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Llamarble Post 22 wrote:Whoever is scum chose to be, so:
Why did each of you choose this game / why should I believe you're town?
Who are your teammates?
I picked this game because I like playing mountainous, I have played two of these style games recently. Failed epically in one, did pretty well in the other. I like these games because it's just raw scum hunting and in my opinion a true test of your ability at this game.
Why should I believe you are town is a a filler question if ever I saw one. Poor. Also passing on the last question.
Llamarble, why did you post this “serious” vote and yet keep your RVS vote on yourself? I was under the impression you were a good player, what is your rationale for voting yourself and have you done it before?
Pie and DH copying Soico's RVS was really bizarre. I don't like it much. Klazam's vote is probably the worst of the bunch though. He also completely ignores the “super secret scum tell wagon” on Pie.
Equi defending Chris B outta the gates is also ick. What was the harm of letting him speak for himself?
Equinox Post 34 wrote:People on the mith wagon: Do you disagree with me and Thor665? Who what when where and why?
What's to disagree with here? You guys didn't give a reason yet.
Damn Equi.... What's with the pole up your ass? I don't think I have ever seen you so up tight. This doesn't give me good vibes at all.
I get the feeling that the Pie wagon was built off BS by Equi in an attempt to start a relatively serious wagon early. If this is the case I want to see her reads of the people who joined her, the people who didn't and the people who out right ignored it. If it'snotthe case and there actually was a scum tell that Pie posted in the confirmation stage I want to hear it. I pretty much agreed with Llama in that I had no clue what you were doing and so just surmised there wasn't anything and it was all for REACTIONS. Either way the jig is up since you're not voting him anymore.
Socio is town. I want to say Llama is town as well but I'm going to hold off on that for a moment. Really hate Pie's defeatist attitude in this thing so far. Equi is a mystery I wanna figure out ASAP.
Marble is scum.
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DrippingGoofball Post 115 wrote:Sotty7 wrote:Socio is town.
He's not. A player that jokes THREE TIMES that he's scum, is scum. In his brain, he is very nervous about the necessity to be deceptive, and he is releasing this tension by "jokingly" telling the truth.
So Sociopath is scum.
One down, two to go.
Okay, I'll review, I'll admit to power reading the game so I don't remember him doing this three different times. I do like seeing players claim scum in thread though. In turn, you should review your Equi town read cause she pretty much just outted herself as scum in 116. Contesting your town read of her is one of many bad bad things she posted.
Equinox Post 116 wrote:Sotty7, I'm going to say the same thing to you that I said to LlamaFluff; if you didn't get it, sorry, you ain't getting it. I can't get any more specific without risking modkill. You know. That's probably getting too close. Bleh. Dun kill me plz.
Weak, weak, weak. If it wasn't a scum tell you could talk about, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T MENTION IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Why? Because it gives scum perfect excuse to semi seriously wagon someone for top secret reasons. Now I have no clue if your push on Pie was legit or what, all I have is you talking down to people “who don't get it” and you now completely ignoring the info generated from your “gambit”.
That's one thing I am starting to loath about Team Mafia already. Lolteammetacan'ttalkaboutitLol
Equinox Post 116 wrote:DrippingGoofball is probably scum. Hai Goofball. No, I'm not obvtown, sorry.
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Equinox Post 116 wrote:Ah, right. Sotty7, Ididwait for him to post; his post and my evidence connected pretty strongly, so yeah, he's tooooown.
lolwut. No you didn't. But that does remind me Post 80 is extremely gloatly.
Equinox Post 116 wrote:I disagree with a lot of post 112. Let's start with... the stuff about me because the other stuff will take up time and that's something I need moar of right now. So, first off, I have been giving reads as I've been getting them with as much rationale as I could reasonably provide, so don't give me crap about that.
I wasn't riding you about giving no reads, I said you were up tight and you are. This does not resemble anything like Equitown I have seen before. Normally you roll your sleeves up and get down to business to busting heads. In this game you have been abrasive, condescending and extremely OTT. Why?
Chris B Post 118 wrote:Now, with regards to Sotty's point - I don't think Equi was defending me, as much as making a big deal about identifying a team.
