Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia

[Equinox]

EBWOP:

Unvote

[mith]

Hm.

I don't particularly like singersinger's entrance into the game - the confusion about how many scum are in the game and the whole role PM thing feels a bit staged.

On the other hand, I have a hard time believing DH saw a Sotty vote and that made him confused about the vote count... he's made mention of her "tunneling", so he knew where her vote had been placed.

Meh. Vote stands for now. Michelle is here, so I'm off for the night. If I get up early enough, I'll read through singersinger in depth and try to figure out whether I'm willing to lynch there - I felt pretty strongly that Sevei was town after the wagon formed there, but now I'm less sure.

[singersigner]

Let me rehash:

Well, if it's either Sevei or me, you know what my choice is going to be. I'd rather lynch mith over Sevei (or even Sotty), because I honestly don't see what everyone sees in her (or my teammates, I'm still waiting on that case). However, it would answer a TON of questions OR win the game for us.

Unvote, Vote: Sevei

. I would rather lynch mith a million times over, though. However, IP is right. I DID have early day suspicions on Sevei for her D1 play, and I don't know if I'm just being tricked by her interactions with DGB.

DemonHybrid's trying to lynch someone to save his own skin, NOT in lylo, rather than sticking to his convictions, AND using shitty reasoning to do it based off of someone

else

bringing it up.

So you see, DH, of course you're not taking your vote off of me because you're more concerned with your own well being than even playing the game.

Frankly, I just don't trust his motivations.

Preview Edit:
Equinox, if my team was really concerned with "who looks the towniest" versus "who actually has the time/effort to play another game," you might've been onto something; however, while you assume too much, I will take the back-handed compliment.
Preview Edit AGAIN:
@Mith...how do you feel about the fact that Amrun didn't receive her role PM either? To clarify, I wasn't confused about how many scum there were in the game, I just wasn't aware that we only needed to lynch two scum to win.

[InflatablePie]

the fuck happened here

I hate reading D:

[DemonHybrid]

Or, you aren't getting the point of "I'm confirmed town to me, and I'd rather lynch someone who's a town read and be wrong than to be lynched and flip town, like I know I will". That's as good as a town motivation as anything.

I don't trust YOUR motivations. Especially after you voted me for something that really wasn't the point at all; a side conversation that was completely implied. Do you expect me to self-vote as town?

[Amrun]

#1027 is terrible posting.

[DemonHybrid]

singer needs to be lynched. Her "Uh, you have to lynch two scum, and there's 3, or...uh what, what's white flag mean" post is so obviously fake. Her pressure has no backing behind it. She's not reading and taking anything from early game play either.

I retract my scum read on mith fully. Chris B is still shaky, but singer's now far ahead.

[Amrun]

I am now willing to vote singer. I could have been wrong about Sevei.

[InflatablePie]

Concerning Socio/DGB/myself/claiming scum thingy, I get why that's sketchy, but at the same time I don't.

I mean, it's much more smart to find reasons for scumminess from the actual player, than from a revealed scum's past interactions with them. Not saying that stuff like distancing/bussing should be ruled out completely, but it's really WIFOM-y and should never be used as pure basis for a case.

I can't defend myself over DGB not calling me out but calling Socio out for doing similar. I really can't. If you want to use that to beef up a case, fine, but Sotty, if you finish my re-read and that's all you have, I'm gonna laugh if you call me scum just based on that situation.

FoS Amrun

btw. Like I need to.

ALSO I WANT BLOOD AND I DON'T LIKE SINGER EITHER. I REALLY DON'T.

SOTTY IS BECOMING MORE AGGRESSIVE UNDER PRESSURE, AND UNLESS DH IS A MAGNIFICENT BASTARD AND DECIDED TO GAMBIT, HE'S TOWN. SINGER LOOKS MORE LIKE SCUM TRYING TO HOLD ON TO A DH LYNCH

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SINGER

KILL THE BEAST
CUT HER THROAT
SPILL HER BLOOD
KILL THE BEAST
CUT HER THROAT
SPILL HER BLOOD

[Equinox]

FOR EQUESTRIA

Vote: singersigner

L-1

[Amrun]

I want to hammer but I suppose I'll be good and wait for singer's (probable) final post(s).

[Equinox]

People not partnered with DemonHybrid: Chris B, mith, singersigner, Sotty7
People not partnered with LlamaFluff: InflatablePie, Sotty7, Thor665
People not partnered with Sotty7: Amrun, LlamaFluff, Thor665

These were taken from the more recent incarnations of these wagons, as I feel there was enough bloodlust to get a read off the wagons. I'm missing data on Llamarble, whose Wanted posters should be posted sometime soon. Chris B admitted to lurking this out, but his vote on DemonHybrid remained when there was talk of hammering him, so I feel good about putting him in that category.

I suspect this won't be very useful until later in the game if we even get to that stage.

If this game is still going tomorrow, keep this level of bloodlust. It's the best way to read these wagons. Getting to LyLo quickly as InflatablePie suggests could be a good idea as long as you guys don't pull this stunt where the game was lost because people were lynching too fast.

All right. An interesting thing I've noticed: mith wagon had 3 people on it -- Amrun, DemonHybrid, LlamaFluff -- yet somehow never gained traction as votes moved in favor of DemonHybrid (Chris B, Equinox, mith, Sotty7), LlamaFluff (Equinox, InflatablePie, Sotty7), and Sevei (DemonHybrid, Equinox, InflatablePie, LlamaFluff, Llamarble, Thor665). This would yield a lot more meaning if there was a handy list of people who were pro-mith and anti-mith along with their reasoning why, but I'm not feeling up to that right now.

