Reckamonic's WoW Mafia (Over)

[Krazy]

vote Gollum

Reasons:
1-He's trying to steal my ring
2-RVS
3-Profit.

I played World of Warcraft several years ago, before any of the expansion packs.

I think we should do an RQS where everyone adds a question, until it gets too long or whatever:

-What is your experience with World of Warcraft?

[Krazy]

jesus christ that thread is 200 pages.

WHAT in OOT mafia are we looking for here exactly to make sense of this string of mod votes?

[Krazy]

Okay, but two things:

1 - do we know that Reck is actively aligned with the enemy? (btw... who is our enemy in this setup?)

2 - if not, is there a chance that Reck is aligned with the town?

3 - if we lynch him today and nothing happens, and then lynch him tomorrow, and nothing happens either day, aren't we basically giving any scumteam two free nights to kill?

4 - how do we know that certain factions will not become more powerful after his death? What if one of the people pushing for his lynch need his blood/head/etc. for extra power? I played in a bastard mod like this over marathon.

[Krazy]

So it seems there is a third force afoot here, something other than horde and alliance? If both horde and alliance win when "there are no more threats to Azeroth" then perhaps third party forces........ like the mod....... could be lynched.

I was under the impression that we're not supposed to quote PMs. What other third parties could there be? SK? Fool? Lyncher? Cult? If Lyncher or Fool won, would the game end, or would they simply fulfill their win conditions and everyone else would keep playing?

[Krazy]

People said that whenever I asked questions like that during the Marathon, and every time I was town and the people claiming it was scum were scum themselves. Asking role questions about a weird setup is not scummy; however, snapping at anyone trying to get a sense of what the hell is going on certainly is. Do you already have all the answers about how this setup works, Lamdadelta, that you don't need to ask questions because you already know who, or what, the opposing factions are?

[Krazy]

Actually this post is weird... he doesn't ask for what I find scummy about him... he instead jumps to a conclusion about what was scummy in his post...

Almost like he was looking for his own scum tells to try and avoid them?

Or maybe you're just really obvious? Keep practicing.

[Krazy]

unvote

Cult please take me I don't want to be on the side of the town anymore

[Krazy]

Daykill: Krazy

If that really happened, shouldn't a moderator be stepping in here somewhere?

Oh by the way, I'm the bomb.

[Krazy]

Due to my role this is really the best thing that could have happened if he's telling the truth.

Seriously, I am probably a bigger liability to the town than I am anything else. My role would be great if I had any way of confirming it, but without any confirmation it's a joke.

[Krazy]

Not only was I town-aligned, I was immune to recruitment.

I was your anti-cult. But I'm assuming I'm dead now.

[Krazy]

Why the hell not?

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Krazy

. You are a

Female Troll

.

Class: Elemental Shaman

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Da Voodoo Mon!

- You are so sunk in your own culture that you cannot be converted to any other cause.

Ligthning Shield

- You have three charges of your lightning shield. The first three people to target you during the game will die.

Active Abilities:

Earth Shock

- You may choose to vig, which will use up any remaining charges on your lightning shield.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

[Krazy]

Unfortunately I already confirmed that my vig ability is night only.

[Krazy]

yeah, I was hoping to get lynched since at this point I was pretty much vig-bait anyway, which would just kill the vig. Or if watcher/detective/etc. targeted me = dead.

It's a total catch-22 role in this setup.

If I reveal, the cult will never target me.

If I don't reveal, trackers/detectives/masons will target me.

So yeah, my "please recruit me cult" was me basically trying to get lynched because my role was too much of a liability to the town.

[Krazy]

Am I not dead?

[Krazy]

Hey guys is there cult in this game? Sorry I didn't read the rules.

XD

[Krazy]

Role pm quotes are allowed according to the rules. I've double-checked that like three times.

[Krazy]

Sucks is I have no idea if my ability would wear off when I die, so I probably can't even be res'd.

[Krazy]

the capslock people play this game like marathon postspam.

I am thrilled to be dead and out of it honestly

mason or not they should be dead because they're just going to spam wagons at literally nothingness for the whole game. Best friends a maf could have.

[Krazy]

amInotdead?

[Krazy]

If I'm not dead

vote katsuki

not buying this mason bs claim anymore.

[Krazy]

I'm a night-vig, I can't have targetted people yet. I know it doesn't say so in the role pm but Reck confirmed. Or are you asking if I already targetted for a nightkill? That would be stupid before nightfall. Plus I lose my PGO powers if I shoot, so unless I have a really good reason I probably won't shoot tonight.

[Krazy]

Also, Christ, I only check this thread every few hours, not every few MINUTES, hold your damn horses.

[Krazy]

Arthas what am I supposed to think when you keep saying you're going to go talk in the QT? What are you softclaiming? Mason, cult, or scum? Why are you softclaiming at all? Or did I miss some hardclaim 5 pages back?

[Krazy]

Arthas, yo, you said your first real vote was on me.

Then later you said:

He was obvtown because he did nothing scummy and a shittastic wagon appeared on him out of fucking nowhere
everyone on the wagon is equally stupid, and it's a complete nulltell

sup with that bro? (or bros, rather?)

