Open 571- Pick Your Poison Game over

[reinoe]

Based on the last eleventy billion Pick Your Poison games the roles are almost definitely...

1 shot cop
innocent child
2 shot vig.

Anyone who doesn't claim one of these should just be lynched.

[reinoe]

One or both of a ankamius and alchemist is scum.

Al' reads list is just things that could maybe possibly be suspicious and lacks any town reads. Ank supports al without question.

[reinoe]

Based on the last eleventy billion Pick Your Poison games the roles are almost definitely...

1 shot cop
innocent child
2 shot vig.

Anyone who doesn't claim one of these should just be lynched.

This is a really bad idea.

^ what happens when scum start fake claiming reinoe

It's precisely because of fake claims that anything besides those three roles should be hammered. Scum can fake roles not in this game without ever being countered. Those three roles are almost always taken.

[reinoe]

Al' reads list is just things that could maybe possibly be suspicious and lacks any town reads. Ank supports al without question.

What?

I specifically asked him for his reads because he was doing nothing but just asking questions constantly and not making anything about his conclusions public. Now that he's posted them, I see a town trying to figure things out rather than a mafia trying to fluff his way out of the spotlight.

You don't think it's odd that there's exactly 0 town reads in there AND you're feigning confusion after I point this out.

[reinoe]

Alchemist, do you have any reads?

I can't say I have any accurate reads since I'm unfamiliar with the players so something that means nothing might seem scummy to me, but so far:

.

No, those are not town reads ankimius. In addition to pointing out that Al's own town reads have scummy traits, al qualifies that reads list with not being accurate.

Al's reads list is just a bunch of accusations even towards his "town" reads.

[reinoe]

All that indicates is that he's not confident with being able to read people in this game. I'm not confident that my reads are right either, but it's kind of hard to be when we're this early in the game. It doesn't change whether he has reads or not, nor does it change what the reads he has actually mean.

What I see is town trying to figure out the game. It's not too difficult to guess what his reads are based on what he's posted, so I'm satisfied with where he's at for the moment. I don't even understand why not having town reads is relevant to anything anyway.

Of course you can't admit that there's nothing suspicious about his reads list. The fact that it's a bunch of garbage to make himself look busy can't be pointed out by scum buddies.

[reinoe]

VOTE: alchemist

[reinoe]

Please excuse typos and syntax errors etc. I'm phone posting.

[reinoe]

Guys...please stop speculating on my playstyle.

I maintain an up-to-date wiki for a reason.

facts>speculation

[reinoe]

Krystal Bald and Aphix are both terrible.

Vote Alchemist or Ankamius plz.

[reinoe]

Based on the last eleventy billion Pick Your Poison games the roles are almost definitely...

1 shot cop
innocent child
2 shot vig.

Anyone who doesn't claim one of these should just be lynched.

This is a really bad idea.

^ what happens when scum start fake claiming reinoe

It's precisely because of fake claims that anything besides those three roles should be hammered. Scum can fake roles not in this game without ever being countered. Those three roles are almost always taken.

What are your thoughts on this Krystal?

[reinoe]

VOTE: alchemist

Wrong choice.

VOTE: Reinoe
.

So you think Ankamius is more likely to be scum than Alchemist? If so why?

[reinoe]

So you think Ankamius is more likely to be scum than Alchemist? If so why?

No,

you

do.

Your logic necessitates Ank-scum independent of Alchemists' alignment.
Either he's scum bolstering his buddy's reads, or he's scum buddying a townie.

Your vote is on the wrong slot for your argument.

Hence why my vote is on you.

You've got it backwards. Al's reads are shit-posting. He's scum. Ank could be naive town who likes shit or could be scum buddy giving fake town cred.

[reinoe]

You've got it backwards. Al's reads are shit-posting. He's scum. Ank could be naive town who likes shit or could be scum buddy giving fake town cred.

Can town not have shit reads?
Is it more likely that scum is buddying a shit-reading town, or that town is LOLOKLOOKSGOOD about scum shit-posting?

It's not about the shit reads: I'm indifferent to those. It's that Al's entire post was just flinging suspicion at people. Even his town reads had subtle suspicions thrown around.

Read post 151 again and ask yourself: does this post have a town motivation or a scum motivation?

After you do that I'm sure you'll help lead the wagon on alchemist.

[reinoe]

btw reinoe

I don't like anything reinoe is doing. all he's done so far is comment about roles and push a theory that one or more of Alchemist/Ank are scum. his entrance reads more like scum who isn't sure how to blend in with the thread, so he attempts to focus on setup spec to cover it up; it's also really bad that he calls out Alchemist for not having any town reads, while not having any himself.

I made a case on you that has nothing to do with aggression or playstyle. respond to it instead of dodging it.

-Yuu

Why should I give a damn about your case on me?

[reinoe]

Based on the last eleventy billion Pick Your Poison games the roles are almost definitely...

1 shot cop
innocent child
2 shot vig.

Anyone who doesn't claim one of these should just be lynched.

This is a really bad idea.

^ what happens when scum start fake claiming reinoe

It's precisely because of fake claims that anything besides those three roles should be hammered. Scum can fake roles not in this game without ever being countered. Those three roles are almost always taken.

What are your thoughts on this Krystal?

well i was thinking that scum could just fake claim those particular roles

You think scum could easily fake-claim 2-shot vig or innocent child?

[reinoe]

Why should I give a damn about your case on me?

if you legitimately do not understand this, I do not have any faith you would ever be capable of understanding it

the whole point is that you explain to me why I'm wrong so that, if you are town, I can fix my read on you

there is also the fact that if no one ever responds to cases made on them, all it does is allow scum to hide by just dodging every single time someone calls them out

there are several other reasons why making arguments and responding to them is literally how the game works. what you are doing is anti-town as fuck and as long as you keep dodging I have no choice other than to assume you have no explanation. so, try again

-Yuu

Why can't it be that I just don't care? Let's say your theory that you've put too much though into is true. Do you think me not giving a fuck about your case is scummy? If you do think it's scummy how scummy do you think it is?

[reinoe]

Why can't it be that I just don't care? Let's say your theory that you've put too much though into is true. Do you think me not giving a fuck about your case is scummy? If you do think it's scummy how scummy do you think it is?

HELL FUCKING YES. town who have an incorrect case pushed on them should, you know, be able to actually EXPLAIN why the case is wrong. on the other hand, scum are more likely to get defensive or just outright ignore arguments against them, which is what you're doing here.

also, you trying to discredit my argument because "lol I put too much thought into it" is scummy as fuck.

-Yuu

This is actually kinda fun...

what's your opinion of Alchemist "dodging" my case on him?

[reinoe]

Why can't it be that I just don't care? Let's say your theory that you've put too much though into is true. Do you think me not giving a fuck about your case is scummy? If you do think it's scummy how scummy do you think it is?

HELL FUCKING YES. town who have an incorrect case pushed on them should, you know, be able to actually EXPLAIN why the case is wrong. on the other hand, scum are more likely to get defensive or just outright ignore arguments against them, which is what you're doing here.

also, you trying to discredit my argument because "lol I put too much thought into it" is scummy as fuck.

-Yuu

This is actually kinda fun...

what's your opinion of Alchemist "dodging" my case on him?

Lulz. It's like the Matsumi Sisters saw exactly where I was going with this and decided to shut the fuck up. I see you logged in on the bottom of the forum page.

[reinoe]

This is actually kinda fun...

what's your opinion of Alchemist "dodging" my case on him?

:/

what I find scummy about your dodging isn't the fact that you ignored me at first - it's the fact that you made a bunch of posts after I poked you over it and wrote a bunch of stuff while still ignoring my actual point. that kind of behavior is more likely to come from scum who get called out, as opposed to town who, when pressured for an explanation, can give one. if you had kept poking Alchemist over it and he kept deflecting, I would agree that would be scummy.

either this is a misunderstanding or you're trying to redirect off yourself

in either case, the way you tried to discredit my argument earlier is scummy as hell and you still haven't answered either of my original questions

You're ignoring the same thing that I've brought up repeatedly and is also the simplest explanation...

I'm giving 0 fucks about your case. You're trying to make it something more. But here's your scum slips...

1)

I made a case on you that has nothing to do with aggression or playstyle.

respond to it instead of dodging it.

-Yuu

You presume I'm dodging and accuse me immediately instead of just asking again. It never even occured to you that I just didn't see it, or that I just didn't care. You immediately accused me.

2)

on the other hand,

scum are more likely to get defensive

or just outright ignore arguments against them, which is what you're doing here.

You allow yourself a double standard. If I respond you can immediately accuse me of being defensive even if I'm not being defensive. If I don't respond you immediately accuse me of dodging, which is exactly what you did right away.

3)

Lulz. It's like the Matsumi Sisters saw exactly where I was going with this and decided to shut the fuck up. I see you logged in on the bottom of the forum page.

You abandon ship immediately after I bring up Alchemist. You then come back "fresh" after consulting your hydra partner. For some reason you just can't wrap your mind around the fact that I don't give a damn. If your case is so fucking good why do you NEED me to respond to it? It looks like you're trying to run interference on behalf of Alchemist. BTW, this is the last response you get about your case and your subsequent tantrums. You're scum.

Fairly certain we've got a Matsumi+Alchemist scum team. Third member has no associate tells.

[reinoe]

Also it looks like you're justifying your Alch vote by calling other people scum with him, while not actually providing any good reasons for why Alch himself is scum.

Al's Post 151 is scummy as fuck.

[reinoe]

You know that it takes longer than 13 minutes for the site to log you off due to inactivity right?

I'm more than happy to withdraw the first two sentences of point 3.

[reinoe]

Also it looks like you're justifying your Alch vote by calling other people scum with him, while not actually providing any good reasons for why Alch himself is scum.

Al's Post 151 is scummy as fuck.

No it isn't. He's saying that despite one or two things that these people have posted, their body of work seems town. Scum do the opposite, where they use one or two points to attack a person without looking at the big picture.

He's also not sure of those reads: giving him maximum flexibility to get on any wagon at anytime for any reason! He merely posted it to look busy. It's really obvious.

[reinoe]

Also it looks like you're justifying your Alch vote by calling other people scum with him, while not actually providing any good reasons for why Alch himself is scum.

Al's Post 151 is scummy as fuck.

No it isn't. He's saying that despite one or two things that these people have posted, their body of work seems town. Scum do the opposite, where they use one or two points to attack a person without looking at the big picture.

He's also not sure of those reads: giving him maximum flexibility to get on any wagon at anytime for any reason! He merely posted it to look busy. It's really obvious.

Or maybe it's because it was barely page 7 and half the players had posted less than three times. Also he posted the reads because he was asked to, not to look busy.

Right, and he was farting around not doing anything except asking a bunch of fluff questions until someone asked him for reads.

Situation 1)During a murder investigation the cops don't ask "what's your favorite food, favorite color, where you went to elementary school, and does this uniform make me look fat".

Situation 2)They ask "where were you on the night of the murder".

Situation 2 with one question is more useful than situation 1 with four questions. Alchemist was wasting everyone's time with questions like in situation 1 and so he got asked to post some reads by Ankimius. The method of that reads list was complete shit.

