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[Bacde]

Vote: Trivium

actual vote on actual mafia

[Bacde]

Vote: Trivium

actual vote on actual mafia

Oh fuck me, this guy.

Why did I join this.

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[Bacde]

Are you sure? What made you make that vote?

I think that Trivium is slightly town-aligned.

no one is slightly town aligned

they are either town or scum

[Bacde]

VOTE: iraonavp
Don't like voting the same person in RVS
Don't like the way he responded to pressure
Don't like how he casually mentioned his town-read on me

Youre both town.

Lets make a townbloc

oh man we are going to butt heads really hard this game

[Bacde]

VOTE: iraonavp
Don't like voting the same person in RVS
Don't like the way he responded to pressure
Don't like how he casually mentioned his town-read on me

iraonavp is town shame on you

[Bacde]

VOTE: Iraonvp

I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.

VOTE: iraonavp

Wagon, yo. Also, don't like early townreads with no real basis. Generally comes from scum.

these are examples of bad sheeping

Yeah Trivium is definitely scum

[Bacde]

Mainly town. His vote may have seemed opportunistic, but he also added an FOS on IaI with kind of solid reasoning, so that's a town-read from me. However I would like it if he gave his opinion on other things as well, such as my scum-read on yourself.

omg this is such obvious bs man its page 4 why are you explaining so much

no town would have thought this much about things already you are just spewing stuff to sound good lol

[Bacde]

VOTE: iraonavp
Don't like voting the same person in RVS
Don't like the way he responded to pressure
Don't like how he casually mentioned his town-read on me

Youre both town.

Lets make a townbloc

oh man we are going to butt heads really hard this game

I know you are most likely town.

Talk with me. Your points on Triv are good, but i think hes being dumbtown tbh

He's not, I just played a game with Triv

He's scum, look at the way he opened all nervous about wagons for no reason, and he is criticizing some players for wagoning with him but not others? He doesn't make any sense from a town pov.

He criticized players who hopped on the IaI wagon without explaining their reads but liked Jarjar's vote on the wagon for some reason, yet his top (contrived) critique of Jarjar is that he isn't explaining his reads.

He's already caught up in contradicting ideas and its only page 4 lol

[Bacde]

Like how is a 2nd vote on someone in any way 'opportunistic'

he's just making stuff up

[Bacde]

Liking Triv as town. His reads have mirrored mine thus far.

what a great reason to townread someone

[Bacde]

ironavp is town tho -_-

can we plz stop being so interested in him and find scum

[Bacde]

Like how is a 2nd vote on someone in any way 'opportunistic'

he's just making stuff up

It's opportunistic when you don't add anything. Done.

omg you proved that you are town with this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good thing you made it

I can't see right through it or anything

[Bacde]

Murdercats vote isn't really opportunistic though. It's just how he voted was slimy as F. He's basically calling it a policy vote but pretending it isn't.

Then what the hell is your vote

Cause I'm also scumreading ira. I only have 1 vote.

I wish you didn't have a semi-grudge against listening to me because I was scum last game and voted you all game lol

I know you aren't doing it on purpose but its definitely happening

[Bacde]

Murdercats vote isn't really opportunistic though. It's just how he voted was slimy as F. He's basically calling it a policy vote but pretending it isn't.

Then what the hell is your vote

Cause I'm also scumreading ira. I only have 1 vote.

I wish you didn't have a semi-grudge against listening to me because I was scum last game and voted you all game lol

I know you aren't doing it on purpose but its definitely happening

Huh? Not sure what ur talking about.

Well you aren't really responding to me or my points and I know you're good at mafia since you are so damn hard to mislynch

maybe listen to me this game?

I'll listen to you too i promise

[Bacde]

Daykill: MURDERCAT

[Bacde]

This is town fighting town at the moment

me too?

Wait you think everyone posting is town?

[Bacde]

Daykill: MURDERCAT

sick I'm town gj.

you promise?

[Bacde]

$5 says both iraonavp and murdercat are town

[Bacde]

Who wants to lynch Xkfyu as a joke?

[Bacde]

Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon

This is also basically why I think TM is town.

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Accountant is scum

Still up for lynching Xkfyu as a joke

Vote: Xkfyu

pls sheep

[Bacde]

Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon

This is also basically why I think TM is town.

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Accountant is scum

Still up for lynching Xkfyu as a joke

Vote: Xkfyu

pls sheep

Pls stop.

you have no sense of humor

and you're voting town I think so why should I stop

[Bacde]

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Townslip is townslip no matter what page it's on

???
what was the townslip

[Bacde]

Accountant talk to me about JJD's later posts.

Not too impresed tbh but not bad enough to reverse my read on him

Can people explain why iraon is town

he townslipped

[Bacde]

vote: accountant

[Bacde]

[Bacde]

basically iraonvp is playing exactly like someone I would push for an easy lynch if I was mafia so I'm just assuming he's town and finding the more likely mafias

[Bacde]

That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT

Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town

I'll keep that in mind after you flip mafia

[Bacde]

What exactly is this townslip people are talking about.

Remember when JJD was sheeping you without giving reasons? That's a townslip. Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with.

I have more faith in JJD's abilities than you I guess

[Bacde]

Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon

This is also basically why I think TM is town.

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Accountant is scum

Still up for lynching Xkfyu as a joke
calls

Vote: Xkfyu

pls sheep

Pls stop.

you have no sense of humor

and you're voting town I think so why should I stop

@bacde, why call accountant out for his townread of me if ur townreading me too?

Oh was he voting you? I didn't check which is why I put down "I think"

I'm not sure about your alignment tbh

[Bacde]

basically iraonvp is playing exactly like someone I would push for an easy lynch if I was mafia so I'm just assuming he's town and finding the more likely mafias

Maybe he seems like that because he's mafia.

maybe everyone (mafia included) is pushing him because he's playing like that

statistically, since every player is more likely to be town than mafia, I am more likely to be correct here in thinking that he is getting cop-out wagoned

so I have a better batting average with my method of scumhunting

[Bacde]

What exactly is this townslip people are talking about.