I actually don't think she was defending you either. The gloating was too rich and natural for that.
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Llamarble Post 121 wrote:Sotty7 wrote:
Why should I believe you are town is a a filler question if ever I saw one. Poor. Also passing on the last question.
It's not filler because people chose their own roles and making people talk about how they made their choice has potential to be revealing.
What was revealing about Mith's answer? Actually, talk me though everyone's answer and what impression it gave you of them.
Llamarble Post 121 wrote:I thought I'd wagon myself to spur discussion. I haven't done it before.
And why does this bother you now as opposed to right after I did it?
I simply didn't really contemplate moving my vote when I posted my meta-thoughts.
Everyone ignored you. What does that tell you? Also did you realize that I hadn't posted until just a minute ago? I was away most of Sunday night prepping for an interview I had today which is why I was delayed to the game after my RVS.
The fact that you made a serious post while keeping a ridiculous vote on yourself suggests to me a disconnect. You followed this up with your first serious vote being a sheep of the Equi/Thor push on Pie. Yeah, I wasn't impressed.
Llamarble Post 121 wrote:You don't like Klazam & I think he's scum too. So why am I scum again? Your thought process feels incongruous.
Walk me though this cause I'm not getting it.
Llamarble Post 121 wrote:"I noticed a supersecretmetatell" is a weird BS thing to make up, but yeah if it was BS, it was townish BS (except she's stuck to it and Thor apparently also found it). Also you're complaining about Equinox complaining about the wagon you just finished complaining about. Again I am seeing 'this is something I can jab at' instead of coherenttownperspective.
This is a lot of empty words of nothing. Why is it townies BS? As for the complaining deal what are you talking about?
Lots of jibberish topped off with an OMGUS vote? Loving my vote even more now.-
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I don't want you lynched Pie. I think you are likely town at this point.
Klazam's post 133 is giving me some town vibes as well, reads like newbtown trying to get a foot in the game. Offering up a list of reads out of the blue like that is good, but the fact "everyone else is null" is pretty poor. Reads very natural though.-
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I have no issue with marable's question on why did you pick this game, but his "why are you town?" question is utter crap. That's the question that underpins every post that is made in a mafia game, coming out and directly asking it defeats the purpose imo. Also, what answer do you expect to get from that question, that is in anyway informative? Mith's "I'm town because I was assigned town" is a perfect example of my that question is bunk. It's filler.
I wouldn't go as far as saying Klazam is town, I got some pings from him when I read the thread. However, post 133 just feels really genuine to me. It's only one post though.
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DH, can you put the names of the people you're quoting in the quotes please? It's even more important when you make big posts like 150. It feels like you're talking to yourself almost.
Llamarble Post 164 wrote:Response to Sotty 139:
Sotty7 wrote: Actually, talk me though everyone's answer and what impression it gave you of them.
Ugh, I'm too tired. Anyway, I mentioned here that most of the answers weren't ultrahelpful by themselves especially because people wouldn't teamclaim.
Okay, I can give you this when coupled with a team claim. Did anyone's answers to this question give you anything to work with? Or is it all bunk now because of the lack of team claiming?
When I first saw your self vote I rolled my eyes and ignored it because it is one of the least helpful things that can happen in RVS. The joke was also bad. When you later made a serious post without moving your vote it made the self vote look even worse and really grated on me.
FOSing is about as helpful as the self vote. Why didn't you vote someone with a strong scum game? It would have been 100000% more helpful than leaving your vote on yourself. The FOS suggests a weak attempt to throw early game dirt on these people cheaply. Even more so when you didn't back it up and keep your joke vote active. Then instead of following up on anything in this post, you chose to sheep Thor and Equi over nothing. This does not smell like logical town thought progression to me.
Llamarble Post 164 wrote:Basically you thought I was scum who was voting for someone you found scummy (Klazam).
Scum can't bus? Also at this point my scum reads aren't connected, I had found you and Klazam independently scummy. This is a bad attempt to discredit me.
Llamarble Post 164 wrote:You said you disliked most of the votes on the Mith wagon.
Then you say you dislike Equinox for confronting people on the Mith wagon as to why they picked that wagon over IP's.