[reinoe]

Also it looks like you're justifying your Alch vote by calling other people scum with him, while not actually providing any good reasons for why Alch himself is scum.

Al's Post 151 is scummy as fuck.

No it isn't. He's saying that despite one or two things that these people have posted, their body of work seems town. Scum do the opposite, where they use one or two points to attack a person without looking at the big picture.

He's also not sure of those reads: giving him maximum flexibility to get on any wagon at anytime for any reason! He merely posted it to look busy. It's really obvious.

Or maybe it's because it was barely page 7 and half the players had posted less than three times. Also he posted the reads because he was asked to, not to look busy.

Look at post 151 again. Why does Alchemist think random and flum are town?

[reinoe]

Anatole seems solely focused on KB right now. I would like to see his input on some of the other players.

So why didn't you just ask me what I thought of any particular player instead of this comment that doesn't directly request anything or give any of your actual thoughts on any part of the game?

He's scum and he's been doing that all DP. Making comments that look like he's doing something but he's really not doing anything. You should put your vote on him.

[reinoe]

Ankamius is probably town.

[reinoe]

Gaiden is quite a curious person.
He just finished season 5 of Supernatural.
And lost his 4th attempt to get out of Silver 5.
So now, where are we?

I'm townreading you, does that count?
On another note Yuu has been away all day on skype

- Kuro

I take it "Yuu" is less experienced at being scum then "kuro". She scummed up that slot like it was her mission. Taking a backseat on the bleachers while the veteran head tries to clean up the mess.

[reinoe]

i think he's town.

your vote on him is shitty. he cancels your points out, and vice versa.
but your vote is still there despite

"I think x is town" is not a valid response to "why do you think x is town?"

Also he didn't refute anything. But feel free to prove me otherwise by showing me a quote of his refutation!

There's nothing to refute.

reinoe: Alchemist is scummy. Ankamius might be scum with him or misguided town
majiffy: you should be voting ankamius then
reinoe:

[reinoe]

You said "one or both" are scum based on their interactions of two specific posts.

The latter post, by Ank, is more likely to be the scum post if one of the two is scum.

I've already argued this point and instead of refuting it you just went "lol no! "

So yes, there is shit to refute. And you've failed to do so. And now your little buddy Bald here is jumping in with weak support.

A misguided town could just as easily see Alchemist's shit posts, not realize it's shit and just say "lol ok town".

"lol no, " is exactly the response you deserve. Put your vote on Alchemist so we can move forward with lynching scum.

[reinoe]

You also haven't sufficiently argued "shit reads" = scum.

Which is all your argument bubbles down to.

Because I didn't say shit reads. I've repeatedly called them shit

posts.

Shit

--->posts<---

. As in the methodology of the reads developed was shit. And I most definitely have explained at length why the post was shit and why Alchemist is scum.

[reinoe]

It's been three days and I've not looked at this thread at all.

I'll see if I can commit to activity when notscience gets back.

You're in this game? Could you do something really townie or scummy so I can get a read.

[reinoe]

Reino: You seem to have an obsession with Alchemist being scum and you seen to be basing everything off one post. Are there any other posts that you find scummy about him? I find he is one of my stronger town reads. And what's your opinion on Randommidget?

1) Alchemist posts a bunch of pointless fluff questions that don't move the game forward. Making it look like he's doing something but isn't actually doing anything.

2) When asked for reads he makes a reads list that's actually a giant fos at several players . Even his "town reads" are actually fos. Another example of making it look like he's doing something without actually doing anything.

[reinoe]

Read through some of Reinoe's past games and his style is consistent in each game. What are your current reads, Reinoe?

I realize that I missed this...

Majiffy-Town. I've seen the type of analysis and it comes from town. It's almost always misguided though

clusk-??? I have nothing.

Fluminator-I have no read

Alchemist21-Scum. Wasting everyone's time with stupid questions that don't amount to anything. Then when he gets called on it he stops to prevent attention from being on him. That inconsistency in style is someone trying to adjust to stay out of crosshairs.

randomidget-null. I was able to get a scum read on him in our previous game but that took until day 2-3.

SXTLHGaiden-null. I don't think I've even read any of this person's posts. I'll have to do some interactions to clarify this.

Matsumi Sisters-Scum. Attempts to run interference on behalf of Alchemist. Immediately accuses me of "dodging" her case when in reality I just didn't see it. After seeing the case refuses to realize I just don't care.

Ankamius-Misguided town. Initially had an either scum or town with nothing in the middle, but posting has trended town.

Anatole Kuragin-leans town. Something in my gut is making me uncomfortable but I think he's town.

Doublade-leans scum due to insane amounts of inactivity. I hate it when hydras are inactive. I remember policy lynching an inactive hydra who turned out to be scum and that felt so good.

Krystal Bald- Reaction test was terrible. Attempt to explain the reaction test was terrible. Can't just admit it was a poorly executed reaction test and instead seems to make convoluted excuses for it. Leans scum.

aphix-Leans town-I liked the push on Krystal to explain the reaction test but the manner felt a little convoluted, but that is probably coming from Krystal and not aphix.

Also, I'm going to check out the scumhunting guides on your wiki. Which do you think would be the best to start out with?

Interactive Tells

[reinoe]

SXTLHGaiden-null. I don't think I've even read any of this person's posts. I'll have to do some interactions to clarify this.

I did a look through Gaiden's ISO and that's a whole lot of garbage.

Leans scum on gaiden.

[reinoe]

Make a case on Alc that doesn't require referencing his reads. I dare you.

Al's initial posting was pointless questions that didn't move the game forward.

[reinoe]

Reinoe's most recent reads list is empty of genuine thought and a lot of "Well I need x to be B so reasonreasonreason".

Provide a reads list with "genuine thought".

[reinoe]

I might have to re-adjust my read on majiffy. His most recent posts are kinda gross, and then he pretends he doesn't know who aphix is even though the aphix v Krystal dust up has been very prominent.

[reinoe]

research reveals that doublade is caledfwitch and marquis. Does anyone have any familiarity with caldefwitch?

[reinoe]

I do have town reads.

I'm actually reading majiffy and flum as town.
.

Why is Majiffy town?

[reinoe]

Somebody take everything Majiffy said about reinoe's reads list and apply it to his own reads list for me.
tia

Ya I know, it's really gross, especially the "who is Aphix" comment. That's like wtf.

His Ank, and Alchemist reads are complete shit. How are you going to make a read on someone based on someone else's read on them while completely ignoring the actual content of their own posts?

VOTE: Majiffy

[reinoe]

Somebody take everything Majiffy said about reinoe's reads list and apply it to his own reads list for me.
tia

Ya I know, it's really gross, especially the "who is Aphix" comment. That's like wtf.

His

Ank,

Matsumi

and Alchemist reads are complete shit. How are you going to make a read on someone based on someone else's read on them while completely ignoring the actual content of their own posts?

VOTE: Majiffy

[reinoe]

i realize that i have the option of hammering a midget if that fake vc is right...
tempting...so very tempting

randommidget is more likely to be town than several other individuals. Comparing random's wagon to the people's reasons for voting random, it's clear that random is a shit lynch.

There's no fucking counterwagon in sight. This is going to be a town mislynch if you hammer.

[reinoe]

Random and Flum both have 1 scummy trait I can point out, but I think they're more likely to be town.

He's also not sure of those reads: giving him maximum flexibility to get on any wagon at anytime for any reason!

He merely posted it to look busy. It's really obvious.

You never explained your vote on Doublade and your vote on Aphix is pretty OMGUS.

That aphix vote you just pulled is scummy as hell, and you don't have to read much to figure out he had the same basic reason as everyone else on your wagon - you're not making much effort to scumhunt. You read people as town for doing that, but you're not doing much of it yourself, and you admitted to it. For that, I'm placing my vote on you.

Unvote
Vote randomidget

Wow, alchemist calls an OMGUS vote scummy as hell when everyone knows OMGUS is null. And wouldn't you know it, just like I predicted alchemist is voting for a town read with no build up to how randommidget is scum. Rarely have I been so right about someone vote hopping on a town read.

[reinoe]

Alchemist - Probably town based on Reinoe's method of attack.

Scums;
reinoe - Cogdis, inconsistent play, mudslinging, stringing mislynches, etc. pretty much obvscum play.
Krystal Bald (Mantisdreamz/Nikanor) - Dat chainsaw.

Yo slick here's a scenario:

gun to your head, life or death decision: pretend this game has three scum (and it does), who's the third scum.

[reinoe]

If you're town, start trying please.

Would you be able to review gaiden's ISO and comment on their effort in this game?

[reinoe]

If you're town, start trying please.

Would you be able to review gaiden's ISO and comment on their effort in this game?

I don't see the relevance of this.

You're saying random isn't trying of should put in more effort. If you have concerns about random's effort this game I would also like you to comment on gaiden's effort this game.

[reinoe]

There's kind of a difference between nearly being strung up and just giving up on doing anything, and not doing anything the entire game. random's version is specifically scummy, Gaiden's is anti-town at worst.

If random was giving up as scum wouldn't he have self voted to deny town info and implicate people off the wagon?

[reinoe]

There's kind of a difference between nearly being strung up and just giving up on doing anything, and not doing anything the entire game. random's version is specifically scummy, Gaiden's is anti-town at worst.

If random was giving up as scum wouldn't he have self voted to deny town info and implicate people off the wagon?

How often does scum actually do that?

I've seen it happen several times but not in any games I've been directly involved with.

[reinoe]

UPDATE: my posts have been fluff all game and I don't like the only person calling me out on it.

Ftfy

[reinoe]

There's kind of a difference between nearly being strung up and just giving up on doing anything, and not doing anything the entire game. random's version is specifically scummy, Gaiden's is anti-town at worst.

If random was giving up as scum wouldn't he have self voted to deny town info and implicate people off the wagon?

How often does scum actually do that?

I've seen it happen several times but not in any games I've been directly involved with.

So you suggested if he was scum he would do something you've literally never experienced scum doing in one of your games.

Yes. I watch and review games beyond the ones I participate in.

[reinoe]

And that determines your views on actions that you wholeheartedly

expect

scum to make?

Nothing is 100%. But yes, based on observations I would expect scum who are giving up to self vote. It's tactically the smartest scum play if they're giving giving up.

[reinoe]

The one time I have EVER seen scum lynch himself it was a very experienced player. It's weird you would expect a newer player who has like 4 completed games and doesn't seem to be active in discussions to make that call without being coached.

It's a call I would make and I have LESS experience than random midget. But that's if I were giving up.

[reinoe]

The one time I have EVER seen scum lynch himself it was a very experienced player. It's weird you would expect a newer player who has like 4 completed games and doesn't seem to be active in discussions to make that call without being coached.

It's a call I would make and I have LESS experience than random midget. But that's if I were giving up.

Ebwop: sorry I see you are referring to completed games and.not time on the site.

[reinoe]

Gaiden's is anti-town at worst.

Ugh. I'm gonna have to agree with this after seeing post 500 and 503. Scum are never as sloppy and terrible as Gaiden.

[reinoe]

BTW I don't see why rm-scum would unvote Majiffy, can someone on the wagon please explain that one away for me.

If they're both scum he would, but I don't think random is scum.

