Mini 245 - Stick Figures Mafia - Game Over!

BabyJesus · Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:45 pm

vote lying Brian

BabyJesus · Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:38 pm

vote Narninian

, since he is responsible for all the spam.

BabyJesus · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:01 pm

has narninian given last words yet?

BabyJesus · Post Post #30 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:42 am

Narninian wrote:so explain to me the 4 votes on me again?

It's day one....

BabyJesus · Post Post #33 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:27 pm

Tyfo wrote:Hmm, it seems that the random votes has massed up on Narninian. We must be careful on this, as a mafia - as stupid and revealing as it would be - could jump the pile and get a possible townie lynched.

Of course, if we have 2 or 3 mafiosos, they could already be piling the votes, but again - that would also be extremely suspicious.

I have yet to see anything really suspicious behaviour - but I still
FOS: Dragon Phoenix
for putting the third vote on Narninian. (I know that mathcan actually has the third vote on Bruno/Narninian, but I blame the confusion of "the assistant".).

it's 3 votes. We gotta run up someone. might as well be Narninian. Run him up, gets a role claim, and we move on from there.

BabyJesus · Post Post #37 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:18 pm

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Tyfo wrote:Hmm, it seems that the random votes has massed up on Narninian. We must be careful on this, as a mafia - as stupid and revealing as it would be - could jump the pile and get a possible townie lynched.

Of course, if we have 2 or 3 mafiosos, they could already be piling the votes, but again - that would also be extremely suspicious.

I have yet to see anything really suspicious behaviour - but I still
FOS: Dragon Phoenix
for putting the third vote on Narninian. (I know that mathcan actually has the third vote on Bruno/Narninian, but I blame the confusion of "the assistant".).
it's 3 votes. We gotta run up someone. might as well be Narninian. Run him up, gets a role claim, and we move on from there.
Why don't we run you up if you're so insistant we do it to someone?

looks like you're already trying, guy.

BabyJesus · Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:20 pm

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Tyfo wrote:Hmm, it seems that the random votes has massed up on Narninian. We must be careful on this, as a mafia - as stupid and revealing as it would be - could jump the pile and get a possible townie lynched.

Of course, if we have 2 or 3 mafiosos, they could already be piling the votes, but again - that would also be extremely suspicious.

I have yet to see anything really suspicious behaviour - but I still
FOS: Dragon Phoenix
for putting the third vote on Narninian. (I know that mathcan actually has the third vote on Bruno/Narninian, but I blame the confusion of "the assistant".).
it's 3 votes. We gotta run up someone. might as well be Narninian. Run him up, gets a role claim, and we move on from there.
Why don't we run you up if you're so insistant we do it to someone?

Plus, WTF. You got a better idea? Maybe we can all have a circle jerk? That's how these things work, ESPECIALLY day one. We run someone up. They claim. We then either finish lynch, or move on. If you didn;t think we should run someone up, you'd be voting no lynch. You're not, which makes you a hypocriticial ass.

BabyJesus · Post Post #41 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:24 pm

Narninian wrote:you can almost always come up with *some* reason.. and it doesnt have to result in a role claim. The bandwagonee should have a chance to defend themselves.

It's day one with no night actions. Unless you're hoping someone types "I'm scum", we're gonna have to get some voting action.

BabyJesus · Post Post #43 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:54 pm

mlaker wrote:I'm here and I must say, I look quite cool.

good stuff.

BabyJesus · Post Post #47 (isolation #9) » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:29 am

Tyfo wrote:Let's make him/her make a roleclaim before we lynch him.

was this ever a question? Of course he's gonna roleclaim....

BabyJesus · Post Post #50 (isolation #10) » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:58 am

Changling bob wrote: I agree that bandwagoning people is the key to day one, but random bandwagons can easily be bad: what if Narn is a power role:

You have a better idea? You want to criticize random bandwagoning day one, you gotta step up with a solution, guy.

BabyJesus · Post Post #54 (isolation #11) » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:07 am

I like ponies

BabyJesus · Post Post #57 (isolation #12) » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:39 am

Karo wrote:. My suggestion: Give the game some time to unfold, instead of pushing the bandwagon from the start.

Let's just all have tea and crimpets then....

OOoo, Maybe we can discuss the current regime's seeming desire to embroil us in a war with Iran and Syria...

BabyJesus · Post Post #64 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:53 pm

mathcam wrote:
On the other hand, discussing ponies, tea, and crumpets, is a fairly large waste of time and space. I shudder to think that when I have to do a re-read later on, I'm going to have to read those posts
again.

unvote, vote mathcam

BabyJesus · Post Post #77 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:03 am

unvote, vote narninian

BabyJesus · Post Post #79 (isolation #15) » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:24 pm

Narninian wrote: I also would like to point that babyjesus certainly can not make up his mind, and seemingly without reason. I can understand his first goal is to start a bandwagon without a good reason on day 1, cuz in his mind he believes the first one *cant* have a reason, but after I claimed he unvoted me ---- waited and saw that my bandwagon still had support, and then revoted me -- Don't you find that suspicious?

a) I'd rather lynch you then out the doc or cop
b) You admitted you do not have a power role...anyone else I could vote has not. Therefor you have a greater percentage chance of being scum then anyone else. There is alos very little risk in the lynch as it does nopt out the doc or cop, or another role we may want to keep hidden.

BabyJesus · Post Post #83 (isolation #16) » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:34 pm

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:b) You admitted you do not have a power role...anyone else I could vote has not. Therefor you have a greater percentage chance of being scum then anyone else. There is alos very little risk in the lynch as it does nopt out the doc or cop, or another role we may want to keep hidden.
This makes no sense and in any case is WIFOM. If scum, why claim plain townie when you can claim doc or cop and have even less chance of getting lynched?

doc or cop is a sure death sentence when the real doc or cop comes out....I could see a doc claim to try and get the doc to out himself. But you think scum never claim townie? please.

BabyJesus · Post Post #84 (isolation #17) » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:36 pm

bdonlan wrote:BJ's jumping off narninian seems a bit odd - townie claim does not decrease the chance someone is scum. Unless he found someone else to be scummier, why change his vote? I'd like to hear why you're voting mathcam now, BJ.

unvote, vote BabyJesus

Do you even read what I quoted when I voted? The mathcam vote was clearly a vote directed at mathcam not liking the tea and crimpets comments.

