Mini 245 - Stick Figures Mafia - Game Over!

[Bacde]

Oh nvm I see what you thought I meant. Just a big misunderstanding.

[BabyJesus]

Err... Confirm vote Tyfo for the post you just put up? Sounds like a scum gambit to me.

You are right, I should've done that.

Vote: Tyfo

This is a bad vote. I agree there is a VERY good chance he's faking. But why take that chance?

[BabyJesus]

anyway, the

vote today is changling bob.

No reason to not finish him ff now.

[shelper]

except for the fact I ALWAYS support lynching a claimed townie day one.

vote narninian

vote mlaker

vote narninian

vote changling bob

vote tyfo

vote changling bob

vote narninian

All quotes by babyJ.
Yeah, i know, same thing i said yesterday, but for a guy who was so convinced it'd be good play to lynch narn, you sure didn't mind voting for 4 other people that day.

You supported the earlier narn lynch, hoping to find a more suspicious target along the way. When that didn't happen, and you saw the town was actually serious lynching narn, you voted for anybody with even the slightest opportunity of being lynched instead of narn. Hoping to start a bandwagon
Finally, as more and more people hopped on narn, you saw it was a futile effort, and knowing what narn would come up as. You finally changed back to him.

So yeah, my gut says

vote: Babyjesus

. Let's see if that damn ol' thing can be trusted again.

[Changling bob]

FoS: BabyJesus

with Tyfo coming in second.

FoS: Tyfo

in case anyone wants to keep track.

[BabyJesus]

I also would like to point that babyjesus certainly can not make up his mind, and seemingly without reason. I can understand his first goal is to start a bandwagon without a good reason on day 1, cuz in his mind he believes the first one *cant* have a reason, but after I claimed he unvoted me ---- waited and saw that my bandwagon still had support, and then revoted me -- Don't you find that suspicious?

a) I'd rather lynch you then out the doc or cop
b) You admitted you do not have a power role...anyone else I could vote has not. Therefor you have a greater percentage chance of being scum then anyone else. There is alos very little risk in the lynch as it does nopt out the doc or cop, or another role we may want to keep hidden.

[Karo]

Err... Confirm vote Tyfo for the post you just put up? Sounds like a scum gambit to me.

You are right, I should've done that.

Vote: Tyfo

This is a bad vote. I agree there is a VERY good chance he's faking. But why take that chance?

You're right, I shouldn't have done tha-

Well anway, I'll closely watch the thread and may retract the vote if needed.
At the moment I think putting some pressure on Tyfo is a good thing.
As for your comment why we should take the chance, I don't know yet. I'll think about that and make a decision later on.

[Tyfo]

I was equally surprised that I was not nightkilled, and I guess the following options is possible;

1) The mafia has more than 1 kill, and I was protected by another doctor (is this even possible?)
2) The mafia wants to use me as their scapegoat by leaving me alive and killing another.
3) They thought that another victim might be the better kill.
4) I'm a lying scum.

I protected shelper; mainly because of post 270 - I was interested in what he had to say; and though that the mafia would be interested in killing him because of this insightful comment.

[BabyJesus]

FoS: BabyJesus

with Tyfo coming in second.

FoS: Tyfo

in case anyone wants to keep track.

why?

[Karo]

I was equally surprised that I was not nightkilled, and I guess the following options is possible;

1) The mafia has more than 1 kill, and I was protected by another doctor (is this even possible?)

Possible, but just as unlikely as kinky stuff like role deflectors/ blockers and such.

2) The mafia wants to use me as their scapegoat by leaving me alive and killing another.

Possible, but isn't this introducing what players call the Wine-In-Front-Of-Me-Debate?

a) You're the only claimed power-role. You lived, while a plain townie was killed.

conclusion:

You were lying about being a docter and you're scum.

b) Add a layer to that: The mafia let you live because then you would look suspicious to other players who would then lynch you.

conclusion:

You are the doc you claim to be.

c) And another: You and your mafia buddies want the town to assume the mafia avoided lynching you (see b)) as you looked shady by living through the night and that is actually why you are not suspicious, but rather appear as a victim of the mafia's plot. Cunning.

conclusion:

You are with the mafia.

d) ...

Okay, with c) it gets really improbable but I think I made my point: We could add more layers, but there would be no end to it and guessing which of these reverse-psychology tactics is the right one is pure speculation. This is why some players cut this whole story short by assuming the most obvious reasoning: a) You are scum.

3) They thought that another victim might be the better kill.

Why should LML be a better kill?

4) I'm a lying scum.

That's what I think.

Oh, and please someone correct me, if I misunderstood the wifom theory, this is the first time I try to apply it. Thanks.

[Tyfo]

About 2) the point in a"scapegoat" is to let a person look suspicious, so that the person would get target by the other players and the guilty would be free.

I do not know why they chose to kill LML, how would I know?

[Changling bob]

About 2) the point in a"scapegoat" is to let a person look suspicious, so that the person would get target by the other players and the guilty would be free.

I do not know why they chose to kill LML, how would I know?