[reinoe]

It's not an overly complicated or obtuse question. Nor is it an attempt at a gotcha. Please answer the question.

[reinoe]

I think he just did RandomMidget. Anyone else see it?

Majiffy's reads list is very weird for reasons already pointed. You don't know who Aphix is and you haven't look into Randommidget? What way are you reading through this game?

@Reino: In response to your case against Alchemist, I feel I need to say this again.

Right, and he was farting around not doing anything except asking a bunch of fluff questions until someone asked him for reads.

Situation 1)During a murder investigation the cops don't ask "what's your favorite food, favorite color, where you went to elementary school, and does this uniform make me look fat".

Situation 2)They ask "where were you on the night of the murder".

Situation 2 with one question is more useful than situation 1 with four questions. Alchemist was wasting everyone's time with questions like in situation 1 and so he got asked to post some reads by Ankimius. The method of that reads list was complete shit.

Alchemist caught my eye because of this near the start. His questions were all meta-based that wouldn't really work here. However, keep in mind he comes from a different site that is more meta-based. What questions are useful on that site are different here. I don't see anything scummy about him anymore when you view him from that angle.

Does this change anything or do you think it's more or less irrelevant?

I'm on my phone and I'll answer this when I get home from work.

[reinoe]

Phone posting...

This is a town mislynch. From the wagon formation to the wtfuckery of the lynch. The good news is that the Matsumoto sisters are trying to hide behind "oops hammer" when it was starting to look like the wagon on random might get derailed. I've been calling them scum an now people can see it.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Matsumi


I'm just gonna troll for the rest of this DP because Alchemist, Matsumi, Majiffy are the obvious scum team.

[reinoe]

btw, I'm really pissed that our Vig didn't shoot either Matsumi or Gaiden yesterday. You suck vig. Stop being lazy.

[reinoe]

Two months ago I drank too much milk and threw up.

[reinoe]

[reinoe]

[reinoe]

I think this one is not quite as good as the ball pets one. Like I could see this one appealing to the "really stoned college kids" crowd. My housemate thinks it's cool...

[reinoe]

But this one. It's so bad. I wad just dying with laughter at this one. "Birds are so hard to take care of". What kind of barely functioning human thinks that? Completely ridiculous.



Awful in a "So Bad It's Good" kinda way. 4.5/10.

[reinoe]

The magic bullet infomercial is almost a work of art. It's certainly very well made. I like how it starts of with Berman who just got up from a drunken stupor/one night stand/league of legends marathon or some combination of the three complaining about "not so loud". And it's all golden from there. It made me actually want a MagicBullet. Except for those muffins. Nobody gives a damn about muffins.


Second part isn't as artful. I cringed everytime they mispronounced "jalapeño". Doris and her unlit cigarette. I'd be like "Get the shit out my house. There's no smoking in my house."

I'd love to be the kind of host that invites his neighbors over to showcase his new gadget and make breakfast for people but I'm such a lazy fuck. The closest I'd come to doing that is inviting people over and pretend the pizza I bought from a "Take & Bake" I made from scratch. The whole "invite people over" is kinda forced, but I like the cast of characters. Especially Berman the drunk. He's awesome.

8.5/10. You know it's an infomercial but I totally believe in the product and it's got a nice charm.

[reinoe]

Hi. Catch me up.

Alchemist, Majiffy, and Matsumi are scum. Put your vote on Matsumi for great justice.

[reinoe]

Sigh. So Reinoe claimed vig. When there is no Doctor.

I Am 100% certain there iS no doctor. I'm 99% certain that we have a vig and that vig is useless.

[reinoe]

It's remarkable how people Are coming out of the woodwork To defend scum but Lurkers stopped lurking to make sure an obvious townie got hammered yesterday.

This is Some really obvious shit.

[reinoe]

MATSUMI IS AT L-1!!!! DON'T VOTE HER ANYMORE RIGHT NOW!
Matsumi, if you are town, you need to unvote yourself right now. We don't want the day to end yet. To rush your own Lynch is very anti town.
Reino: Can you finish post 516 now?
Alchemist: Why have you been lurking lately?

Why do you care if scum doesn't get lynched? You were more than happy to lynch town yesterday.

[reinoe]

Oh wow I was at L-1? i didnt realize.
My previous post, I had planned on claiming but i left it as a breadcrumb instead.
And since people insist

Unvote
Vote: Flames

This is why matsu Needed to be at l-1. Look at that lack of claim. Shows how insincere the "oh I'll self vote "comment was.

I'm gonna be pissed if we waste another fucking 10 days Farting around not lynching this shit.

[reinoe]

Oh wow I was at L-1? i didnt realize.
My previous post, I had planned on claiming but i left it as a breadcrumb instead.
And since people insist

Unvote
Vote: Flames

This is why matsu Needed to be at l-1. Look at that lack of claim. Shows how insincere the "oh I'll self vote "comment was.

I'm gonna be pissed if we waste another fucking 10 days Farting around not lynching this shit.

2 ppl have been telling me to stop voting myself, And now you come and do exactly as I said scum would do if I didn't keep the end of my bargain.
FUCK THIS *Flips Table*

Who are you going to listen to, them or me?

[reinoe]

I think he just did RandomMidget. Anyone else see it?

Majiffy's reads list is very weird for reasons already pointed. You don't know who Aphix is and you haven't look into Randommidget? What way are you reading through this game?

@Reino: In response to your case against Alchemist, I feel I need to say this again.

Right, and he was farting around not doing anything except asking a bunch of fluff questions until someone asked him for reads.

Situation 1)During a murder investigation the cops don't ask "what's your favorite food, favorite color, where you went to elementary school, and does this uniform make me look fat".

Situation 2)They ask "where were you on the night of the murder".

Situation 2 with one question is more useful than situation 1 with four questions. Alchemist was wasting everyone's time with questions like in situation 1 and so he got asked to post some reads by Ankimius. The method of that reads list was complete shit.

Alchemist caught my eye because of this near the start. His questions were all meta-based that wouldn't really work here. However, keep in mind he comes from a different site that is more meta-based. What questions are useful on that site are different here. I don't see anything scummy about him anymore when you view him from that angle.

Does this change anything or do you think it's more or less irrelevant?

I'd be willing to take it into account. At the time it changed my read to a null. Post 463 happened which switched my read right back to scum.

[reinoe]

2-Shot Vig, I vig'd Ankamius
- Kuro

You expect us to believe you vigged Ankamius over Gaiden? Nope.

I invite anyone unsure if they should hammer to look through Matsumi's ISO. Is there anything in there showing that Matsu was so sure of Ankamius being scum that they'd be willing to shoot? Nope.

[reinoe]

EBWOP: LULZ NINJA'D.

[reinoe]

Matsumi's judgement as a vig is so bad that she targets the same people as the mafia. Mafia and townies should not be interested in killing the same people. This is just turning bonkers.

[reinoe]

This shouldn't be an argument. There is no reason to lynch Matsumi today.

Hey, wasn't Matsumi's other vig choice to shoot me, who is also town? Yeah. 100% of Matsumi's suspicions have been on town.

Ankamius. Town.
Randommidget. Town

(wants to shoot reinoe who is town).

Someone hammer plz.

[reinoe]

There sure is a lot of resistance to lynching Matsumi.

Nobody gave a shit about giving randommidget a chance to claim.

It's a remarkable dichotomy the way people are treating these two wagons.

[reinoe]

HAMMER

[reinoe]

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[reinoe]

Trying to rush a Lynch on an easily testable power role. Hmmm...

Yep. Failed the test night one.

[reinoe]

If you're so sure there is another real vig, why not let the vig take her out tonight? From your point of view that should be common sense.

Why don't we lynch scum so that the real vig can shoot one of their scum-spects? There's an outside chance that there is no vig at all. But we can't rely on "directing" the vig shots because the scum can influence the vig to shoot townies anyway.

[reinoe]

If you're so sure there is another real vig, why not let the vig take her out tonight? From your point of view that should be common sense.

Why don't we lynch scum so that the real vig can shoot one of their scum-spects? There's an outside chance that there is no vig at all. But we can't rely on "directing" the vig shots because the scum can influence the vig to shoot townies anyway.

Well first of all, It is better for vig to take out confirmed scum. Especially in this situation.
Vig targets can't claim.
Town taking out confscum instead of vig brings much less information. (She isn't even conf scum yet. I'm getting less sure as I watch this wagon stay on her after she claims.)
And there is absolutely no way the vig won't shoot Matsumi tonight. If there is one.

It is remarkable about how little you cared about doing wagon analysis when that shitty wagon on randommidget formed.

Who's the scum on randommidget's wagon and why? Or are you going to try and blow our minds and claim that random's wagon was all town?

[reinoe]

I haven't had time to post my wagon analysis on midget because I have been busy trying to stop the day from ending almost instantly.

And if you hadn't been trying to whiteknight scum so hard you'd have had that analysis by now. Decisions decisions. Remarkably I found a way to do wagon analysis before randommidget got lynched. Despite you having an entire nightphase, a nightphase that lasted nearly five days, to create this analysis and all of this DP, you seem to have a convenient excuse. It's remarkable what you do and don't have time for.

[reinoe]

Throwing this out there now in case I get nightkilled: Krystal's defense and reasons for not lynching Matusmi seem null/town. Fluminator's defense and reasons for not lynching Matsumi is scummy as fuck.

[reinoe]

You need to get this into your head. If she is scum, she is guaranteed getting lynched tomorrow. There is absolutely no avoiding it. Just because I don't want her lynched today doesn't mean I don't think she's scum. It's not like we are wasting time because we can go after another suspect.

I was on V/LA for most of the night phase. And I wouldn't have studied midget's wagon too hard even if I wasn't because it would be a waste to do it and get killed. I thought I would have plenty of time to do it today. And almost all my posts today were made during university classes so I didn't have time to do anything deep except point out the obvious, such as, "DON'T LYNCH 12 HOURS INTO THE DAY PHASE!!!!"

Really I found studying the wagon before randomwagon got lynched to be very illuminating. It revealed that the wagon was on a townie.

Most townies want to make sure a wagon looks good before a lynch. Wagoning Matsumi looks very good right now. It looks so good I wouldn't be surprised if she's being bussed. I will give 0 fucks if Matsumi is lynched and flips town.

[reinoe]

At least you saying I'm scummy is admitting you may be wrong about your original 3 scum reads you were so convinced about. So convinced that you were willing to stop all conversation for.

This just in: reads can change and develop over time based on behaviors, PoE, re-reading the game, and reaction testing.

I'm glad you posted the above nonsense instead of doing that analysis you claim you don't have time to complete. It helps reaffirm that scum read I'm developing on you.

[reinoe]

Throwing this out there now in case I get nightkilled: Krystal's defense and reasons for not lynching Matusmi seem null/town. Fluminator's defense and reasons for not lynching Matsumi is scummy as fuck.

Seriously? We're stating the same reasons.

And yet saying it in different ways and under different circumstances, and for different reasons.

True story: I saw a guy call someone scum even though they he was agreeing with everything the other person said.

[reinoe]

Like shoot the cop which the mafia also had shot.

It's also possible that there is a jk who stopped the mafia's kill.

negative

Flames of Disaster knows how to play mafia. Because there's practically no way in hell scum would give townies...

