NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

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Vote: Maraca

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Here's the part where i realize I forgot to bookmark this thread, got 24 pages to catch up on

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I'm already at page 10, it doesnt take too long, so far Maracabd is obvtown so iirc i RVS'd them so

Unvote

Going on...

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As of page 18, I'm surprised I haven't gathered many votes considering how I was active overall, but never posted here. Also i'm not filling that townbloc application because I know you'll obvtown me anyways. ffery and Nat's posts feel off so far, but it's not that strong, on the other hand F-16 accusing Gen of being agreeable while being agreeable himself is giving me bad vibes

Vote: F-16

Going on...

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Sakura scum. I'm having a shitton of trouble believing this post came from the same person who always preaches "reasonless RVs are bad", and MC Maraca hadn't posted yet, so I don't see how it's not an RV.

I never said it wasn't an RV, and wouldn't scum me try to do something I do as town instead of something different?

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I never said it wasn't an RV, and wouldn't scum me try to do something I do as town instead of something different?

1. then what was the point of that vote? maraca didn't have any posts and you didn't give a reason

2. no. you could be WIFOMing, or you could be scum who's scared as fuck at the start of the game and was afraid to give out any reasons. for an example of scum doing smth different, see touhou upick and how it was fking obvious bc I played like shit that whole game. however, I wouldn't put it past you to try it and be skilled enough to pull it off too

1. Because it's Maracabd and us 3 go ways long.

2. Who's the one WIFOMing here?

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1. I didn't have one at the time, I just wanted to leave a post in the thread.

2. You're the one that's bringing it WIFOM about it, I repeat, why wouldn't I do something I normally do as town when I'm scum rather than something different?

I think one of my previous posts answers your question directed towards "EVERYONE" if you were reading that is.

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I don't get it. can you explain further

Easy, I was at work when I received the day start PM i just went and looked at the playerlist voted for Maracabd and left, you'd realize i was in a hurry considering I even forgot to bookmark the thread and got a prod.

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Why are you doubting your townreads and not going into your fully null-reads?

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@pie: What's with you asking others for their views on other people without giving your own?

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also you of all people should know I like to do this. I'm finding it weird you of all people would pressure this kind of angle

I know you do this regardless of alignment, I'm just wondering why you do it in general as a player since I've never asked.

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also, how the fuck am I supposed to get a better read on Sakura when she only had like 3 posts?

Except apparently you scum read me off my very first post and didnt read the other posts I made.

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your first post made me lean scum -> your other posts did nothing to make me question said read

So in other words you think that this:

Here's the part where i realize I forgot to bookmark this thread, got 24 pages to catch up on

Is faked?

How would you explain the correlation between me not posting a reason > not posting at all > Getting prodded > Mentioning that I forgot to bookmark the thread is most likely to be a big scum plan instead of being in a hurry because I was at work?

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your backpedaling on having a reason

I never had a reason, can you tell me when have I stated that I had a reason?

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That's only the reason for picking them out of the playerlist, not the reason for the vote, I could've rolled dice all the same.

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Well if you want to think of that as the reason then suit yourself, but then that means my RV did have a reason which basically your case on me is not having one.

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it would thus follow that her picking them was independent of her vote on them

That's exactly what i'm implying.

>Me looks at playerlist
>Me sees Maracabd
>Me votes Maracabd
>Me is too busy to put an RV reason so me leaves it at that.

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why haven't you pushed the more traditional "you can't read me" angle? I was kind of surprised how you didn't point this out > <

Because it's getting old and i'm not sure you're town yet.

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I think I made him go cry D:

*pats GiF*

@pieguy: I'll get to your question later (or tomorrow if i survive work)

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Well I don't like those arrows.

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the Konami Code is overrated :<

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Also, Hi DOMO, nice that we meet again in a game that looks more mafia than the last one.

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Maybe i should use that

green

clothed archer as my avatar and give Cabd a heart attack.

j/k

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But your hydra's posting seems more consistent with nero's style than yours.

Actually this is something I agree with.

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Aw man I got a sick read. GiF is scum.

I had a gut townread on them, could you explain please? or is it related to how you thought it was Nero's play?

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That's an interesting thought actually. Ok i'll sheep for now.

Unvote
Vote: KoreanBBQ

@Thor/Nacho: What are your thoughts on F-16 wrt my post regarding him during my catch ups?

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So pieguy you're joining a wagon where Me and NachoThor are on, and supposedly we're your scumreads, thoughts on that?

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Oh yeah he was null, I remembered wrong, nevermind!

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Alright Thor's most prob. Town.

SHEEPING TIME PEOPLE!

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Here's the part where I drop a "town tell". Who forgets a game in which they rolled scum?

True enough if i was scum, the scum QT would remind me at least of the existance of this game, since i had no way to remember this game without looking at old PMs because i forgot to bookmark it, i easily slipped into a prod, and then had to read the whole thread.