Remember when JJD was sheeping you without giving reasons? That's a townslip. Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with.

Oh. I thought people were talking about some kind of ira townslip

There was no ira townslip, that was Bacde being a snarklord

well at least you're smart I'll give you that

but JJD didn't townslip

saying he townslipped is like saying the last game JJD and I played together was his first game

[Bacde]

I like the cut of your jib.

subtle appeasement of player who is insulting Bacde with an attempt at making Bacde's arguments seem illegitimate

Accountant, I'm still willing to switch back to Trivium if you are willing to take off your blindfold and vote him with me =]

[Bacde]

Also still willing to lynch Xkfyu as a joke

[Bacde]

Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon

This is also basically why I think TM is town.

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Accountant is scum

Still up for lynching Xkfyu as a joke
calls

Vote: Xkfyu

pls sheep

Pls stop.

you have no sense of humor

and you're voting town I think so why should I stop

@bacde, why call accountant out for his townread of me if ur townreading me too?

Oh was he voting you? I didn't check which is why I put down "I think"

I'm not sure about your alignment tbh

so the who did u think he was voting for?

Lol I didn't know, I have a big ego so I was just assuming someone not voting who I wanted them to was voting for town

[Bacde]

Okay Bacde, Jae, you were right about cat being town, I'll give you that one

Nice, I don't really remember saying.much about cat but I'll take credit for sure

[Bacde]

ira is far from obvious town

True

Shouldn't Lynch it tho

[Bacde]

Check my game history. I never vote until I'm ready for the day to end.

Also this reads to me as "Please notice that I'm playing to my town meta."

Re bad read man self.meta exists and isn't always fake it can be real

[Bacde]

still wanna lynch Xkfyu as a a joke cmon guys it would be hilarious

[Bacde]

why xyk and not tam?

its not a hilarious joke if you suggest more than one person, it just becomes an awkward attempt at forcing lynches on afk ppl

[Bacde]

vote: trivium

seriously

[Bacde]

vote: trivium

seriously

Just because you think someone is bad doesn't meant they are scum. I understand this vote, but I feel like he's probably town who isn't reading well.

I don't think he's bad???

[Bacde]

I do recall. I'd say my play hasn't changed at all since I've been pretty damn successful playing the way I have.

heh heh

[Bacde]

ira is probably the player I've written the most on

iraonavp how many games have you played?

I would argue that confidence and self-assuredness is everything but a town tell. It's usually either a scum tell or a personality tell.

$5 says both iraonavp and murdercat are town

you're right

164 -Accountant, that's why i asked how new iraon is to this game. his tone seems stuffy and formal. but he might just write like that, and it could be misleading in trying to read authenticity of his posts. I haven't noticed anything wrong with his intent.

Rn i don't think iraon is anything and I don't see much material for anyone else to have a read there. But I would also understand if people read him in either direction

ira is far from obvious town

True

Shouldn't Lynch it tho

^^reasonable people

if you can't tell what the thread of my read on him is, I thought he was town earlier on, Accountant pointed out some stuff that I agreed could be a case for a scum read, but I felt like his tone obscures his intent, so I'm just waiting on deciding on that one. Idk why it's surprising to anyone that I think someone who writes kinda strange is the hardest to read in the game, but JarJar is way off the mark to say that he's the only person I've been ignoring.

EPM is town guys stop pushing ppl for having a playstyle you are unwilling to attempt to understand

[Bacde]

Accountant strikes town, but not evilpacman. Can't really read much of this, and I have to try really hard not to make up some random BS. The let's lynch xkfyu as a joke thing is really awkward, to the point where I feel like it's scummy, but weirdly scummy like it's trying to be too obvious. I also don't like how bacde brought up a previous game and claimed that jarjar had a grudge on him for being maf in it.

how does anyone think this is town lol holy buckets

[Bacde]

You know what, youre right

This is my scum play to defend town.

Problem is: im not lynching obvious fucking town in ira/triv.

More accountant votes plz

Oh fuck its also my meta to go after strong players.

Welp lynch me

Nah.

I just dont give a shit on what you have to say since we are going to agree to disagree

Nah.

I just give a shit on what you have to say since we are going to agree to disagree

Are we all just going to ignore this?

yes

[Bacde]

OK, this is my first game in yeeeeears and I got sick this weekend...something about ribs, sun and tequila? Anyhow, I think I beat the deadline. I dunno. I'm confused. The timer I was sent has expired, but I have a message saying midnight tonight...but not sure which timezone at midnight. I am in the U.S.- Central time, so it is 7:30 (or 19:30, whatever floats your boat) here.

Sorry about the delay...I am on page 8 so far. Just wanted to check in!

Out of curiosity- there seems to be an awful lot of people jumping around pointing fingers really early on- but really meaning it, not just to speed things along for clues...is this typical nowadays? It used to be a mafia warning sign...

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what do you want us to do, talk about the weather?

[Bacde]

"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.

This is lazy scumhunting. Why is that more likely to come from scum?

he's not actually scumhunting thats why his posts come across as lazy scumhunting fyi

[Bacde]

"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.

This feels like it could be playstyle though, there are a lot of players who will act like this. I overall don't get a feeling of defensiveness from TM.

pacmans defense satisfies me

Out of curiosity- there seems to be an awful lot of people jumping around pointing fingers really early on- but really meaning it, not just to speed things along for clues...is this typical nowadays? It used to be a mafia warning sign...

Hey Tam, how many games have you completed on this site?