1)A way to prevent night kills
2)remove a viable fake-claim opportunity for themselves

It could be that the scum team sucks but I'd rather not assume that our opponents are incompetent buffoons.

[reinoe]

My best candidate for scum right now is Aphix.

See I think KB is probably town. I say next person to votes me isn't though.

VOTE: aphix

I'm putting my vote here to send you a message. Don't think you can try and intimidate people into not suspecting you.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Matsumi Sisters

[reinoe]

Spoiler: Why aphix is scum

Shadow the Hedgehog is an action computer game for the Sony PlayStation 2, Microsoft Xbox and Nintendo Gamecube. Despite its apparent targeting at a younger audience, the game undeniably touches on issues of race, often in an unfair way. Shadow is a black character, as are the main villains of the game. While Shadow is essentially the 'hero' of the game, it is not straightforward. Players are given a choice as to whether to be good or evil.

Unlike his counterpart 'Sonic', Shadow, the main character of the game, is not an archetypal hero. He is portrayed as an 'edgier' character, having suffered amnesia and therefore having difficulties with his own sense of self. Most importantly of all, whereas Sonic is blue, Shadow's fur is that of a distinct black. Whereas Sonic would appear on the covers of his games with a big grin on his face, Shadow appears on the cover art with a definite sneer, most notably holding what appears to be a large gun. In the game itself, when Shadow first acquires his firearm, Sonic utters,
"I wouldn't be caught dead with one of those."

Why is this? Because Sonic is not black? Sonic Team, the creator of the game, are definitely making a point here. Firstly, Sonic is implying that it is not in his character to use guns, does this mean it is in a black persons nature to use guns? In all the many, many Sonic games, Sonic has never once used a gun, but in giving the first black character in the Sonic universe their own spin-off game, they immediately pick up a gun and don't even question the morality of its usage.

Secondly, unlike a normal Sonic game, the player of 'Shadow' is given the choice as to whether or not to play through the game as 'good' or 'evil'. Why is this? Never once while playing as Sonic have we had the chance to be evil. However, once we switch to Shadow, his black counterpart, many of the games' objectives are in fact, to do evil deeds. Is it a mere coincidence that the 'black guy' has the ability to become evil, while the 'white guy' (or in this case blue) does not?

The bad guys are rather unsubtly named 'The Black Aliens'. Within the story they have come down to Earth and are causing havoc on the world they're invading. If this is not a swipe at immigration laws then I don't know what is. At once the soldiers of Earth (all of them are white) go to war with these black aliens. If a player decides to side with these soldiers these 'black aliens' can be killed. However, to side with the aliens, you are not able to kill the soldiers, merely knock them to the ground; either that or simply destroy lifeless robots. The evidence is clear here, you are allowed to kill 'the blacks', but you aren't allowed to kill 'the whites'. Is the life of a white man really that much more significant than the life of a black man? Were the actions of the 'Black Aliens' to be performed by human they would ultimately considered as 'terrorist', therefore by this rationale every terrorist must be black.

While all the characters in the Sonic the Hedgehog universe have their own distinct personalities (Sonic being the 'cool' one, Knuckles being the 'brash' one, etc), Shadow on the other hand does not. He is confused and alone; he is essentially a black man in a white man's world. When the 'Black Aliens' come to his Earth, he naturally fears them.

"Get out of my sight, disgusting black creatures," is just one of the many racist remarks he himself utters, despite the fact that he is black himself. Only when the story progresses and Shadow realises that he may be of the same origin as the black aliens, does he call their wickedness into question. Is this a knock by Sega at the 'average' black man not staying true to his roots in today's white oriented culture? It seems likely.

At one point in the game you are forced to decide between siding with the 'Black Aliens' or the evil 'Dr. Robotnik'. For those not familiar with the Sonic the Hedgehog universe, Dr. Robotnik is essentially a fascist dictator with aspirations of world domination. Now, while the black aliens are doing 'evil' deeds, Dr. Robotnik has also performed, and continues to perform deeds just as evil. Let us imagine, for argument's sake, that the Black Aliens and Dr. Robotnik are as 'evil' as each other; why so then, is Dr. Robotnik's cause portrayed as the 'hero' option while the side of the 'Black Aliens' portrayed as the 'evil' option? Is it because Dr. Robotnik is white?

Shadow the Hedgehog? Ban this racist filth.

[reinoe]

Spoiler: Why Matsumi Sisters need to be lynched today

In an interview with Mario Kart 8 director Kosuke Yabuki, Yabuki went into great detail about how they struggled to make a brand new character to make their debut in Mario Kart 8. But once the creative ideas started flowing, something magical was born.

“In the initial stages of planning, I hired some of the best character designers in the industry to create more characters for Mario Kart 8 because we ran out of great Mario characters to use,” explained Yabuki, “We could have used Diddy Kong or Dry Bones again, but those characters are simply filler compared to titans like Baby Mario and Baby Daisy. We needed something fresh and on the first day, the design team came up with some wonderful ideas.”

The character designer who came up with Pink Gold Peach, Miyake Takuji, said that his ideas for brand new Mario characters would awe the masses. In his opinion however, he says that Nintendo chose one of his weakest designs.

“The design team did not know each other the first day so we held an icebreaker,” recalled Takuji, “We held a contest for the most unoriginal character for fun and it just so happened that Yabuki-san stopped by to see how we were doing. He walked into a room full of characters like Baby Metal Mario and Waluigi 2. Before we could explain what was happening, he looked at my Gold Peach and said that this character was perfect.”

“Afterwards, I was kept on the team for three years to help refine the character,” continued Takuji, “I was still getting paid so it did not matter to me. In the meantime, I created some more characters like Gold Mario for the new Mario Golf game. That is also why we had to change Gold Peach to Pink Gold Peach because players might have thought Nintendo was running out of ideas after seeing Gold Mario and then Gold Peach. I also tried to present a redesign of Wart from Super Mario USA to the team, but they thought he was not unique enough considering Yoshi was already in the game.”

And it seems that Nintendo’s decision to hire these character designers has paid off. Popular Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu has already named Pink Gold Peach as one of the top video game characters of 2014 that are completely made out of gold.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Metal Sonic
The fact Matsumi isn't self hammering right now is interesting. Makes me think she may end up not being scum after all. We shall find out soon.

No it isn't. Matsumi has taken the fake claim route. It's an attempt to draw out a cc and get a kill of a PR or an attempt to get a mass claim.

"READ IT UNDER THE ISO UNDER THE ASSUMPTION HE'S SCUM" i.e. read it with bias and then everything makes sense!!!!!

ok Fluminator is scum. Why aren't we hammering for god's sake. Look at how hard Flum is defending this shit. It's going to be exactly like I predicted. We're going to fart around for another 10 days and not lynch scum. Remarkable. This is what I wake up to in the morning.

Also, notice how Flum thinks trolling is "scummy" but had shit to say about gaiden doing jack shit all day yesterday. Please for all things holy, some one hammer this shit.


Also I'm pretty sure the scum is at L-2 so the fake claim strategy is working out really well for scum.

[reinoe]

No it isn't. Matsumi has taken the fake claim route. It's an attempt to draw out a cc and get a kill of a PR or an attempt to get a mass claim.

Or scum has taken the kill a PR during the day so they dont have to waste a shot on them tonight route.
- Kuro

Your play doesn't correspond to your role. Your shot doesn't correspond to your read. Fake claiming is an art you have not yet mastered.

[reinoe]

Spoiler: randommidget wagon analysis

In a depressing announcement, though not all that surprising, the U.S. Department of State has revealed that the person responsible for reviewing the environmental impact of the keystone pipeline has been smoking pot incessantly for the past five years.

”Information has recently come to our attention that explains why the pipeline hasn’t been approved. The employee reviewing the project has had a lack of motivation from smoking pot. This employee has been reassigned and we will be approving the pipeline immediately. We are truly sorry for delay.”

With multiple reports showing that the keystone pipeline will cause no environmental damage, people have been flabbergasted as to why it hasn’t been green-lighted. We now know why.

Despite most people expressing outrage at the news, President Obama said today that it doesn’t bother him. “Listen, I sympathize with the federal employee. These people work hard and sometimes they need some relief from the stress. He might’ve over done it, but that’s OK. I will continue the practice of allowing federal employees to be extremely incompetent without fear of consequences.”

The President went on to say that the reason it took him so long to call the Benghazi attack a terrorist event was that he too occasionally smokes pot. “We all do it. Why do you think it takes so long to get things done around here?”

The President is right in his analysis according to Washington insiders who fear things are starting to get out of hand. “There has been a disturbing increase in drug abuse in Congress and federal agencies. People don’t take the time to read pieces of legislation because they’re too high.”

In our recent trip to D.C., we witnessed multiple instances of bizarre behavior that could only be attributed to substance abuse. A blank-faced Nancy Pelosi was sitting in a corner, staring wide-eyed and repeating the words “we have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.” Several Congressmen approached Senator Schumer, or “Shroomer” as they were calling him, and engaged in what appeared to be a drug deal.

Although it may seem hypocritical for our lawmakers to be engaging in drug abuse while at the same time supporting laws prohibiting such action, they view it as protecting the nation. As one congressman put it, “Washington has basically become a giant hell hole where untalented people come to get high and produce half-assed legislation. Can you imagine if the entire nation were allowed to do what we do?”

[reinoe]

1) matsumi is confirmed scum today.
2) you never hinted at Gaiden being scummy for trolling.
3) people claim publicly all the time when they're about to be lynched.
4) reading a post with the exact type of bias makes total sense. It's remarkable that you can find the time to ISO a person with from the perspective of multiple biases but can't find the time to analyze that randommidget wagon. Is it because you are on it?
5) I will not be appeased by your bullshit.

Off to work. I may or may not have phone posts later today.

[reinoe]

And he's still dodging the question, there's guaranteed scum here:

Unvote
Vote: reinoe

- Kuro.

I don't co-operate with confscum. Your "question" is a time wasting exercise designed to create WIFOM via thought masturbation. We will experience the heat death of the universe before I answer your question. As exemplified by your shooting of Ankamius, you're just going to shoot townies anyway. Your thought process is 100% in alignment with scum.

[reinoe]

Spoiler: Reads list

Movie Review (This part was written after a few drinks)


The film “Ghostbusters” starts out with two students, a boy and a nameless interchangeable Hollywood blonde, being tested by Dr. Peter Vankman. Vankman is portrayed by the overrated actor Bill Murray. Peter is holding up Zener Cards facing away from the students and having them try to guess what the shapes are. Every time the student guesses wrong they are given a mild electrical shock. Peter Vankman refers to this as negative reinforcement, which is false. It’s actually called “punishment”. From our textbook: “a negative reinforcer is any stimulus that, when REMOVED after a response, strengthens the response”. Don’t be disappointed though, because there are plenty of other things that psychologists can point out that’s wrong about the movie. If I turned it into a drinking game like one of my housemates who’s getting her Master’s degree in Neurobiology suggested, I’d be dead.