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So Nero you dont quote anything from me nor ask me anything yet you're alright with me getting Dayvig'd

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You don't give substantial reasoning behind reads or votes.

Neither did yours

Your votes are too reactive.

So was mine, why didnt you question it?

Unvote
Vote: SSK

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Meh yeah. I guess I wasn't giving a wide enough scope. But as I said, it's mostly gut.

Apparently your scope was wide enough that you considered my reciprocal vote town, so you have at least been reading the thread.

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why those ones with specifically over 100 posts?

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~Bulba

lol'd

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@Mod: I'M V/LA through Monday

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This is the point where i would normally make a naked vote on Varsoon and see how he reacts to even more naked votes on him.

But I think SSK is scum so i rather my vote stay there.

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Because he's being too easy on thinking im town.

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Because he's being too easy on thinking im town.

The pressure may or may not come later, Sakura. We shall see just how you do.

"Don't worry im just waiting till you get some heat to have a reason to hop onto it"

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Naked vote, most probably Nero, but i dont remember if GiF has done those before.

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@Sakura: did you ever explain why you thought geists felt off

I don't think so, but it's not something i can put into exact words, it's like a gut feeling i have...

idk if im just not reading correctly Nat/ffery (as in reading Nat as ffery or viceversa), but there are certain things that i'd expect Nat OR ffery to have done by now and i haven't seen any of that yet.

Another thing is their tone, it feels different from what i'm used to.

And that pretty much sums up my gut feeling, might be something else, but it's just giving me weird vibes.

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My tone is fucked across the board this week. This is more or less why.

I'm getting over it.

Is that the game you were talking about in NY 167?

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Well if i were in that situation i'd feel for you, guess you do have a reason for your tone being off then.

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Eh it's kinda hard to pinpoint specific posts, but at least now I know why their tone is different you see, in this game we had that just ended a townie fakeclaimed cop guilty on one of the scum and kept it up no matter what, then he said he was just a VT and ffery got mad because on another game a VT did the exact same thing on her but she was town, and that p.much lost them the game, so i'd expect her to still have feelings left over from that.

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Hey, Varsoon, when you slam with the best...you eat with the rest.

Or something like that, I dunno.

You mean "Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest"?

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certainly there had to be smth that made you get said gut read on him tho

Yes, i have a hard time explaining gut reads tho, it's a feeling i had while playing...

wait i never said gut read, just gut feeling o.o

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So Nat, talk to me about SSK.

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Meh. I have him down as town tentatively.

So his read on me:

I have dived into your scum meta before, Sakura. You're not acting like that there. You seem town here, so of course a reactive vote wouldn't be as scummy for you. A reactive vote is cream on a cake.

Changing to:

The pressure may or may not come later, Sakura. We shall see just how you do.

Because i said he was townreading me too easily...

Is something he does as town?

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Well it isn't clear enough to me, but ok i'll buy it for now

Unvote

Imma recheck Varsoon's posts.
Why is Nacho/Thor scum?

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this is why I'm worried you're distancing from your earlier read. like this response doesn't even answer anything and it just made me confused @_@ IMO it seems like you're over-justifying the fact that you reversed a read. and when I asked you about it you didn't provide an explanation for any of it, and are trying to deflect with responses like that. and this kind of defense matches what you were doing earlier

I do have momments like that where i find it hard to explain my gut feelings, if i could explain them i wouldnt call em gut feelings to begin with.

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Also pieguy, iirc you used to have gut feelings too all the time didnt you? I read something like that back when i modded my first mafia game: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2352413

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ugh i have a feeling this is going to be like Xenologue all over again...

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Because SSK was the only scumread remaining I had, which means I have no scumreads anymore, which reminds me of Xenologue where i was townreading everyone.

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Jabberwock's town, you're town, Lady's town, Sak's null leaning scum, DTM's null leaning scum, everyone else's null.

?

Hmm weird, i remember it differently o.o i even remember someone mentioning that it was ok for me to have no reads considering I had no hydra partner like the others.

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15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.

Nah too lazy.

Besides im at the point of breaking out anyways.

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So let's get this straight DOMO, you think Desperado is chainsawing SC, by the sole definition of chainsaw defense you're implying that Desperado and SC are scumbuddies, so basically for you both of them are scum, so why are you moving your vote off the larger wagon on SC if you also think he's scum?

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I asked multiple times in the past and i always was told that chainsaw defense is only called Chainsaw defense if it's scum on scum. (As in scum attacking the attacker of their scumbuddy)

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Vote: DOMO

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Sakura mainly based on lack of doing things

Well sorry but i haven't been motivated to play much mafia in general, lately i dont get as much fun as i used to, and it doesn't help bundled up with my real life issues (which is why im on V/LA)

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@Cabd: RE The Fakeclaim: Tbh i thought you were claiming Day cop or something.

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So varsoon's lining lynches and thinks that's a pro-town move to do? jesus

Unvote
Vote: SC

You're lining up lynches by putting doubt into your own read on DOMO, "if he's town desp is scum" then you question him when he says that he doesn't

know

that you're scum but rather

thinks

you're scum?