$5 says trivium isn't going to like how you are satisfied with pacman's defense because he was subtely trying to encourage you to push pacman (he was trying to mislynch pacman the townie)

[Bacde]

I'm all caught up now. Thanks JaeReed. I'm still not sure what to make of all of that, or if it is anything at all. I'm still a bit tired and marathon read it, but for now I will just point out the bits that stand out to me.

I agree completely with JarJar and am also waiting patiently to hear back from evilpacman about this. I feel it's a bit suspicious.

Accountant seems to have just suddenly stepped in the game and literally gone for the nearest bare throat he saw, and has Iraon locked in his sights. The attack on him seems very direct and very forced somehow. As far as I can tell, the whole suspicion thing on Iraon was just him and trivium bumping heads slightly and he didn't seem to answer things quite right. I have gotten stuck in this trap myself so I agree that he probably just reads formal and maybe a tad awkward, but it could also be nervousness & defensiveness if he is bad. I don't really have a good read on him yet, but I do find it extremely weird that Accountant jumped on him like that and just won't let up. Accountant, can you shed some light on why you are so quick to jump on Iraon? You seem quite eager.

Town Mafioso- I find your entire demeanor highly suspicious, which, oddly, makes me think that that's just your Style, and an excellent smoke-screen for you when you are mafia...I will have to go back and eyeball a few of your games to see how that plays out, but you are either a character player, or I find you very sus...

Accountant- I have played more than 15 games..not sure exactly how many but you are welcome to look up my posts.

well at least you are town =] what's up

[Bacde]

Bacde where do you get that triv is pushing an ML on pac, last I saw he was accusing JJD of twisting pacs words to make him(pac) look scummy

hmm maybe I'm wrong

we should probably lynch a lurker today anyway

[Bacde]

vote: trivium

seriously

Just because you think someone is bad doesn't meant they are scum. I understand this vote, but I feel like he's probably town who isn't reading well.

I don't think he's bad???

I don't get it man

are you happy that I don't think you are bad or are you laughing at me or something

lol I seriously don't get it

[Bacde]

Vote: Iaminnocent

This is a scum that all of town should agree with lynching

[Bacde]

You wanna vote Iam with me? I'm serious lets do this

[Bacde]

lets speed it up with votes

[Bacde]

vote trivium

[Bacde]

That is not an answer. If scum is more likely to try to blend in and it looks townie when you provide reasoning, why is scum not more likely to provide reasoning?

dude this line of questioning is all mafia theory and not likely to reveal iavp's alignment

[Bacde]

like an IAI/Town Mafioso scumteam seems pretty probable to me right now

+1

[Bacde]

vote: IAI

I am implying iraon is town and MURDERCAT'S pushing is silly

[Bacde]

like an IAI/Town Mafioso scumteam seems pretty probable to me right now

+1

I can agree with that.

vote: IAI

I am implying iraon is town and MURDERCAT'S pushing is silly

Why? Also again why scumread IaI?

[Bacde]

If we start from the assumption that ira is town then pushing IaI is by far the best move, but I don't agree with that assumption.

Bacde: remind me your read on triv is what?

Trivium is a dude I'm willing to lynch

[Bacde]

Can we seriously just lynch trivium already the dude is scum

I'm ok with lynching either Tam or IAI but seriously the only reason I'm not voting Trivium is because everyone was unwilling to vote him for some reason but as soon as I move my vote off him everyone agrees with me?

This is bullshit I'd be pissed if I had a bigger ego

[Bacde]

vote trivium

[Bacde]

as a general rule I'm not interested in engaging with someone who is confirmed scum in my eyes, all I'll get is BS

dude you got your tunnel blinders on

I mean, I'll even admit Triv isn't confirmed scum

[Bacde]

just for the record I'm on page 2. I'll try to catch up as soon as possible! In the meantime, who the fuck is this mafiascum guy and why does he think he's allowed to complain at Bacde's overconfidence read-wise?

look at post #82

I had the same thought buddy

[Bacde]

unvote

I'm still willing to lynch Xkfyu as a joke Triv

[Bacde]

tbh I feel bad now something about Triv's emotional ploy makes me feel pity and also feel that he is town

[Bacde]

Thinking Jarjar could be scum

[Bacde]

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

This is stupid man I've been saying all game why I thought you were scummy

[Bacde]

Or how about the fact that I haven't seen anyone make a solid case on me?

You mean that no one has made a huge post with quotes about you. Thats different than not having a case. I've posted multiple elements of a case against you stop whining

[Bacde]

unvote

I'm still willing to lynch Xkfyu as a joke Triv

No, You're not doing this. If you genuinely feel bad about voting me, you can tell me why you did it in the first place.

are you not reading my posts or something?

[Bacde]

trivium if you keep pushing iraonavp I'm going to revote you btw

[Bacde]

responding to elements of a case don't negate that you've had scummy behaviors this game. Responding doesn't really mean anything tbh

[Bacde]

trivium who else besides irao is scum

I thought you just said scum unvoted you??

who is that scum?

[Bacde]

trivium who else besides irao is scum

I thought you just said scum unvoted you??

who is that scum?

You.

Triv I'm trying to work with you because your pity party made me think you might be town

but if you aren't going to use this moment to work with me and help me find scum I'm just gonna end up revoting you dude

Seriously man

Your incessant pushing of Irao who is not getting lynched today is like a huge crux of why I'm voting you, so work with me and find an actual scum

[Bacde]

trivium if you keep pushing iraonavp I'm going to revote you btw

I was just about to say the same thing. Not so much for that reason, but really...

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

So, you get that after talking yourself out of a hole, just a little, it's probably the worst idea ever to then attack the very people you just convinced that you weren't an asshole? I'm just sayin'...

trivium who else besides irao is scum

I thought you just said scum unvoted you??

who is that scum?

You.