[Krazy]

Can two people in a hydra be on different sides?

[Krazy]

I'll be replacing Dark Horse, thank you very much.

The first thing I want you to do is read the rules 5 times.

Then read the thread.

I dunno, I don't think anyone here read the rules once before PARTICIPATING in the thread!

[Krazy]

Why don't you masonize me and find out katsuki?

[Krazy]

Non-recruiting masons in a 20+ player game...

[Krazy]

how do we know their masonry is fake?

[Krazy]

unvote; vote InflatablePie

Not a fan of fake claims that make me RR, and honestly at this point I have absolutely no idea why you faked a role reveal after it was basically confirmed your vig-shot was fake anyway. Totally pointless and very anti-town.

[Krazy]

The anti-town part is not the fake-vig-shot, that at least might have a plausible town excuse. What REALLY does not make sense to me is the fake role-reveal. That just doesn't make sense to me. So yes, that is the part that right now seems anti-town to me.

-You faked shooting me, this part is sort of OK (although I don't like it... at all... but it doesn't make you scum)
-You at this point had to know that I would not die
-You then HARDCLAIMED day-vig anyway. Originally this might have been because you thought you were going to die... but if you knew you weren't going to die, why did you do it?

[Krazy]

It lends credibility to his day-kill, but then makes him a lynch target because he not only lied to the town but then lied even harder again... which makes him a GARGANTUAN distraction rather than a merely HUGE one. The tunnelers tunnel easier etc. etc.

So I ask, if you did it really to continue to get reactions, why did you think it would not blow up in your face afterwards?

[Krazy]

Also, if the dwarf ability confirms that there is redirection in this game, then it's very possible that I should be lynched today anyway because otherwise up to three people are going to be thrown at me tonight = mass death.

Although maybe we could keep me alive and try that anyway JUST FOR LULZ TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS

[Krazy]

But... but.. I don't WANT to think...

But I can think of reasons why you would maintain the fake role.

-You are suicidal and for some reason want to be vig'd
-You want to be lynched
-You are cult and want to out abilities and get a clearer sense of the game for your allies
-YOU ARE INCEPTION
http://inception.davepedu.com/

But yeah, most of that is pretty improbable. And if not improbable, NOT MY PROBLEM

/rage

unvote

Am I just supposed to read LLD's iso or was there a nutshell case against them somewhere?

[Krazy]

EBWOP the above was at iPie

[Krazy]

Can someone that doesn't post purely in CAPS please log on?

Fate stop baiting Vigs yourself.

[Krazy]

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE NEED TO POST MORE:
02. The Fonz
05. Mothrax
11. demonhybrid
12. mockingjaye

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE NEED TO POST AT ALL:
17. Substrike22
20. Sathoris

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE NEED TO GET BACK FROM VACATION:
23. AKnottedRope

[Krazy]

I'm a stump because I thought I was dead and started to rejoice... god everything about this game is just a cruel joke.

I would feel a lot better if the two people who have yet to post contribute SOMETHING before we reach page 20.

[Krazy]

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE NEED TO POST MORE:
02. The Fonz
05. Mothrax
11. demonhybrid
12. mockingjaye

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE NEED TO POST AT ALL:
17. Substrike22
20. Sathoris

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE NEED TO GET BACK FROM VACATION:
23. AKnottedRope

Mod prod anyone in this list that can be prodded and hasn't been prodded yet... like the people that never confirmed or the people that have yet to post in particular

[Krazy]

What is wrong with their iso's then, they're not showing up for me.

[Krazy]

Oh, okay. Yes, I am only interested in their participation in this thread. Are you saying they're lurking then or what?

[Krazy]

The thing about LLD is that he did successfully catch that my asking about "cult" early on was sort of strange (I was sort of fishing at the time since my role was recruitment-immune). But that might mean LLD is cult himself... but somehow I'm not getting a strong scum (as in, night-killing) feel from him, more likely third party. But I do really want to lynch a CAPSer..

Katsuki friend-bussing him is interesting tho. Early distancing?

Also want to hear more from Vezok on him not following up on his "catch" on toog.

unvote; vote LLD

I still feel like we might have a chance of finding scum today, but I'm fine taking a crack at a third party too.

Arthas is a complete null-tell for me right now. He's (they've) flipped so many opinions that the hydra is clearly at odds with itself.

[Krazy]

AKR, actually I thought the mason question was legit based on what they were doing. I am not a fan of CAPS-spam and joking hardclaims in what may or may not be simple trolling or an attempt to be ignored.

[Krazy]

Wait why is substrike scum again?

[Krazy]

Been reading a couple isos since I haven't really been thrilled with my vote on LLD, and the Agar/Bunnylover cross is getting more interesting to me than the Toog/Vezok cross. I'm getting good vibes from Starbuck, but maybe that's just because I like BSG.

Alright, everyone we are lynching Reckamonic today and will test if they need to be lynch tomorrow.

Pretty much your first post in the game, and you're saying if we don't lynch Reck, we will try to lynch him again tomorrow. I think you've already been poked about this but it still bothers me. At the time, this could have easily produced a failwagon that would end day1 pointlessly.