Confronting people on the Mith wagon is absolutely reasonable if you dislike the votes on it, so you calling Eq out for it feels jabby and nontownsensical.
Did you even read the reasons?
Mith's wagon had a lot of parroting. That always makes me cringe.
Equi asked people to disagree with her wagon or join it, yet hadn't provided ANYTHING to disagree with.
What's the problem here? Both of these things are bad.
Llamarble Post 164 wrote:And using BS to push an early RVS wagon seems pro-town to me; the point of that stage of the game is to get things moving for read-generation.
When I see somebody doing something I think is pro-town, I don't typically go 'deliver yo reads immediately.'
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Something quick as I am going to lunch:
Llamarble Post 179 wrote:Again, Equinox didn't like the parroting on the Mith wagon either, and was trying to interact with its members.
If I were Sottytown and didn't like the parroting, I'd have liked Equinox for wavelengthsharing on disliking the Mith wagon parroting.
Llamarble Post 164 wrote:"WHY DIDN'T HE X" is easy scumpainting logic because it is readily wielded against townies and sounds logically sound.
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Equi is right in that I haven't been able to read her successfully yet. Well unless you count MoCo but I wasn't directly playing there. It was because of this I was willing to admit I might be wrong about her when I was talking with Thor. I have downgraded her because of this plus 197 actually makes me feel quite a bit better about her now.
The appearance of a marble wagon is giving me the warm and fuzzies.
I need to read Socio's case on DGB in depth as well as an ISO of DH. Both things I have skimmed which isn't enough to form an opinion.-
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Equi and Klazam are two posters that have improved significantly. I like that.
I am still having a hard time digesting this DH/Mith back and forth, am I the only one? Makes me think it is scum clouded, but I need to figure out which one of them is responsible for that. Gut says DH, but we'll see how that goes when I read it all again.
Pie is probably right in that I have tunneled a little on Marble and Equi, I can accept that.
LLamaFluff/Sevei/mith/DemonHybrid/Socio/DGB. I think there is two scum in there somewhere. Gotta dig them out.-
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Aaaaaaactually you said:
InflatablePie wrote:Sotty... the voices are telling me he may be scum, but he's flown under the radar for me, much like Thor.He's also stuck on Llamarble since his third post (the more you know). Upon a quick ISO, he's actually trying to scumhunt. I disagree with his earlier attacks on Equi, but other than that he's put in effort and his posts read genuine
This implies tunneling.
You do give me credit for scum hunting. But you mentioned my vote in a negative manner.-
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Okay, so I have spent some time catching up with the whole DH/Fluff/mith deal and I find myself siding with the latter two in the argument.
Post 55 is a big crux of why I am finding DH scummy. I realize this has talked about a lot recently by these three players, but I think DH was trying to appease LlamaFluff slightly with his “Equi could be scum” spiel. I don't buy his explanation of “anyone could be scum” it just feels like he put that statement in there to soften the blow of him attacking Llamafluff over meta. Even more so with his reaction when Llamafluff asks him wagon Equi with him. "What? No I don't think she's scum!"
The FOS followed by a vote on Llamafluff for “twisting” is pretty poorly reasoned and a stretch. I don't like it.
DH then gets into it with both Pie and Mith after this and pretty much does nothing with his Llamafluff vote. I'm reluctant to say he isn't scum hunting because the game has barely started, but that's exactly what it feels like. He's hiding away in his defense mode and not commenting on anything else, or if he does it is in passing.
His unvote is null. Town or scum would unvote there when the reasoning for the vote has been debunked as a mistake. I really want to see what his re-read reveals because I like him a lot as scum right now.-
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Thor665 Post 263 wrote:I don't really like the Sotty or DH votes, can those wagons die please?
Putting DGB to L-1 yesterday would have been tech. Putting her on it today should at least get other people to comment on the wagon more, so it's at least partly tech.
Mod: Pretty sure Marble unvoted me a page or so back.
I do agree that Mith's vote could be doing something better at this point. He has voiced suspicion of both Llamarble and DGB now, I'd like to see a move to either one.
I had forgotten about DGB's V/LA which sucks because now the power wagon lags as we wait for her to come back. Not cool.