Triv I'm trying to work with you because your pity party made me think you might be town

but if you aren't going to use this moment to work with me and help me find scum I'm just gonna end up revoting you dude

Seriously man

Your incessant pushing of Irao who is not getting lynched today is like a huge crux of why I'm voting you, so work with me and find an actual scum

This is obviously scum working together.

this read is so bad...

is it possible scum would purposely make such a terrible read?

this is the philosophical question I have to answer

[Bacde]

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

This is stupid man I've been saying all game why I thought you were scummy

No, you've been saying all game you thought the AFKs were scummy.

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

This is stupid man I've been saying all game why I thought you were scummy

Thinking Jarjar could be scum

So why, when you doubt your case, do you do what you're doing now instead of looking at your other scumreads who are also being voted?

Bacde, is it you in there?

Its more like I am willing to lynch the AFKs than I think being AFK is scummy

I want to see how trivium will react because I'm not 100% on my scumread of him, how is this hard to figure out?

[Bacde]

I need other people than scum to start posting again. I really do because I just found the scum team.

you think all the scum are conspiring together on d1 just to get a mislynch of you across?

dude do I really seem like I'm playing like I did last game even?

[Bacde]

trivium if you keep pushing iraonavp I'm going to revote you btw

I was just about to say the same thing. Not so much for that reason, but really...

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

So, you get that after talking yourself out of a hole, just a little, it's probably the worst idea ever to then attack the very people you just convinced that you weren't an asshole? I'm just sayin'...

trivium who else besides irao is scum

I thought you just said scum unvoted you??

who is that scum?

You.

Triv I'm trying to work with you because your pity party made me think you might be town

but if you aren't going to use this moment to work with me and help me find scum I'm just gonna end up revoting you dude

Seriously man

Your incessant pushing of Irao who is not getting lynched today is like a huge crux of why I'm voting you, so work with me and find an actual scum

This is obviously scum working together.

this read is so bad...

is it possible scum would purposely make such a terrible read?

this is the philosophical question I have to answer

Why. Why is it a bad read bacde. Give me something. Give me anything to suggest that it's a bad read.

Ok, lets start:

How does it seem to you like Tam and I are working together?

Tam can be mafia, sure

But what have we done that makes us "obviously working together"????????

Like that read is so out of left field I don't even know what to make of it

[Bacde]

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

This is stupid man I've been saying all game why I thought you were scummy

No, you've been saying all game you thought the AFKs were scummy.

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

This is stupid man I've been saying all game why I thought you were scummy

Thinking Jarjar could be scum

So why, when you doubt your case, do you do what you're doing now instead of looking at your other scumreads who are also being voted?

Bacde, is it you in there?

Its more like I am willing to lynch the AFKs than I think being AFK is scummy

I want to see how trivium will react because I'm not 100% on my scumread of him, how is this hard to figure out?

So now you're just 'looking for a reaction' I'm pretty sure I've reacted enough at this point bacde. You're scum.

Dude it would be so easy for me to just lynch you right now if thats what I wanted but instead I'm trying to understand you and you are convinced I'm scum because of it?

[Bacde]

I'm amazed you think scum would work this hard on d1 to pull off a mislynch of a random blue claim that we would "obviously work together"

I think its more likely that you are flustered flailing town or just not very convincing scum

Like, if you are town, why would scum NOT be sitting at the sidelines eating popcorn at this occurance?

[Bacde]

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

This is stupid man I've been saying all game why I thought you were scummy

No, you've been saying all game you thought the AFKs were scummy.

Scum made a mistake by voting me, because now it seems like they're backing off and don't want to be involved with it anymore. I want to hear from bacde, murdercat, and evilpacman as to why they thought I was scummy.

This is stupid man I've been saying all game why I thought you were scummy

Thinking Jarjar could be scum

So why, when you doubt your case, do you do what you're doing now instead of looking at your other scumreads who are also being voted?

Bacde, is it you in there?

Its more like I am willing to lynch the AFKs than I think being AFK is scummy

I want to see how trivium will react because I'm not 100% on my scumread of him, how is this hard to figure out?

So now you're just 'looking for a reaction' I'm pretty sure I've reacted enough at this point bacde. You're scum.

Dude it would be so easy for me to just lynch you right now if thats what I wanted but instead I'm trying to understand you and you are convinced I'm scum because of it?

Go ahead and fucking try, just the scum team is not enough to get a lynch.

I mean, I'm fairly certain JaeReed would vote for you if I decided to revote you since to him I'm obvtown

[Bacde]

I need other people than scum to start posting again. I really do because I just found the scum team.

you think all the scum are conspiring together on d1 just to get a mislynch of you across?

dude do I really seem like I'm playing like I did last game even?

I don't go by meta very much, but yes, you do. Not only that but even if you didn't that would make sense because you wouldn't want to play the way you did last game when there are multiple players who are in this game who played that one with you.

So I'm both playing the same and also it wouldn't make sense for me to play the same if I was scum??

Are you making a case for me being town?????

[Bacde]

Triv honestly I think you're just pissed at me right now and not thinking straight

Howabout we compromise and lynch Tam?

Since I agree his 'case' on you sucked and sounded like scum

[Bacde]

vote Tam

lmao @ you thinking I'm bussing

[Bacde]

Do I get a prize?

Ummm yes, you do! VOTE: Trivium Seriously man, I tried so hard to help you figure out what you were doing wrong and correct it, in the hopes that you were innocent and just really misunderstood.

I don't play around with the wishy washy 'you're great, you're horrible' back and forth players. I find it real scummy. Your opinion of people should not sway like trees in the wind. It can change, of course, but not so radically. You are really grasping for anything.. I'm pretty sure about you now.

I tried.

Since this post mostly

[Bacde]

vote Tam

lmao @ you thinking I'm bussing

Mafia made a mistake and you're not going to shrug it off by ridiculing my witnessing of it. I'm waiting until town start posting again.