I disagree with this. Scum are more then likely not a class that players can pick (according to other people like the Lich King could be scum), which mean they don't know any kind of bonus town would have unless its in their fake claim.

I just have no idea why you would assume Scum are more likely to be a class players can't pick. I think someone might have already poked you about this too.

A fake day kill on a person who is a PGO just seems so unlikely that it was setup.
I can't remember if we had day chat during OoT =/.
This is why you lynch all liars, because lieing causes WIFOM =/.

Wait. You remember the nature of your fake PM in OoT, but you can't remember if you had day chat?

I'm more then sure

their

have to be another one who can settle this before Vezo gets on.

Please, just once, use "there" instead of "their". Sorry I had to say it.

I'll unvote him to prevent a quick lynch.

Unvote

I'm not sure there really was a threat of a quick lynch at this point, and... what? If you believe he's scum, then why hold off on the lynch? If you aren't sure if he's scum or not, wouldn't you want to keep the pressure on?

And what Vezo is saying about the catch is that it doesn't have the "Reck thing like every other claim. This means you just joined a wagon you have no idea why it has started.

Your vote on Agar is that you claim he didn't understand Vezok's claim, and I have read both your critique and his vote like five times now and I just don't understand where you came up with that.

Its pretty much opportunistic scum bandwagoning.
Most of the people joining the Toog wagon is doing so because of what Vezo has posted.
I think Agar had said he agree with that, but then goes off on something that Vezo wasn't even talking about which was the "catch".
That means Agar is just joining the bandwagoning just to get someone lynched.
Basically:
Here's the reason Toog is been voted.
Agar explains his vote which has nothing to do with why Toog is been voted.
Agar just joined a wagon he has no understanding of which makes me view him as scum.

I have to agree that Agar was pretty much just flat bandwagoning, which CAN be scum, but can also just be... well, band-wagoning.

I'm not sure Agar's post was really commenting on the catch as an explanation for his vote; I think the entire explanation of his vote was "nice catch Vezo" or whatever he said.

I also don't like the way Agar basically tunnels on Vezo and then after his one catch flips around and joins with him, but right now I'm not liking the trend in your posts toward ultra-sensitive positioning Bunny. I'll give you a chance but right now my vote is gravitating toward you.

[Krazy]

@Krazy: I meant we would lynch Reck, then lynch them again (in case they had like a reviver ability) as in OoT they were anti-town and I believe had two different roles (therefore had to be lynched twice. As we all found out, Reck isn't in the game (for now <_<).

I can understand you would be skeptical of Reck based on your experience in OoT, but if the first lynch this game had gone nowhere... would you really expect a second lynch to go somewhere? I mean really?

A quicklynch prevents information from been gather by the town. It also allows scum to bus without taken much notice (imo).
Ultra sensitive? Can you explain what that means to me? Its true that townie's do bandwagon at times. But I believe that Agar was trying to give himself an excuse to vote Toog without looking like he was bandwagoning.

I know that a quicklynch would be problematic, but was a "quicklynch" really probable at that point? Moving off a wagon just to avoid a quicklynch when a quicklynch seems improbable makes it seem more like you want to appear cautious and pro-town when really you're just positioning yourself (this is what I meant by ultrasenstive).

[Krazy]

So play?

Mod already asked them to stop too yo, iirc.

[Krazy]

Alright Bunny, I'm not going to vote you now, but I still got my eye on you (not that that means anything with my class).

Anyway, next batch:

Baby Spice - you have said cPie and iPie are both equally good lynches. So, why did you choose iPie instead of cPie?

Benmage - Although a few people have mounted some skepticism as to whether or not your dayrecruit was fake or not, I just want you to reiterate: are we supposed to take your dayrecruit seriously? And are you then hardclaiming mason or what?

Bearing in mind this game is now well cult-confirmed, is there any reason to not suspect you of cult over mason?

[Krazy]

Is Gollum another hydra? Or who is Nero?

[Krazy]

The sooner this lynch gets pushed through the better.

unvote; vote Fate

[Krazy]

@inHimshallibe:

Vote Fate.

LLD is probably 3rd party but Fate is mafia as fuck.

Also, yeah, I GUESS you could read the thread.

[Krazy]

His case is "hey look at me I am trying to humorously deflect attention off myself by pretending to be resisting an addiction to WoW so let's lynch someone else"

[Krazy]

I think Fate is going the full nine yards and being such obvscum that people will think he can't possibly be that obvscum if he's really scum.

[Krazy]

This is why you were forced to claim so early, you clearly are not good at this game.

I can't wait until you all bow down and praise me when LLD flips scum, or-even more funny-accuse me of bussing or some crazy shit.

Got WIFOM?

[Krazy]

Krazy if you could, get rid of your electric shields. A redirecter towards you can kill off a lot of pro-townies.

A redirector with a deathwish, you mean?

[Krazy]

So how often does your post restriction make you talk in caps, Fate? Once every page or more?

[Krazy]

I approve of LLD jailing me.

I strongly approve of it.

[Krazy]

Why do you want to know? Do you want me to get rid of it?