BabyJesus · Post Post #88 (isolation #18) » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:27 pm

bdonlan wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
bdonlan wrote:BJ's jumping off narninian seems a bit odd - townie claim does not decrease the chance someone is scum. Unless he found someone else to be scummier, why change his vote? I'd like to hear why you're voting mathcam now, BJ.

unvote, vote BabyJesus
Do you even read what I quoted when I voted? The mathcam vote was clearly a vote directed at mathcam not liking the tea and crimpets comments.
Oops, read a bit fast there, missed the quote. That said, it does seem a rather arbitrary reason to switch away. Narn has testified he is a plain townie, and you switch to an unknown. The chances of hitting scum are the same, but the chances of hitting a power role are greatly increased. At this stage in the game we should be beyond random voting, don't you think? Changing your vote for such an arbitrary reason at this point seems counterproductive to me.

Did you also skip over the fact that I didn't leave the vote off for long?

BabyJesus · Post Post #92 (isolation #19) » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:49 pm

Narninian wrote:
Bacde wrote: I do think that the OMGUS bandwagon on BabyJesus is odd, however. I really don't find what he is doing scummy either.
The events as I see it..

I mistaken post as bruno: Good enough a reason for the first 'random' bandwagon against me. Having nothing to respond to, I question the bandwagon and it continues because I have no good response to it. I am eventually pushed to claim, because noone feels like looking for a non-random bandwagon ---

I claim townie.
Immediatly BJ removes his votes for me. Citing a silly reason to vote for Mathcam instead.

Dragon and Phoenix and Mathcam express that they are glad they are voting for me since I'm either scum (because I didnt reponsd to the bandwagon against me... which I'm still looking for the reasoning behind) or Im 'just' a townie.

B.J. revotes me.

It's not simply an OMGUS bandwagon. The Sequence makes it look like BJ decided to revote me when it looked like there was still suppport on my bandwagon. His unvoting earlier may have been for a silly reason, but it gave him an out if he decided to pursue somebody else later.

except for the fact I ALWAYS support lynching a claimed townie day one. Its a low risk, high reward venture. Nice try though.

BabyJesus · Post Post #100 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:46 am

Narninian wrote:thats probably a good reason to only bandwagon with.... *reasons*...

Which on day one, with no night, you're really not gonna get UNTIL you start bandwagoning people.

8)

BabyJesus · Post Post #102 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:02 am

Narninian wrote:so let me get this straight...

bandwagon me with no reason.
Keep the bandwagon on me because I dont defend it ---
I claim townie.... keep the bandwagon on me..
I cant point out anybody else as 'scummy' people its perfectly sane to lynch a townie....

are you guys just gonna give up on finding scum today? lazy bums

How do we know you are not scum....

BabyJesus · Post Post #107 (isolation #22) » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:36 am

Unvote, vote: Mlaker

BabyJesus · Post Post #115 (isolation #23) » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:22 pm

mathcam wrote:mlaker is always like this. It is inexcusable. I don't know why he bothers to sign up for games if he's just going to ignore them.

My feeling on Narninian is just a hunch, and nothing more than that. Unless something spectacular happens, I will probably end the day with my vote on him.

Cam

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no one has anything but hunches Day One....

If mlaker is always like this, he seems the ideal candidate to at least force a roleclaim from. Narnian is not a power role, and still can be scum, so he seems an ideal choice for our vig, if we have one...

BabyJesus · Post Post #117 (isolation #24) » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:08 pm

mathcam wrote:I disagree. Discounting cop results and other night information, which certainly play a role, there are also some common scum tells to keep in mind. Neither of these would be considered hunches. There's also a distincion between "just a hunch" and an admittedly weak vote with a modicum of reasoning behind it (e.g. "He was the third on a bandwagon" or some other such nonsense). My vote on Narninian is almost solely hunch-based...since the bandwagon formed up on him, I just haven't gotten any kind of a pro-town feeling from him. Impossible to defend against? Yes. Completely and utterly meritless? In my opinion, no.

Cam

Thinking someone is giving away scum vibes based off of "common scum tells" is still a hunch...

BabyJesus · Post Post #123 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:18 am

has mlaker given last words yet....

BabyJesus · Post Post #134 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:21 pm

wow, harsh...

BabyJesus · Post Post #144 (isolation #27) » Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:30 pm

Narninian wrote:I dont get the apathy on the town's part in lynching me.

waaah

unvote, vote narninian

BabyJesus · Post Post #149 (isolation #28) » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:14 am

is narninian dead yet....

BabyJesus · Post Post #155 (isolation #29) » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:18 am

Changling bob wrote:
FoS: everyone voting Narninian

interesting.....

are you claiming to know he is pro-town...

BabyJesus · Post Post #157 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:11 pm

Changling bob wrote:No, I'm claiming that we have
no evidence
that he is scum, and yet some people are perfectly willing to string him up. The game is lynch the scum, not lynch the townies.

Well, you're voting me, and you have no evidence I am scum, so that kind of makes you a bit of a hypocrite....

BabyJesus · Post Post #163 (isolation #31) » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:10 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Changling bob wrote:No, I'm claiming that we have
no evidence
that he is scum, and yet some people are perfectly willing to string him up. The game is lynch the scum, not lynch the townies.
Well, you're voting me, and you have no evidence I am scum, so that kind of makes you a bit of a hypocrite....
You pushing to lynch a claimed townie isn't scummy at all, especially when that's what I just said

OK, then, O Wise One, please elaborate me on which role claims ARE ok to vote to lynch day one....

BabyJesus · Post Post #166 (isolation #32) » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:30 am

Narninian wrote:We usually lynch based on stuff besides a forced role claim after a random bandwagon. The random bandwagon's purpose is to see how players 'react' to the bandwagon, and not to kill the first person that we come across.

if your best guess based on this "random bandwagon" is a vote for me, then its clear you're unable to get much info out of it anyway, so we may as well finish you off....

BabyJesus · Post Post #167 (isolation #33) » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:32 am

Changling bob wrote:The ones where we don't bandwagon until we get a claim, then lynch the claimee if they claim townie, and don't if they claim a power role as that's what scum would do as then they
don't get lynched
.

so we don't bandwagon UNTIL we get a claim? So we're just hoping someone's gonna jump out with no pressure and say he's a townie, then you want us to lynch him......