Lmao dude if I was scum with Tam I'd ignore that post not bus him for it

[Bacde]

Triv I like you but I think you need a lot more mafia experience to understand what is actually scummy or townie and what scum/town are likely to do in certain situations

[Bacde]

I need other people than scum to start posting again. I really do because I just found the scum team.

Is this a regular occurrence for you, finding all 3 scum with absolute certainty d1?

Because I don't quite believe it.

Also, Tam, I don't like your last post on the previous page. I think that's totally fake. Why would you "hope" your SR is innocent? Why would you be so certain now when you were wishy-washy a moment ago? Sure, this "I got both scum" gimmick is incredibly incriminating, but I don't see how that sudden conviction makes sense. Your forewarning doesn't make it any better.

Predit: Um, what? Bacde? Those last three posts were abysmal, especially when taken in conjunction to the ones you made just this page. Since when have you SR'd Tam?

I don't think you understand my "are you making a town case of me" post

I'm trying to point out to Triv that he isn't making any sense with his flailing and hoping he will cool down and come to his senses tbh

[Bacde]

I need other people than scum to start posting again. I really do because I just found the scum team.

Is this a regular occurrence for you, finding all 3 scum with absolute certainty d1?

Because I don't quite believe it.

Also, Tam, I don't like your last post on the previous page. I think that's totally fake. Why would you "hope" your SR is innocent? Why would you be so certain now when you were wishy-washy a moment ago? Sure, this "I got both scum" gimmick is incredibly incriminating, but I don't see how that sudden conviction makes sense. Your forewarning doesn't make it any better.

Predit: Um, what? Bacde? Those last three posts were abysmal, especially when taken in conjunction to the ones you made just this page. Since when have you SR'd Tam?

I don't think you understand my "are you making a town case of me" post

I'm trying to point out to Triv that he isn't making any sense with his flailing and hoping he will cool down and come to his senses tbh

I'm making so much sense and you aren't doing anything to defend yourself except for claim that I'm flailing.

I actually haven't tried to defend myself from your accusations

[Bacde]

Bacde, you've been repeatedly saying things directed at Trivium that I can only imagine you saying to/about someone you believe to be town-sided.

I wonder why that is

I mean I just made a deal with Triv and voted for someone who he thinks is scum and I actually agree about

I'll let you figure out why I'm talking to Triv as tho I think he is town lol

[Bacde]

Bacde, you've been repeatedly saying things directed at Trivium that I can only imagine you saying to/about someone you believe to be town-sided.

I wonder why that is

I mean I just made a deal with Triv and voted for someone who he thinks is scum and I actually agree about

I'll let you figure out why I'm talking to Triv as tho I think he is town lol

It was a sudden switch. You said you'd revote him a moment ago. You can't blame me for being confused, especially when you use the word "compromise" in the one of same posts as if you would still prefer to vote him or something.

I said compromise because Triv wanted me or Irao

Just vote Tam with us we can deal with Triv being obstinate later

Yeah I switched suddenly but my read on Tam switched suddenly too, and Tam's vote on Triv doesn't read like a bus to me so I think Triv could be town

plus his "woe is me" posts really hit me in the heart, I dunno maybe I'm a sucker

[Bacde]

Triv you are posting more now then back when you were not being suspected. That's evidence of scum not wanting to get lynched. Maybe you are town who doesn't know what's going on, but you're a good day 1 lynch, imo. I don't buy the pity party, sorry.

LOL I don't care if anyone 'buys' that, I just wanted some of it off my chest, because I was pissed. I'm posting more now than when I was not being suspected because I found the scum team. What do you think of that whole ordeal, by the way?

this actually seems like a town post to me

The confbias, it is real

[Bacde]

Trivium--the player to enter the Bacde crucible and live to tell the tale

[Bacde]

He was saying he himself had confirmation bias, I think.

+++

[Bacde]

omg this is such obvious bs man its page 4 why are you explaining so much

Explaining too much is somehow scummy?

Oh wait tomato avatar.

Nvm but that's a bad post if you are town just saying.

I only have one question for you. Being completely honest here. How serious on a scale of 1-10 was your push on tivium?

who are you and why are you pretending to be good at mafia?

[Bacde]

yes explaining too much is scummy

explanations for behavior are stupid because you can always make something fake up

behavior itself can't be faked tho, its why I don't really give a lot of credence to people explaining shit and try to instead look at their actions

[Bacde]

somehow a carebear is better than a tomato?

you sound jealous

[Bacde]

somehow a carebear is better than a tomato?

you sound jealous

don't let him get to you bacde your tomato icon rocks

thanks buddy

i hope you stay in this game =]

[Bacde]

I'm not pretending to be anything. I completely disagree with you on that though.

I also don't have an issue with your avatar. It just triggered a memory for me.

ugh why are you tearing apart all the townread i built on trivium

its like i want to switch back to you for some reason

[Bacde]

I'm not pretending to be anything. I completely disagree with you on that though.

I also don't have an issue with your avatar. It just triggered a memory for me.

ugh why are you tearing apart all the townread i built on trivium

its like i want to switch back to you for some reason

Dude If me disagreeing with you makes you think I'm scum, you better just vote me now cause that opinion was really bad. But I'm not really sure why your read would change on somebody just cause they don't share your opinions. That's kind of a narrow minded thought process and I really should know cause I used to be the king of narrow minded thought processes.

nah its not cuz you disagree with me about opinions

[Bacde]

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[Bacde]

Oh I misread Your post. It's not about difference of opinions but that is what it looks like to me. Anyway I don't really care so moving on.

a town post from robb !