Drivers who drive into me will die themselves. It's not an issue.

Also, you didn't need to bold it. I hesitated to answer because it took forever to get a straight answer from Reck.

[Krazy]

Except the ability is passive and will always go off.

[Krazy]

The orbs if I used the ability would still last through the night.

Happy now?

[Krazy]

That being said, I still don't plan to use the ability--unless I have a very sweet target--when any driver that tries to drive people into me will die.

[Krazy]

Waaaait did iPie just put LLD at L-1?

[Krazy]

LLD is definitely at least at L-1, I just don't know if the "forcevote: Tragedy" thing was real or not; if it was, then iPie's vote was indeed the hammer.

[Krazy]

The red/blue confusion I think could easily be a legit slip, but faked claim is fake.

vote Tragedy

[Krazy]

In other news, there were three deaths last night.

iPie, were any of them yours?

[Krazy]

LOL, the passive is passive because you can only use one active ability per round, so to use both abilities one has to be passive, and the "female doctor" is a doctor of women... hilarious.

Tragedy claiming the mods made a mistake, then, doesn't make sense. Instead it seems like Tragedy just didn't understand her role PM? Tragedy, who did you try to protect last night with your active ability?

I'm not sure I'm convinced yet, but this is such a convoluted roleclaim when combined with her actions that I will

unvote

for now. The day is young anyway.

Benmage, are you ever going to explain what the hell is up with these "dayrecruit" things?

[Krazy]

unvote; vote Benmage

Not liking the continued reluctance to explain the "dayrecruit" BS and also not liking this "are there scum in this game derpaderpaderp?"

[Krazy]

So the wagon on BS currently is "Fate said so"

Am I reading this right?

[Krazy]

Yeah that's great except there's absolutely no doubt on my mind right now that there is scum on the BS wagon.

Out of every vote post on BS, how many even bother to reiterate why they are voting? How many of them show they even understand the vote?

Of those that don't, how many are anything other than: Fate said so; or, BS needs pressure. Half of them spend their post talking about other people and then end with a vote on BS.

Without anyone even trying to make sense of it, it's very hard to tell whether the whole damn thing is third parties and scum or just sheep.

[Krazy]

Fine whatever.

unvote; vote BS

[Krazy]

I'm sort of V/LA until Sunday.

Also, I want to kill myself. (In the game, not irl).

Seriously Fate. Just what. the. fuck.

[Krazy]

No I shot Fate. I just wanted to die after the flip last night. Maybe now that my shields are gone the scum will kill me.

[Krazy]

LLD (13)

: Fate, Katsuki, Arthas, drmyshottyizsik, AGar, Chronopie, Bunnylover, Baby Spice, Substrike22, Starbuck, InflatablePie, AKR, Benmage

Baby Spice (11)

: Toogleloo, Fate, Katsuki, Gollum, AGar, Chronopie, AKR, Benmage, Arthas, InflatablePie, Krazy

Common People on Those Wagons

: AGar, AKR, Arthas, Benmage, Chronopie, InflatablePie, Katsuki

--

AGar's Case

- Voted LLD [Sheep Vote]
- Voted BS [Hop-On-The-Wagon Vote?]

AKR's Case

- Voted LLD [Horrible-Scumminess Detected from Her + Hammer]
- Voted BS [Fate threatens him]

Arthas' Case

- Voted LLD [LLD's Fucked Up Claim]
- Voted BS [Really Convinced in a Raging Way]

Benmage's Case

- Voted LLD [Hop-On-The-Wagon (Hammer)]
- Voted BS [Hop-On-The-Wagon Hammer]

ChronoPie's Case

- Voted LLD [Based on Contradiction]
- Voted BS [Convinced of Lynch by Fate]

InflatablePie's Case

- Voted LLD [Based on AtE]
- Voted BS [Convinced of Lynch by Fate]

Katsuki's Case

- Voted LLD [Based on LLD deflecting attention of 'Scum DayTalking']
- Voted BS [Non-confirmed Reason]

--

I find this ironically ridiculous that Fate convinced practically everyone with his epic reasoning.
I still don't get why Benmage's suddenly bandwagoning yet not really looking suspicious. I find this awkward.

Tragedy, thank you for this wonderful post, but doesn't a lot of your work here somewhat rest on the presupposition that scum are more likely to join both town-lynching wagons rather than just one or the other? I mean among people who are still alive, people who were only on one wagon or another is limited to me, Gollum, and Bunnylover (unless I'm missing someone, which I probably am). It seems like to avoid being called as a scum-pair, scum would want to resist being on both wagons for precisely wagon analysis like this.

[Krazy]

vote Gollum

Something about Gollum's posts just really bother me. I feel like for two of them, their posts feel very restrained. They do make some points (like the "He" vs. "They" in role PMs... which I actually was thinking myself but have yet to make up my mind on). It's also interesting that his first post is like "Here are some thoughts! N STUFF!" and after that he's like... I dunno, slinky. There's nothing I can really bullshit and try to pin him to because nothing he says is all that unreasonable... which just bothers me more. Not sure if this vote is really going to do much but it's my thoughts for the moment.