Thor665 Post 267 wrote:Oh, and happy day of womb escapage Shotty...this thread needs more Shotty
I was starting to worry you might have gone against all I know and picked a scum role in this game Thor. But Marble's vote on you is so poor I'm slightly eased by the sight of it. Still, who are your top reads atm? I see a lot of Mith pressure but not a lot of actual statements about his alignment.
As for my impression on mith I think he has been less than impressive so far. I don't know if that's because he got stuck in the DH back and forth or if he is really scum. I still think DGB/marble/DH are much scummier than him however.-
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Just waking up and checking in. Gut says a DH or Llamarble vote wins this for us today but I need to read over DGB again to see if that has a basis in fact. I do know I want to lynch off wagon today mostly because I like a lot of the people that lynched DGB.
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From poking around in DGB's ISO I'm feeling ThorTown and ChrisBTown. I'm having extreme paranoia gut twangs with the whole Equi fighting with DGB's town read of her. I also just realized that DGB only mentions DH twice in her ISO. Once was a direct reply to him for why she hadn't posted and the other was to list him in a early scum list of hers. Strange.
I like Pie's 384 a lot actually and out of respect I won't be voting marble, at least right now. I would still like to know where his suspicion of me suddenly went. But yeah, downgraded for now.
InflatablePie Post 384 wrote:In short, the pool of lynchees is narrowed down to: Thor, Sotty, mith, Sevei, ChrisB, LlamaFluff, and DH - just under a 30% chance if we randomly picked a player.
Out of this list the only two I would really like to lynch are DH and Llamafluff. Sevei a distant 3rd.
I would also like to contest your town read of Klazam because of the VC's. I don't think it is unusual for scum to jump on to wagons in that manner, even more considering Klazam would be newbscum. I'm just finding his push on Socio and convenient (?) V/LA to be a little suspect. It has downgraded my fledging town read of him that developed yesterday.
DH gets a lot of negative points for turning up today and going right back into bickering with mith. I'd like some reads from you at the very least, some content would also be nice.
DH/Klazam/Llamafluff are my top picks for scum right now. I tempted to give everyone on the DGB wagon a pass for today.
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I seem to be the only one who doesn't think that scum would bus fashion Sevei did, am I missing something here? The wagon was at it's tipping point and I could see it being derailed, even more with DGB on V/LA. If DGB had flipped town that was a scummy looking hammer, I'm just having a hard time trying to figure how it works in reverse.
Thor, I've never played with Sevei before.
Pie, DGB is high on VCA's so if anyone here can manipulate the counts, it's her. I don't like clearing people just on vote counts.
And yeah, what Mith said. I'd also like to know why Llamafluff doesn't think we can (myself and marble) flip town. Seems like a chain lynch link there for no reason.
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I think everyone has been calling lots of people obv town since DGB's lynch. Fluff doing it isn't wetting my appetite for him being town, scum have a little choice to blend in. I just can't let go of his DGB defending. In the white flag set up, I really doubt scum would want to bus.
As for Sevei I'm just really not seeing it. She hasn't done a lot of protown stuff this game either so I'm not going to fight the lynch, but eh. I could be projecting my own belefs onto her RE: the bussing. I just really think DH is a much better lynch this game, by far.-
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Thor665 Post 454 wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:I'm not sure whether Thor hit his head and got amnesia, or whether he is scum.
Why did you forget the case on me when you agreed with it pages ago? It didn't exactly change.
Yes, those are the only possible reasons I asked Sotty what the case on you was.
Proceed.
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DemonHybrid Post 459 wrote:Really, sotty? That was completely clear to you and can't see how that can mean "Wait, what was the case on DH again? I forgot and I need a reminder"?
When you read his question in the context of our conversation it was pretty obvious that he wanted me to explain the DH case in my own words. It looked like you saw something as a slip, when it wasn't, and proceeded to jump all over it.
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DemonHybrid Post 469 wrote:@Sotty: You guys were talking about Sevei. You mentioned me and then he asked what the case was with me. I had to double-take and ask to make sure. That's really all there is to it. Notice when Thor answered, I let it go and he let it go.
Fair enough.
