough muffin, I don't see what explaining he will do outside of I'M THE DOC GUYS SRSLY! but if you aren't ready to lynch him (I sure as hell am) its a good idea to remove your vote. It's also weak of you.

Happy birthday!

cheers for that, now u know how i saw alabaska lol

[muffinhead]

ps happy birthday

Thanks you very much! Also, sorry I snapped at you. Thinking back over your playstyle, it would make sense for you to FoS me right there. I personally use mine more sparingly.

your welcome, but just a questions for u. Do u know how scummy that looks to go from being so agressive to so... unagresssive?

Eh, I was cranky when I posted. It came out sounding a lot worse than needed. You are nitpicking again.

Also, Iceman is right. I'm not sure what else we will glean from SD today except more scumtells.

Ok so within 8 minutes time ur mood had totally changed. Hard to believe

vote alabaska

[muffinhead]

ps happy birthday

Thanks you very much! Also, sorry I snapped at you. Thinking back over your playstyle, it would make sense for you to FoS me right there. I personally use mine more sparingly.

your welcome, but just a questions for u. Do u know how scummy that looks to go from being so agressive to so... unagresssive?

Eh, I was cranky when I posted. It came out sounding a lot worse than needed. You are nitpicking again.

Also, Iceman is right. I'm not sure what else we will glean from SD today except more scumtells.

Ok so within 8 minutes time ur mood had totally changed. Hard to believe

vote alabaska

Is it? Short of giving you a personal rundown of my life, it involved a misunderstanding, which made me angry, then that misunderstanding being fixed, which made me less so. My personal life should have no bearing on why you are voting me, IMO.

Ur personal life shouldnt make u attack me in the first place. Besides how can u be angry on ur birthday. Thats y i find it hard to believe.

[muffinhead]

ps happy birthday

Thanks you very much! Also, sorry I snapped at you. Thinking back over your playstyle, it would make sense for you to FoS me right there. I personally use mine more sparingly.

your welcome, but just a questions for u. Do u know how scummy that looks to go from being so agressive to so... unagresssive?

Eh, I was cranky when I posted. It came out sounding a lot worse than needed. You are nitpicking again.

Also, Iceman is right. I'm not sure what else we will glean from SD today except more scumtells.

Ok so within 8 minutes time ur mood had totally changed. Hard to believe

vote alabaska

Is it? Short of giving you a personal rundown of my life, it involved a misunderstanding, which made me angry, then that misunderstanding being fixed, which made me less so. My personal life should have no bearing on why you are voting me, IMO.

Ur personal life shouldnt make u attack me in the first place. Besides how can u be angry on ur birthday. Thats y i find it hard to believe.

Wow. That is possibly the worst reasoning I have ever heard for a vote. And I didn't snap at you

because

of my personal life, I snapped at you because I was mad about what was going on in my personal and I took it out on you. It is a scientific fact that there is a psychological process called "displacement" in which one diverts feelings of (in this case) anger to a substitute target when faced with such feelings. It is a defense mechanism triggered by the subconscious mind in order to protect itself from danger. And it is definitely possible to be angry on your birthday; for example your parents may forget to get you anything at all (actually my mom just forgot it was still in the mail).

All in all, your reasons are possibly the worst I have ever seen ("I don't think can be mad on your birthday; you're scum" is horrible logic), and you made pretty bad posts and the beginning of day one too. You jumped off the SD case for this? REALLY?

whole fucking arm of suspicion: muffinhead

. IMO SD is looking pretty scummy now too. I'm leaning toward voting muffinhead (SD

did

claim doc) for this but I want to do a read-through before I make a decision.

First of all please dont use such agressive language at me, i dont care if its about the game, just please dont use it.



also of u read

carfully

then u will realise that sd is on lynch 1 and 2 pages into day 2 is way to early to lynch.

However ur response just then makes my vote want to stay even more. So you are saying that just because i vote for u means im scummy an u should vote for me? pffff

anyways

mod prod everyone bar alabaska

since this game has come to a complete halt.

