NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

If I wasn't in this with Mac, I'd just quote my role pm, get a ban, and shut your smug mouth.

No need to do that, you'll flip soon.

[MC Maraca]

Go get your goddamn pizza or whatever and give us a reads list.

[Stuffed Crust]

WELL I'M NOT DOING IT, AM I?

[Stuffed Crust]

And I'll post my big dumb reads list.
You guys are no fun. :/

[MC Maraca]

Mafia is srs bsns in a player list like this. Step up or go home, son.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

On the other, DOMO feels really genuine in response.

Gurl lookit dat 180

Why is this suspicious? StuffedCrust's last few posts feel pretty townish to me including the 180. Why are scum more likely to do 180s? Is there anything about this particular 180 you found more likely to come from town than scum?

It was really sudden for me. Plus he suddenly gave me a pass too for no reason. idgi

But why is there scum motivation in making sudden 180s? I feel that town are likely to do it too. I've been accused as town more than once for having sudden, sometimes jarring switches in reads and been annoyed at having to explain them. It isn't something I find scummy at all though it looks scummy on the surface.

Why are scum more likely to do 180s? Is there anything about this particular 180 you found more likely to come from town than scum?

What? I've been barking at him how my switch on SSK is a null tell because town naturally should have doubt in their reads etc, and now he does it it's suddenly a town tell? jfc.

Your 1551 and 1557 seemed very townish to me. I think it is natural to suspect people who are townreading you but not defending you because it gives them towncred when you flip town. I find that paranoia townish and made me think you are town. The fact that Varsoon said it makes sense if you are town is comforting. The posts he quoted in 1605 were a little different than what I expected, but I still see it unlikely for scum to reverse their read on you. If SC was scum, why not continue pushing your wagon? It is a healthy sized wagon with plenty of votes. I also think town are more likely than scum to want to work with others.

[DOMO]

If SC was scum, why not continue pushing your wagon?

Maybe I'm grossly misreading the situation, but it felt like I was coming out on top in this domo vs varsoon war, I feel that my wagon was on the brink of collapse, and if varsoon feels this way too, then why not be the first to bail? After the whole discussion about me switching my vote being characteristic of town reacting to new info, it just seems highly convenient for him to do exactly that, and brush it off by saying exactly what I was saying earlier when he was scumreading me.

[Stuffed Crust]

I stole this from a guy.

Town:

Generic- Purty town.
Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - I'm town.
MafiaSSK - Has dropped off the face of the planet. Town due to wagon interaction (his wagon feels scum-motivated, etc)
geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) - Super chill, strong-town read from Mac and I.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Coherent and stuff. Feels town. Isn't taking advantage of the latest wagons.
BROseidon - Strong town from Mac and I.
Cephrir - Don't like him. He's maybe town.
DOMO - Thought he was scum for awhile, but he feels pretty town now.

Meh:

roflcopter - Very meh, hasn't done anything worth noticing.
goodmorning - Occasionally gets pretty sassy, but feels less involved.
zMuffinMan- Isn't taking all the risks I usually associate with town-muffin. Dunno.
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Looking back at our QT, Mac's warming to the idea of Casso being town, but I think they're too carefully poised to be town. Scum-reading this, personally.

Not so Town:

pieguyn - reeks of the town pieguyn I remember, but his vote patterns are awkward.
Sakura Hana - Pretty scummy due to votes, interaction, lurkdom, etc.
MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - Feels scum. Hung up on the reads thing.
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - Has taken too much of a back seat. GiF hasn't danced with me yet. Probably scum.
Desperado - Lacks Desperation, reeks of scum-desp, weird voting patterns.

In this game?

Brian Skies - Who?
Tammy - Who the fuck is Tammy?
pitoli - wait, who?

My problem with MC Maraca's list is that it didn't shake up the status quo. It was milquetoast and read, to me, more like a reflection of the game so far and less like an independent reads-list.

[Stuffed Crust]

Mafia is srs bsns in a player list like this. Step up or go home, son.

b-b-but I am home and I'm not your son.


Anyway, I think I've shaken things up a good bit and exposed some scum.
I guess everyone'll ignore me after I die
And I'll feel like a shit.

-V

[MC Maraca]

Tammy - Who the fuck is Tammy?

Clearly you haven't read the same thread as the rest of us.

[Stuffed Crust]

I guess not.

[Stuffed Crust]

Reading Tammy's ISO, it's pretty meh-category.

[Stuffed Crust]

I'm going to food.

Haters, speedlynch me while I'm gone or something.

[MC Maraca]

Reading Tammy's ISO, it's pretty meh-category.

...

[Stuffed Crust]

What?

[Stuffed Crust]

You gonna just ellipses me?

[MC Maraca]

Nah I think I'm gonna ellipses you AND vote you.

[Stuffed Crust]

Why?

[Stuffed Crust]

My wagon is so scum motivated it is painful.

[geists]

It's like none of you have ever experienced a mafia epiphany.

[Stuffed Crust]

It's like none of you have ever experienced a mafia epiphany.

This happens in a lot of my games, to be honest.
I don't really give a damn about looking town, and so I end up doing some pretty absurd things.
Scum then magnifies my absurdity,
Town is dense enough to buy that sell,
and when I flip town, everyone can cross their arms and deny agency by saying "Oh well Varsoon is retarded and deserved it"

Every. Fucking. Time.

[Stuffed Crust]

Then, since if everyone agrees that I'm absurd/retarded/nonsense/whatever, then they can simultaneously ignore anything I've done all game, which is also super-convenient for scum, as I tend to actually catch scum early.

[Stuffed Crust]

Ultimately, it's a huge exercise in shitting collectively on me, and making me feel really miserable about myself.

[Stuffed Crust]

While simultaneously making me die early in games/lose.

It hits me on several levels.

[Desperado]

EBWOP:
Add Sakura to the people I'm suspicious of.
If I had to make a scum-pool now, though?

Pieguyn,
Sakura,
Desperado,
Casso.

Feels right to me.

Vote: Stuffed Crust

what happened to you being sure that one of Korean/SSK was scum Varsoon?

you know who likes to create arbitrary dichotomies? scum.

what's weird about my voting pattern?

and you saying this reeks of scum-desp is seriously the fucking dumbest thing you have ever said. justify it