Mini 245 - Stick Figures Mafia - Game Over!

Bacde · Post Post #425 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:25 pm

But as already stated, since the doc isn't protecting anyone, the chances of choosing correctly and protecting against a kill is minimal.

BabyJesus · Post Post #426 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:22 pm

Bacde wrote:But as already stated, since the doc isn't protecting anyone, the chances of choosing correctly and protecting against a kill is minimal.

we're not keeping the doc alive in hopes of a block, that is gravy. We're keeping the doc alive, because the cop is still hidden, and as long as the doc is alive, the cop is guaranteed an extra night if/when he comes out.

BrianMcQueso · Post Post #427 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:33 pm

BabyJesus · Post Post #428 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:12 am

Interesting that changling bob is voting me, instead of the other claimed doc....

Karo · Post Post #429 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:40 am

Bacde wrote:Mathcam seems to be a good voice of reason, wanting us to lynch one of our two claimed docs, but I just want to let it be known right now that I think Karo is scum.

Taking a subtle shot at poor Karo, don't we? My reasoning was similar to that of mathcam. If you think I'm scum, vote me.

Changling bob · Post Post #430 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:42 am

BabyJesus wrote:Interesting that changling bob is voting me, instead of the other claimed doc....

I find it interesting that this agrees with your point of not killing either of us to keep the real doc alive, and yet you still have to bring it up.

BabyJesus · Post Post #431 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:54 am

Changling bob wrote:
BabyJesus wrote:Interesting that changling bob is voting me, instead of the other claimed doc....
I find it interesting that this agrees with your point of not killing either of us to keep the real doc alive, and yet you still have to bring it up.

Because

I

don't know which of you are lying.

YOU

supposedly do. It is interesting that you not voting Tyfo is keeping the real doc alive....

I'm still not voting you, as I think Blackberry is the best lynch today. Just making a comment.

Changling bob · Post Post #432 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:23 am

It neither helps nor hinders my position to vote for Tyfo. I know he's lying, and haven't really got any evidence to back this up to convince anyone else with. Seeing as there isn't really a big 'me or him' thing going on, I'm going to put my vote where I think it will be the most use.

On that note, I'm going to step back from myself now and say this:

Do you have any other evidence towards a blackberry lynch? Noting that blackberry hasn't replied to your accusation in 401, does anyone have any pressing reasons that we shouldn't lynch him?

I will probably get time to go through this thread properly again in the next few days, and will post any further thoughts then.

Unvote

LyingBrian · Post Post #433 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:14 am

unvote

vote: Blackberry

Bacde · Post Post #434 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:27 pm

I have to whole-heartedly agree with the sign I am holding up. And my awesome hairstyle. Way better than the mathcam poo-style.

Dragon Phoenix · Post Post #435 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:29 pm

Vote Blackberry

I still think lynching one of the claimed docs is the wrong play. And a Blackberry lynch should give us some information.

mathcam · Post Post #436 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:14 am

There's no way that scum's going to kill one of the two of them tonight, and then we're left in the same boat tomorrow. If "Why today?" is such an important question, then consider also "Why tomorrow?" or "Why the day after that?" Our numbers

decrease

as the game goes on, meaning we won't always have the luxury of being able to be okay with sacrificing a townie to get a doc. On top of this, there are several small factors which contribute to making the "Keep the doc alive to save the cop" plan...first, this totally neglects the existence of a back-up doc. Second, as the game goes on, the usefulness of a cop's early investigations decrease, as som eof the townies will be dead by the time he reveals. This is further exaggerated by the fact that early investigations will most likely be town...if a cop hasn't revealed by day 2, he probably hasn't pegged two scum (or is unsure of his sanity, which is another issue).

I'm not saying that lynching a claimed doc is guaranteeing us a scum (in fact, I think I'm the only one who seems to have expressed the possibility, however small, that they might both be telling the truth). But I just don't see how lynching Blackberry could be a better play than lynching someone with a 50/50 shot of being mafia. In fact, I think Tyfo's significantly more likely to be scum since CB claimed afterwards. So can someone explain to me how we're all so sure that blackberry is scum (say, better than a 50/50 shot)?

Cam

BabyJesus · Post Post #437 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:45 am

mathcam wrote:There's no way that scum's going to kill one of the two of them tonight, and then we're left in the same boat tomorrow. If "Why today?" is such an important question, then consider also "Why tomorrow?" or "Why the day after that?"

Skimmer, because the cop is still alive. You really think they're going to let the doc live if/when the cop comes out? If the cop is dead, then the power of the doc is drastically reduced. Right now though, keeping him alive guarantees us an extra night for the cop while the doc lives.

fos at mathcam

mathcam · Post Post #438 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:10 am

Skimmer?