BabyJesus · Post Post #170 (isolation #34) » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:18 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Changling bob wrote:The ones where we don't bandwagon until we get a claim, then lynch the claimee if they claim townie, and don't if they claim a power role as that's what scum would do as then they
don't get lynched
.
so we don't bandwagon UNTIL we get a claim? So we're just hoping someone's gonna jump out with no pressure and say he's a townie, then you want us to lynch him......
No, we look at voting patterns, like who's overeager to lynch someone.....

is that a scum tell....

BabyJesus · Post Post #172 (isolation #35) » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:40 am

Changling bob wrote:No, its just retarded townie play.

you're one to talk, mason-lyncher.

BabyJesus · Post Post #175 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:56 am

Narninian wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Narninian wrote:We usually lynch based on stuff besides a forced role claim after a random bandwagon. The random bandwagon's purpose is to see how players 'react' to the bandwagon, and not to kill the first person that we come across.
if your best guess based on this "random bandwagon" is a vote for me, then its clear you're unable to get much info out of it anyway, so we may as well finish you off....
Yes, I dont have much info -- people aren't looking beyond my bandwagon, and thats a BAD thing. We aren't going to make any progress in the game by lynching me right now --- as I was the *first* bandwagon, and you dont have a
good
reason to lynch me, other than that my forced claim was not that of a doc (which I wouldnt claim even if I was doc) or cop. [/i]

It's very hard to make anything of your bandwagon yet...if you turn up pro-town, sure. If you turn up scum, then we'll have an entirely different set of criteria to look at.

BabyJesus · Post Post #176 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:59 am

BabyJesus · Post Post #178 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:50 pm

Bacde wrote:As much as I want to hop on to the Narninian bandwagon, I have this nagging feeling that Narninian isn't scum, while I think Blackberry is. I can't just not listen to my gut, so I'm feeling really hesitant right now.

why....

BabyJesus · Post Post #186 (isolation #39) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:33 am

unvote, vote changling bob

BabyJesus · Post Post #194 (isolation #40) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:44 pm

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
unvote, vote changling bob
omgus

[/enthusiasm]

interesting....

BabyJesus · Post Post #202 (isolation #41) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:54 pm

sigh....

BabyJesus · Post Post #209 (isolation #42) » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:48 am

Tyfo wrote:(What does pray tell mean?)

However, I will go with my suspision of BJ - maybe it's just a silly thing he does, but it could be as I previously stated.

Vote: BabyJesus

BabyJesus · Post Post #215 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:09 pm

Bacde wrote:
Code: Select all
Ninjas are murder!  Old men are murder!
Either way, I'd like to listen to tyfos defence. I find it interesting that he decided to vote as soon as attention was directed at him, as if he crazily wants no one to notice him.

true...

unvote, vote tyfo

. lets put some pressure on him...

BabyJesus · Post Post #223 (isolation #44) » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:23 am

Narninian wrote:It also makes it so you dont have to adjust your stategy if playing as mafia. Its to your advantage to get a townie lynched, if mafia. It prevents a fellow mafia member from being run up, and having to do a false claim, or exposing partners trying to defend them.

You honestly think a random day 1 bandwagon, leading to a townie claim, and then lynch of that person is the best idea? I've never been in a mini where the Day 1 bandwagon was 'random' there is usually *Some* reason, and often they are not forced to claim if they succesfully defend the reason. I had no such option, and if I was a power role, that would be detrimental.

Narninian wrote:eh, better to lynch me, than to lynch a power role.

I'm just a townie.

interesting....

BabyJesus · Post Post #230 (isolation #45) » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:48 am

Narninian wrote:so I should just shutup and let myself get lynched? its not like Im posting that frequently, its just nobody else is..

so who do you suggest we lynch....

BabyJesus · Post Post #234 (isolation #46) » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:36 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Narninian wrote:so I should just shutup and let myself get lynched? its not like Im posting that frequently, its just nobody else is..
so who do you suggest we lynch....
We were looking at tyfo..... until DP cunningly or otherwise distracted us from that issue to prod at Narninian again.

interesting...

unvote, vote tyfo

works for me

BabyJesus · Post Post #244 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:31 pm

Tyfo's 2 from a lynch, probably should claim.....

Hope we didn't run up the doc...

BabyJesus · Post Post #246 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:42 am

BabyJesus · Post Post #252 (isolation #49) » Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:47 am

mathcam wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:Tyfo's 2 from a lynch, probably should claim.....

Hope we didn't run up the doc...
This sounded awfully insincere to me. Maybe BJ's not so bad of a target today after all. Hmm.

Cam

BabyJesus · Post Post #255 (isolation #50) » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:09 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
mathcam wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:Tyfo's 2 from a lynch, probably should claim.....

Hope we didn't run up the doc...
This sounded awfully insincere to me. Maybe BJ's not so bad of a target today after all. Hmm.

Cam

Don't even bother trying to explain yourself or anything.....

Admittedly, you're always like this, but it
doesn't help the town that you
always act scummy
.

hoping we didn't run up the doc is scummy?? interesting....

BabyJesus · Post Post #257 (isolation #51) » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:48 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
mathcam wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:Tyfo's 2 from a lynch, probably should claim.....

Hope we didn't run up the doc...
This sounded awfully insincere to me. Maybe BJ's not so bad of a target today after all. Hmm.

Cam

Don't even bother trying to explain yourself or anything.....

Admittedly, you're always like this, but it
doesn't help the town that you
always act scummy
.
hoping we didn't run up the doc is scummy?? interesting....
No, the insincerity of it is. I wasn't even the one who picked you up on that.

what makes you think it was insincere....

BabyJesus · Post Post #260 (isolation #52) » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:19 pm

Tyfo wrote:I am here Karo, I have some stinches (you know, thread) in my spine, and it hurts!

To tired to write anything now, it is.

a simple role claim would have been nice....