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Also i'm not liking how Varsoon has to repeat in each of his posts "I'm town" "I'm gonna flip town" rather than actually being town >_>

PEd: Convenient for me unconvenient for you.

PEd2: That's looking good to me, all those people will be obvtown to me when you flip scum

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DOMO, I AM NOT SCUM.

Holy shit, sorry.

unvote

I like your style.

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I wanna work with you...

;_;

30 minutes ago you seemed to want him hanged tho.

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Cephrir why you noticed his 180, but you didnt notice my vote going from sheeping SC to voting him?

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Why would I continue to push a scum-read I wasn't confident in?

I don't think you're going to flip town at all, DOMO.

That looked pretty confident.

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Apparently you lost confidence out of DOMO's #1551? Why wouldn't scum DOMO mention something involving Town ffery like that that made you lose all your confidence in him flipping scum?

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Also, should I go get McDonald's or Little Ceasars? I don't know which way I want to eat away my stress, but those are my options.

-V

Daykill: Stuffed Crust

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You can eat my bullet, it's tasty enough.

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So? I'm bulletproof.

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I only know strongmen in scum, so yeah.

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Yeah no, and you'll be dead soon anyways, so whatever.

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If I wasn't in this with Mac, I'd just quote my role pm, get a ban, and shut your smug mouth.

No need to do that, you'll flip soon.

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Then, since if everyone agrees that I'm absurd/retarded/nonsense/whatever, then they can simultaneously ignore anything I've done all game, which is also super-convenient for scum, as I tend to actually catch scum early.

Oh look and here's the part where Varsoon's getting ready to use his "I was acting like a VI" card.

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Well i can rant about you how my boss has been harsh on me the past couple weeks and sometimes even threatening with firing me and has been keeping me really stressed and the fact that im not going to get any sort of vacations until next year isnt really reasurring.

Tho at least he had the heart to let me take a few days off when i was stricken with a cold.

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So i'm town now?

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Apparently i was one out of 4 possible scum, and now im not, what made you change that?

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Hi mara what are your reads, or are your reads the same ones that your hydra posted several posts ago?

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And here i thought i was the emotional one o_o

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that break has done wonders

I'm starting to think that i need one myself... again

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Uprade Copter to town, maybe.

Wait what.

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For some reason im seeing parallels between pieguy and saki this game... what... mind blown.

Tbf tho i dont think pieguy's scum.

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So i am back from V/LA anyone has any questions for me?

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Town: pieguyn, Maracabd, geists, Casso, goodmorning.
Null: Everyone else.
No scumreads.

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Maracabd because i feels like Town Mara, and Cabd's gambit feels like Town Cabd, Casso considering the way Nacho/Thor have been interacting and pushing people, goodmorning is mostly gut.

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Why didnt you ask for my townread on pieguy?

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Except you asked me for 3, oh well mayb i misinterpreted the post you had made before i came back.

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What the Balloney? Could you explain how your mind went from:

I want our vote here, the most I think

To:

Oh also thank you for towning pie.

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Hi Bert!

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Do you like... have scum reads and can you switch off SC kthx.

I posted some reads not too long ago and I already said I have no scumreads.

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Can you at least use your vote to pressure someone that isn't town or something please?

I'm already pressuring one of my nulls

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Jesus, site loves going down when im at home, will read later.

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So I've skimmed over the last few pages, and I'm not sure I like Nacho atm, also I don't have much time either... =/

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So I skipped the last 5 pages because i can't muster the energy to read through all that, can someone just give me a wagon to sheep?

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Well iirc im already voting SC so i guess we're good on that.

I think...

who am i voting again?

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
pieguyn
Sakura Hana
Cephrir
Desperado

^ Here are the scums. Please feel free to create a wagon on any.

Well if you're going to wagon anything in there please do so on me so i dont need to bother with this game anymore that i can't even keep up with atm.

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u seem to be able to keep up a little bit.
There's also an invitation to the ballroom if you care to accept it.

My Boss just told me that I have 3 days including today where i have a break from the activity I was at, so I'm ready for whatever in this thread.

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You ready to catch up?

Too lazy still to read all that's gone in this thread, too many stuff i skimmed, lots of walls and noise, and I only feel comfortable with voting SC at the momment, why dont you vote him with me instead?

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There was a mason claim?

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Wasn't that a gambit?

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I'm not voting Stuffed Crust for a lot of reasons.

For one, when Mac opened the game he seemed fairly light, casual, smooth, confident. I don't feel his openings come across like that when he is scum. He also engaged us on our townread of him early, and followed up on it later which is a forwent sign since scum usually aren't bothered by townreads in them, especially when they are getting wagoned.