No, I don't think they'd keep the doc alive. The question is whether or not it's worth letting a mafia stay alive, and risk running out of time to lynch them all, to let the cop stay alive an extra day. This may seem obvious at first, but I assure you it's not. The cop may die independently before then, in which case we've just left the mafia alive for absolutely no gain. The cop's sanity may not be known, meaning we have even more wrong lynches before we get to an actual scum. There may be a back-up doc that can save the day instead. There may be a godfather, limiting the usefulness of the cop even further. I could go on.

If we believe that they can't both be docs, we have a guaranteed shot at hitting scum within the next two days. We'll still have the cop info when he comes out. This is better than anything that anyone else has offered.

Cam

BabyJesus · Post Post #439 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:13 am

mathcam wrote:
Skimmer
?

No, I don't think they'd keep the doc alive. The question is whether or not it's worth letting a mafia stay alive, and risk running out of time to lynch them all, to let the cop stay alive an extra day. This may seem obvious at first, but I assure you it's not. The cop may die independently before then, in which case we've just left the mafia alive for absolutely no gain. The cop's sanity may not be known, meaning we have even more wrong lynches before we get to an actual scum. There may be a back-up doc that can save the day instead.
There may be a godfather, limiting the usefulness of the cop even further
. I could go on.

If we believe that they can't both be docs, we have a guaranteed shot at hitting scum within the next two days. We'll still have the cop info when he comes out. This is better than anything that anyone else has offered.

Cam

Yes, you're a skimmer. We lynched the godfather D1. It's now D2. I think we can afford to give the "docs" a day and see what happens.

mathcam · Post Post #440 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:16 am

Okay, fair point. That doesn't say anything about the other collection of caveats I posted, though. Or do you have replies to any of those?

Cam

BabyJesus · Post Post #441 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:12 am

mathcam wrote:Okay, fair point. That doesn't say anything about the other collection of caveats I posted, though. Or do you have replies to any of those?

Cam

certainly, next game it certainly could be viable to take our shot at one of the claimed docs. I simply think TODAY, day two, having lynched the godfather D1 and a hidden cop, the best play is to let it go for now and see what happens. Whicher one of them is scum isn;t going anywhere.

Karo · Post Post #442 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:14 am

Couldn't it also be possible that the mafioso we managed to pin down (at the cost of one doc) also has some sort of ability, like mafia-investigator or mafia-roleblocker or something? In that case it would be better to lynch one of them right now.

shelper · Post Post #443 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:27 am

(in fact, I think I'm the only one who seems to have expressed the possibility, however small, that they might both be telling the truth).

Ha-herm...

As for the game at hand, i'm honestly stumped. What is berry's wagon based off again? His suggestion for the cop to come out combined with his refusal to lynch narn day 1?

BabyJesus · Post Post #444 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:28 am

shelper wrote:
(in fact, I think I'm the only one who seems to have expressed the possibility, however small, that they might both be telling the truth).
Ha-herm...

As for the game at hand, i'm honestly stumped. What is berry's wagon based off again? His suggestion for the cop to come out combined with his refusal to lynch narn day 1?

yes. although I am more concerned with who didn't want to lynch narninian.

Bacde · Post Post #445 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:24 am

Oh duh, idea. We have our hidden cop investigate one of the docs. Seeing how the GF is already dead, this would garuntee us a scum lynch tommorow unless the cop dies in the night. Thus we'd just need our cop to come out tommorow.

BabyJesus · Post Post #446 (ISO) » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:52 am

Not to mention, I've seen Blackberry post elsewhere on site. Yet he mysteriously lurks and hides now with some heat on him. It's been 9 days since his last post in this thread. But he's around.

Dragon Phoenix · Post Post #447 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:31 am

I don't think the cop should check a claimed doctor. We KNOW one of them is scum (yes, mathcam, there is a 0.00321% chance they are both docs), and that will sort itself out with the help of the scum as soon as the cop comes out. The cop would do far better to check one of the unknown quantities.

mathcam · Post Post #448 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:22 am

Fine, fine.

Unvote: Likely Scum, Vote: Possibly scum.

Sorry, forgot to put names in:

Unvote: Tyfo, Vote: Blackberry.

Cam

Karo · Post Post #449 (ISO) » Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:24 am

That's five, if I'm not mistaken. Time to claim. Blackberry, are you a doc too?

And I agree with DP, the cop shouldn't waste a night-action on one of the claimed docs. I'd recommend one of those who have not voted on Narninian, which leaves... me (given BB is lynched). I'm fine with that. Make your choice.