BabyJesus · Post Post #268 (isolation #53) » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:17 pm

Tyfo wrote:
Narninian wrote:another post non-gameplay related to say that you're not gonna have a problem keeping up with the game.... and you're 1 from being lynched. Say SOMETHING about the game, even if its to say 'I refuse to claim for XXX reason'. We're waiting to hear from ya.
I can claim; but since I'm the doctor, the mafia will probably kill me tonight.

If I refused to claim, the mafia would probably kill me anyway if no better choice.

So it's lynch/killed/killed.

(About the non-game things; someone asked me a question - I responded).

BabyJesus · Post Post #269 (isolation #54) » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:18 pm

We may as well

unvote

though, if he IS faking doc he won't last long....

vote Changling bob

BabyJesus · Post Post #273 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:49 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:We may as well
unvote
though, if he IS faking doc he won't last long....

vote Changling bob
Interesting...... [/you]

hi

BabyJesus · Post Post #277 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:12 pm

Can we focus on lynching changling bob pls...

BabyJesus · Post Post #282 (isolation #57) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:07 am

Changling bob wrote:
Narninian wrote:obviously we dont want to lynch a doc on day 1 without a counterclaim..
Is a day one counterclaim of doc really the best play ever?

Also, your tactic has been proved to be faulty, and you still persue it BJ? Good jorb. I think my vote's still on you.

What tactic is "faulty"....

BabyJesus · Post Post #284 (isolation #58) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:40 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Changling bob wrote:
Narninian wrote:obviously we dont want to lynch a doc on day 1 without a counterclaim..
Is a day one counterclaim of doc really the best play ever?

Also, your tactic has been proved to be faulty, and you still persue it BJ? Good jorb. I think my vote's still on you.
What tactic is "faulty"....
Bandwagon to claim on everyone in the game.

Also, single line posts that don't advance the game.

Since when am I responsible for the runup on Tyfo?? Plus I'm pretty sure I advocated several times we should lynch Narninian.

Trying to cast suspicion on me for false pretenses is why I am voting you , guy.

BabyJesus · Post Post #285 (isolation #59) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:41 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Changling bob wrote:
Narninian wrote:obviously we dont want to lynch a doc on day 1 without a counterclaim..
Is a day one counterclaim of doc really the best play ever?

Also, your tactic has been proved to be faulty, and you still persue it BJ? Good jorb. I think my vote's still on you.
What tactic is "faulty"....
Bandwagon to claim on everyone in the game.

Also, single line posts that don't advance the game.

Oh, and you seem to be implying the runup on Tyfo was faulty....do you somehow KNOW that he really is the doc, and not faking?

interesting...

BabyJesus · Post Post #287 (isolation #60) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:08 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
Changling bob wrote:
Narninian wrote:obviously we dont want to lynch a doc on day 1 without a counterclaim..
Is a day one counterclaim of doc really the best play ever?

Also, your tactic has been proved to be faulty, and you still persue it BJ? Good jorb. I think my vote's still on you.
What tactic is "faulty"....
Bandwagon to claim on everyone in the game.

Also, single line posts that don't advance the game.
Oh, and you seem to be implying the runup on Tyfo was faulty....do you somehow KNOW that he really is the doc, and not faking?

interesting...
No, I don't.

But we've now exposed someone who's claimed doc. Shall we out the cop next?

Are you claiming cop with only one vote??

BabyJesus · Post Post #289 (isolation #61) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:37 am

Changling bob wrote:No.

then its safe to run you up, no?

BabyJesus · Post Post #291 (isolation #62) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:47 pm

mathcam wrote:It's significantly easier to read the thread if you
don't
quote the posts immediately proceeding yours. One nice thing about the posts being listed in order is that you've just read the posts before the current post, so it's unnecessary to repeat them.

Cam

I see.

BabyJesus · Post Post #300 (isolation #63) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:24 am

unvote, Vote: Narninian

BabyJesus · Post Post #303 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:29 am

and now we wait.....

BabyJesus · Post Post #305 (isolation #65) » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:32 am

Changling bob wrote:I refuse to push this wagon while there are other more scummy people out there.

like yourself, for instance

BabyJesus · Post Post #308 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:08 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:like yourself, for instance
Like where? I was thinking more of you and tyfo meself.

You thought wrong, son.

BabyJesus · Post Post #320 (isolation #67) » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:54 pm

Karo wrote:Let me just add a new line of attack: Why is Tyfo, a claimed doc not dead?.

Good point, I was just about to mention this while rereading.

BabyJesus · Post Post #321 (isolation #68) » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:57 pm

After the Narn vote stalled and Tyfo claimed doc, Bacde was the first one to hop back on Narninian. I've got him on my GG list.

BabyJesus · Post Post #322 (isolation #69) » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:59 pm

Also, if Tyfo is NOT the doc, we'll know that if/when the doc dies. No reason to lynch him today I think... If he IS the doc we'll know eventually.

BabyJesus · Post Post #326 (isolation #70) » Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:25 pm

Karo wrote:
Bacde wrote:Err... Confirm vote Tyfo for the post you just put up? Sounds like a scum gambit to me.
You are right, I should've done that.

Vote: Tyfo

This is a bad vote. I agree there is a VERY good chance he's faking. But why take that chance?

BabyJesus · Post Post #327 (isolation #71) » Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:25 pm

anyway, the

vote today is changling bob.

No reason to not finish him ff now.

BabyJesus · Post Post #330 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:32 am

BabyJesus wrote:
Narninian wrote: I also would like to point that babyjesus certainly can not make up his mind, and seemingly without reason. I can understand his first goal is to start a bandwagon without a good reason on day 1, cuz in his mind he believes the first one *cant* have a reason, but after I claimed he unvoted me ---- waited and saw that my bandwagon still had support, and then revoted me -- Don't you find that suspicious?
a) I'd rather lynch you then out the doc or cop
b) You admitted you do not have a power role...anyone else I could vote has not. Therefor you have a greater percentage chance of being scum then anyone else. There is alos very little risk in the lynch as it does nopt out the doc or cop, or another role we may want to keep hidden.

BabyJesus · Post Post #333 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:52 am

Changling bob wrote:
FoS: BabyJesus

with Tyfo coming in second.
FoS: Tyfo
in case anyone wants to keep track.

why?

BabyJesus · Post Post #337 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:56 am

Changling bob wrote: @BJ: Did you read the post directly above the one you quoted? I also find it strange that you're happy to continue the random bandwagon logic, attempting to push one on me, as you did yesterday to no avail.

by vote on you is not random, it is because you were protecting the f'ing godfather.