...and that's your info dump for the evening.

[InflatablePie]

If this game is still going tomorrow, keep this level of bloodlust.

KILL THE BEAST CUT HER THROAT SPILL HER BLOOD

[Llamarble]

<3

Singer's contributions:
'my top scumread is the main alternative to my own lynch'
'DH is scum because he doesn't want to die'
(whee using accusations of self preservation to justify her own self preservative vote)
Uses Sevei's "scumread of DH" as part of her case against DH, but there is:

No mention of me even though I was Sevei's top scumread the whole game.

I have a lot of old reads but I'm not going to bother deepreading unless we don't win.

Sotty is town because she got off my wagon D1 to lynch DGB instead when she could easily have justified continuing to attack me based on her previous posting and possibly stopped a DGBlynch.

Also the 'crazy flashwagons' phase is going to do some awesome for sparsing-out the possible pairings network.

P.edit

@Equinox: Amrun and Sevei have been my longshot top scumreads most of day 2. I have gotten townvibes from basically everybody else, so I was not interested in any of those other wagons over Sevei. If I were scum I'd be trying to rule out as many pairings including me as possible anyway.

[singersigner]

This is why I hate wasting my time replacing into games when it was better for the town to just lynch this slot and not waste the banked time on town.

I'm a little burnt out to fight or respond to anyone right now so you might as well lynch me. But you should probably look at who's so quick to jump wagons before I go.

I'd hammer myself but now I'm paranoid that I'd get modkilled. >_>

Equinox is so totally town.
IP is...wtf is that entrance for the first time since I've been here...
DH, no I haven't been reading a whole because I'm a firm believe that raping every page when you replace into a game doesn't do much good when deadline approaches. You should know this about me as a fact.

[Chris B]

DIE, NEVERENDING DAY PHASE, DIE.

Unvote, Vote: Singersigner

Also, I have issues with the 'not understanding white flag' play. Really, nobody in her team would have explained that?

Yeah, just nothing about this play worked for me at all, including the fact that she came in and went straight for public enemy number one in DH, and cleared the most popular town-reads. I'd rather lynch DH or Sotty, but neverending day phase must die.

[singersigner]

I've never played white flag before, but did now there's now power roles. If you read our QT, you'll realize exactly how much my team talked.

But whatever, have fun tomorrow.

[singersigner]

I've never played white flag before, but did

know

there's

no

power roles. If you read our QT, you'll realize exactly how much my team talked.

But whatever, have fun tomorrow.

ftfm

I'm apparently dumb.

[Sotty7]

Guess I took too long to think. Not terribly upset over a singer lynch however, here's hoping for a game over.

[singersigner]

lol. What do you really think?

[DemonHybrid]

You could just tell us what your alignment is, and then we could discuss. Scumhunting doesn't have to stop at the hammer, provided the game still continues.

[singersigner]

Well everyone on my wagon clearly thinks I'm scum right?

[singersigner]

I honestly no longer feel any obligation to really catch up and help you in this game. How sad for you.

I will just say this, and stand by it just like I always have, look at my wagon, both on and off. Look at the reasons people are on it, as well as who very specifically stayed off it. Scum know they're latching on to poor excuses. Don't let them hide behind "well we just needed a lynch, it didn't matter who."

As well as the fact that apparently no one felt the need to pop in and say anything. Hmm...I wonder who was scum avoiding the mislynch so as not to incriminate themselves anymore...

[InflatablePie]

Red = unlikely pair
Blue = possible-unlikely pair
Green = possible-likely pair

Sotty + Klazam

: Fits one-on, one-off the DGB wagon. Possible. Sotty flip-flops on Klazam a lot, but does have him as one of the top 3 lynch choices for today, so less likely than most other choices.

Sotty + DH

: Fits 1:1-DGB. Unlikely due to his pushing of DH today.

Sotty + Marble

: Fits 1:1-DGB. Sotty pushed Marble for most of D1 before switching to DGB. They're both in each other's list of 4 though. Possible but less likely than most.

Sotty + Fluff

: Fits 1:1-DGB. Unlikely due to his willingness for a Fluff lynch today.

Klazam + DH

: This team means both scum were not only off the wagon, but were both non-voters. Unlikely.

Klazam + Marble

: Implies both scum off-wagon. Unlikely due to Marble's push of Klazam today.

Klazam + Fluff

: Both scum off-wagon. Possible - Fluff went from pushing Klazam hard yesterday to defending him today.

DH + Marble

: Both scum off-wagon. Possible. Go into DH's ISO and ctrl+f "marble". He mentions Marble often without giving many reads on him. Marble does have him on his top 3, though, so slightly less likely.

DH + Fluff

: Both scum off-wagon. Possible. Fluff calls DH town, DH talks to Fluff a lot without seeming suspicious of him.

Marble + Fluff

: Both scum off-wagon. Marble's on Fluff's willing-to-lynch list, and Marble is also disliking Fluff, so unlikely.

Sotty has 3 red, 2 blue.
Klazam has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.
DH has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.
Marble has 3 red, 2 blue.
Fluff has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.

Posted this a while ago; took out the Sevei possibilities in this quote since apparently singer was a mislynch (she would have dropped the charade if scum).

Gonna go re-analyze these possible pairings given the last few wagons. Not sure if I'll be able to do so before TBM ends the day, though. =/

[InflatablePie]

EBWOP: ignore the numbers; I just deleted instead of editing so the math doesn't add up.