Varsoon was pretty easy and confident in his towniness and defiant as hell, don't remember seeing that in Xenogears. I mean, sure, he had fun with Charles Barkley and all that jazz but this confidence isnt centered around his slam dunk case bullshit; it's centered around how he is town with a holy mission and he will pour his soul into that mission. I especially liked his Dat Ass posts and his red tie posts; we have seen Varsoon as scum under pressure situations before, and he never manages to come out quite the same. What is lacking in what Varsoon has posted so far is his conspiracy theories and his crazy crazy brand of towniness, but I still think that it is closer to his normal town game than his scum game.

I like Macs confidence and the way that he goes about his pushes. I can't ever remember seeing a Mac scum game where he went after a hard to reach target as confidently as he's doing here, and I like the way he's handling geists voting him.

What I realized when retreading is that there's not as much as I'd like in the Iso from Mac, but I still think that him making the pushes he's been making under the pressure he's been under makes him more town than anything.

So, Sakura. Shoot again.

Hmm ok...

Unvote
Vote: Casso

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Heh, just kidding

Unvote
Vote: SC

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Bullet flies through the darkness, finds nothing but air.
No thoughts on my town case on him?

it doesnt feel like you to give such an easy townread on someone like Mac/Varsoon

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Because I've seen Scum Varsoon do what you mentioned in See Nine Plus Plus

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Why does it matter about the Mac bits when Varsoon can do it?!?!?!

Exactly...

Admitedly I've never played against Scum Mac, so I'm reading Varsoon.

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No scumhunting, most of his stuff is trying to say "I'm town" rather than "X is scum because reasons" which is similar to what he was doing on see nine plus plus until he found a way to bus on his partner for towncred.

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I literally dont know where else to go, I've said that already in an earlier post.

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Because that's not what your initial response to the town case seemed like. And if that was the case, why aren't you telling me to get someone for you to sheep and instead are settling for the largest wagon?

Because I'm done sheeping you after Open 534.

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Hi Nero

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On further re-read, geists still hasn't done what i'd expect them to be doing by now, Also i'm retracting my townread on Casso and flipping it over. Nacho doesnt give easy townreads like that and it's bothering me like hell all.

Current reads:
Town: Maracabd, goodmorning, Bert, DOMO.
Leaning Town: Korean BBQ.
Leaning Scum: geists
Scumreads: Casso, SC.

Everyone else is null.

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Sakura has just been a lurker most of this game, but I'm not one who can say I have luck reading her. And does her game here resemble AA-Sakura at all? If so, how?

I'm here now, so feel free to interact with me as much as you want to remove that paranoia off your head.

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That was pretty awkward of you.
But no, you're not going to make me change my mind about either of you.

PEd: Glad someone agrees with me on GM.

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Unvote: Sakura
Vote: Stuffed Crust

Pretty sure he's town.
Discuss.

On further re-read, geists still hasn't done what i'd expect them to be doing by now, Also i'm retracting my townread on Casso and flipping it over. Nacho doesnt give easy townreads like that and it's bothering me like hell all.

Current reads:
Town: Maracabd, goodmorning, Bert, DOMO.
Leaning Town: Korean BBQ.
Leaning Scum: geists
Scumreads: Casso, SC.

Everyone else is null.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

I'm literally looking at both of these posts in awe

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If this turns into another NY 164 my haiku-writing will start a hell of a lot earlier this time.

It's already well on its way. It's huge, says nothing, and people are scared to lynch anyone else.

Well if you want me to lynch someone else, it might as well be you, or do you prefer to keep throwing your scumbud under the bus?

[Sakura Hana]

SC has more votes.

PEd: @geists: Then i better see a ffery trajectory analysis soon then.

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SC has more votes.

So we and you are winning then, right? So what's your issue?

I don't have one? You're the one that has an issue with SC being the lynch.

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And I never EVER produce them on cue when someone I'm scumreading demands one.

I thought you'd be more willing considering on that newbie game my scumread on you came from your lack of trajectory analysis.

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And I never EVER produce them on cue when someone I'm scumreading demands one.

I thought you'd be more willing considering on that newbie game my scumread on you came from your lack of trajectory analysis.

That was hilarious, because you had no idea that what was most scummy in my behavior was pretending to do trajectory analysis when you asked for it, not that I hadn't done trajectory analysis before then.

Yeah, but i dont like your OWN trajectory of your read on me, your suspicion has been increasing like an OMGUS to my increasing suspicion on you and when i suddenly start putting you as leaning scum you instantly vote me

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On one side we have ffery's slow increasing scumread on me at the same time i start mentioning things that should have come from nati or ffery that they haven't done to make me think they're town, then vote after i say i'm leaning scum.

On another side we got a Varsoon that's acting a lot like the scum Varsoon from see nine plus plus

And a Nacho/Thor, 2 ppl whom i think would easily pick up scum defending Varsoon then going for last minute bus.

3 scum there.

Leaving this here in case I get lynched or NK'd.

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Ffery

wondering why Sakura's scum, and where is your points/case? I must have missed it I think, lost in this large game.