[Krazy]

I just feel like scum can just lurk their way to victory in this game =/. Not sure if its because were all not sure what exactly were up against or what >_<.

And I'm still the only one bothered by Gollum's posts?

[Krazy]

It is NOT outside the realm of possibility that you, Arthas, are scum simply because your name got it for you.


Just sayin'...

This and meta-game BS makes me think we should lynch one of the two hydras today. I'm obviously leaning Gollum but... yeah. I'm tempted to believe Hydras have strong PRs, so leaving both hydras up with so many townies dead seems increasingly risky. But that's just presupposition.

[Krazy]

I'm gonna let Gandalf handle idiot control, because I'd be raging even more than he is right now at the fucking assclownery i'm reading from Toog, Krazy and whoever the third dumbass was.
My god.

I was actually saying to lynch Gollum but thanks for flipping your shit over literally nothing.

[Krazy]

Hey guys, VI here. Why are we lynching the person whose role says Doctor and not the person whose role says Doc?

[Krazy]

Unvote; vote: toog

Haven't read in a while. Just caught a wagon and saw the reasons for it. Damn late, but damn good catch too.

Posts like this are still why my vote is on Gollum. I mean come on.

[Krazy]

Krazy's roleclaim

I shot Fate. Read back.

[Krazy]

I'm not very happy with how Gollum is basically coasting this entire game, and I'm even less happy with how so many people are willing to ignore him. My vote is staying on him, I'm not convinced with the Doc/Doctor dispute, and among them I am pretty skeptical we have the CL. Could Gollum be the CL? Hell yes he could, and is Gollum active pro-town? No he's not.

[Krazy]

I see maybeee 1 lynch that's another possibility, and that's Krazy's point on Gollum, but if we want to lynch coasting, why not pick off Mothrax or iHsib, who aren't providing much either. Why Gollum in particular?

Well, the thing about iHsib is it doesn't even seem like he's pretending to try to appear active. Gollum seems more like he's trying not to get lynched for being inactive while also not actually confronting anyone on anything. There's also the simple fact that Gollum is a hydra, and such restrained posting from two players rather than one just strikes me as twice as suspicious.

After Mothrax's interactions with Tragedy, I could see him as scum, but I don't see him as CL for similar reasons to iHsib.

[Krazy]

An additional thought.

Since Trag, Toog, and Chrono are all role-revealed players who are NOT immune to recruitment, all of them are +1 for being culted, either by now or by tomorrow. Interesting that despite them both being leading wagons (between Toog and Trag), none are voting each other. That's almost like a -1 for both Substrike and Sathoris being CL. IMO, Gollum as Cl is looking better and better.

[Krazy]

Btw guys, I love bunnies.

We agree that bunnies taste good.

The game is stalling. All those with useless votes or no vote should switch to Trag or Toog.

Gollum is right, we should be lynching him faster.

[Krazy]

I have a feeling Krazy is trying to get us to claim ever since our scene with Chrono... What was your reason for suspecting us again, Kraz? I remember it being along the lines of vibes/gut/bull.

Actually, I never said you should claim. It's interesting that the first thing you jump to is "I should claim" though. I don't like how you haven't ever really pursued a place on any player or really contributed anything, despite there being two of you. Instead you're lurking, sitting back and taking little snipes at people. In a game where the town is basically jumping at anything for a lynch on someone, it seems like people with your playstyle are really the scummiest. You seem paranoid, reactionary, lurkish, and scummy.

[Krazy]

I'll let you handle this one, Golly. Go easy on this one.. or not.

This is a post in which you explain why you're not posting. Thanks for that.

Did I mention lurkiness as a reason my vote is on you?

[Krazy]

Why not mothrax? I mean Gollum is still scummier but if we're inactivity hunting, seems like mothrax is #1. I would be down with either a mothrax or a Gollum lynch today, but obviously prefer a Gollum lynch.

[Krazy]

You can tack on new reasons all you want (lurking, for example). Your initial reason for voting us has nothing to do with lurking.

But yeah I'm lurking. Shit's getting intense over in [REDACTED] so I've been letting/hoping Nero would pick up the slack here.[/color]

Who said shit about chrono? There's two of you, lurking has absolutely everything to do with why I'm voting you. But since you seem to think that's why I think you're scummy, go ahead and explain your thing on chrono too.

[Krazy]

I would support a mothrax lynch, but if we got him to L-1 it would take him three days to claim.

[Krazy]

This is nothing more than gut. You're throwing around the word lynch as if you're sold on us being scum, when here, your REASON for voting is gut. Don't bullshit a bullshitter. I know you want to know why I went after Chrono. I've been playing this game long enough to recognize all forms of role-gauging.

You can tack on new reasons all you want (lurking, for example). Your initial reason for voting us has nothing to do with lurking..

So guys this seems to be about all we're going to get out of Gollum. What do we got here, after literally days:

-Deflects onto the Chronopie vote
-Downplays as "gut"
-Goes back to hardlurking
-Offers no new contribution or FoS, literally only comes out to defend a bit then go back.

I hate the term obvscum, but... come on, he's literally lurking and HOPING I GO AWAY. This is from not one, but two players, the other of which RUNS AWAY COMPLETELY.