[muffinhead]

All right lets get this over with then. I still say not lynching him yesterday was the best play, even if he turns up scum, I just wish the whole conversation hadn't become theoretical. Too many people were able to coast by without actually saying anything.

And if he's the doctor then my I TOLD YOU SO is automatically implied.

vote: SD_reaper

So u think hes a doctor yet u r voting him?

fos ogml

[muffinhead]

@muffinhead- Am I you biggest suspicion and should I be expecting a vote from you?

Yes you are currently and i feel like putting the final vote on but ill do that once ive had a proper look at the prvious pages. Ur total attitude has changed from being in conversation trying to explain urself to absoulute craziness. I dont know whther this makes you more scummy or not but i dont remeber you going off like that when u were on lynch one day one.

[muffinhead]

Well what is there to say, im happy to put the final vote on sd however it wouldnt be a convinced vote. I was acutally more convinced on the X lynch and he turned out town.

[muffinhead]

Hmm. SD would obviously like an alabaska lynch better too. Muffin? Twiglees?

This sounds a wee bit like scum setting up an easy kill..........

But the strange thing about it is, I don't get a scum read off of Ting....

This game is whack. SD man, friggin get him already.

so icemane what r ur thoughts of alabaska and ogml

[muffinhead]

unvote

let me think for a minute.

[muffinhead]

Ok my mind is made up. Lynch Sd today and give alabaska a day to explain himself.

vote sd

[muffinhead]

wow who the hell would kill ogml off? only icemane to put the act on seems to be the only person who would do so.

fos icemane

.

also alabaska plz explain what icemane done day 1 that was scummy? I need to remeber y i was sus on u.

[muffinhead]

also

vote twiggles

[muffinhead]

Also, lest I forget, muffin, why the twigs vote?

Well twiggles has contributed nothing the whole game somthing everyone else has done and we have lynched 2 of the biggest posters. Its as if twiggles has been lurking and ive just come from putting the final vote on scum in another game who posted no contributions whatsoever.

[muffinhead]

ok first up

unvote

as ice brings up a very good point. Now if we have a look at thesitauation then 2 out of 3 are scum. So we already have a 40% chance of finding scum.

Personally I have no suspicision of iceman whatsoever because of his trendous contribution and his response under pressure. Now we are down to 3. Yet it is the 3 who havnt contributed enough which is typical as I said.

Now i doubt that ting is scum however he hasnt posted enough contribution for me to be definate about it. Also alabaska has contributed alot since hes entered the game and as much as he looks scum i do get some town vibes.

Now that leaves us with twiggles. Contribution to scum finding? none. I havnt heard an oponion of anyone remaining in the game from him. Nor have I seen a response to votes yet.

Also havnt seen a response to my vote which everyone else has done. I really think i should keep my vote on but i wont untill we all have definate confirmation of who we are going to lynch.

Also i notced that no one put a 2nd vote on overnight on twigs which gives me more reason to be sus considering everyone except ting posted.

@ ting and alabaska. What are your thoughts on twiggles?

[muffinhead]

OH. ogml got nk'd.

Reading the day 3 posts now.

hi ting i heard what happened after reading the help section and i really hope ur intrenet gets better because we really need some contirubtion from u as there are only 5 left

[muffinhead]

The way he reacted to being voted for.

[muffinhead]

Ok after looking back over the last 6 pages i remember y i found alabaska sus. It was because of how desperate he was to lynch sd. I suppose you could say iceman done the same thing but alabsaka had poor reasonsing. This is the reason for voting sd.

Also, I reread SD and I really think he is scum. vote: sd.

However as i said i do get town vibes and alabaska reminds me of X in playing style.

I think lynch twig today and discuss alabaska and ting tomorrow.

@ twigles.
1- Why shouldnt we lynch you today
2- what are ur thought on ting and alabaska

[muffinhead]

@muffin.

