NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Empire]

Day 1, Votecount 62

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (6)

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BROseidon, Ser Arthur Dayne, DOMO, MC Maraca, Casso the King of Seals, Bert

Stuffed Crust (5)

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Cephrir, Desperado, Sakura Hana, KoreanBBQ, geists

Casso the King of Seals (3)

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zMuffinMan, goodmorning, pieguyn

MC Maraca (1)

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Tammy

goodmorning (1)

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Norlkaz

MafiaSSK (1)

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Generic

Not Voting (3)

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MafiaSSK, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Stuffed Crust

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch! Deadline is on December 26th at 3:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2013-12-26 16:44:27)

Mod Notes

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Varsoon head of Stuffed Crust V/LA until January 25th. Tammy is V/LA until the 23rd. F-16_Fighting_Falcon is V/LA until the 31st. goodmorning is V/LA until the 26th. DOMO is V/LA until the 27th. Generic is V/LA until the 26th.

[Bert]

@Ffery/Nat: Are you actually reading SC as scum, or are you doing this just to prevent another wagon's lynch (F16 maybe?)?

Also, why did you give up on Sakura-vote so quickly

[Sakura Hana]

>Gets back into this game
>Lays down scumreads with reasons on 3 people
>Asks people to lynch the 3 while voting the one with the highest ammount of votes
>People move to someone completely different outside of the 3.
>My face when...

[KoreanBBQ]

But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?

I really really really hate this.

But he's town though

probs but its still a really dumb statement.

[geists]

My gut is screaming that you're wrong about her. Except for one thing. She's got a sort of a triumphant "I found the scum" air to some of her posts that smacks of townish confirmation bias.

Oh also that her wagon was attempting to form with all the major wagons makes me think even more that she's town this game.

So you're thinking Nacho-scum?

[KoreanBBQ]

My gut is screaming that you're wrong about her. Except for one thing. She's got a sort of a triumphant "I found the scum" air to some of her posts that smacks of townish confirmation bias.

Oh also that her wagon was attempting to form with all the major wagons makes me think even more that she's town this game.

So you're thinking Nacho-scum?

Cut to the point, I'm not reading him nor sorting him today.

[MC Maraca]

NO NACHO ISN'T SCUM

[Sakura Hana]

NO NACHO ISN'T SCUM

What makes you so sure?

[geists]

@Ffery/Nat: Are you actually reading SC as scum, or are you doing this just to prevent another wagon's lynch (F16 maybe?)?

I'm struggling with whose read to trust re Mac - GiF or Nacho. Though I have some personal niggles about Mac of my own, it's hard to quantify.

Also, why did you give up on Sakura-vote so quickly

Because it looks like the best I could do is split some votes off. I'm townreading F-16 and I absolutely hate the wagon. I think Mara's really, really wrong here, though I understand why his taking Tammy's side so strongly and basically demonizing Mara for the push looks scummy from her vantage point.

[Bert]

Finally looked at some of Ceph's posts. My memory's blurry, but he/she is posting like how people post when they are out to prove themselves (confidence, assertiveness, indignance almost?). A very different style than Hard Boiled, that or my memory is failing

[MC Maraca]

AND NEITHER IS VARSOON

Pedit: Thor's never been this freaking town, ever.

Nacho's thoughts are super freaking transparent

I can never see where Nacho is going with this stuff when he's scum, I can see them now. I know what he's thinking, and his explanations are AHMAYZING

how he's defending his reads, how he is forming his reads is just so good that I would feel completely safe in his embrace

like, no joke.

[MC Maraca]

and

(dare I say it)

Thor is looking a little cuddly, too

[geists]

My gut is screaming that you're wrong about her. Except for one thing. She's got a sort of a triumphant "I found the scum" air to some of her posts that smacks of townish confirmation bias.

Oh also that her wagon was attempting to form with all the major wagons makes me think even more that she's town this game.

So you're thinking Nacho-scum?

Cut to the point, I'm not reading him nor sorting him today.

I've worked my way around to tentative town, and I'm comfortable enough to take his reads seriously. This feels like NY 164 to me in some ways. I was working with him on putting wagons together before I had a solid read mentally, but my gut had decided he was town.

You guys not agreeing on Mac makes me queasy, but I feel more strongly that you're town atm.

[Bert]

I really really really hate this.

I've been in quite a few games with Falcon, and I've seen three total other people vote Falcon at any point.

JasonWazza-confscum in LYLO 1415
Telo in 3p LYLO
Brian Skies - Mentor Mentee - who had never played with Falcon before, and it was a very OMGUS-y vote.

It may look dumb, but that is what I was thinking. I am yielding to what others are saying is perceived scumminess, that which I am apparently blind to in this game coming from Falcon.

[Sakura Hana]

Thor's never been this freaking town, ever.

He was more town in the game where i was his partner and i was scumreading him before replacing in.

[quote="In post 3185Nacho's thoughts are super freaking transparent[/quote]
No they are not, they feel faked, he keeps saying he wants to sort me then just leaves and forgets, his "sorting" of SC looks like an easy handout of a townread, and considering you've fooled him as scum you should know that it isn't something easy to do.