[Bacde]

Wow, in a nutshell, no Robb, I posted a few times EXACTLY why I voted. I thought the others's reasons were okay, but pointed out that it was Trivium's reactions to the whole thing that made me vote him. I then tried really hard to help him out, thinking maybe he was a townie who was misunderstood, as I have been in that spot before and it's frustrating. (I said ALL OF THIS BTW. I'm not sure why you guys are saying I never gave my reasons.) You also say, in the post directly after the one you say i am sus in, that you are most suspicious of people who lurked while Trivium was under fire..I was right in the spotlight, trying to figure this all out. Can you explain this further? Because there were only like 3 of us talking at all. Half the town still hasn't shown up and a third ran away and got replacements.

Also, what did I do that suddenly I am catching votes? I missed something clearly. I would like to point out that while I am being blamed for not giving reasons for my vote, NOT A SINGLE VOTER OF ME IN THIS GAME HAS GIVEN A REASON. They have all just either said Vote...like JaeReed and murder, or said I say all the right things, which is literally the opposite of saying the wrong things. I have asked that these people elaborate but when getting no response from anyone about it, just blew it off, because it didn't seem valid to me.

Can anyone give me an actual reason why I'm suspicious? Again, it would be nice to have something to actually be able to defend.

Also, I don't feel my revote of Trivium to have been wishy washy at all. I never said I was unvoting him permanently, I said quite clearly that it was just to see how it all played out, because he finally had taken my advice and tried defending himself instead of whining. When he then flipped out again on the people who he had just convinced to unvote him, it was a major red flag for me. Please note that HE DID NOT ATTACK ME he was after Bacde...who then turned the tables somehow and shifted the blame on me. It was not a defensive move. It was more of an epiphany that he was scum. I still can not even imagine what it is I actually did to look scummy. And since then the two votes I've gotten have not said anything about why they voted me.

Robb- Saying that being too defensive, or even defensive, is not a thing, is BS. It most certainly is, but has often also been found to be townies that got upset and confused about being blamed wrongly. But don't try and negate the very clear mistakes that your predecessor made. It's ridiculous to claim that they don't exist...

I think this is a town-aligned post.

Bacde is seemingly just repeating to lynch Tam even when he isn't literally doing that and I find it suspicious.

I like how you characterize my play based on 1 post in the entire game

wait no I don't like that it feels lazy man

[Bacde]

i cant believe bacde is playing forum mafia

bruh look at my join date

i was OG forum mafia b4 i ever play epicmafia

[Bacde]

Bacde I like how you refuse to answer anyone in a meaningful way

what about robb has been scummy

Predit: You're ignoring what I said about Tam, Ira. That post was also my reason and aside from gut I think I mentioned why. Well, maybe I didn't, but it's certainly false-sounding. This pretense of having tried "so hard" to help Trivium before revoting him as a response to him scumreading her is very, as Robb might put it, "scum motivated."

I like it too =]

I dunno what kind of meaning you are really searching for on d1... its just towntell and lynch someone who isn't towntelling no explanations required...

[Bacde]

sonrio's prob gonna end up as our d2 lynch if Tam flips town

[Bacde]

dude lynching iraonvp was so 2015

[Bacde]

Sonrio your town circle doesn't even include me or JaeReed I can't take it seriously

Also TAM was never at L-1 he was at L-2

[Bacde]

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[Bacde]

Literally nothing Tam has said since the wagon has made me want to stop voting her

[Bacde]

The pacman wagon feels more quick and less thought out than the Tam wagon tbh

I haven't particularly townread or scumread MURDERCAT this game but my interest is now piqued with the new wagon shift, mostly at his behest

[Bacde]

Why did robb replace

What is with the trivium slot and why is it so malignant?

Should we lynch it?

[Bacde]

The Tam wagon died in way too sketchy of a fashion for it not to be on scum imo

[Bacde]

55 pages is too long for d1

[Bacde]

What a surprise Tam's activity dropped to the shitter when the pressure is off

[Bacde]

The Tam wagon died in way too sketchy of a fashion for it not to be on scum imo

That would imply that you believe that JarJar and I are scum (or at least one of us)? Because one of the unvotes was JaeReed.

55 pages is too long for d1

I agree.

What a surprise Tam's activity dropped to the shitter when the pressure is off

That's actually not accurate. Her last post came when she was at 5 votes, and a significant amount of time had passed before anyone unvoted her.

Actually its perfectly accurate. Her last post is not a good measure of when she became inactive, since she must have been active to make that post. As I see it, back when she had 5 votes she was posting, and now when she has less she isn't. This isn't that complicated and I don't appreciate you trying to obfuscate the truth.

[Bacde]

That would imply that you believe that JarJar and I are scum (or at least one of us)? Because one of the unvotes was JaeReed.

This isn't true at all

Note how support for and discussion of the Tam wagon just seems to have died

No one is even talking about it anymore

People who weren't on the wagon were still talking about it, and now no one is.

There is a significant portion of people here (scum) who have stopped talking about Tam in hopes the issue will disappear

[Bacde]

I know I sound like a broken record, but we aren't ever gonna get any closer to a lynch if people don't start putting their votes somewhere where it actually means something.

VOTE: tam

Thank goodness

honestly impoetic is probably town just for this

[Bacde]

Do I get a prize?

Ummm yes, you do! VOTE: Trivium Seriously man, I tried so hard to help you figure out what you were doing wrong and correct it, in the hopes that you were innocent and just really misunderstood.

I don't play around with the wishy washy 'you're great, you're horrible' back and forth players. I find it real scummy. Your opinion of people should not sway like trees in the wind. It can change, of course, but not so radically. You are really grasping for anything.. I'm pretty sure about you now.

I tried.

You guys, no amount of discussion or even 20 more pages of talk about random bullshit will change that this post right here is a scum post made by scum and doesn't make sense from a town perspective

There really is no reason to continue today after having caught this imo

No amount of "defending" Tam does about this post will change that she made it

[Bacde]

There's no way this game is as simple as Jarjar, Xkfyu, and Tam all being mafia but thats how I feel right now

[Bacde]

There's no way this game is as simple as Jarjar, Xkfyu, and Tam all being mafia but thats how I feel right now

I thought that's not what you were implying?