I know the Doc/Doctor thing has everyone all in a tizzy, and Toog and Trag both have problems with them, but Gollum, mothrax, et. al are pretty much just hoping for us to chase our own tails while they coast to an easy win. This hydra is scum. Let's lynch it in a fire. Mmkay?

[Krazy]

I think it's rather self-evident that all non-Toog/Tragedy voters need to stop being pricks. It doesn't even really matter which one we lynch since they're both scum, but right now, Tragedy has more votes so that's where my vote is.

You just said that the crux of your vote is that you're bandwagoning and said that anyone that doesn't mindlessly sheep a lynch that is still only halfway to a lynch is a "prick." Get over yourself, thanks.

[Krazy]

Since Toog is a reflexive doc, recruiting Toog N1 would mean he was sure to live through N1.

Oh, I see, you're sure one of the two is the CL, but you also see Toog as the cult-recruitment of N1. Your reasoning is really spectacular here Arthas.

You actually do make a quasi-decent point here, though, for explaining why the Tragedy wagon is the marginally better wagon of the two.

[Krazy]

Dear Gollum,

We are disappointed that Substrike rather hide in his QT then find bad scummers with us.

vote:substrike

Unvote; Vote: inHim

Until/unless there's some clarification from others.

-What made you drop your vote from Substrike?
-Can you refresh us on what you found scummy about inHim?

*cackles*

unvote; vote: substrike

-What brought you back to Substrike?
-Did you at this point think inHim was not scummy?

Unvote; vote: toog

Haven't read in a while. Just caught a wagon and saw the reasons for it. Damn late, but damn good catch too.

Can you please explain what you see as the reasons for voting toog.

Additional questions round 1:
Why so scummy? Why do you never pursue a wagon? Why do you almost never question or prod the people you are voting?

Additional questions round 2:
What are your current views of mothrax? You seem to see substrike as scummy for his lurkiness; do you also see mothrax as scummy for the same reasons? Do you characterize your lurkiness as different from substrike's?

Additional questions round 3:
You have shown a preference for the toog wagon. Do you currently see Tragedy as town, cult, or scum? Outside of Toog, Tragedy, and Substrike, do you have an additional FoS?

Thank you. That is all for now.

[Krazy]

Whoever ends up responding should still know why the other head of the hydra was casting a vote, I would assume.

[Krazy]

It wasn't even half an hour from deadline... what the fuck.

[Krazy]

Oh or it was. What the fuck is with my gameclock...

[Krazy]

Mod can cult cult mafia?

I think we lost all the mafia to cult.

[Krazy]

Well Gollum that's something other than answering questions. Nice omgus, though.

[Krazy]

He vigged Fate, so now he's apparently able to be targeted. Though this is not a bastard mod, his role is useless for town. If he's already immune to recruitment, it's fucked up to let him also kill 3 people that touch him as an added perk. I've been scum with Krazy during marathon and he's using that same tunnel tactic where he ignores everyone else's mislynch. I don't mind Nero (Gollum) suspecting him due to this.

"let him also kill 3 people" ? I can't continue to vig after my charges are gone, and vigging (as I did on fate) uses up my charges. "ignores everyone else's mislynch" what the hell are you even talking about?

In other news: Massclaim. Pros/cons?

[Krazy]

Gollum, see 1571. That's what I'm referring to.

And stop being cryptic. What do you think I'm trying to get from you? Your race? I actually don't really give a damn about races, I want role actions so that we can hopefully get some cross-confirming clears in this game and give it some sort of direction. The last day was a giant slugfest with minimal productivity and it seems like a mass ROLE claim with night actions might be the most productive way to give this game some legs again. That or people could get back to scumhunting rather than discussing "doc/doctor" when guess what one of them really was a doctor.

[Krazy]

I don't get it, Arthas, how does being a roleblocker confirm you as town? Scum roleblocker is like mafia ABCs.

[Krazy]

Honestly in this game I could see you claiming cult leader and town wifoming their way into lynching reckamonic again.

[Krazy]

Krazy's been culted, yeah... I notice you didn't jump to vote on us when the day started and asked the mod a senseless question, knowing damn well the mod can't confirm or deny things like that.

As far as vezok: Chrono, you got this? I wouldn't be able to kill anyone else for 2 more nights - Kat can be killed tonight.

Why would the mod be unable to answer that question? If he's using standard rules from the wiki, the answer is "no." If he's not using standard rules, imo he should say so.

And furthermore, I'm "cult" because I didn't vote you at the start of the day? You're acting like I've been tunneling you the whole game. I only stayed on you because you're the first player to simply refuse to answer any question, and spent the first three days of the game lurking/wagoning. Since the day has started, I thought I would give you a chance to answer the questions you never bothered to answer, and still haven't.

I'M TALKING FLAVOR

LIKE ARTHAS, LICH KING, BIG OL EVIL GUY AND SHIT? LIKE BURNED DOWN A TOWN, MERGED WITH A SHAMAN, ATE EVERYONE'S COOKIES?

Wasn't this Toog's argument or something? I'm feeling some serious deja vu here.