Let’s get back to the movie. Scott and the nameless interchangeable Hollywood blonde each try to guess three times what the shapes are. Now interestingly Scott guesses correctly two out of three times, and the girl gets all three of her guesses wrong but no matter what Scott guesses, Peter claims he’s wrong. Scott storms out of the “lab” angrily, and btw the “lab” looks more like a spacious closet filled with junk. But the junk is actually research equipment that the parapsychology department uses. Anyway with Scott out of the way Peter begins flirting with the nameless interchangeable Hollywood blonde and asks her to meet him at his home at around 8pm.

Before I get too far into the movie review I’d like to explain what Zener Cards are. Here’s what I cut/pasted from Wikipedia. Zener cards are cards used to conduct experiments for extra-sensory perception (ESP), most often clairvoyance. Perceptual psychologist Karl Zener (1903-1964) designed the cards in the early 1930s for experiments conducted with his colleague, parapsychologist J. B. Rhine (1895–1980). Ok that’s the end of my cut/paste. Before Peter can finish setting up the study session/inappropriate date with his student he’s interrupted by Dr. Raymond Stantz who’s played by actor co-writer of the movie, Dan Aykroyd.


Ray insists that they need to get the team together because the “P.K.E.” meter readings are off the charts and they’ve confirmed ghost sightings at one of New York’s famous libraries. “P.K.E.” is never explained in the movie but according to my extensive research on the Ghostbusters Wikipedia page, “P.K.E.” stands for Psychokinetic Energy. Also according to Ghostbusters Wikipedia, the device is called an “aurascope” which is a much cooler name for the device. Since all this stuff is made up anyway they should have stuck with the less accurate but cooler “aurascope”. Lord knows they threw scientific accuracy out the window in the first five minutes so it’s not like that was a concern for the writers.

When Ray and Peter arrive at the library they interview several of the witnesses. This is to confirm that none of them are suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, have incredibly strong religious beliefs, have experienced any hallucinations in the past, or are on mind altering drugs. It’s actually a good display of psychological investigation but don’t get used to it. When Ray and Peter head down to the lower and less used areas of the library we’re introduced to Dr. Egon Spangler, the other co-writer and fellow actor Harold Ramis. Dr. Spangler is looking through his “P.K.E.” meter and explaining some technobabble about what's going on. Actually I’m going to refer to it as an aurascope from now on.

While investigating the underbelly of the library they come across what can only be described as “slime” covering some of the cabinets and bookshelves. This slime is not explained but instead of chalking it up to bad writing I’m going to give the movie the benefit of the doubt and assume that the explanation was left on the cutting room floor. Anyway they eventually encounter the ghost, who appears to be a dead librarian. After Ray tries to converse with the ghost she releases a banshee wail and they all flee. The fact that they had no plan of action is lamp shaded by Peter.


The next day the team arrives at Columbia University to find that their “equipment” is being packed and loaded into trucks. The “dean” explains that their grant has been revoked. He cites poor results, lack of scientific methods being used, and how the parapsychology department is beginning to damage the reputation of the university. Complaints about him hitting on female students may have been a contributing factor as well. The idea that a third party would be packing up scientific equipment into trucks defies common sense with all the potential liability issue at play. The parapsychology grant being ended without any forewarning also defies common sense. It’s at this point that I realized this movie was much better when I was a kid with less ability to reason. Maybe I should have turned this experience into a drinking game after all?


The “team” then decides to become private investigators of paranormal activity. In order to finance this venture Ray gets a second mortgage on a house his parents left him. I’m going to assume that a montage of them getting their small business idea rejected from various banks was left out of the movie. They move into an abandoned fire station as their place of business. Now I’d like to point out that even though the fire station is in disrepair, the place is huge. A place that large in New York had to be a steal no matter how messed up it is. All they have to do is hire a team of illegal immigrant maids to clean up the place and it would be absolutely fantastic. Oh and I’d like to finish this paragraph by saying that Ray slides down a pole and boyishly shouts “we’ll take it”.


After that scene ends we’re introduced to Sigourney Weaver’s character, Dana Barrett. Dana is walking home carrying a bag of groceries. While going through the hallway she encounters her nebbish nosey neighbor (alliteration!) Louis Tully, played by actor Richard Moranis. Louis awkwardly flirts with Dana. After she rebuffs him he finds himself embarrassingly locked out of his apartment when his door closes as Dana enters her own residence. (When Dana enters her apartment I’m dumbstruck. Now let me interject once again. Dana is a cellist for “a major symphony orchestra”. Let’s assume it’s the New York Philharmonic and Tully does her taxes and he’s very good. That doesn’t explain how she can afford an apartment that appears to be the size of a medium sized house in New York, in a fabulously posh building). When Dana lays down her groceries in her kitchen apartment the eggs begin to boil and pop out of their shells. She opens the fridge and there are no groceries. Instead there’s a pyramid-shaped temple is floating in what appears to be another dimension. A terror dog pops up and shouts the name “Zuul!” at her. She flees the apartment, terrified out of her wits.


Now we flash forward to the newly cleaned and organized headquarters for The Ghostbusters. I’m sure they did what I recommended and hired the illegal immigrant maids. We also meet Janine Melnitz who’s played by actress Annie Potts. She’s the secretary/administrative assistant for the crew and she laments that there have been no calls. Peter laments the situation and brings up a valid point when he asks her to type something, anything, since that’s what they’re paying her for. After Janine has a brief conversation that confirms Egon’s “geekiness”, Ray drives into the hall with a hearse. It’s dirty and grimy and appears to be on its last legs. And it only costs $4k! That’s in 1984 dollars. That Ray is one hell of a negotiator. We move to the next scene where we encounter the fabulously wealthy cellist Dana spending the night at what appears to be the Waldorf Astoria. While watching t.v. and not practicing on her cello, Dana just happens to see The Ghostbuster’s commercial advertising their services.


We move forward to Peter walking down the hallway of the super posh apartment building that Dana was living at before ghosts decided to show up. While walking down the hall way Dana advises Peter to “be vewwy, vewwy quiet” just like Elmer Fudd. Ok that didn’t happen but it definitely would have made this movie slightly better. Just imagine Sigourney Weaver saying that. In case you hadn’t realized this I’m writing this movie review after kicking back a few. Because Peter is an idiot and doesn’t realize that noise might activate ghostly activities, he keeps blabbing. This allows the nebbish nosey neighbor (I hope you like alliteration!) Louis to hear them as they walk by. He pops out of his apartment to talk to them. It’s actually really impressive because you can hear some really pumping music coming out of his apartment and he’s got a really lively get-together taking place in his apartment.

Nebbish nosey neighbor (ALLITERATION!)Louis awkwardly flirts with Dana and gets rebuffed again. He also locks himself out of his place again. This locking himself out of the apartment really gets on my nerves by the way. Moving on, Peter begins “investigating” Dana’s now abandoned and haunted apartment. Peter clearly has perception problems because he doesn’t ask how the heck a cellist can afford to stay at a hotel that appears to be the Waldorf Astoria while also being able to afford an apartment in New York that’s the size of a three bedroom home.

Anyway because the question is burning in my mind I looked it up. A regular gig at the philharmonic today is $91, 260 which, in New York, isn’t enough to justify her apartment. No way in hell. I believe Dana is waitressing on the side like 99% of New York actors and actresses. Sorry about the aside but it was bugging me so much I had to look it up. I’ll probably cut/paste this part into the personal commentary later if I remember.

Anyway Peter awkwardly flirts with Dana because awkwardly flirting with people is the only kind of flirting there is in this movie. We’ve all heard the old standby: write what you know. And what we know is that that Dana’s apartment shows no sign of being haunted other than having fried egg on the counter. Or at least that’s what we should have known because this movie is predictable. Peter’s aurascope never makes a blip during the entire investigation. Anyway Dana gets tired of being awkwardly flirted with and comments that Peter doesn’t behave like a regular scientist and demands he leave her apartment. Her comments that Peter is not a scientist is true in two different ways and I’m wondering if maybe it’s a subtle implication that Dana can display Extrasensory Perception (ESP).

It’s true in one way because Peter can’t really claim to be a scientist after he got thrown out of Columbia University for not respecting the scientific method. But it’s also true that Peter doesn’t act like what Dana expects from scientists because she expects scientists to be stiff and analytical. Dana is displaying top-down processing when she expects scientists to operate in a certain way. Peter is violating her proto-type and concept of what scientists look and act like. I just displayed recall by remembering those concepts. And I’m going to display some positive reinforcement by rewarding myself with a cookie.


Now I’m realizing that this movie review is going really long and I haven’t even gotten to the bizarre stuff. My review is going to be a lot less detailed from here on out. It is just as well because this is the part of the movie where the writers throw reality out the window and leave few psychological or scientific areas to discuss.

The Ghostbusters get a really rich client at a swanky hotel. Slimer gets captured and word spreads that the Ghostbusters are the real deal. We get a montage of increasing supernatural activity and subsequent increase in business. The old hearse gets its iconic paintjob and is renamed “Ecto-1”. Nebbish nosey neighbor Louis gets possessed by Vinz Clortho “The Keymaster” when he’s attacked in a park by a terror dog. Dana moves back into her apartment and gets possessed by Zuul “The Gatekeeper”. Both demons speak of the coming of Gozer, who will destroy the world. According to the montage, business is so good for the Ghostbusters that they can now afford a Token Black Guy (TBG) to be on their team; Winston Zeddemore played by Ernie Hudson. I would like to point out that the writers didn’t even bother to make Winston Zeddemore a fellow unemployed doctor and parapsychologist. He’s literally in the movie just to be the TBG. It really grinds my gears.


An a-hole lawyer named Walter Peck (William Atherton) works for the Environmental Protection Agency and eventually shuts down the containment unit that the Ghostbusters were using to hold the ghosts. They can’t be destroyed btw. With the Ghostbusters arrested and the containment unit shut down, paranormal activity goes through the roof. It eventually gets so bad that the mayor frees the team to help fix the problem. Unfortunately by then “The Gatekeeper” (Zuul) and “The Keymaster” (Vinz Clortho) meet and free the spirit of Gozer. Nonsense about cults, mad doctors, and humans being evil gets thrown in to the technobabble in order to justify the Ghostbusters going to the roof of Dana’s apartment. The roof has become a gateway to hell.

Gozer is up there and does battle with the Ghostbusters. Gozer beats them down in a face meltingly brutal fashion. Since the team is defeated they’re asked to choose the form of the world destroyer. We get the famous scene of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man destroying New York. It’s all well and good though because the team blasts their proton guns into the gate. Thanks to the power of more technobabble and crossing streams the gate is overloaded destroying Gozer’s connection to this world. Dana of the fabulous apartment and Nebbish Nosey Neighbor Louis are saved from Gozer and free to continue their awkward relationship. The Ghostbusters are hailed as heroes and huge sections of New York are in ruin! Its ok, its New York so I doubt anyone will notice all the rubble.


External References (This part was written sober)

Bizarre visions, psychics, and strange dreams; these are the basis for many parapsychological concepts. As explored in the film Ghostbusters these unexplainable phenomena have captured the interests and fears of people for years. While auditory and visual hallucinations are the most common contributors of known hallucination research there are others as well. Particularly dangers are “command hallucinations”, where an individual is being told to do something. Command hallucinations have a particular link to schizophrenia and I’d like to take some time to discuss it now.