Why do you like a twig lynch over an alabaska lynch? You've never mentioned suspicions of twig as far as I can remember.

I say we lynch alabaska.

Cause twigs is scum. I explained in an above post y he is scum. I have town vibes to a certain extent of everyone but him. This big thing telling me he is scum. If he is not then u and alabaska are scum partners which i highly doubt.

Also, what about the way alabaska reacted?

As i already said he has acted just as X did which is y he gives me town vibes but i still think hes scum.

So ting a question. Do you think twigs is scum and why?

[muffinhead]

Ok after looking back over the last 6 pages i remember y i found alabaska sus. It was because of how desperate he was to lynch sd. I suppose you could say iceman done the same thing but alabsaka had poor reasonsing. This is the reason for voting sd.

Also, I reread SD and I really think he is scum. vote: sd.

However as i said i do get town vibes and alabaska reminds me of X in playing style. .

I think lynch twig today and discuss alabaska and ting tomorrow.

@ twigles.
1- Why shouldnt we lynch you today
2- what are ur thought on ting and alabaska

1. Because I am town and the town would lose if you lynch me

2. ting, after a slow start, is assisting the town well. I think it is most likely that he is town. I also don't think Alabalaska is that scummy. However, I don't really have any scum reads at the moment

What sort of answer is that. If ur town then ting and alabaska are scum. But u call them both town so I really dont understand u.

fos twiggles

. I personally want a twiggles lynch and nothing else at this stage. You will have to try convince me to go otherwise.

Also as iceman said how can u not have any suspicisions at this stage in the game?

[muffinhead]

and icemane what is with the sudden urge to lynch alabaska?

[muffinhead]

Nice quintuple post there, iceman.

@Alabaska

I don't think it's nitpicking or anti-town because what Ting said was legit -

it's reasonable to be suspicious of someone for pretending they don't know what the situation is, i.e. "what is it, 4 to lynch?"

According to what Ting says, you've been on the site for awhile, and

you seem to be trying to pretend you're a noob a few places in this game

, which seems like something you wouldn't feel the need to do if you were town.

And I love how you assume that I really did know the situation. I didn't know the situation. That's why I asked, dammit.

Also, where do I pretend to be a noob? You are leeching ting =) so bad…I'm sure scum won't quick hammer you when I vote you, as they wouldn't kill their partner in this situation (and you'd have to self-vote)

vote: icemanE

Also, seems like the OGML kill was to frame me. Nice job, pretending there was no reason for the kill then "remembering" what was said yesterday. Not a bad scum try at all.

well first of all I suggest remove the vote as we cannot afford to mis-lynch today. I find it ridculous that u have put a vote on KNOWING THE SITUATION escpically after unvoting him earlier. If u want to vote him then use major fos or say u would vote for him if we wernt in this scnario. No townie would put that vote in this sitauation.

fos alabaska

Question to alabaska. Who do u think is more likly to be scum out of ting and twiggles?

[muffinhead]

Ok this is a question i am hoping everyone can answer with a yes or no next time they post. Who here would be happy with a twiggles lynch right now?

[muffinhead]

@muffin.

I'd prefer an alabaska lynch. The thing that annoys me is all the replacing. Alabaska is basically a 4 person split personality as a result. It's worse than analyzing a lurker. Not his fault of course.

There's already me and iceman who want to lynch alabaska. He's effectively at L-1. Why not just join us? If you have a really good reason for suspecting twiglees more than alabaska though, or a good reason for thinking that alabaska is townier than twiglees, tell me and I'd be willing to switch.

At this stage I would rather keep this information to myself considering i would be giving half the info to scum if u understand.

[muffinhead]

Ok this is a question i am hoping everyone can answer with a yes or no next time they post. Who here would be happy with a twiggles lynch right now?

I got 1 answer from this. Ice and alabaska would u be happy to lynch twiggles at this stage or not.