BabyJesus · Post Post #339 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:32 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:by vote on you is not random, it is because you were protecting the f'ing godfather.
I was not protecting the godfather, I was not advocating lynching someone who claimed townie, and turned out to be the godfather. I admit it makes me look bad, but that's happened to several people, and besides, there are better people to be looking at than me.

you were defending the godfather. Don't try to spin your way out of it.

BabyJesus · Post Post #340 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:37 am

Changling bob wrote:
Tyfo wrote:About 2) the point in a"scapegoat" is to let a person look suspicious, so that the person would get target by the other players and the guilty would be free.

I do not know why they chose to kill LML, how would I know?
The thing is, if you are the doc, and they leave you alive and assume we'll lynch you, then when people question whether we should or not, its bad for the scum. There is no reason for scum to kill one of their own. Hence, the longer you survive, the more we should lynch you. I personally would give you another night before actually wanting to lynch you, as without crazy setups with multiple killing groups and what-have-you, I find the possibility of two docs low. Although, as pointed out above, deflectors or other similar roles could come into the equation, Occam's razor says to ignore them for now until we get some kind of proof of them.

@BJ: Did you read the post directly above the one you quoted? I also find it strange that you're happy to continue the random bandwagon logic, attempting to push one on me, as you did yesterday to no avail.

anyway, on the doc. We still have our cop I believe? So there is some incentive for the scum to avoid a claimed doc to try and hit the hidden cop. Especially if it makes the town decide to lynch the claimed doc. If/when the cop comes out, that changes things. At that point, they HAVE to kill the claimed doc (if he is not one of them), or risk the cop continuing to get views.

Personally, so I know if Tyfo really is doc? no. But I do not think we should lynch him today. He's already out on a limb - face it, if he is scum, he WILL die. He's not gonna be able to carry a doc fake to endgame. But IF he is telling the truth, no way should we lynch him.

BabyJesus · Post Post #341 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:38 am

Also, I noticed earlier in the thread mlaker (now Blackberry) defending Narninian. He'd be a solid choice to runup as well.

BabyJesus · Post Post #345 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:37 pm

LyingBrian wrote:@BabyJesus:

i understand your logic as to why we should not lynch Tyfo TODAY, and i agree...

but at the same time i do not believe we should let him live until endgame...

Of course not. I merely think we should wait until either 1) the real doc dies, or 2) the cop comes out.

Once this happens I think we'll have more info. I'm just not willing to risk killing the doc today.

BabyJesus · Post Post #349 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:37 am

Changling bob wrote:
LyingBrian wrote:funny that your gut says the person who is voting for you is scum!?!
Yes, but if there was a bandwagon on anyone else, he would move to it, as evidenced by every single vote change of his yesterday.

so basically we have
BabyJesus - willing to vote for godfather
Changling Bob - NOT willing to vote for godfather

keep spinning, scum!

BabyJesus · Post Post #351 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:28 pm

can we focus on lynching changling bob pls? he's already said he's not the cop, and it doesn;t sound like he's disputing tyfo, so he's a pretty safe lynch.

BabyJesus · Post Post #356 (isolation #81) » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:55 am

Changling bob wrote:EBWOP: BJ, you have argueably the worst way of dealing with things I've seen in a game of mafia, barring complete idiots. Bandwagon to claim has just failed you again. gg.

hi

BabyJesus · Post Post #360 (isolation #82) » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:45 am

unvote

BabyJesus · Post Post #366 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:20 am

unvote, vote mathcam

no reason to lynch either claimed doc today.

BabyJesus · Post Post #373 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:00 pm

Karo wrote:
Dragon Phoenix wrote:If we do not resolve the doctor question, chances are the mafia will not kill the real doc tonight as that would expose the fake one. By no means therefore essential to lynch one of them now - the real doc might get lucky and save someone.
Quoted for emphasis. If they simply pick another player they will delay the lynch of one of their mafioso until
we
act.

Oh yes, and why mathcam, BJ?

I think he is scum....

BabyJesus · Post Post #379 (isolation #85) » Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:00 am

Blackberry wrote:After thinking awhile... I agree with not killing either of them. It is a 100% guarantee that one of them is scum.

I have quite an idea, it will highly increase our victory...

If Cop claims, scum will be forced to kill the REAL doc tonite. That will give the cop protection and some results in the open. Next day we can lynch the fake-doc. Then Cop will probably be killed and with the added results, we'll been in pretty good shape.

Before cop claims, what do you all think of my idea?

I think the cop coming out is a good idea...especially if he has scum.

BabyJesus · Post Post #385 (isolation #86) » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:18 am

can we focus on lynching mathcam pls....

BabyJesus · Post Post #389 (isolation #87) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:47 am

mathcam wrote:I agree. The topic of lynching mathcam deserves a lot more focus. BabyJesus, why don't you take up the charge here and explain why anyone should join you on the mathcam bandwagon.

Because at night, when the rest of us sleep, I think you kill people.

BabyJesus · Post Post #391 (isolation #88) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:05 am

LyingBrian wrote:@BabyJesus

i think what we're looking for is what is the core reason why you think mathcam is scum?

has he done/not done something we missed? or are you just working off a gut feeling?

Just not getting a townie feel from his posts. Seems to be planting ideas to see what will stick, even suggesting we lynch people he thinks are clean... I don't usually see townie's ok with wanting to lynch innocents.

So yea, its mostly a gut feeling.

Although Blackberry could get my vote also.

BabyJesus · Post Post #393 (isolation #89) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:38 am

mathcam wrote:
CB is still my top suspicion, but AI might have to reread day 1 with his claim in mind, to see if it melds well.

Cam

Still. no reason to lynch either of them today in my opinion....

BabyJesus · Post Post #396 (isolation #90) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:35 pm

unvote, vote blackberry

BabyJesus · Post Post #400 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:33 am

Changling bob wrote:
vote: BJ

Gogo circle-jerk logic.

I do however agree that neither myself nor Tyfo should be lynch, despite the fact that one of us is scum.

I also still have a bad-ish feeling about blackberry, although I'm not too sure about that.

you're not helping your cause here, guy.