[Sakura Hana]

dem fail quote tags

[MC Maraca]

I wish Empire had made this pluralityish, too :/

[Bert]

^Telo's vote was for "other person was not online to make the NK, so thus Falcon is scum" - that game, Falcon was actually scum.

Add to that, that Falcon is no stranger to many players here. Which makes all the added attention very concerning, from a guy who is townreading him.

[MC Maraca]

Pedit:

are you really going to make me Iso them and pick out what it is that seems super, duper genuine?

[Sakura Hana]

Sure go ahead, doubt it'll change my mind tho, as I've just given a quick re-read of their ISO and i sitll find nothing genuine.

[MC Maraca]

Can you not be a sarcastic mofo for once?

Can you not just lynch a player around Page 70 or something?
Yes, i can certainly be non-sarcastic, but this game is literally going no where while bloating under its own useless weight. I don't know about you, but by this stage I've read less than half the posts in the game and I'm pretty sure I've still had more and more clearly presented thoughts than most of the other players here. Heck, about a third of us *continue* to be unable to even place votes.

So I don't care. I just really don't. Let's get some flips, get some night actions, and then blow into tomorrow with info and a mountain of back interactions to look at - Day 1 has done all that Day 1 is going to accomplish at this stage. It's actually already done it 2-3 times over, so let's just move on.

And a Nacho/Thor, 2 ppl whom i think would easily pick up scum defending Varsoon then going for last minute bus.

Because...that's *anything* like how I play? Can you show even one example of such play from me?

VOTE: giests

GET OFF THIS DERP VANITY WAGON AND KEEP YOUR VOTE IN PLAY YOU FEEB!

I'll also accept any explanation of what Stuffed did to look more town.
Because otherwise it is beyond fail that you just unvoted.

P-Edit: Nothing. My vote's moving back there eventually but this looks fun.

Do you even lift?

"Yup, my vote is going back where it was, and no reads changed, and this game is 20809237 pages long but...HUUUUUR, random non-pressure, non-reaction, non-point wagon, Ho!!!!!"

@Nacho/Thor: I have never played against Scum Nacho, but i dont remember Nacho ever handing out easy townreads like that, and i'd also expect him to be harsher on the lukers. Thor I was once a partner of his in a scumgame but i replaced in and my predecessor was obvtown so i don't really know whether he'd do that as scum, but I'm not ruling it out.

So...you actually have no idea what our scum play looks like, and (shock) are avancing a theory that doesn't even make sense with how Thor plays scum, and, for that matter, seems to barely grasp how Nacho plays as either alignment.
I don't know why Nacho was voting you earlier but I'll go ahead and endorse it now.

Sarcasm isn't going to help with anything, though

VOTE: F16

You can be town now, just because.
Also, sarcasm can't possibly do worse than the last 210398 pages of "not sarcasm" can it? What will I do, cause a terrible rift, divide town, and prevent them from reaching lynch consensus? Oh no, ANYTHING but that!

Still, I really do like that vote, it's at least game state advancing.

Pedit: why don't you all lynch F-16

Unvote: Stuffed Crust
Vote: F-16

Done.
I don't even have a case on him. I don't care.

Nope. I ain't lynching no one other than SC

Your play here is beyond brilliant.

@Thor: And here i thought you were starting to agree with nacho's vote on me?

I do.

But...if you noticed that I advocated Nacho's read of you, which *suggests* you're reading my posts, then you might (you just might...if you squint) have noticed an *additional* concept I have maybe...y'know, mentioned off-hand once in passing. It goes something like this; I AM WILLING TO LYNCH ANYONE BECAUSE I AM SICK OF THIS GAME, THIS PLAY, AND THIS DAY.

Did you notice that thought? I might be able to round up a quote for you if you haven't - but you should probably advance a really weak slappy-dappy whine post about me not voting you because everyone will buy that as a town reaction and scumhunting.

these posts for a start

[KoreanBBQ]

Aren't those thor's posts?

[geists]

I really really really hate this.

I've been in quite a few games with Falcon, and I've seen three total other people vote Falcon at any point.

JasonWazza-confscum in LYLO 1415
Telo in 3p LYLO
Brian Skies - Mentor Mentee - who had never played with Falcon before, and it was a very OMGUS-y vote.

It may look dumb, but that is what I was thinking. I am yielding to what others are saying is perceived scumminess, that which I am apparently blind to in this game coming from Falcon.

Are you ignoring this game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32520

It's the one I mentioned earlier, where he was getting scum-read for defending his town reads.

[Sakura Hana]

I've seen Thor use that tone as Scum, so?

[Bert]

Whomever said something last night about SC and Muffin lynches not giving as much info as others would, whomever said that is partially right and sounds townie. I can't remember who said that though :/

Muffin is very much meh and stuck in null land, and the problem is I don't see that changing. Problem is also that he makes an easy mislynch at one point or other too. So problems sorta cancel out sorta, leaving a very frustrating dilemma later on. IDK about SC, I just looked back, and Varsoon's tone just annoys me and I don't even know why, which clouds my ability to read them well.