Hmm I guess it is

I dunno it just sounded better when I said it. You made it seem like it was stupid or something

[Bacde]

Bacde, JaeReed, Impoetic, Murdercat

This is who I've got as town right now. I want to put accountant in there but he is tunneling too much for my liking which is a good way to hide as scum tbh so I'm just not sure. Fair to say I think he's probably town tho

[Bacde]

There's no way this game is as simple as Jarjar, Xkfyu, and Tam all being mafia but thats how I feel right now

I thought that's not what you were implying?

Feel free to keep trying to nitpick my points rather than engage with me in discussion tho I really appreciate it

[Bacde]

How else would you measure when she became inactive, if not by her last post? You certainly can't say that she was active anytime AFTER that.

No shit? I'm saying she was inactive after that. We are agreeing about this apparently so why are you arguing with me?

[Bacde]

Besides, there was also a long stretch of time, when she was on 4 and 5 votes, where she wasn't posting as well. So, your point about her inactive periods coming while there is no pressure on her is invalid anyways.

You have to see the patterns in the noise. Right now I think you are attempting to use the noise to hide the patterns

[Bacde]

Not Voting (2):

Sonrio, evilpacman18

This is where we should be lynching from today.

X

[Bacde]

can we lynch sonrio please? Nothing he has down is town.

Nothing he has done is scummy tbh

[Bacde]

You are clearly trying to make me look bad. Blatantly...

almost as though he wants to lynch you and wants to convince other people to lynch you

but seriously though this is copyright infringement, slander arguments are reserved for iraonvp to make

Wait, so you're saying it's townie behavior to purposely twist people's words around the wrong way round and try to convince people they're scummy for it? Really?

Also, please explain 'slander arguments'? What do you mean? Like you slandering me and others i guess, all game long?

(Seriously though- what do you mean?)

Lmao Tam is here, what a surprise I could have sworn her being inactive was legit right guys?????????

@JaeReed, Tam is not town for "wagon stuff", the wagon stuff actually points towards her being scum considering how easy the wagon fell apart

[Bacde]

I know I sound like a broken record, but we aren't ever gonna get any closer to a lynch if people don't start putting their votes somewhere where it actually means something.

VOTE: tam

Thank goodness honestly impoetic is probably town just for this

For voting with you? Sure, I buy it.

How else would you measure when she became inactive, if not by her last post? You certainly can't say that she was active anytime AFTER that.

No shit? I'm saying she was inactive after that. We are agreeing about this apparently so why are you arguing with me?

Because you aren't making any sense? I have been gone for 48 hours...i skipped one night after a long workday and when I left I had loads of pressure (just no time or energy to deal with it last night) so when the votes fall down and the pressure is off on my return it makes no sense to say I suddenly left when it was off. You are clearly

trying

to make me look bad. Blatantly...

Sorry I should have done this before. UNVOTE: xSoniaNevermindx

I'm really not sure who I want to vote yet. There are a few in the running ATM.

So you are accusing me of being scum? I'm not trying to make anyone look bad I just call out bad scummy behaviors

I def didn't try to make Trivium look bad when I was trying to lynch him, I just thought he was actually bad

You are so clearly scum lol

[Bacde]

You are clearly trying to make me look bad. Blatantly...

almost as though he wants to lynch you and wants to convince other people to lynch you

but seriously though this is copyright infringement, slander arguments are reserved for iraonvp to make

Wait, so you're saying it's townie behavior to purposely twist people's words around the wrong way round and try to convince people they're scummy for it? Really?

I see it come from town a lot. People say misrep is a scumtell tho but I'm not entirely sure.

Dude just because Tam says I'm misrepping doesn't mean I'm misrepping

You can't just humor everything everyone says, you have to actually insert your own opinion about if someone is just bullshitting

I am not misrepping so this is a case of Tam just making stuff up

[Bacde]

You are clearly trying to make me look bad. Blatantly...

almost as though he wants to lynch you and wants to convince other people to lynch you

but seriously though this is copyright infringement, slander arguments are reserved for iraonvp to make

Wait, so you're saying it's townie behavior to purposely twist people's words around the wrong way round and try to convince people they're scummy for it? Really?

I see it come from town a lot. People say misrep is a scumtell tho but I'm not entirely sure.

Dude just because Tam says I'm misrepping doesn't mean I'm misrepping

You can't just humor everything everyone says, you have to actually insert your own opinion about if someone is just bullshitting

I am not misrepping so this is a case of Tam just making stuff up

Like, I agree misrepping can be town or scum but even the fact you are engaging with Tam about that point bothers me because it didn't even happen in the first place

[Bacde]

For voting with you? Sure, I buy it.

I mean it was a plus, but what made imp obv town was that she took a definitive stance at a critical moment in the game in a townie way

but she gets style points for voting with me I admit that

Literally nothing you've done this game has been relevant or occured at critical moments

Its like the exact opposite for you actually

[Bacde]

You see how my thought process is deep and involved and well thought out no matter how much you try to scoff off my thoughts as shallow and stupid? Thats because I'm town. No amount of trying to make fun of what you see on the surface is going to even scratch at how I'm pretty obviously town right now and on the right track

[Bacde]

Like, I agree misrepping can be town or scum but even the fact you are engaging with Tam about that point bothers me because it didn't even happen in the first place

I don't think you were misrepping anything, was just putting in a general comment. I honestly wasn't following the whole inactivity argument closely because I don't like activity "tells". That said, I did notice newbscum are more likely to hardcore lurk. I don't think Tam is newbscum tho so the inactivity/beetlejuicing just seems null to me.