Glad that your pro scumhunting skills have amounted to you pushing a lynch on someone over their handle, though, GI. Personally, I'm so convinced in your ability I'm totally ready to sheep your Sathoris vote.

Also, LOL @ claiming I'm mafia because of a PGO claim. Hey genius, I'm not a PGO anymore. Target me all you want. Try to keep up with the game.

Also:

Unvote, Vote: Tragedy

We

can support this.

Since when are you a hydra?

[Krazy]

Fucked up quote tags as always. It happens.

Anyway, since GreyIce's has decided today's level of scumhunting is going to be based on "omg ur name has flavor" and "vote myself" I'm going to go ahead and:

vote GreyIce

Replaces one of the lurkiest players from days 1-2 and comes in trying to scum up the thread some more.

[Krazy]

inb4AGarisFate2.

vote Tragedy

[Krazy]

Ray, have you claimed yet?

Anyway, stop creating opportunities for wifom, please. If you have suspicions of someone, spit it out.

[Krazy]

So here's my list for the moment.

Myself:
14. Krazy

Probably not recruited, probably not recruiter:
17. Substrike22 - Horde Cop
-Lead the charge on Vezok, if recruited would have had to be last night.

Masons:
23. AKnottedRope
16. InflatablePie
Am I right that these two slots are still masons together and can somewhat confirm each other in this respect?

Maybe recruited, but not recruiter:
04. Arthas (chesskid & gandalf) - Roleblocker
19. AGar - Vig

High risk of being recruited:
11. Rayfrost

replaced inHimshallibe D4, replaced DemonHybrid D1 - Redirector?
20. GreyICE, replaced Sathoris N3 - Hunter/Tracker

High risk of being cult leader:
06. Katsuki - Recruitment blocker? (this role just sounds like a "cult leader" fakerole to me, this is perhaps the most 'gut' out of anything on this list)

05. Exilon

replaced Mothrax N3 - Still no claim?
10. bunnylover - Still no claim?

vote Exilon

Unless I'm mistaken, we need claims and night actions from Exilon and bunnylover ASAP.

[Krazy]

Uh okay.

unvote; vote IPie

[Krazy]

Bunnylover's role pretty much is the best explanation so far for what happened the night there were no deaths. In my list, I would move him to high-probabilty of being culted, though, as targetting the cult-leader last night instead of iPie would be a second explanation for why Chronopie died, but I think this makes it very improbable Bunnylover is CL or scum. This also makes me think, that since it only saves from the first death, that AKR or (whoever the third was, Arthas) were also targetted to be killed N3.

Exilon please claim with night actions.

Also, iPie, what the fuck, you're in this game with NO ACTIVES? Wow that seems really strange to me.

[Krazy]

Active Abilities:

Feral Instinct

- Each night you can choose 2 races and target someone. If your target is from one of these races, he will die.

Hey guys, check it out, a vig-class that is pretty much guaranteed to never, ever, kill any scum. (You have to know the race of the scum before you can target it! LOL)

unvote, vote Exilon

[Krazy]

Remember that my toon is female if you want to vig me.

Also, it's okay AKR, I'll hammer so we can get to the bottom of this.

unvote, vote Exilon[/b

[Krazy]

I still have done nothing.

What is up with the flavor text for last night?

Vote Lich King

while I process the current situation. Assuming for the moment it won't work but feel like testing it anyway.

[Krazy]

"I still have done nothing" as in I did nothing again last night, in terms of night actions. EBWOP.

[Krazy]

I'm just going to point out that it's just a touch risky for you to block a player that has claimed no night action, in a game where blocking literally any other player would have been a way of "indirectly" confirming your role for last night. Likelihood of Arthas having been culted (but not CR) +1.

That being said, we don't know yet that this is, strictly speaking, even a crossclaim, since based on the redirector's flip, it's possible that Arthas was mind-controlled and compelled to target GreyIce instead.

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

DemonHybrid

inHimshallibe

. You are a

Male Worgen

.

Class: Shadow Priest

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Unidentifiable Redirector

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Twin Form

- Since you shapeshift, you cannot be pegged by investigations, or not very precisely. Instead of a normal result, trackers and watchers will get “your target visited a worgen” and “A worgen visited your target” (or a variation on that).

Active Abilities:

Mind Control

- Each night, you may cast Mind Control on a player. That player’s action will be redirected to whoever you choose.

[Krazy]

I'll be unable to use my redirect tonight because I redirected bunnylover to himself (misread my RB information from the mod as "you were unable to use your action").

Can anyone explain what the hell Rayfrost was saying here and whether it relates to what actually happened last night or not.

[Krazy]

GreyICE would you mind posting what all your night actions to date are again?

[Krazy]

And which nights were you targeted by magic again?

[Krazy]

WHAT

YOU JUST CLAIMED ROLEBLOCKED

BUT YOU WEREN'T TARGETED BY MAGIC?

WHAT THE FUCK

[Krazy]

Okay, caps-shock off, this pretty much leaves three options:

-GreyIce is lying, and is almost certainly culted/whatever.
-Arthas is un-trackable cult leader or something, certainly not whatever race he claimed
-Both are culted and are trying to force a mislynch between the two of them for a day 7 win. This would require our last vig to also be culted by now to work, I think.