I haven't walled a case and I'm probably not going to. You can see my reads lists and comments about her in my ISO. Her reads suck, and not just her read on me. They're a sad amalgamation of a handful of consensus town and a couple curve balls so's not too look too sheepy.

What's funny is that you also forgot I started suspicion on you like 50 pages ago, I haven't seen much improvement in what little i saw of you, but your tone kept the same as when I mentioned it back then even tho you said you had a reason for your tone back then.

I'd expect something like that to improve by now.

I'd expect you to know I've had real life issues, I came after i finally get a break, do a re-read and re-asses, those are my results, learn to deal with them, you didnt like them so you vote me, I'd expect town ffery or Nat to at least ask why i was leaning scum on them before voting and making decissions.

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P-Edit: Nothing. My vote's moving back there eventually but this looks fun.

What do you expect to achieve then?

@Nacho/Thor: I have never played against Scum Nacho, but i dont remember Nacho ever handing out easy townreads like that, and i'd also expect him to be harsher on the lukers. Thor I was once a partner of his in a scumgame but i replaced in and my predecessor was obvtown so i don't really know whether he'd do that as scum, but I'm not ruling it out.

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I don't think you're town. If I did I'd be yelling at you for having such a terrible read.

Well you obviously dont "think" im town but "know" im town, Scum

[Sakura Hana]

It's going nowhere good for you I can assure you that.

And your other post makes me think that when i flip town you're just gonna blame it on "Terrible reads" to avoid responsibility.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh almost forgot to mention on my last post but pieguy's still town as well

PEd: They are cause of alarm for me!

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I'm pretty sure Varsoon is town and I dunno what you're seeing

Obviously you arent reading my posts either then.

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@Thor: And here i thought you were starting to agree with nacho's vote on me?

[Sakura Hana]

Dat reaction...

[Sakura Hana]

BERT MAKE A FREAKING VOTE

LIKE, RIGHT NOW

Vote: F16-Fighting-Falcon

Sorry Falcon!!! But I'm not great at reading you anyway, and I can't remember you as town ever receiving this kind of flak.

I don't really understand the SC wagon anyways, it's so much noise and they're not being convincing at all. I Feel like it's Varsoon's style that's getting to the forefront. That's all but a gut vibe though.

And apparently you're scumreading geists but willing to follow Mara on F-16 what is this?

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Come one come all, you need to hurry to be on the "town slots" of this speed wagon before you're stuck in the "scum trolley"
Oyez, oyez, oyez!

No i dont like your town seats, because they are on wagon on someone that's null over someone that's scum to me.

[Sakura Hana]

And yes I'm still scumreading geists. Did you notice Falcon's reluctance to vote geists at all despite agreeing with my points? And their distancing early in the game, and Ffery's reluctance to vote Falcon at all.

I guess you do have a point there...

[Sakura Hana]

>Gets back into this game
>Lays down scumreads with reasons on 3 people
>Asks people to lynch the 3 while voting the one with the highest ammount of votes
>People move to someone completely different outside of the 3.
>My face when...

[Sakura Hana]

NO NACHO ISN'T SCUM

What makes you so sure?

[Sakura Hana]

Thor's never been this freaking town, ever.

He was more town in the game where i was his partner and i was scumreading him before replacing in.

[quote="In post 3185Nacho's thoughts are super freaking transparent[/quote]
No they are not, they feel faked, he keeps saying he wants to sort me then just leaves and forgets, his "sorting" of SC looks like an easy handout of a townread, and considering you've fooled him as scum you should know that it isn't something easy to do.

[Sakura Hana]

dem fail quote tags

[Sakura Hana]

Sure go ahead, doubt it'll change my mind tho, as I've just given a quick re-read of their ISO and i sitll find nothing genuine.

[Sakura Hana]

I've seen Thor use that tone as Scum, so?

[Sakura Hana]

Varsoon head of Stuffed Crust V/LA until

January

25th

That's quite a long V/LA

[Sakura Hana]

Suddenly SC appears.

[Sakura Hana]

Dear Bert,

Please take a look at this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=29913
Read Varsoon's posts, he was in danger multiple times.
He was lynched in the end by derp hammer from me.
He kept saying he was obvtown even during twilight.
He flipped Mafia Roleblocker.

With Love,
Sakura

[Sakura Hana]

Because my read on SC is meta related, my read on you and Casso is based on interactions with my scumread and myself overall and the reactions to my reaction tests.

And I already explained why I went for SC some posts ago:

SC has more votes.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm pretty sure any of the other ones can be faked but this:

I liked this section of the post as it, yet again shows that they are talking, and not only talking, but scum-hunting withing their QT. this post shows that they are debating reads, and that they are actually trying to find some kind of common ground

I spent 15 minutes thinking "How can i disprove this", I couldn't... hence I concede, Casso is town again.

[Sakura Hana]

Because my read on SC is meta related, my read on you and Casso is based on interactions with my scumread and myself overall and the reactions to my reaction tests.