[muffinhead]

Muffin - I'm going to get the ball rolling here with a vote on Twigs.

vote:Twiglees

why have u all of a sudden started a vote on twigs when u urself told everyone not to vote untill we have made a decision. I havnt even explained my twigs vote properly.

Even if everyone agrees to a lynch then i might still not be ready.

[muffinhead]

still waiting for alabakska to answer.

[muffinhead]

I'm not alright with a Twiglees lynch but I'm not sure I want to say why.

And no I'm not admitting to being scum.

I wonder why.

@ twiggles- if i havnt yet asked who do u think is scum out of ting,alabaska and iceman?

[muffinhead]

mod prod twiggles

there couldnt be a time we needed him to post more frequently

[muffinhead]

Haha. =)

I was reading through the page and was going to point out the cop thing, but it looks like Ice did it already. *cheers

Alabaska lynch muffin?

I am not ready and wont be untill I hear from twiggles.

[muffinhead]

mod

is it possible to put twiggles on auto prod where everytime he hasnt posted for 48 hours he becomes automatically proded? I would guess he has been proded at least 5-10 times and i just cant stand continously posting as its getting us no where.

I still think twigs is the lynch today and will only change my mind if twigs himself can give me a good explaination and answer my questions.

If twigs is town then he has let us down. Thats somthing to consider.

[muffinhead]

Alabaska - that claiming business is especially directed at you. You keep implying that you know something we don't, and yet you keep it concealed. THIS IS LYLO! If you have some kind of information that will assist us, PLEASE SHARE IT NOW! We NEED to make the right choice here and in my mind Alabaska is the obvious option - I don't see what's holding you back here, muffin, I really don't. Twigs isn't going to say anything to convince you to lynch him, so what are you even talking about with this:

I still think twigs is the lynch today and will only change my mind if twigs himself can give me a good explaination and answer my questions.

I am about as positive as I can get that Alabaska is mafia and he's essentially admitted it twice. I'm going to vote for him.

vote: Alabaska

Well first up there is NO WAY im letting twigs get away by posting absoultly nothing. His way around things has been by not posting whatsoever.

If alabaska is scum then twigs is his partner and i shouldnt have to explain y. I want to make sure that we have not only found scum today but have found scum partners since I doubt i will be alive tomorrow.

Therefore I have today to try figue out everything.

[muffinhead]

@ twigs- Just curious what is ur opnonion of ting?

I'm still here; just had a hectic few days.

I'll have a more in-depth post tomorrow as I have to go to bed but I currently think that muffinhead and Alabaaska may be scum. Alabaska has recently been dropping scum tells and seems to be making me look scummy along with him (I know about the inactivity; I'll attempt to be more active). muffinhead seems to have said in earlier posts that he will only lynch me today, which looks slightly like scum targeting town to guarantee a win at lylo. I won't vote now because it's lylo and I don't want to risk a scum quicklynch if I am wrong.

Ok well before I start i will explain my reasoning tomorrow after twiggles has done his proper review since Im busy and dont have much time to post.

Now the above post makes me think that u r sus of me twigs because I think ur scum? yet u never have seen me sus early on in the game. Therefore it makes me think ur just trying to make me look horrible.

I'm still sold on the Ala

Just to remind u that u were sold on the sd lynch. Not to say ur reasoing is wrong but when u say u r sold on someone that means u r 110%. Are u definatly sold on alabaska?

[muffinhead]

omg unvote him till tomorrow when i will explain myself. I cant believe how unimpatient everyone is.

[muffinhead]

Ok the time has come to reveal my test. The aim was to find scum partners so that by the time we reached day 4 in would be fast and a no brainer result.

This is how it worked. We are on day 3 and at lylo. Therefore the scum will win if we lynch a townie today. Thereore scum WILL NOT vote off their fellow partner. However scum will not want to make this look obvious so i spcifically looked out for a "only if i must" oponion or somthing on that line.