Schizophrenia is generally characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and poor emotional responsiveness. Genetics, neurobiology, and environment are the most important contributing factors to a diagnosis of schizophrenia. However drug use has been known to cause or exacerbate symptoms. People suffering from the illness have been known to be affected by chronic behavioral and emotional problems like depression and anxiety disorders. These hallucinations and bizarre behaviors could have been attributed to demonic possession in ancient times. A more likely candidate to have caused these symptoms though, is ergot poisoning.


Ergot poisoning is caused by the consumption of the Claviceps purpurea fungus. The fungus grows on rye and other cereals. More correctly, the alkaloids produced by the fungus cause the illness. The alkaloids can pass from mother to infant through lactation. Symptoms include seizures, diarrhea, itching, headache, nausea, and vomiting. (Hans Stødkilde-Jørgensen, Niels Otto Jacobsen, Esbern Warncke, Jan 2008)Any area that experiences moist weather, cool temperatures, and delayed harvest can have an ergot poisoning. These types of environmental conditions describe most of northwestern Europe so it should come as no surprise that in the past these areas experienced extensive outbreaks of ergot poisoning. Ethiopia received an outbreak of ergot poisoning in mid-2001. (Urga, Debella, Medihn, Agata, Bayu, Zewdie, 2002) More recent research has been made suggesting that Ergot poisoning greatly contributed to the events that led to the Salem Witch Trials. (Caporael, 1976) In the article Linnda Caporael pointed out that many of the symptoms experienced mentioned in diaries at the time mentioned symptoms very similar to those caused by Ergot poisoning. Supporting evidence for Linnda’s thesis was presented by Mary Matossian. (Matossian, 1982)


Hearing strange sounds, sight unseen, along with bizarre and out of this world visions. No, I’m no longer talking about hallucinations caused by ‘shrooms, I’m talking about religion. I know this may be the most controversial point, but the difference between hearing the voice of God and the difference between a ghost haunting the pews is so few that I wanted to investigate it briefly. A group of people in church suddenly “freak out” and begin having seizure like symptoms. Are they touched by the hand of God? Is it a demon trolling the church members for giggles? More likely it’s mass hysteria taking affect. Mass hysteria is a collective psychological disorder and should not to be confused with the band “Mass Hysteria”. The illness is described as the spontaneous manifestation of the same or similar physical symptoms by more than one person without actual physical cause.

Conclusion (This part was also written sober)

Really, I don’t have much to add for the conclusion. The concepts of schizophrenia, religious beliefs, and some psychological terms were brought into the movie discussion and the connection to parapsychology was actually quite strong in the beginning. Of course being the silly movie that it is, they had to discard a lot of the good psychology and science to justify ghosts. I just wish they had brought in some psychologists to explain some of the bad writing. Ergot poisoning and Mass hysteria and ergot poisoning weren’t discussed in the movie but I can’t fault them for that. The movie was already nearly 2 hours.

But if you’re willing to ignore the stuff that doesn’t make sense and shut off the logical part of your brain, (pot and/or alcohol will help with this by the way) I can definitely understand why the Ghostbusters was such a big hit. The movie encompassed so many early 80's ideals. Famous 80’s actors, a token Black dude who adds nothing to the story, silly acting (I mean this in a good, 80’s way), a cheesy love story, ghosts, and of course how could anyone forget that theme song.

[reinoe]

Your piece couldn't decide if it was a review, a synopsis, or a report and it's not clear who its intended audience is. Entire sentences were plagiarized from Wikipedia. Considering you also posted this review on a furry forum two years ago and it's not even fresh - it was a complete waste of time for me to read. D+

meh, still passing.

[reinoe]

If anything Flumminator's like super town for still wanting to do stuff and scumhunt amidst the town apathy driven by reinoe and co.
- Kuro.

Now that is an interesting false accusation I'd like to see you support. How am I driving town apathy and who are the "co"?

[reinoe]

If anything Flumminator's like super town for still wanting to do stuff and scumhunt amidst the town apathy driven by reinoe and co.
- Kuro.

Now that is an interesting false accusation I'd like to see you support. How am I driving town apathy and who are the "co"?

By just trolling and posting irrelevant stuff instead of doing actual work related to the game, in hopes that ppl get tired of it and wait it out until deadline so you can speedlynch me as compromise lynch, or, hoping town will get tired of listening to your rambling and decide to just lynch me.
- Kuro

k. Thanks for digging your own grave just a little bit further. Again you had nothing critical to say about Gaiden yesterday, and in fact attributed Gaiden's behavior as town. You're flinging shit at the wall hoping for a distraction. Also I already announced that I would just troll today because you're obvious scum.

You're not a compromise lynch. You're a scum lynch. And by putting my trolling in spoilers it's easy to avoid and ignore.

The fact that this town comprises do-nothing lurksacks who aren't getting replaced is something you should take to the listmod, as we had a member go the entire DP without getting replaced. Have you contacted a listmod? I know I already did, why haven't you?

[reinoe]

Spoiler: Video Shows Matsumi Sisters Killing Ankamius: warning graphic

[reinoe]

@Mod: Replace me out of the hydra.

lulz. What makes you think the mod gives a damn about this game?

[reinoe]

@Mod: Replace me out of the hydra.

lulz. What makes you think the mod gives a damn about this game?

Pretty sure NS has been dealing with RL stuff lately and not just choosing to ignore the game.

Before I contacted the Listmod I noticed that he has had activity in other areas of the forum.

[reinoe]

You can see the posting history for yourself.

[reinoe]

The important thing is that Matsumi Sisters are trying to blame town apathy on two people when in reality this is has always been a low activity game because replacements aren't being made. Once the players and mod are replaced we can proceed with lynching Matsumi Sisters.

[reinoe]

Sorry, i've been skimming the thread mostly and decided to just wing it from there.
@Reinoe: That's interesting wanna make a bet about what randomiget will flip?

If he flips town then i'll self-vote all day tomorrow,

if he flips scum then you will sheep my every vote.

- Kuro

It's easy for scum to back out of their promises. If you're town this is blacklist worthy.

[reinoe]

Spoiler: Final Thoughts Before This Game Is Mod Abandoned

[reinoe]

Which list mod did you contact, and did they reply back?

I contacted Llamafluff but he never replied.

[reinoe]

Welcome Titus.

[reinoe]

This town sucks. And by "town" I mean all the people with a townie PM, who at this point are actually refusing to lynch scum but enthusiastically lynched another townie on D1 without even stopping to think. And now you idiots are swallowing this fake-claim trash hook line and sinker. I want nothing to do with this garbage.

The townies in this game are beneath me and the moderation is beyond atrocious.

@mod,

I ask to be replaced.

[reinoe]

GIF, said it's ok to post but I only asked in the first place because I was about to self-hammer.



Fluminator is now lying to try and push my lynch through claiming that I called him town when my scumread has been developing on him all day. Oh and by the way. If we include the nightphase from yesterday that was five RL days long I'd like to point out that It's been nearly 20 days and he still hasn't analyzed the RM wagon to figure out who's the scum on it. Despite claiming he doesn't have time.

Alchemist is pretending he didn't know that Vigilante's should shoot lurkers who don't do anything. And I stand by my stance. I think Gaiden is useless town and could have been shot. doublade should also have been shot because that slot was lurking so hard I forgot about it. Doublade is also a great vig shot and I don't think that lurker slot is town.

Majiffy is lying when he claims that KB didn't vote unless someone else did because KB was hard-pushing Majiffy's lynch for most of yesterday and part of today. Also Majiffy pretended that he didn't know Aphix was in the game when Aphix was very prominent yesterday.

Caledfwitch voted for me after I left but insisted that the slot has to be lynched with no reasons specified. Furthermore her slot lurked all day 1 but came out of the bushes to mislynch a townie yesterday without explaining why Random is scum right when it looked like the RM wagon was going to be derailed. Same thing today. Comes out of the bushes to claim I'm scum but again has no reason for why.

Fluminator has been scummy as fuck all day today. Majiffy has been scummy for the past two days. Alchemist has been subtly scum for two days. Doublade has been hardcore lurker scummy for two days but for some reason doesn't get vigged.

I don't see how anyone can believe that Matsumi Sisters thought the Ankamius slot was scum. Even if they weren't sure about Ankamius both Gaiden and Doublade were useless lurkers and are perfect vig shots.

Wagon on me is even shittier than the one on RM. I stand by everything I said when I rage-quit. This town's play is fucking shit.

VOTE: Majiffy

[reinoe]

Fluminator is now lying
Alchemist is pretending
Majiffy is lying
Caledfwitch['s] slot lurked all day 1 ...Same thing today.
Fluminator has been scummy as fuck all day today.
I don't see how anyone can believe that Matsumi Sisters thought the Ankamius slot was scum.

Meanwhile, town reads...

Literally everyone else is a strong townread. They're not even null.

[reinoe]

I understood insofar as I'm concerned why I would vote for RM.

Insofar as the wagon is concerned, I still had no idea and still don't what the reasons were.

Pretty clear if you English.

And yet you're not interrogating anyone on the random wagon.

[reinoe]

Because his vote for me was shit.

Bald still makes the best sense.

Majiffy says the random wagon was shit while almost simultaneously claiming he doesn't know why there was a random wagon in the first place. He also admits that he'd lynch random and the reason for it was because of random's shitty vote. And yet Majiffy never voted for random. Majiffy's biggest suspects are Krystal Bald and myself. Two people who were not on the randommidget lynch.

Everyone who's not voting for Majiffy needs to explain why right now.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Fluminator

[reinoe]

I have no idea who to vote for. Majiffy being town kinda screwed this game up for me.
Why Flum, reinoe?

Because he's obvscum.

[reinoe]

I'm pretty confident now in my town read of Majiffy and my scum read on Matsumi. Unfortunate that people don't listen to me.

Dude I was right there with you screaming about Matsumi being scum until I was purple in the face and rage quit. Furthermore Flum is scum.

[reinoe]

I have no idea who to vote for. Majiffy being town kinda screwed this game up for me.
Why Flum, reinoe?

No it doesn't screw the game up for you. Are you town? Yes? Well then scum hunt on the Majiffy wagon because by process of elimination you know you're 100% town. That's one less person you need to analyze. This is why Flum is scum. He refuses to analyze the randommidget wagon. TOWN ALWAYS SCUMHUNTS ON THE MISLYNCH WAGON THEY'RE ON. ALWAYS. Do that and then you'll see Flum is scum and Alchemist probably is too.

[reinoe]

Majiffy (4):

Newbie,

Krystal Bald, reinoe, Alchemist21, Fluminator.

Majiffy

Yep. Easy. Alchemist and Flum are scum. GG.

[reinoe]

randomidget(LYNCH)-

Fluminator

, Doublade, Ankamius, aphix,

Alchemist21

, SXTLHGaiden, Matsumi Sisters

Majiffy(LYNCH)

: Newbie, Krystal Bald, reinoe,

Alchemist21, Fluminator

, Majiffy


C'mon guys. This isn't rocket science.

[reinoe]

I hear scum sometimes like to fake a replace-out.

I'll also add that I disagree with his conclusion about Flum and myself. Just because we were on the 2 mislynch wagons doesn't automatically make us scum.