And I already explained why I went for SC some posts ago:

SC has more votes.

No he doesn't.

SC has 5.
Casso has 3.
You had none.

Tho now Casso is pointless, as Mara convinced me otherwise.

[Sakura Hana]

Uhh No?

On further re-read, geists still hasn't done what i'd expect them to be doing by now, Also i'm retracting my townread on Casso and flipping it over. Nacho doesnt give easy townreads like that and it's bothering me like hell all.

Current reads:
Town: Maracabd, goodmorning, Bert, DOMO.
Leaning Town: Korean BBQ.
Leaning Scum: geists
Scumreads: Casso, SC.

Everyone else is null.

Leaning Scum: geists
Scumreads: Casso, SC.

[Sakura Hana]

1) That only means im getting suspicions on them, not scumreading them overall.
2) That happened after I had made that post where i mentioned SC having more votes.

And you wonder why I think you're scum?

PEd: Oh well >_>

[Sakura Hana]

wow nice discredit. votes Sakura -> she tries to discredit her attacker by calling her awkward

Actually the "That was awkward" was referring to Casso's unvote of me and vote of SC saying that they were voting a townread.

Also I still have my townread of you, but otherwise my crumb wouldnt work.

[Sakura Hana]

15. Sakura Hana <- hi AA:MFA sakura

Hi you still sux at reading me, and I'm still town, and we're never lynching me. Tho since im not being globally townread at least I'll survive a night.

[Sakura Hana]

And suddenly people stop posting.

[Sakura Hana]

The lack of interactions of F16 with me and he still having me as null is scaring me.

[Sakura Hana]

YOU have me as null and hadn't initiated any interactions with me where as I have. I asked you about your reads and your thoughts on the game state whenever I could catch you out of V/LA. You seem very much like an elusive, mysterious person who wants to be chased just for the lolz.

You could easily do Meta on me, I did follow up on the newbie game where i replaced out and ffery came in, that you helped solve in the end. While I have no idea how to read you so my interactions with you would be kind of pointless =/

[Sakura Hana]

I have a feeling that when F16 is back im going to be asleep.

[Sakura Hana]

You say you have no idea how to read me. Are you implying that you don't attempt to read players that you haven't played with? Because even you don't have a meta baseline, I think it is possible to evaluate a player's behavior in game.

Or i could let some of my townreads sort you for me. But I do admit that some of the stuff you've done looks a but sketchy.

[Sakura Hana]

ugh i have a feeling this is going to be like Xenologue all over again...

Who would've thought.

[Sakura Hana]

And this is what happens when i decide to spend what little time I had gained to one of my games, oh well enjoy your mislynch

Vote: Sakura

*ragequit*

[Sakura Hana]

And yes im fucking quitting mafia after this I had already decided this days ago, and this just strengthens my decission.

[Sakura Hana]

So my mafia career ends the same way as most of my games...

By getting mislynched.

Seems like a fitting end for me.

a.k.a hurry up and lynch me so i can remove MS from bookmarks and never come here again.

[Sakura Hana]

Who's scum on your wagon, Sakura?

And what do you make of Pie, who is saying you are playing like AA-Sakura?

I dont know, nor I care, find them on your own.
This is the treatment I get after finally getting time to invest on this game then this game is not even worth of me trying.

[Sakura Hana]

Claim please?

Nah I wont claim, live with the burden of it.

[Sakura Hana]

Nah, mafia isn't fun anymore for me and that's why im quitting. I wanted to at least try to do something here, but suddenly a wagon pops out of nowhere for me, no case no nothing, just votes popping out on the basis of "she's scum", so you won't get anything but anti town behavior and trolling for me until my lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

Why? After what i saw today i have no respect for anyone in this game.

And I'm heavily dissapointed on Nacho.

Just as I predicted... this is gonna be Xenologue all over again.

[Sakura Hana]

wtf is up with the activity this game and why are we wagoning Sak?

Because apparently "she's scum" is a good reason to lynch someone.

[Sakura Hana]

Agreeing with the town lurk theory that BRO originally presented seems disingenuous because that sort of lurk theory is a BRO original, I haven't seen it anywhere else, and yet Sakura looks at that reasoning and calls it her own? Not likely.

I agreed with GM being town, not the "townlurk" theory.

[Sakura Hana]

1) In early game, Sakura didn't really provide much content except for an interaction with Pieguy that felt like a par for the course type of deal. She also made a comment to the effect of "I'm surprised more people aren't voting me for lurking", which is weird considering some things several players in this game should understand. She also dismissed Cabd pretty quickly, and not because they were doing anything but because everyone else called them obvtown.

2) First interaction with our slot, Sakura asked why you were voting KoreanBBQ, you explained, and then she was like "oh, obvtown!" and started sheeping us. I think but am not confident that this coincides with Open 534 (the game that was so horrible Sakura said she wouldn't sheep me ever again), but at the time, it felt like an easy reason to townread us and wasn't really consistent with her "eh, Nachos doing good enough, I'll give him a sheep for now".