BabyJesus · Post Post #401 (isolation #92) » Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:44 am

Blackberry wrote:*juggles his balls, glances around at everyone suspisciously*

Ok... First off, I don't understand the reason we aren't lynching a claimed townie. It'd be better than forcing someone else to claim and outting a power-role.

Further more, Changing Bob seems to WANT to out power-roles, unless I am mistaken. CB strongly disregarded the lynch of a townie, which would infer he would rather see a power-role claimed.

We have had no night, a townie lynch would be the best for us now, unstead of outing a Doctor or a Cop who haven't even had time to do an investigation.

*throws a ball and hits Changling Bob's face*

Unvote

Vote: Changling Bob

noted here that Blackberry claimed to want to lynch the claimed townie, but never did, instead moving to Changling Bob, and later Tyfo....

BabyJesus · Post Post #404 (isolation #93) » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:05 am

Still like a Blackberry lynch right now.

BabyJesus · Post Post #407 (isolation #94) » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:07 pm

mathcam wrote:No, I meant: Why are you so certain that one of you is scum?

Cam

2 docs in a mini is pretty uncommon, yes?

BabyJesus · Post Post #409 (isolation #95) » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:00 pm

mathcam wrote:Not uncommon enough for me to declare outright that one of them has to be scum.

In any case, if you really think that one of them is scum, I'm positive the right move is to lynch one of them. Best-case scenario is that we lynch scum right away,
and
there's a better than 50/50 shot at hitting this best-case scenario. Note that this "going one-for-one" is the best we can ever hope to do. The worst-case scenario is that we tie up two lynches with a guarantee of nailing scum at the end...this is
excellent
compared to any other plan we attempt to enact. Is there anyone out there who wants to guarantee me that if we lynch blackberry today and he turns out to be pro-town, that our next lynch tomorrow will
definitely
be scum?

Finally, keeping the real doc alive is not of paramount importance. The docs ability is only occasionally useful, whereas getting rid of scum
is
paramount. Lynching one of the claimed docs has to be right play, today. I think CB has acted significantly scummier than Tyfo, but CB has the advantage of having claimed second...a fairly ballsy move for scum to make.

Cam

1) I do think one is scum, but I disagree we should lynch one today.
2) The doc ability is pretty damn useful while the cop is still alive, no?

BabyJesus · Post Post #411 (isolation #96) » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:53 am

Karo wrote:I'm with you on this, as long as we keep both of the claimed docs in mind for later.

Unvote, Vote: Blackberry

Absolutely. But whichever one of them is scum is caught. He will be dealt with.

BabyJesus · Post Post #416 (isolation #97) » Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:00 am

shelper wrote:My vote's staying on BJ.
His pathetic attempt to get Mathcam lynched just screams scum to me.

let me know how that works out for you, guy.

BabyJesus · Post Post #419 (isolation #98) » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:34 am

Changling bob wrote:Heh. I was about to move my vote to BJ, but it's already there. Odd that.

*points at sig*

Lat game I played with you, you got a CONFIRMED Mason lynched. So I put very litte stock in any "quality" you think you have, so your post is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

BabyJesus · Post Post #420 (isolation #99) » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:35 am

mathcam wrote:I'm fine lynching BJ. While it's clear he could be a pretty positive contributor to this game if he wanted to, he's intentionally making distracting and non-sequitir posts to get us off-topic. That's pretty damn scummy to me.

Cam

I'm not getting lynched, guy. But feel free to try.

BabyJesus · Post Post #422 (isolation #100) » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:44 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:Lat game I played with you, you got a CONFIRMED Mason lynched. So I put very litte stock in any "quality" you think you have, so your post is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Yes, because you only ever play like scum, and you also happened to be a miller. Get over it.

point remains your "quality" is lacking.

BabyJesus · Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:42 pm

Bacde wrote:Interesting argument here. I think that bringing up the last game you two played is irrelevant though. We aren't gaining much info from it.

Mathcam seems to be a good voice of reason, wanting us to lynch one of our two claimed docs, but I just want to let it be known right now that I think Karo is scum.

Why is it so necessary to do that now? Wouldn;t it be easier to just lynch whichever one the mafia do not kill tomorrow....

And if they don't kill either tomorrow, all that means is our doc is alive for another day, again a good thing for us.

BabyJesus · Post Post #426 (isolation #102) » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:22 pm

Bacde wrote:But as already stated, since the doc isn't protecting anyone, the chances of choosing correctly and protecting against a kill is minimal.

we're not keeping the doc alive in hopes of a block, that is gravy. We're keeping the doc alive, because the cop is still hidden, and as long as the doc is alive, the cop is guaranteed an extra night if/when he comes out.

BabyJesus · Post Post #428 (isolation #103) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:12 am

Interesting that changling bob is voting me, instead of the other claimed doc....

BabyJesus · Post Post #431 (isolation #104) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:54 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:Interesting that changling bob is voting me, instead of the other claimed doc....
I find it interesting that this agrees with your point of not killing either of us to keep the real doc alive, and yet you still have to bring it up.

Because

I

don't know which of you are lying.

YOU

supposedly do. It is interesting that you not voting Tyfo is keeping the real doc alive....

I'm still not voting you, as I think Blackberry is the best lynch today. Just making a comment.

BabyJesus · Post Post #437 (isolation #105) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:45 am

mathcam wrote:There's no way that scum's going to kill one of the two of them tonight, and then we're left in the same boat tomorrow. If "Why today?" is such an important question, then consider also "Why tomorrow?" or "Why the day after that?"

Skimmer, because the cop is still alive. You really think they're going to let the doc live if/when the cop comes out? If the cop is dead, then the power of the doc is drastically reduced. Right now though, keeping him alive guarantees us an extra night for the cop while the doc lives.

fos at mathcam

BabyJesus · Post Post #439 (isolation #106) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:13 am

mathcam wrote:
Skimmer
?

No, I don't think they'd keep the doc alive. The question is whether or not it's worth letting a mafia stay alive, and risk running out of time to lynch them all, to let the cop stay alive an extra day. This may seem obvious at first, but I assure you it's not. The cop may die independently before then, in which case we've just left the mafia alive for absolutely no gain. The cop's sanity may not be known, meaning we have even more wrong lynches before we get to an actual scum. There may be a back-up doc that can save the day instead.
There may be a godfather, limiting the usefulness of the cop even further
. I could go on.