My replaceout was real. I asked the mod to replace me. Mod acknowledged my replace out and pursued my replacement. I abandoned the game for 10 days. I returned to self-hammer only to discover that I wasn't at L-1 when I got back. So there you have it everyone. Alchemist's scum case on me is "sometimes scum fake replace out" which is itself refuted by simply observing that my actions.

[reinoe]

I'd also like to point out that Reinoe wasn't on the rm wagon because he was on the Majiffy wagon that day. If he's going to base scumreads based on who voted for those 2 players, he's pretty much implicated himself as well.

That's a hardcore misrep. I wasn't on the randomwagon because I analyzed it and concluded that randommidget was town. Previous to that analysis I had no read on midget. I could have gone either way before the analysis. Afterwards I attempted to derail the wagon but that scumfuck Matsumi "oops hammered" while I was at work.

[reinoe]

Like Alc's response there, just so you all know.

You shouldn't. There's nothing to like.

[reinoe]

nothing wrong with a bit of pressure...

i also think reinoe is town so

reinoe, what are your thoughts on alc?

I've been calling him scum since day one just like I did Matsumi. I see no town motivation for why he's attempting to misrep other players.

[reinoe]

GIF, said it's ok to post but I only asked in the first place because I was about to self-hammer.

Fluminator is now lying to try and push my lynch through claiming that I called him town when my scumread has been developing on him all day. Oh and by the way. If we include the nightphase from yesterday that was five RL days long I'd like to point out that It's been nearly 20 days and he still hasn't analyzed the RM wagon to figure out who's the scum on it. Despite claiming he doesn't have time.

Came back to self hammer? Lol
Just remembered I need to respond to this. Your breakdown, if real, was at town. You were fine at post 804. I unvoted Matsumi right after. Then you had your breakdown at 808. Nothing else happened between. It really seems like you raged at town because I unvoted, implying you thought I was town.
Could you explain what was going through your head at that time?

Yes came back to self hammer. Yes raged at town because town is playing like shit. No I was not fine at post 804. "Hi Titus" is a reference to the avatar GiF was using. That you're trying to spin that as "oh he must have though Flum was town" is some ridiculous spin. What was going through my head at the time is "fuck this shit I'm so fucking done with this trash". That's how rage works. It's barely rational.

[reinoe]

I'd also like to point out that Reinoe wasn't on the rm wagon because he was on the Majiffy wagon that day. If he's going to base scumreads based on who voted for those 2 players, he's pretty much implicated himself as well.

That's a hardcore misrep. I wasn't on the randomwagon because I analyzed it and concluded that randommidget was town. Previous to that analysis I had no read on midget. I could have gone either way before the analysis. Afterwards I attempted to derail the wagon but that scumfuck Matsumi "oops hammered" while I was at work.

The point isn't that you were off the rm wagon, it's that you were on the majiffy wagon D1 and D2 and now want to scumread others for being on that wagon.

Why do you think I refused to join the RM wagon? Not only was your reason for voting random shit, it was contradictory. I specifically pointed it out. Yeah I'm pointing out others for being on the wagon. That's called scum hunting. Who had shitty "lulz let's get on the wagon" reason and who had actual reasons. Yours and Flums reasons for voting Majiffy were weak.

[reinoe]

Haha Krystal.
It was still the right choice I think. VOTE: Matsumi Sisters
No vig this game. Interesting. Last role is jailkeeper or inno child. And I have to agree I don't see how maf would pick jailkeeper.
We should look for softs from Anatole in what he saw N1 probably. Maf are getting annoyingly lucky with the kills.
Reino is pretty obviously another maf. The only reasons left that I thought he may be innocent was
1. Majiffy acting sort of scummy, and that they couldn't be maf together. Majiffy is confirmed town now.

2. I thought Krystal was softing a pr innocence on Reino. That's why I wanted to know if both hydra heads were in agreement. If there was disagreement it definitely wouldn't be a soft. Now it's pretty obvious she wasn't tracker.

Point two can't possibly make any sense to anyone rational.

[reinoe]

There you go about me allegedly ignoring the randommidget wagon. You like going back to that. The main reason I haven't been posting my thoughts on it, (And by the way I have looked at it) is because I am curious to see how long you will keep using that.

Why do you think I keep using it?

[reinoe]

VOTE: reinoe

So you think the interactions between myself and Matsumi Sisters throughout both day 1 and 2 were prolonged theatre?

[reinoe]

@Doublade: Can we get a full reads list from you? If you are town you really need to step up your game.
@Gaiden: It would be nice to get one from you too. One with reasons, not just who you think is scum.
@Aphix: Why do you think Newbie died? (There is a point to this question.)

1) Flum has not posted a reads list.

2) Flum has not posted a reads list.

3) A fluffy WIFOM question. You know who else posted fluffy WIFOM questions to waste time and look busy?

And he's still dodging the question, there's guaranteed scum here:

Unvote
Vote: reinoe

- Kuro.

I don't co-operate with confscum. Your "question" is a time wasting exercise designed to create WIFOM via thought masturbation. We will experience the heat death of the universe before I answer your question. As exemplified by your shooting of Ankamius, you're just going to shoot townies anyway. Your thought process is 100% in alignment with scum.

And he's still dodging the question, there's guaranteed scum here:

Unvote
Vote: reinoe

- Kuro.

I don't co-operate with confscum. Your "question" is a time wasting exercise designed to create WIFOM via thought masturbation. We will experience the heat death of the universe before I answer your question. As exemplified by your shooting of Ankamius, you're just going to shoot townies anyway. Your thought process is 100% in alignment with scum.

Day 3 Lynch

Matsumi Sisters were a

Mafia Goon.

[/b]

Night 3 Deadline

Night 3 lasts until 8 PM EST on October 17th. This is in (expired on 2014-10-17 19:00:00)

[reinoe]

@APHIX,

what is your opinion of Fluminator's play this game? Why do you think that?

[reinoe]

@Doublade: Can we get a full reads list from you? If you are town you really need to step up your game.
@Gaiden: It would be nice to get one from you too. One with reasons, not just who you think is scum.
@Aphix: Why do you think Newbie died? (There is a point to this question.)

1) Flum has not posted a reads list.

2) Flum has not posted a reads list.

3) A fluffy WIFOM question. You know who else posted fluffy WIFOM questions to waste time and look busy?

1 and 2. I'm pretty transparent on what I think about everyone already. I can make a reads list when I have time though to refresh everyone.

3. Your really grasping at straws now. The only reasonable case you have against me is I've been on both town wagons.
Also, before Newbie died Aphix was his main suspect. I wanted to know if Aphix would claim she died because she was too townie or to set him up. (His actual answer was not what I was expecting)

mafiascum ate my post. tl/dr when I ISO'd you I could not figure out where you stand with most people in the game. In several instances you make comments that are contradictory.

Please answer the question I posed to you in post 1056.

[reinoe]

Looking through Fluminator's ISO, I noticed that he asked Aphix a lot of questions. Not inquiry type of questions, I mean more of the "share your opinion on this" type of questions.

Aphix is unusually trusting and not at all suspicious of these questions.

Flum is obscum but Aphix seems to be literally treating Flum as if nothing he does is ever strange or suspicious.

[reinoe]

Welp, flubbed that up.

Also, heres what I think about Flum right now, YOUR(Read Reinoe) push on him is scummy. In every way in my mind.

Reinoe needs to be lynched.

No no...

Go ahead and explain it. You can't just say "it's scummy". Prove it.

[reinoe]

Oh gawd your right. Trying asking people questions is definitely scummy.

Flum talks to you like he trusts you. But looking at your interactions there's really no reason for that.

He claims he was town reading you through day one in post 848. But looking at your interactions together during day one that's unsupported. You don't think that's strange?

[reinoe]

mafiascum ate my post. tl/dr when I ISO'd you I could not figure out where you stand with most people in the game. In several instances you make comments that are contradictory.

Please answer the question I posed to you in post 1056.

I think you kept going back to that originally to change the topic when I was pressing you. Now you are just going back to it because you have limited arguments for me being scum.

So that's your story and your sticking to it.
From Newbie 1508...

I need to track how this aphix wagon happened.

Cabd has thought he was scum from the start and pushing it.
Rubicon thought he was scum at the start but now thinks he's town.
Jake thought he was scum third and pushed it heavily.
Goofydood thought aphix fourth and pushed it.
(Around here Rubicon thought aphix was town.)
Scripten considered aphix at the start. but nothing notable. Recently he has decided to be the fourth vote.
Thurhame leans toward thinking he is innocent.
I lean towards he is innocent, but I definitely have a hard time understanding many of his posts.
Rureluz is being Rureluz.

I would be ok with an aphix lynch because:
1. It is guaranteed some towns think he is scum.
2. Even if he is innocent, I think his death will give us the information to find the actual mafia.
What do you think Thurhame and Rubicon? Should we do the fifth vote?

I analyzed the aphix wagon to see if I could spot scummy behavior.

If aphix is a mafia, then I think it is reasonably safe to say the 4 who are currently voting for him are safe.
Basically the only thing Cabd has done is go against Aphix.
I just can't see anyway where both Jake and Aphix are scum.
Scripten brought him to 4 votes which is very close, especially when a wildcard like Rureluz may just suddenly vote for aphix and lynch him. I don't think he would do that if he and aphix were scum.
Goofydood is also targeting aphix and keeping him at 4. I would be suprised again.

That leaves four others who would be the mafia.
I know I'm innocent.
I suspect Rureluz is innocent. He doesn't seem to have any incentive to play and I think he would if he was mafia.
I think it would be almost as suprising for both Rubicon and Aphix to be scum. True he did change his mind when the aphix wagon was increasing, but I doubt the mafia would target his partner at the very beginning. I also feel like Rubicon is the most town.

That only leaves Thurhame. If aphix does turn up scum, it makes it very likely that Thurhame is scum in my mind (the only other somewhat likely possibility being Rureluz).

If aphix turns up innocent, I notice we wouldn't actually get all that much information as I originally thought.
It makes Cabd and Jake look especially bad, but almost everyone else would be likely candidates. I take back saying his death if innocent will reveal information.

Wow. Questioning a wagon before it happens to check on the credibility of the wagon. He sure didn't do that this game. And has in fact openly admitted that he's refusing to do so. He had no problems doing it when he was town. He did it without prompting.

And shockingly Aphix doesn't notice this incredibly divergent shift in behavior at all. He doesn't comment on it, he doesn't mention it. Nothing.

[reinoe]

There isn't much to explain. I think ALL OF YOUR POSTS. Look like it comes from a scum mindset. Period. This whole day you've had nothing but slimy posts.

Right now I have two scum reads, KB and Reinoe. Your flip is most relevant to the game, and my KB read. As I doubt you two are the same alignment.

There are a few reasons I want your lynch.

ALL OF YOUR POSTS!!!!! ALL OF THEM!!! I'M NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN IT BUT ALL OF THEM ARE SCUMMY THEY COME FROM A SCUM MINDSET ALL THEM!!!!

[reinoe]

More apathy driven. (Although this is my second game ever if you don't count the one I replaced into and died hours later.)
I'm not terribly impressed with online mafia so far. Most people in this game have been apathetic, way too emotional, or have a mean streak. I hope this isn't a pattern.