DemonHybrid Post 472 wrote:Also, Sotty, I'm waiting for Sevei's scum meta. I need to do a bit of research; Sevei says she's a bad scum player and I'd like to apply that to this game.
This isn't fair enough. This is just pure lazy. I've never seen you sit back and wait like this, but then I don't think I have ever seen you as scum before.
InflatablePie Post 482 wrote:
Just a friendly reminder that, as a town,if we can narrow down possible scum to 5 or less people, we win.
Sotty7
Klazam
mith
DemonHybrid
Llamarble
LLamaFluff
Sevei
^so if we can all agree on the two most likely town in this group (because the other players seem to be unanimous townreads) we can just chain-lynch from there.
My vote for the two most likely town from this group are mith and Sevei.
Klazam– What's your thoughts on Llamafluff's defense of DGB?
Llama's 503 is weak. I hate the bussing argument so much... So much so much. It's even more silly when I voted scum while he didn't. I'm not going to defend my choice to help pressure DGB and eventually lynch her. Still I am agreeing with Pie in that we're in a pretty sweet position right now. I'm willing to be lynched today as long as DH/Fluff go next. I'm reasonably confident lynching one of these two wins us the game.
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LlamaFluff Post 524 wrote:Sotty7 wrote:Llama's 503 is weak. I hate the bussing argument so much... So much so much. It's even more silly when I voted scum while he didn't. I'm not going to defend my choice to help pressure DGB and eventually lynch her. Still I am agreeing with Pie in that we're in a pretty sweet position right now. I'm willing to be lynched today as long as DH/Fluff go next. I'm reasonably confident lynching one of these two wins us the game.
This is sort of cutting out key parts of what I said...
Nope.
Your case cut down is that I bussed DGB right? In a set up where bussing is a sub optimal play, you want to say that I voted her after I had laid ground work else where. That I thenkeptmy vote on her when, if I was scum, I had a good couple of reasons to bail off her and given her breathing room. Yeah, it's weak.
The rest is you fluffing it up to look better than it actually is. Trying to distract people from the obvious. It's funny how you're only bringing this up after trapping yourself in and saying it's 50/50 between myself and Marble.
I want to lynch off the DGB wagon for reasons I have stated several times. Bussing your scum buddy to a lynch on DAY ONE of a white flag game is terrible scum play. I find most of the people on the DGB wagon to be townie outside of their presence on that wagon anyway. Sevei is getting a pass because she hammered. It's that simple. I'm giving people on the DGB a pass for the day, I don't care if you don't like that because I was on that wagon. I'm not trying to tell everyone else to do the same.
I only have four lynch candidates for today. In order
DH
Amrun (Klazam replacing out and Amrun taking his place makes me much more suspicious of this slot)
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Oh hohoho... There it is.
I said I would get to it and I will. Chill. Plus did you miss the part of the day where I have been saying Klazam is a good lynch today? Just because you come in all guns blazing doesn't mean I'm going to clear you. I'm currently working on one other game before coming back here. Expect it in the next hour or so.-
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Okay Amrun, I initially didn't like your mith vote when I first saw it. But reading you post I realize it isn't so terrible. You voice a lot of the problems I had with mith on day one up until I re-read his exchange with DH, we just came to different conclusions.
Is your read of DH tied in completely with your mith read? Same question about your Fluff read. What do you think of DH's complete lack of presence in this game? What do you think of Fluff defending DGB on day one?
After reading your posts 562 looks really out of place. You have me reasonably high on your list and yet imply that I'm only townish because of my interactions with marble. I don't like that back tracking much.
Other than that I liked your info dump almost enough to down grade you back behind Llamafluff.-
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DH has done nothing in this game. He spent most of day one bickering with mith over his lack of an Equinox read. He had his vote on Llamafluff but did little to push it after his initial exchange with him and instead became content to just sit on it.
I don't know if he ever really found mith all that scummy, he never moved his vote there even after unvoting Llamafluff for misunderstanding something.
On top of that he starts the day by once more nit picking mith over nothing. Is he scum or not? Seriously. I have asked DH to deliver his reads on the player list, a request that was denied because he was waiting Sevei's meta that was already in the thread.