If we believe that they can't both be docs, we have a guaranteed shot at hitting scum within the next two days. We'll still have the cop info when he comes out. This is better than anything that anyone else has offered.

Cam

Yes, you're a skimmer. We lynched the godfather D1. It's now D2. I think we can afford to give the "docs" a day and see what happens.

BabyJesus · Post Post #441 (isolation #107) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:12 am

mathcam wrote:Okay, fair point. That doesn't say anything about the other collection of caveats I posted, though. Or do you have replies to any of those?

Cam

certainly, next game it certainly could be viable to take our shot at one of the claimed docs. I simply think TODAY, day two, having lynched the godfather D1 and a hidden cop, the best play is to let it go for now and see what happens. Whicher one of them is scum isn;t going anywhere.

BabyJesus · Post Post #444 (isolation #108) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:28 am

shelper wrote:
(in fact, I think I'm the only one who seems to have expressed the possibility, however small, that they might both be telling the truth).
Ha-herm...

As for the game at hand, i'm honestly stumped. What is berry's wagon based off again? His suggestion for the cop to come out combined with his refusal to lynch narn day 1?

yes. although I am more concerned with who didn't want to lynch narninian.

BabyJesus · Post Post #446 (isolation #109) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:52 am

Not to mention, I've seen Blackberry post elsewhere on site. Yet he mysteriously lurks and hides now with some heat on him. It's been 9 days since his last post in this thread. But he's around.

BabyJesus · Post Post #450 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:06 am

I hope we didn't run up the cop....

BabyJesus · Post Post #455 (isolation #111) » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:09 pm

so is blackberry claiming this year?

BabyJesus · Post Post #461 (isolation #112) » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:50 am

Lets just finish Blackberry off.....

BabyJesus · Post Post #464 (isolation #113) » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:48 pm

mathcam wrote:It seems cruel to make a replacement come in and read all this, make a claim which we're almost destined not to believe, and then be lynched after one post. I'd be fine lynching Blackberry now.

Cam

exactly....

BabyJesus · Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:52 pm

wow....what are the odds we ran up 3 docs.....

BabyJesus · Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:20 am

unvote, vote Dragon Phoenix

BabyJesus · Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:30 pm

Dragon Phoenix wrote:That's not helpful.

BabyJesus · Post Post #479 (isolation #117) » Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:04 am

So, shall we runup Dargon Phoenix? Or is he another doc...

BabyJesus · Post Post #483 (isolation #118) » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:15 am

oh fine....

unvote, vote blackberry

BabyJesus · Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:22 am

LyingBrian wrote:
vote: Karo giving away his source

I disagree.

BabyJesus · Post Post #500 (isolation #120) » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:36 am

Why would give the scum any more info? Let's just finish off Blackberry. We can deal with the "why" tomorrow, depending on what Blackberry comes up as.

BabyJesus · Post Post #502 (isolation #121) » Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:55 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:Why would give the scum any more info? Let's just finish off Blackberry. We can deal with the "why" tomorrow, depending on what Blackberry comes up as.
Disturbingly, I think this is probably our best plan.

vote: Blackberry

why disturbingly....

BabyJesus · Post Post #505 (isolation #122) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:15 pm

BrianMcQueso wrote:

interesting vote snapshot from day one...

BabyJesus · Post Post #506 (isolation #123) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:16 pm

lets

vote lying brian

today....

BabyJesus · Post Post #509 (isolation #124) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:56 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:lets
vote lying brian
today....
Any particular reason?

a) staying away from the Narninian wagon, and b) pushing Karo for info yesterday did not sit well with me.

I WAS suspicious of Mathcam, but after reviewing how he stayed on Narninian D1, I'm positive he is pro-town.

BabyJesus · Post Post #510 (isolation #125) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:05 pm

hello...

BabyJesus · Post Post #512 (isolation #126) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:56 pm

mathcam wrote:12 hours without a post hardly seems bump-worthy.

In any case,
Vote: Tyfo.
I think he's our fake doc.

Unless anyone's got another mystery note to report...

Cam

do you think our fake doc is the last scum?

BabyJesus · Post Post #513 (isolation #127) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:58 pm

can;t be just 3 scum, and we have yet to see a serial killer....so I think there's another one out there.

BabyJesus · Post Post #519 (isolation #128) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:43 am

mathcam wrote:
Tyfo wrote:What are your arguments?
I don't think you and Changling Bob are both doctors. Changling Bob claimed second, which he'd be less likely to do if he were making it up. You did not vote for Blackberry. You put up only a token fight against Narninian early on, after which you were content to jump on a couple of different other bandwagons.

What are your defenses?

Cam

not to mention the fact they failed to kill Tyfo n1 after he claimed doc....I could probably go tyfo

BabyJesus · Post Post #521 (isolation #129) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:46 am

it IS curious neither protected karo. I would have thought that an obvious protection.

BabyJesus · Post Post #523 (isolation #130) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:40 am

BabyJesus · Post Post #525 (isolation #131) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:30 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:
I know

why would you not protect karo..... protecting someone you've wanted to lynch all game vs power role who is outed and nailed scum seems odd....

BabyJesus · Post Post #530 (isolation #132) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:28 am

Lets hear who Karo protected before we go willy nilly voting CB.....

BabyJesus · Post Post #531 (isolation #133) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:28 am

BabyJesus wrote:Lets hear who Karo protected before we go willy nilly voting CB.....

and by Karo I mean tyfo, of course.

BabyJesus · Post Post #535 (isolation #134) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:35 pm

shelper wrote:I'm willing to vote for Tyfo as soon as we hear who he protected for good record keeping.

let's hear who he protected first....

you don't think CB claiming to have protected me seems odd?

BabyJesus · Post Post #536 (isolation #135) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:37 pm

Changling bob wrote:
vote: BJ

Gogo circle-jerk logic.

I do however agree that neither myself nor Tyfo should be lynch, despite the fact that one of us is scum.

I also still have a bad-ish feeling about blackberry, although I'm not too sure about that.

he was VOTING me yesterday....