So ive been asking everyone about their oponions on others and who they think is scum. In day 2 and early day 3 i notcied ting and alabaska going at each other. Going by the above test gaureenties that these 2 are not scum partners. Also with icemanes great long posts and consdiering he is a newbie as well I saw him as definate townie.

So if its between ting,alabaska and twigs and the faxt ala and ting cannot be scum partners MUST mean twigs is scum. This is y I put that vote straight away to see how he would respond and to c whther others are willing to lynch him.

Straight away iceman put the vote on twigs. Well u can cross those 2 out stiraight away as being scum partners.

This looking the scummiest response because of as i said at the top that scum wouldnt want to make this look obvious.

said by ting

@muffin.

I'd prefer an alabaska lynch. The thing that annoys me is all the replacing. Alabaska is basically a 4 person split personality as a result. It's worse than analyzing a lurker. Not his fault of course.

There's already me and iceman who want to lynch alabaska. He's effectively at L-1. Why not just join us? If you have a really good reason for suspecting twiglees more than alabaska though, or a good reason for thinking that alabaska is townier than twiglees, tell me and I'd be willing to switch.

That certianly made me see ting and twigs as partners however i wanted to get twigs oponion from his side to confirm which is yet to come which seems to me he doesnt considering how many times I asked.

However this also popped up which looks just as bad.

I'm not alright with a Twiglees lynch but I'm not sure I want to say why.

And no I'm not admitting to being scum.

Also his reasoning for the cop was EVEN WORSE.

Also i never questioned iceman and ting as scum partners because I was worried it could get me lynched as it wouldve made me look crazy and i needed to still be trusted let alone the fact people were getting impatient.

This is what put me off the alabaska lynch afterwards.

I think that Alabaska is almost certainly scum, with muffinhead a possible partner. I don't support an Alabaska lynch just yet as I want a better read on everyone else, not only muffinhead.

Alabaska is scum for a multitude of reasons. He has been dropping massive scum-tells in a multitude of places. I think the three biggest are 830 "What is it, four to lynch?", 880 "I'm not alright with a Twiglees lynch but I'm not sure I want to say why. ", 884 "I get a small cop read from Twiglees. This is an alternative to his lack of voting. Reread his day two posts. Gave me a gist of cop w/ innocent on SD_Reaper.", and 890 "Dammit. :/ ". THe four votes to lynch seems to be an attempt to mislead townies into voting to allow quick hammer and scum win. 880 and 884 seems to be a bit odd. I feel that it is Alabaska, knowing that he will be lynched, attempt to attach himself onto the most scummy townie (me) to get my lynch tomorrow and to get a scum win. 890 builds on this because "Damnit" attempts to (and successfully does so) show a planned effort my scum-team Alabaska-Twiglees. I am very sure that Alabaska is scum.

Now this means that twigs,iceman and ting all want him lynched. That means that at least 1 scum must be in there which would make no sense whatsoever.

This is my true reasoning for backing off the alabaska lynch because IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

Therefore we are left with 2 possible scnarios accroding to my experiement.

ting-twigs
ting-icemane

Now scum WOULDNT VOTE TOGETHER as it would make them look to stubborn and stand out. Also because ting and iceman both had votes on alabaska at the same makes me highly doubt them as partners.

But of course there could be an error in his experiement if people wernt thinking straight or trying somthing odd. Also I cannot let alabaskas scuminess go by. Also the fact he doesnt want to lynch twigs for crap reasons.

Therefore here are the 3 possible scum groups from most to least scummiest

ting-twigs
alabaska-twigs
ting-iceman

I can guarrentee one of these are the scum pair

Now twigs is in the top 2 so thats why i like his vote however I proberbly would prefer to lynch twigs partner today whther its ting or alabaska (which is yet to be decided) so that tomorrow we can definatly lynch twigs tomorrow when im not around.

Now as I have school and homework for the rest of the week. I will do a whole game review looking specifically at how these possible scumgroups treated each other on the weekend.