3) I found the static vote on SC was weird for someone who had no scumread and instead some townreads and a bunch of nulls. I didn't like her calling me scum for easy townreads, because those are kind of my thing, and I don't like how she backed off ago quickly after Mara posted her town case. Expecting me to be harsher on the lurkers is also emoticon worthy,

And interestingly enough, the other 75% of your case is from when i was getting pressured in real life and was skimming pages here so I decided to just screw it and sheep one of my townreads that wasn't you at the end.

[Sakura Hana]

Agreeing with the town lurk theory that BRO originally presented seems disingenuous because that sort of lurk theory is a BRO original, I haven't seen it anywhere else, and yet Sakura looks at that reasoning and calls it her own? Not likely.

I agreed with GM being town, not the "townlurk" theory.

Why did you think GM was town?

It was gut from the way she posted when I was doing my catch up of the first or so 25 pages (since i had forgotten to bookmark this game), now with the Mason claim being real it all makes sense and i had had a townread on that slot so it didnt change much for me.

[Sakura Hana]

Why did you call Cabd town early?

I did the same thing on another Newbie game, I feel confident on reading Cabd, and since he claimed Mason my guess was right.

Why were you sheeping Thor and I when open 534 was still going on and it was clear i was playing like shit? Also, I don't like how you said you weren't sheeping me because Open 534 and then you said you weren't sheeping me because you didn't know where else to go. Could you explain that?

I had always sheeped you and I couldn't use a reason from an ongoing game to suddenly decide to not sheep you.

Why is me giving early townreads scummy? The first game content post in our QT has me producing 4 easy townreads, I can't remember a time where I didn't give early townreads.

I was concerned about the easy townread on Varsoon, not any of the others.

[Sakura Hana]

hey sakura, who do you think is scum?

Check my ISO my reads haven't changed much since then, specially because I stopped giving a damn about this game after the sudden stupid compromise flash wagon on me.

[Sakura Hana]

In the other newbie game, your read was a reaction test. Was it a reaction test here?

It may have been it may have not been, my last reads list could have been or could have not been, point is, I'm not telling yet.

You weren't sheeping us before you asked Thor about Korean BBQ and you didn't have to create a situation at all so you could call us town and sheep us. Also, the explanation part is about a more recent exchange where you said that you were sheeping me because Open 534, I said "or is it because you don't know where else to go?" and you were like "yeah, that". I can dig up post numbers if you need me to.

Probably was unnecessary indeed, so?

Why is the easy townread on Varsoon concerning?

Because easy town read on Varsoon like what Titus did on See Nine Plus Plus is what made us misvig her eventually.

[Sakura Hana]

1) I want to hear about the Cabd read. What's the point of holding reaction test/not reaction test to your chest anymore? He's outed as mason in a position where he won't just be able to lolretract later. I want to know what you were thinking at that point in time because it didn't seem like a reaction test, and I have no idea what you would form your legitimate read out of.

Well ok fine, the truth is, is that i dont even remember why i was townreading him i only remember it being something I noticed during my catchup.

2) So... It seems weird that you would put yourself into the position of sheeping us when you don't have to put yourself in that position, fabricate a townread on us in order to sheep us and then don't end up sheeping us on a townread later down the road and use reasoning you didn't give a shit about earlier to justify staying on said wagon, then changing your mind again later about not sheeping us because of that game and instead saying its because you didn't have anywhere else to go?

This is another thing I had forgotten about until I don't remember who mentioned it and I was like "Wait I did that?"

3) You think I'm scummy because I'm easily townreading Varsoon because someone you misvigged had an early townread on Varsoon in a game where he was scum? My read on Varsoon and Mac isn't easy, I backed it up fine and you dismissed the who,e thing. I pointed out the differences in Varsoon play here and Varsoon in See Nine Plus Plus and you ignored all of them.

I'm not seeing said differences despite you pointing them out, And I still want to lynch SC or me.

[Sakura Hana]

What are you thinking about Sakura now?

I'd rather know what YOU are thinking about me now.

[Sakura Hana]

Except i thought i said im quitting Mafia because it's not fun for me anymore?

[Sakura Hana]

I was planning on doing something this game at least, then I got wagoned so I decided to shut down.

Like what else did you expect me to do? I had not much suspicion on me while I wasn't paying any attention to what was going on, I decide to invest time here and suddenly im a compromise flash wagon that was driven to L-1 (Technically L-2 except im making myself hated by self vote), do I have any reason to continue spending more time in this game? I certainly didn't. But hey apparently now you guys want to hear what I say without making it like everything I say comes from a scum PoV.

[Sakura Hana]

I'll compromise on anyone else at this point.

Like who?

[Sakura Hana]

I guess so

Unvote
Vote: SSK

[Sakura Hana]

I'm also up for desp or SC, also i no longer think geists is scum.