BabyJesus · Post Post #540 (isolation #136) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:31 am

LyingBrian wrote:
unvote

vote: Tyfo

since he needs more pressure, & BabyJesus wants to protect Changling bob...

how am I protecting anyone....

BabyJesus · Post Post #541 (isolation #137) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:33 am

i like my lying brian vote...

BabyJesus · Post Post #544 (isolation #138) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:04 am

mathcam wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:i like my lying brian vote...
Ditto for me and Tyfo. I think he said he protected me to try to get me to unvote.

Cam

I don't trust either of them!! I can't understand why they wouldn't protect karo. I was wondering if one of them did and was roleblocked, but I guess not...

I'm not sold deciding is the best play today.

We have 6 unknowns, and 2 claimed docs. One of those unknowns is the cop, who probably has at least one live view. That would leave 4 unknowns. If we lynch one today, and cop views another tomorrow, we're down to 2. TWO.

Which means if they don't kill the cop or doc tonight, they'll both be alive tomorrow, and its game over. If the cop has TWO live views, even better, it might be game over.

I think the cop should come out. He gives views, we kill neither doc, scum will be FORCED to kill the right doc then tonight...

BabyJesus · Post Post #545 (isolation #139) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:05 am

Also, if anyone left alive has a role that can confirm then, vig or something, would be good to out that also...

BabyJesus · Post Post #547 (isolation #140) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:16 am

Tyfo wrote:
mathcam wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:i like my lying brian vote...
Ditto for me and Tyfo. I think he said he protected me to try to get me to unvote.

Cam
Wow. Why should you unvote if you were already determined to vote for me?

why did you not protect karo?

BabyJesus · Post Post #549 (isolation #141) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:26 am

LyingBrian wrote:@BabyJesus,

somehow, i don't think it's going to be that easy... we already know that we have a doctor, a nurse, & a cop (assumption on that last role, as it's pretty popular, plus what's the point of having a Mafia Godfather w/o a cop?), not to mention other roles that could be out there that we haven't managed to bandwagon yet...

maybe it's me, but it seems overpowered w/ just 1 killing group, unless there are like 5 members in the group... so i would say there's probably a SK who either hasn't raised his ugly head, or has been roleblocked/protected/etc...

are you a sk....

BabyJesus · Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:26 pm

LyingBrian wrote:*yawns*

is everybody not back from vacation yet or what?

have you claimed yet....

BabyJesus · Post Post #555 (isolation #143) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:16 am

ugh...

so we're all gonna just sit here and want tyfo to defend protecting mathcam....

I'm not sure anything has changed. Regardless, situation is the same. We have 2 claimed docs. We can't use a poor choice for protection as suspicion, because both of them did. And we still have a hidden cop (who I think should come out, btw)

Mass claim maybe? Is there a downside?

BabyJesus · Post Post #557 (isolation #144) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:28 am

Dragon Phoenix wrote:I second the motion for the cop coming out, even if he/she only has innocent results. The mafia will probably target a non-doc again the coming night and may get lucky. If the cop claims, we have one more night of investigation coming up.

so you are townie then too....

BabyJesus · Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:45 am

mathcam wrote:Well, I still think Tyfo's the scum out of the two, but if we're not going to lynch him...

I'm not the cop, and I agree they should reveal.

Cam

any reason besides he claimed first....

BabyJesus · Post Post #562 (isolation #146) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:28 pm

Bacde wrote:<-- Isn't cop.

lol, there goes my guess, I figured it was you....

BabyJesus · Post Post #563 (isolation #147) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:29 pm

So is everyone else not the cop plain townie, or are there other roles....

At this point, anyone we can confirm one way or the other helps us narrow down the pool....

BabyJesus · Post Post #567 (isolation #148) » Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:06 am

Works for me. I'd rather have a situation where cop comes out, we get some confirmed innocents, and leave the doc decision till tomorrow, but doesn't look like thats gonna happen.

unvote, vote tyfo

BabyJesus · Post Post #570 (isolation #149) » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:44 am

LyingBrian wrote:
MOD
, can we please get a prod on Tyfo?

also,
BabyJesus
&
Dragon Phoenix
, two of the biggest proponents of the cop claiming have not specifically claimed that they are NOT the cop... how about it?

BTW, i still say we have a 2nd killing group we haven't heard from yet... it seems pretty common in 12-player games...

I obviously am not the cop, or I would not need to be pushing so hard for the cop to come out.

BabyJesus · Post Post #571 (isolation #150) » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:44 am

LyingBrian wrote: BTW, i still say we have a 2nd killing group we haven't heard from yet... it seems pretty common in 12-player games...

do you know something you're not telling us?

BabyJesus · Post Post #572 (isolation #151) » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:49 am

OO, Tyfo just posted in another thread. Hopefully he'll check in here.

BabyJesus · Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:29 am

LyingBrian wrote:
Tyfo wrote:Right. I do not favor lynching for the reason of JUST being inactive.
that's a good thing, b/c we've been waiting on you for awhile, now...

let's see...

mathcam = MAYBE cop
Karo = DEFINITELY power-role

better to protect a KNOWN power-role than somebody who MAY be a power-role, isn't it?

the same applies to changlingbob, too.... even moreso, since he was VOTING me yesterday, now claims he protected me??

BabyJesus · Post Post #581 (isolation #153) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:17 am

mathcam wrote:A WIFOM argument for sure, but I'd find it more likely that CB made a night choice that doesn't make sense than CB
making up
a fake night choice that doesn't make sense.

Cam

fair enough. Let's lynch tyfo.

BabyJesus · Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:07 am

BabyJesus · Post Post #596 (isolation #155) » Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:13 am

so was tyfo scum....

BabyJesus · Post Post #599 (isolation #156) » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:22 am

LyingBrian wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:I obviously am not the cop, or I would not need to be pushing so hard for the cop to come out.
you want to explain this now, BabyJesus?

i knew we HAD to have a cop, b/c i was the deputy or backup cop... somehow i KNEW it was either you or Dragon Phoenix...

I was roleblocked N1. When no one outed that, combined with not killing the outed doc... I thought it was a scum roleblocker. Outing myself with 1 investigation and an ineffective doc seemed foolish.

BabyJesus · Post Post #603 (isolation #157) » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:24 pm

I still can't believe CB actually did protect me....lol