DH has been lazy, has done zero scum hunting. DGB was on his early scum list for lurking as far as I can tell. But instead of helping the town lynch her, he was busy lurking and making posts like this
To top it all off, he is posting elsewhere on the site while ignoring this game. He needs to get in here and actually scum hunt if he's town. My experiences with townDH have been much more proactive than this. The more time passes with him point blank refusing to offer up content, the more confident I become of my scum read on him.-
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Lurking... Are you serious? You're going to have to explain that one.
How exactly am I supposed to be awesome when a lot of the town seem happy to lynch down a list order rather than scum hunt? I have pushed my case on DH and he still isn't doinganything. I have responded to accusations against me and been trying to find scum this whole game. I could just hold up a mirror and your accusations would hit more at home being aimed at you. Where's your scum hunting? Where's your awesome? I'm seeing a distinct lack of either.
Ridiculous... This ksdhflsuh game.
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Yeah nerves have been hit, you're voting me for a shit reason that is applied equally to yourself.
What wagon are we talking about here? DGB?there is scum on her wagon I'd say it's mith simply from PoE and because I liked a lot of what Amrun posted when she breezed into the game. Everyone else on the wagon is a strong to medium town read for me. Off wagon are where the scummy people are:If
Llamarble: Still not happy with his play from yesterday. Nothing he has done today has moved me much, but the VCA does make him look less likely scum at this point.
ChrisB: Sadly I agree with Equi that this guy is prob town still he's done Jack and shit all game.
LlamaFluff: Defends DGB yesterday and then claims today scum bussed her. Only votes me after backing himself into a corner and his case is poor. I don't necessarily find him scummy for the weak case, but for defending DGB, hell yeah.
DH: Mr Active lurker. Covered him.
Amrun: Klazam was scummy and I wish he had stuck around to answer questions before vanishing. Amrun is actually looking pretty good as a replacement though. Her mith vote is well reasoned and I can see where she is coming from. This slot is falling on my scum list.
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Chris B Post 613 wrote:My case on Sotty relies primarily on DrippingGoofball.
She gave scum reads on Sociopath (328) and Thor (319).
She gave town reads on Llamarble once, (post 183), Equinox once, (305) and Sotty7 THREE TIMES(post 166) (post 178) (post 183).
Would scum really try to clear town for no good reason?
Can't defend this.
Chris B Post 613 wrote:
The argument was made earlier that one scummy thing done by Dripping Goofball was to make the 'alt' argument against me. I agree with this.
On that note: Sotty's post 20:
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Alt detected.
Perhaps you should re-read the start of the game again?
I voted you and accused you of being an alt for two reasons. One, if you were an alt I wanted to pressure you into revealing your true account and two; if you were new to the site, jumping into a high profile game I wanted to get a read on you ASAP. This is backed up by me being annoyed that Equi jumped in and protected you right off the bat. I speicfically wantedyourreaction. But once I realized who you were and who's team you were on I realized you were prob town.
In the same breath, the difference between me and DGB in this situation is that once I realized you were a new player, I completely dropped the alt accusation. I don't mention it after my first vote on you. This is a big difference.
Chris B Post 613 wrote:With regards to Sotty7 being the fifth voter on DGB. I've never liked the argument that scum are more likely to bus on a certain number vote than another one. So I'm not comfortable wth the reverse either, and the fifth vote being the obviously town position. There's still time in there to climb down on a vote.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. No one has said that because I was the 5th voter I'm obvtown.
Chris B Post 613 wrote:On top of that, she's ignored posts of mine twice now. This post here isn't the first time I've pointed out that the 'alt detected' vote. Also, I've already addressed the scum daytalk thing.
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The first you just said that I also commented on you being a possible alt. You make no conclusions or ask me no questions, what am I supposed to say? And what's this rabble about day talk? I read the discussion and didn't see a need to comment on it, I was happy with your explaination.
If you want me to comment on something specific you should ask me. I can't read minds, though I wish I could.-
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Thor: My mith scum read is wholly dependent on yesterdays actions and is only something I would be happy to lynch on if we flip both DH and Fluff as town. His echoing of me though a lot of the game has gotten my back up, but once I re-read the DH/mith battle of words I just come away believing that DH is scum nitpicking on town mith.