The thing is, if you are the doc, and they leave you alive and assume we'll lynch you, then when people question whether we should or not, its bad for the scum. There is no reason for scum to kill one of their own. Hence, the longer you survive, the more we should lynch you. I personally would give you another night before actually wanting to lynch you, as without crazy setups with multiple killing groups and what-have-you, I find the possibility of two docs low. Although, as pointed out above, deflectors or other similar roles could come into the equation, Occam's razor says to ignore them for now until we get some kind of proof of them.

@BJ: Did you read the post directly above the one you quoted? I also find it strange that you're happy to continue the random bandwagon logic, attempting to push one on me, as you did yesterday to no avail.

[BabyJesus]

@BJ: Did you read the post directly above the one you quoted? I also find it strange that you're happy to continue the random bandwagon logic, attempting to push one on me, as you did yesterday to no avail.

by vote on you is not random, it is because you were protecting the f'ing godfather.

[Changling bob]

by vote on you is not random, it is because you were protecting the f'ing godfather.

I was not protecting the godfather, I was not advocating lynching someone who claimed townie, and turned out to be the godfather. I admit it makes me look bad, but that's happened to several people, and besides, there are better people to be looking at than me.

[BabyJesus]

by vote on you is not random, it is because you were protecting the f'ing godfather.

I was not protecting the godfather, I was not advocating lynching someone who claimed townie, and turned out to be the godfather. I admit it makes me look bad, but that's happened to several people, and besides, there are better people to be looking at than me.

you were defending the godfather. Don't try to spin your way out of it.

[BabyJesus]

About 2) the point in a"scapegoat" is to let a person look suspicious, so that the person would get target by the other players and the guilty would be free.

I do not know why they chose to kill LML, how would I know?

The thing is, if you are the doc, and they leave you alive and assume we'll lynch you, then when people question whether we should or not, its bad for the scum. There is no reason for scum to kill one of their own. Hence, the longer you survive, the more we should lynch you. I personally would give you another night before actually wanting to lynch you, as without crazy setups with multiple killing groups and what-have-you, I find the possibility of two docs low. Although, as pointed out above, deflectors or other similar roles could come into the equation, Occam's razor says to ignore them for now until we get some kind of proof of them.

@BJ: Did you read the post directly above the one you quoted? I also find it strange that you're happy to continue the random bandwagon logic, attempting to push one on me, as you did yesterday to no avail.

anyway, on the doc. We still have our cop I believe? So there is some incentive for the scum to avoid a claimed doc to try and hit the hidden cop. Especially if it makes the town decide to lynch the claimed doc. If/when the cop comes out, that changes things. At that point, they HAVE to kill the claimed doc (if he is not one of them), or risk the cop continuing to get views.

Personally, so I know if Tyfo really is doc? no. But I do not think we should lynch him today. He's already out on a limb - face it, if he is scum, he WILL die. He's not gonna be able to carry a doc fake to endgame. But IF he is telling the truth, no way should we lynch him.

[BabyJesus]

Also, I noticed earlier in the thread mlaker (now Blackberry) defending Narninian. He'd be a solid choice to runup as well.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Checking in, need to re-read the thread. Later.

[LyingBrian]

@BabyJesus:

i understand your logic as to why we should not lynch Tyfo TODAY, and i agree...

but at the same time i do not believe we should let him live until endgame...

if you are scum, this is a perfect play, b/c it makes you look like you are trying to help the town, while at the same time you are protecting a scummate...

we could use the hidden cop to investigate Tyfo (maybe that has already happened) then tomorrow if Tyfo is still alive & scum, the cop can come forward & be protected by the "true" hidden doc...

[Karo]

I admit it makes me look bad, but that's happened to several people, and besides, there are better people to be looking at than me.

Who, and why?

[BabyJesus]

@BabyJesus:

i understand your logic as to why we should not lynch Tyfo TODAY, and i agree...

but at the same time i do not believe we should let him live until endgame...

Of course not. I merely think we should wait until either 1) the real doc dies, or 2) the cop comes out.

Once this happens I think we'll have more info. I'm just not willing to risk killing the doc today.

[Changling bob]

Tyfo as his surviving looks too suspicious to me. Maybe thats just gut. I don't know.

BJ. Gut. Plus bandwagondancing yesterday, and always with the refusing to answer accusations against him.

[LyingBrian]

@BabyJesus:

for once, i think we agree on something...

vote: Changling bob

@Changling bob:

funny that your gut says the person who is voting for you is scum!?!

[Changling bob]

funny that your gut says the person who is voting for you is scum!?!

Yes, but if there was a bandwagon on anyone else, he would move to it, as evidenced by every single vote change of his yesterday.

[BabyJesus]

funny that your gut says the person who is voting for you is scum!?!

Yes, but if there was a bandwagon on anyone else, he would move to it, as evidenced by every single vote change of his yesterday.

so basically we have
BabyJesus - willing to vote for godfather
Changling Bob - NOT willing to vote for godfather


keep spinning, scum!