I apologize for this post. I was in a bad mood. I take this back.

So basically you want to lynch a now-inactive player instead of a horrible fake-claim.

Yes, I would rather lynch Reino than Matsumi.

Krystal still leans town to me. I'm satisfied with Majiffy's post for now. I also don't see Majiffy being scum with Reino. Still lean to the three A usernames being town.

I currently think it's Matsumi, Reino, and someone else in the group (Flames, Doublade, Gaiden in descending order of suspicion).

Notice the distinct lack of the name Majiffy in his scum list.

My reason for Majiffy was similar. More specifically, both Reino and Majiffy tried to make the people on the midget wagon look as scummy as possible.
The midget wagon wasn't really that suspicious in my opinion. At least not to the extent Reino made it out to be. How would the town on it have known someone would quick hammer.
@Krystal: this is really important to me, are both your heads in agreeance that Reino is town?

ya, i think he is town. so does nik. why is it so important?

Just curious. I'll be willing to believe you for today. No one else seems interested in lynching Reino anyway.

Sup Newbie, thanks for replacing.
This was the post I thought he scum-slipped.

You aren't catching me out that easily

It implies he's on guard to not get caught because he's maf.

So Majiffy and Anatole seem to be on one camp against Krystal. Newbie and Krystal seem to be against Majiffy and Aphix. Aphix and Reino were also against Majiffy.

I'll probably place my vote on Majiffy soon.

I want to re-read his ISO first.

Lulwut? Why is Majiffy worthy of a vote now?

Really? Since when did you want to go against Reino? Or are you trying to protect Majiffy?

Lulwut? Why are you suddenly suspicious of Majiffy? I missed that explaination...

My post didn't have the tone I intended. I see why you thought that. I'll keep that in mind for future games.
(But seriously, are you scum with Majiffy )

Still missing that explanation for why Majiffy is scum...

yo flum where's your majiffy vote at

First, what do you think of Reino's last post when he has the emotional breakdown. He clearly shows he thought I was town in that post, yet he was calling me scum in earlier posts. How do you explain that?
And I was willing to vote for Majiffy because people didn't want to vote for Reino and I didn't want to waste my vote. It seems a lot of people are willing to vote for Reino so I'll keep it on a bit longer.

LULZ. So you don't really have a scum case on Majiffy, you just want to be on the biggest wagon ok.

It looks like people are leaning Majiffy. Fair enough.

As I said I'll vote for him

. VOTE: Majiffy He is L-1.
Time is very short for me to post or read which is annoying because this is near the end of day.

You sure did. You never mentioned why he was scum though. That's what a shit vote looks like. It's the shittiest vote of the game. I'm even willing to say that that vote was shittier than Matsumi's "oops hammer".

[reinoe]

Hey guys, I logged in to self hammer just like last time.

This is seriously the worst town I've ever fucking seen.

VOTE: reinoe

Now to notify GiF because seriously fuck notscience and his shitty modding. I'm reporting this crap to LlamaFluff.

[reinoe]

randomidget(LYNCH)-

Fluminator, Doublade,

Ankamius,

aphix,

Alchemist21

, SXTLHGaiden, Matsumi Sisters

You can really tell the randomwagon was shit by how most people who were on it are still alive. Obvious scum are on that wagon.

Majiffy(LYNCH)

:

Newbie,

Krystal Bald,

reinoe,

Alchemist21

, Fluminator,

Majiffy

lulz.

reinoe(LYNCH)

:

Alchemist

, Aphix, doublade,

reinoe

I wonder if this town can connect the dots. Probably not because this town is shit.

[reinoe]

I got distracted last night and didn't get to do my analysis. ngl the fact that I don't think anyone bothered reading it certainly factored into this.
I'm tempted to say reinoe is scum from the fact that he contacted the mods to lock the thread asap. If so, I'd say the alc thing is distancing.

Jesus, why the fuck would I try to "distance" on my deathbed by pointing out how fucking scummy my "partner" is...Good god people.

[reinoe]

I got distracted last night and didn't get to do my analysis. ngl the fact that I don't think anyone bothered reading it certainly factored into this.
I'm tempted to say reinoe is scum from the fact that he contacted the mods to lock the thread asap. If so, I'd say the alc thing is distancing.

Jesus, why the fuck would I try to "distance" on my deathbed by pointing out how fucking scummy my "partner" is...Good god people.

I'm unequivically saying Flum and Al are scum. Besides a confession I don't know how much more obvious it could be.

[reinoe]

And if that's lynch, and your town. Like Majiffy you are making it even harder for town to do well. Way to be a shitpile this whole game regardless of your alignment.

Lulz. So why did you ignore Flum's incredibly dynamic shift in play between when he was town and this game? You don't get to play like shit and then complain about other players scumhunting.

[reinoe]

Phoneposting from work but if reinoe is town then Doublade needs to die.
reinoe, you've been pushing Flum the hardest and Alc as a second thought so for you to accuse Alc now with your dying breath is suspicious to me.

They're both scum.


Anyway time to troll the thread until n.s. gets here in eight days.


3-D printers are going to make all my dreams come true.

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All I have to say is I won't selfhammer as town. Here's to no one playing with you ever again.

Could you explain why you played like shit?

[reinoe]

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[reinoe]

All I have to say is I won't selfhammer as town. Here's to no one playing with you ever again.

Could you explain why you played like shit?

can you explain why you're absolute shit at losing??

This is why I "out" of your game. I couldn't imagine playing in two games where the mod is M.I.A.

[reinoe]

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[reinoe]

Literally nobody could explain why I was scum. That is when you know you've got shit town.

[reinoe]

Phoneposting from work but if reinoe is town then Doublade needs to die.
reinoe, you've been pushing Flum the hardest and Alc as a second thought so for you to accuse Alc now with your dying breath is suspicious to me.

Like I've literally been calling Alc scummy since day one. Is nobody paying attention this game? How is "pushing Alc as a second thought" even a thing?



This town is shit.

[reinoe]

And I was the FIRST person to call the Matsumi sisters scum.

I learned a valuable lesson when I jumped to Majiffy. If you know the town is shit, don't compromise with them. Never should have abandoned that Matsumi push.

[reinoe]

You thought Majiffy was scum too, don't try to pass the buck on this one to save your fragile little ego.

Oh yes. I fully acknowledge that I thought he was scum. I also explained

why.

That's the difference. It has nothing to do with ego. If my reasons were incorrect then it gives someone a chance to dispute those reason.

Compare that to Flum's reasons for voting Majiffy. COMPLETE SHIT. Obvious scum motivations for his vote so he could push through a mislynch. I already explained it.

[reinoe]

To the players who were not shit this game...

A tribute...

[reinoe]

No, but someone in the same game as lots of other people who might suggest that would.

Ok. I still think it's illogical for someone to clear a player as town, but still want them vigged. Then again, it's Reinoe we're talking about.

Incidentally, if Majiffy turns out to be scum (which seems very likely at this point), there's a good chance Reinoe is town. Looked back and noticed Matsumi and Majiffy both went after Reinoe. If Matsumi and Majiffy are scum together, I don't think they'd both try to bus the 3rd scum.

Unvote
Vote Majiffy

Why are you trying to do associations and VCA with no scum flip?

[reinoe]

Here's all of my notes so far on some of the players.

Alchemist21: Bringing to attention that he/she is new to mafia by asking why people are voting for Fluminator. Came off a little forced and not genuine interest on why Flumintor is being voted up but instead as more of an excuse/a way to throw out the “I’m a new player” card.

Doublade (Marquis/caledfwitch): Heavy lurking, not contributing much.

Krystal Bald (Mantisdreamz/Nikanor): Could we be looking at a brave mafioso that started the pregame choice convo hoping that a townie would express their confusion and then used the reaction fishing excuse as a way to clear a townie depending on the way that the townie reacted, hoping to receive town cred?

aphix: Jumped on a seemingly easy lynch (Anatole Kuragin), one that he/she will have the perfect excuse for (Anatole not knowing about pregame choices) if Anatole flips town. Came up with a sketchy reason why he/she kept his/her vote on Anatole after Krystal explained that he/she was just reaction fishing. Flip-flopping about agreeing with the reaction test and not agreeing with it.

My impression

: aphix thought he/she had an easy and “obvious” lynch to gain town cred but then realized that he/she jumped the gun when Krystal revealed that the whole pregame choice thing was just a way to reaction fish. Since it would look bad to unlynch, aphix gave a flimsy excuse as to why he/she isn’t unlynching.

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[reinoe]

Matsumi and Fluminator are probably scum.

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[reinoe]

also, some would note that i could have put both comments in the same post, but that would allow ns to page top wouldn't it?

Posts like this make me really hope a vig is in the game, though.

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[reinoe]

Like shoot the cop which the mafia also had shot.

It's also possible that there is a jk who stopped the mafia's kill.

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Flum are you scum bro?

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[reinoe]

risk vs. reward

possible scum lynch, with the risk of potentially lynching a 1-shot vig with awful judgment and no confirmed second kill. I'll take the chance

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[reinoe]

If anything Flumminator's like super town for still wanting to do stuff and scumhunt amidst the town apathy driven by reinoe and co.
- Kuro.

Now that is an interesting false accusation I'd like to see you support. How am I driving town apathy and who are the "co"?

By just trolling and posting irrelevant stuff instead of doing actual work related to the game, in hopes that ppl get tired of it and wait it out until deadline so you can speedlynch me as compromise lynch, or, hoping town will get tired of listening to your rambling and decide to just lynch me.
- Kuro

My posts criticizing Reinoe's contribution is directly opposed to what you're accusing me of.

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[reinoe]

Your reasoning is awful. You're saying she'll be conftown or confscum tomorrow. Ten seconds using your brain you should be able to come up with at least one scenario where that would not be the case.

[reinoe]

I've highlighted some good posts so that the shit town players can know what some good posts look like. If you want to know what some shit posts look like just look through Fluminator's, Aphix's, and doublade/caledfwitch's entire post histories. They're ISO's are full of shit posts.

[reinoe]

I'm pretty sure only the mod can make it public, even if you provide the link.

[reinoe]

Nah, Flum was town MVP. I say KB was scum MVP. Sorry I screwed you over, KB.

I agree with this. Superb job pulling it back flum and gaiden. I guess now I know not to trust hydras. I genuinely thought scum would win from Day 2. Nice playing with yall apart from reinoe.

Weren't you too busy being lynched day way to play with me?

[reinoe]

RE: People saying I should have hammered Alc:
You don't think that would've been weird if I just hammered someone I was townreading in lylo? Like, I'd been defending him all game, it would've been kinda screwy if I'd just hammered him out of nowhere.

Not really. Flum chainsaw defended Matsumi Sisters and then Chainsaw defended Alchemist before his vote switch.. Flum reasonlessly switched to Alchemist whom he was also townreading all game. You would have had a legitimate reason to hammer before Flum did.

[reinoe]

Nothing really surprising in the scum thread but I was amused by this...

point trying to lend credence to her claim. reinoe is a subpar kill anyway since so many people suspect him apparently for who knows what reason.

Aphix can explain that "everything reinoe does is scummy really everything" scumread he had on me any day but I doubt it'll come.