Ok what do you think of the actual argument about why Tam is scummy as opposed to just how Tam is now being inactive to avoid wagons which is more of an adjunctive argument that supports my initial thoughts

I feel like you've written off Tam as scum and I'm not sure why

[Bacde]

Who made the case? As far as I can see it was just a compromise lynch. Then not liking the way she pushed on Trivium, which at the time it happened I can't see anything sus in her ISO.

I really think this is a compromise low activity lynch even more now? She's overly explanatory I guess but I can be as town too. I'm feeling it less as of like post 12 in her ISO.

Yes I used the word "compromise" to goad trivium into voting my top scumread at the time

Tam is anything but a compromise lynch

she is my #1 scumread

her posts have not been townie

the post of hers I have been posting over and over is probably the scummiest post that has been made in this entire game

Unless someone scum slips there really is no reason to lynch anyone else

We aren't lynching her for "low activity", we are lynching her for being scummy as fuck and for using low activity as a tactic to avoid votes and get people to look elsewhere, she is using activity strategically

This is MUCH different than lynching a lurker

[Bacde]

I don't think my reads are very good and I'm being totally feckless about them so there's that. I know from my first game this comes off as ate/wanting to not be held accountable for reads, but it's really true. If I really had confidence in either of my scumleans, I would be pushing.

Tam has been a lynch candidate for a LONG time now. Why do you think it's so difficult to get her wagon to gain any serious traction?

Because she is scum =]

[Bacde]

Who made the case? As far as I can see it was just a compromise lynch. Then not liking the way she pushed on Trivium, which at the time it happened I can't see anything sus in her ISO.

I really think this is a compromise low activity lynch even more now? She's overly explanatory I guess but I can be as town too. I'm feeling it less as of like post 12 in her ISO.

I made the case

You might have not recognized it because I didn't do the "here are 12 posts with my interpretation underneath them" style of case that everyone on this website creams their pants over

[Bacde]

3.5 days left of this phase w/ no end in sight.

I think Jaereed should just nominate 2 candidates and everyone picks their horse today.

Tam is the lynch for today its pretty clear

[Bacde]

pac is better than all three, tam is better than pac

++++

[Bacde]

If pac got lynched I wouldn't cry about it but anyone other than Tam or maybe pac is a bad lynch for today imo

[Bacde]

You aren't going to die tonight JaeReed

[Bacde]

Especially if we lynch town because you are so gung-ho about sheeping Murdercat for some reason

[Bacde]

Sonrio is such a bad lynch

Town will gain 0 information from lynching sonrio even if he ends up being scum randomly

Seriously just assume that slot is a crapshoot right now, 70% town 30% scum is about the odds

Actually more like 75% to 25%

[Bacde]

If pac got lynched I wouldn't cry about it but anyone other than Tam or maybe pac is a bad lynch for today imo

That's how I feel as well. I was actually leaning slight town on him, so I really expected the pacman lynch to take off, once JarJar and I both switched over to him, but we got absolutely nothing.

You were voting someone you felt slightly town about?

[Bacde]

If we all want to quicklynch Jarjardrinks for the lulz I'd be down since I don't really feel like that slot is town but I don't want to make a case

otherwise I want Tam

[Bacde]

I agree Impoetic must be the scum in the group of Tam/Xkfyi/evilpacman

[Bacde]

I agree Impoetic must be the scum in the group of Tam/Xkfyi/evilpacman

Lol I read that and was about to make a "wut" post but then I saw you already did. Ur the best.

<3

[Bacde]

Jarjar we still have 2 days tbh

[Bacde]

If we are going to do a last-minute lol-lynch (like what is happening to evilpacman right now) I'd rather we do it on Jarjar

Remember we already know Tam's role isn't something useful since she didn't claim in anger earlier and we have no idea about evilpacman tbh

[Bacde]

Bacde, I thought you were fine with a pacman lynch? Wasn't your lynch preference Tam, pacman, and myself?

Tam, Jarjar, pacman is like meh lynch but it could be worse

[Bacde]

Remember we already know Tam's role isn't something useful since she didn't claim in anger earlier and we have no idea about evilpacman tbh

Wait, what? So you were pressuring me in the hopes that I was a useful town role and would out myself? Why would I have done that?

VOTE: Evilpacman I welcome a vig tonight if you lot will let me live. Then when I'm confirmed town you'll listen more to me. I think a lot of why you think I'm sus is because of playing style. A lot has changed about the rules and the way you guys interact compared to back when I played.

Tam hasn't fossed evilpacman all game and is literally just voting it to preserve her own life can we please lynch Tam?

This has nothing to do with playstyle, I've stated multiple times that Tam is objectively scummy

[Bacde]

Bacde, I thought you were fine with a pacman lynch? Wasn't your lynch preference Tam, pacman, and myself?

Tam, Jarjar, pacman is like meh lynch but it could be worse

What JarJar? I don't remember you mentioning him as a lynch possibility.

I did briefly

[Bacde]

Tam isn't a PR btw

[Bacde]

Gg

[Bacde]

I think I know how to read you now bacde

I hope so I hate being scum read as town

[Bacde]

I shouldn't have let myself get killed, I don't think I would've allowed Accountant to slip by like that. I was already starting to scum read Accountant before I got busy and couldn't participate as much.

tbh I slacked off on making sure you didn't get lynched too and we payed for it

[Bacde]

GJ scum well done!

Smart play too, remember its not about being townread, its about surviving and winning at the end! (which includes killing players that scumread you haha)

[Bacde]

Unfortunately Bacde you were so townread it made sense you died for that reason so we couldn't assume you had scum pegged.

Yeah also accountant was such obvious town it made sense to Lynch with 4 alive

=P

[Bacde]

Btw I was right about iraonavp being pushed by Mafia =]

[Bacde]

Scum thread?