Thor665 Post 619 wrote:I understand you seem to have your top scumreads off the wagon, but you're not addressing the likelihood of why we should look off the wagon. I'm of a pretty strong belief that at least one scum bussed. Besides mith's attempts I haven't seen anyone try to disabuse that notion, and though mith has laid out his reasons pretty well I, personally, suspect they are silly and wrong - possibly at the same time. You appear to just be looking at top suspects in a general sense as opposed to looking for connections pertaining to DGB or to her wagon, thoughts?
My DH read is dependent on a lot of factors, one of which being his lack of a presence in the thread as DGB went down
My Llamafluff read is dependent on him defending DGB
My Klazam read was hinged on his reaction to the sudden DGB wagon that popped up
So I'm not getting what you mean here when I'm not using DGB's wagon. I'm just not looking for bussers.-
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TheButtonmen wrote:D1VC11:
DGB (7): Socio, Thor, IP, Equinox, Sotty, mith, Sevei
Thor (2): Llamarble, DGB
Llamarble (1):, ChrisB
Sevei (1): LlamaFluff
Not Voting: DH, Klazam
With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.
I have looked at this final count so many times today and I'm still having a hard time seeing a busser. Even if there is a bus here, it's only likely to be one player and it's a player we don't need to lynch to win the game. Hence my focus off wagon.
When you break it down, 4/5 people off wagon are people I would lynch compared to 1/6 people on the wagon. And that 1 is way, way down on my list right now. It's not rocket science, it's just how may reads have fallen.-
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In any other game I might be willing to entertain it. In this game, not so much, I think it is bunk.
But even if we weren't in a White flag game I wouldn't auto suspect a bus because of how Goof's wagon formed and the people on it. I get good feelings from them. I think the meta of this site makes people extremely paranoid about potential bussers and instead of objectively looking for scummy behavior. Bussing is the first thing considered: "At least one scum bussed" is something you tend to always hear after a scum flip. I'm not sure just how often that ends up ringing true though.
All this coming from someone who has bussed as scum when it suited my needs and once even by accident. Bussing as scum is hard work, but knowing that you need to get town to mislynch 4 times in a row without being able to buss again and having to actively protect your buddy is a hard thing to swallow even for me.-
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Actually reading the exchange again I see Equi basically asked Amrun to explain the supposed misrep. Still, there was little need to make post 641 before Fluff had a chance to respond first.
Reading Llama's explanation I can see what he is saying even if I don't like the pairing theory. Amrun stepping in raises an eyebrow though.-
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Chris B Post 665 wrote:I suppose the question is somewhat obvious, but why should I remove this action and put it on someone else?
Because you're wrong. It's really that simple.
You say I make good points but you ignore them anyway. I used my RVS vote to figure out where you came from, “Alt detected” was a specific trigger phrase I threw out to push your buttons. Equi unhinged my plan and that annoyed me but her read was probably right and after she explained it so I completely dropped out out of my scum suspects.
If you are grouping me with DGB in that I was using your Alt status as a point against you why do I never mention it again after my first post? That doesn't fit your claim of me trying to lynch you or discredit you on that basis. DGB on the other hand kept bringing up your lurking and mentioning your townperson status though out the day.
I'm not guilty of that in the slightest. I realized you weren't an Alt and moved on. But this isn't necessary a town tell. I really think scum would have done the same, it's just that DGB didn't. Maybe she thought railing against an unlikely lynch would get her brownie points or that she was annoyed you were pseudo cleared, I don't know.
As for DGB calling me town, well yeah she did. Nothing I can do about that. At first she had down as scum though, but it became clear who had the mometum in the towns eye between myself and Marble she flipped. I'm not the only one she called town, does this tell apply to Equi for example? If you remember Equi and DGB fought over DGB town read of her. What do you think about that?
As for DGB not being a good player, I don't agree. While she plays an unorthodox style, she knows what she is doing. She is just as likely to have her buddies in her scum reads as her town ones. To be honest the only reason she was lynched on day one in this game was because she got caught a little by team meta. I don't think I have ever seen DGB get lynch on day one before.-
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