Any questions?

[muffinhead]

…unless icemanE and you are scum…

well, yes I suppose. You haven't brought up a case on me that I'm aware of though.

@muffin.
Er, there's a number of things that aren't quite right there.

Thereore scum WILL NOT vote off their fellow partner.

Not true. This is called bussing, and being in lylo - I very much expect bussing. Why?

Because even if one scum dies today, it's

still

lylo tomorrow. After bussing a partner, you look really townlike. Especially if you started the wagon/made the most damning case/etc.

Then next day, the only thing left is to convince one of the townies the other is scum.

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So if its between ting,alabaska and twigs and the faxt ala and ting cannot be scum partners MUST mean twigs is scum. This is y I put that vote straight away to see how he would respond and to c whther others are willing to lynch him.

This one I quite agree with - however, you can come to the same conclusion on alabaska by elimination as well. Which is why I mentioned that I'd support a lynch on either one, but alabaska more so. I've said why already.

I'd prefer an alabaska lynch. The thing that annoys me is all the replacing. Alabaska is basically a 4 person split personality as a result. It's worse than analyzing a lurker. Not his fault of course.

There's already me and iceman who want to lynch alabaska. He's effectively at L-1. Why not just join us? If you have a really good reason for suspecting twiglees more than alabaska though, or a good reason for thinking that alabaska is townier than twiglees, tell me and I'd be willing to switch.

That certianly made me see ting and twigs as partners however i wanted to get twigs oponion from his side to confirm which is yet to come which seems to me he doesnt considering how many times I asked.

It only looks that way if you work from the premise that twigs is scum, and then look for a partner.

Me and ice are working on the premise that

alabaska

is scum, and then looking for a partner. Which is why I said I'd rather an alabaska lynch.

Now this means that twigs,iceman and ting all want him lynched. That means that at least 1 scum must be in there which would make no sense whatsoever.

I mentioned this already. It's either twigs is bussing alabaska, or you're scum trying to keep your partner alive. Either way, we lynch alabaska first, worry about the others later.

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Important: I could go on about the rest of your post, but I don't have time now. The important thing is you realize that scum

can

buss their partners. So, the premise of your whole post/experiment/analysis is wrong.

Look at everything again and consider that scum could vote for their partner, either to look better the next day, or just so that they don't look connected to each other - then make a case again.

Anyway,

vote:alabaska.

Muffin's said his piece. I still think alabaska is scum. Someone should hammer.

Ok first of all it may be lylo as well tomorrow but scum would obviously finish it off TODAY IF THEY GET THE CHANCE. Also ting its clear that u didnt read my last paragraph i suggest u look at what it says.

[muffinhead]

Also remember that they have 2 chances to win the game. It wouldnt be worth risking one of them because it leaves u with 33% chance of being lynched and still losing it from a clearly winnable position.

[muffinhead]

I did.

My main point is that you said scum wouldn't vote each other. I'm saying they most probably will. Just hoping you'll keep that in mind over the weekend.

Yes, they'll finish the game today if they get the chance. But if one of their own is being voted, they'll have no choice but to buss. Which twigs has just recently mentioned intending to do. Making alabaska-twigs more likely.

Unless you're scum with alabaska.

Either way, we lynch alabaska now. Worry later.

Ok if ur really sure then keep ur vote on alabaska. If twigs comes here and puts the final vote ending in a scum win then I had no part of it. If he doesnt then i will put the final vote on.

Either way we lynch twigs tomorrow if im not here.
Ur choice. But if u wait then u will get my review from the weekend. e have mislynched 2 days in a row and im desperate to make sure this doesnt happen again.

[muffinhead]

Also remember that they have 2 chances to win the game. It wouldnt be worth risking one of them because it leaves u with 33% chance of being lynched and still losing it from a clearly winnable position.