[Sakura Hana]

The thing with SSK and BRO is that they came out of nowhere doing nothing except question my wagon in a very similar way. Which could be that my wagon was town motivated and scum wanted a safe way out of responsibility after my flip.

But then they could've easily hammered me and no one would've questioned it.

Ugh this is giving me bad vibes.

[Sakura Hana]

Desp is another good wagon methnks.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, I feel rejected. You don't ask a guy out and then forget all about it in the middle of our date! Anyways, you haven't gotten back to me on what about my play bugged you that was original and not addressed before.

It was... well I dont remember exactly on who, but you kind of weren't pushing someone because you had no scumreads, then suddenly you got scumreads despite having a lot of nulls to do PoE.

Also, I know you sometimes tend to self-vote or ask for your lynch as both town and scum. Can you provide me with links to games in which you did this? As many of each would do. 5-6 of each would be a pretty good sample.

Ok let me see if i can find them:

Town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5017856 First time I Self-Voted as town, not much AtE in here tho.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5091276 Self-Hammer.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5072732 Not sure if this counts as AtE but was quite apologetic.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5140309 First time meeting Cabd whose tunneling lead me into a breakdown then Self-Hammer.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5156654 The Blacklist Tell Nacho's talking about.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5222069 The infamous Xenologue, where everyone incl. Nacho and Mara read me so wrong I Self-Hammered out of frustration.

Scum

?
While looking through my own games I realize I don't remember when I've done AtE as scum (considering any AtE in there would be fake it's hard to remember games and how i felt)

[Sakura Hana]

I can provide links were i self-vote as scum, i cant remember where I asked to be lynched or AtE'd as I dont remember any of those =/
Glad if you can provide them tho

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: SC

[Sakura Hana]

I guess I need to re-evaluate my reads, I was p.certain Varsoon was scum =/

[Sakura Hana]

so now that you are here for another day phase hans please give your vurrent reads on the remaining players.

need to re-evaluate my reads

So until I do that and since I get a 5 day or so vacation from work starting at noon, I should have some time to have something ready by tomorrow (it's a pretty long read)

[Sakura Hana]

Have you no thoughts on your wagon and the manner people left it?

I do actually, but I have more pressing concerns on both the people joining and leaving my wagon as well as the way some people joined SC's wagon.
Two of the main people I want to have a re-evaluation on are DOMO and pieguy.

[Sakura Hana]

I think the 3 main people that wanted SC dead all day long was me, GiF/Nero and Ceph.

Generic, why trust so much my whatever-tell and make remarks on "If it wasn't for that tell etc." When we haven't played together near as long enough for you to know me well enough wrt to it?

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: Desperado

Vote has no relation with what DOMO just said, but i find it odd that he was super convinced I was scum yesterday and stopped the push today.

[Sakura Hana]

Apologies for not being around due to new years and stuff, but Desp why haven't you answered what i asked in the post I voted you?
Also happy birthday!

[Sakura Hana]

there's a question to answer here?

I find it even weirder that you got no comment on that, I thought I worded it as a question, but still I'd expect you to come and answer to the reason i was voting you for.

[Sakura Hana]

If the answer is self evident how come you still havent answered it because it's obvious i dont get the idea.

[Sakura Hana]

does it look like i could get you lynched right now?

And why does that stop you?

[Sakura Hana]

I don't like the way the Arthur wagon looks...

And what are you doing about it?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh btw,
Happy new year everyone!

[Sakura Hana]

I thought I had posted then i realized I hadn't even read the last couple of pages.

[Sakura Hana]

unvote
vote: casso

omgus is a hell of a drug

and my d1 scumteam nightmares are looking more realistic by the day

that is problematic

I don't like neither of these posts. First one looks like an opportunistic OMGUS, Second one I thought I was your scumread D1?...

[Sakura Hana]

Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.

Yet he protected them last night...

Ugh can't decide between desp and SSK now...

[Sakura Hana]

meh

Unvote
Vote: SSK

[Sakura Hana]

Hi Bert

[Sakura Hana]

I do not like this lynch.

I do not like it either. But as i said... meh.

[Sakura Hana]

Prod dodge or something.

[Sakura Hana]

ftr, i think both SSK and Desp are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

fwiw if Casso is town then SAD is scum

also, if Tammy is good at reading casso that might explain the tammy kill 0.0

tammy is good at reading 75% of this playerlist.

we all benefitted from her death.

Unvote
Vote: Desp

[Sakura Hana]

at least domo attempted to suggest what i might have meant (thus opening himself up to egg on face once i clarified what should have been obvious). sakura just bolded it in an emphatic statement of my guilt and it was really lame and scummy

So you would have rather me copy what DOMO said? I had said reaction while reading, yet he already mentioned it, I felt no need to repeat what you should've known and the reason I bolded it should've been obvious to anyone reading.

[Sakura Hana]

You're digging your own holes, busserbunny

That doesn't look like he's busing and his play looks pretty different from marketplace.