No. Let's

assume

I'm scum with alabaska. I started the wagon on him. I get him lynched. See how townlike that'll make me look when he comes up scum? That's what bussing is about.

If

I were scum, I'd look really townish the next day, the remaining two townies will be voting for the other. It doesn't drop the scum's odds at all.

Except when it looks like they're just hopping on the scum wagon because they don't want to look connected when their partner dies. Which is what twigs

could

be doing.

I suppose ur right.

Over the last 30 minutes ive somehow found time to scam through the first half of the game and dont have time to do the rest.

Not much to say since im not fully focused. Who ever it is the scum have done a very good job.

[muffinhead]

Oh while im here question for alabaska.

Ur at L-1 now. What have u got to say?

[muffinhead]

Alabaska- Why the hell have u put me in charge of this game. Really cant make a true by reading through everything till the weekend call till the weekend sorry.

Also just from curiousity tell me who u searched the first day?

[muffinhead]

Alabaska- Why the hell have u put me in charge of this game. Really cant make a true by reading through everything till the weekend call till the weekend sorry.

Also just from curiousity tell me who u searched the first day?

Um, I searched

you

night one. Innocent.

And sorry. I had scum reads on you and SD after day one but yours was more unclear and I felt SD's claim was testable.

And icemanE, I'm the cop. I'm not trying to play off of anyone's newness. I'm just reporting my investigations. It's easy for you to say this; being scum and all, you want to influence muffinhead to make sure you win just as much as I want him to make sure you don't win. However, I have facts (the actual alignments), so I believe I have the upper hand in this one. Town triumphs!

Ok my mistake theres only been 2 nights and i thought there were 3.

But how come ur claim has come so late? Why not at the start of day 3 when u knew icemane was scum. Sounds all pre planned and stuff and Right now i think u have made the claim over the last 48 hours. Explain urself.

[muffinhead]

Yes alabaska what stops u from thinking that twiggles is scum?

[muffinhead]

Well what is there for me to say. I was preety much convinced by alabaskas claim even though i was asking questions.

as for icemanes question
1- Cause i got a pm sayin im a townie
2- Cause ting wouldnt screw his own partner over in lylo.


Theres not much to talk about. I dont know y the hell im alive, played a fairly poor game and im ready to lynch twigs. The only good thing i done was look pro town. If ice is scum with alabaska then he is to good and desearves to win.

[muffinhead]

It was great fun to play with 9 great people. It was an absoulte pleasure and hope to see u around in other games.

vote twigs

[muffinhead]

ps happy bday twigs for the other day

[muffinhead]

ty rishi. Well what can I say, we won in the end somehow.

No offense twigs but u lossed that match putting that lynch on alabaska. I already had it in my head that either ice-ting was scum or twigs-alabaska were it. Other then that twigs u played a terrific game as scum.

To tell u all the truth i had totally fallen for alabaskas claim. Thats why I felt like a let down even though i was first to question him. The fact that alabaska never put a vote on me even though he was sus made me convinced he was cop.

There was also a stage where icemane was on L-1 and I had already typed out my vote to put the final vote on. In the end I clicked of it and decided id think about it in 24 hours and that i most definatly dont regret.

I still think it was best to lynch sd on day 2.

Now i hope to play with all of u again sometime in the future. Escpically sd since I havent seen him since.

Also I believe this goes into the record books for longest newbe game. WOOOHOOO.

[muffinhead]

There was also a stage where icemane was on L-1 and I had already typed out my vote to put the final vote on. In the end I clicked of it and decided id think about it in 24 hours and that i most definatly dont regret.

Thank God for that, heh heh.

Nice job everybody, thanks especially to the IC's, this game is pretty much the reason I know how to play now.

yes agreence.

[muffinhead]

Also I believe this goes into the record books for longest newbe game. WOOOHOOO.

Not even close. I was in a newbie game that lasted over six months. And that's when they only had 7 players.

My mistake, let me reword what I meant.

The biggest game posting wise. Well that is on the whole page.