Well, technically 4, if you include "mod error" but I'm going to go ahead and bracket that one off for now. If mod did error, he REALLY NEEDS to just say it in thread.

GreyIce, I'm pretty sure your predecessor claimed no results n1 and n2 and also targeted by magic... aka roleblocked by Arthas, iirc. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, haven't double checked yet)

[Krazy]

btw I know GreyIce's claim is exciting, but please finish saying night actions from last night people who haven't done so yet.

[Krazy]

Read the Tauren ability.

So, if he targeted you two nights ago, and you are still/ever were tauren, then it would have been impossible for him to redirect Arthas last night, that right?

@GreyIce, you don't need to read the thread (well, at least, not in this case), just iso Sathoris, it's iso #23.

[Krazy]

Arthas, when you get back, which nights were you targeted by magic?

[Krazy]

Alright, please help me fill in the blanks. I'm tired of looking through half the thread to find what I want so this is going to be a monster reference post, sorry. Some of these ??? will be from lack of claim, others simply because I can't find it fast enough.

90% of the way through this I finally found substrike's shortlist... meh

Krazy's Claim -

Female Troll Ele Shaman

- Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner [Note: Has used his shot to kill Fate; claimed Bomb, not PGO upon fake daykill.]

Toog's Claim -

Female Draenei Enhance Shaman

- Slow-Dying Reflexive Doc [Note: Claims there was a flavor error; role PM says Doc, not Doctor.]

vezok's Claim -

Female BElf Blood DK

- Magic Aware Area of Effect Selective Lightning Rod [Note: Breadcrumbed Blood DK in the signup thread. Targeted AKR N1 and Bunny N2, was targeted both nights by magic.]

Sathoris' Claim -

Female BElf BM Hunter

- Magic Aware Tracker [Note: Active ability is missing a space. Targeted Benmage N1 and Fate N2, was targeted by magic both nights.]

Arthas' Claim -

Male BElf Frost Mage

- Magic Aware Roleblocker [Note: He targeted Sathoris both nights.]

Chrono's Claim -

Male Dwarf MM Hunter - Strongman Cycling JoaT

[Notes: Abilities are Roleblock/???/Vig; Killed shotty N1, roleblocked Benmage N2.]

Tragedy's Claim -

Male Human Protection Paladin

- Profiling Doc (Female only)

And here's LLD's claim

Substrike's Claim -

Male Human Holy Priest

- Profiling Horde Cop (detects Horde) - Note that Baby Spice was a

BElf Unholy DK - Magic Aware Alliance Cop

Quoting this for my own sanity in keeping track of claims.

Arthas (chesskid & gandalf)

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Arthas

. You are a

Male Blood Elf

.

Class: Frost Mage

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Magic Aware Roleblocker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Arcane Torrent

- Due to your personal affinity to the arcanes, you are aware when magic is used on you. You will be informed when a Mage, Warlock, Priest, Balance or Restoration Druid, Elemental or Restoration Shaman or Holy Priest targets you.

Active Abilities:

Cone of Cold

- Each time you may cast Cone of Cold on a player. He will be roleblocked for the night.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Guess why you got no results >_>

N1 - Sathoris/GreyIce
N2 - Sathoris/GreyIce
N3 - ???
N4 - ???
N5 - Krazy

Never targeted by magic.

Katsuki

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Katsuki

. You are a

Female Night Elf

.

Class: Arcane Mage

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Recruitment-Immune Recruitment Blocker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Complete Tree-Hugger

- You are so obsessed with nature that nobody could ever twist your faith.

Active Abilities:

Arcane Tactic

- Each night, you may grant someone a sudden burst of insight. They will not be recruitable until the next night.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: Starbuck
N2: Chrono
N3: Chrono
N4: ???
N5: ???

bunnylover

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Bunnylover

. You are a

Male Tauren

.

Class: Restoration Shaman

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Reflexive-Roleblocking Area-of-Effect Doctor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

War Stomp

- Due to your imposing stature and wild stomping, people who target you will spend their next night roleblocked.

Active Abilities:

Chain Heal

- Each night, you may cast Chain Heal on a player, protecting them and the players above and below their playerslot. They will be protected from one kill for the night.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Night 1: Targeted The Fonz which protected Baby Spice and Toog.
Night 2: Targeted Toog which protected The Fonz and Arthas, Vezo supposedly lightning rod me.
Night 3: Targeted AKR which protect Tragedy* and not sure if I protected Arthas. Keep meaning to ask the mod that.
Night 4: Targeted InflatablePie which protected..... [Rayfrost, confirmed town, claims a redirect here from bunnylover on to bunnylover]

Krazy

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Krazy

. You are a

Female Troll

.

Class: Elemental Shaman

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Da Voodoo Mon!

- You are so sunk in your own culture that you cannot be converted to any other cause.

Ligthning Shield

- You have three charges of your lightning shield. The first three people to target you during the game will die.

Active Abilities:

Earth Shock

- You may choose to vig, which will use up any remaining charges on your lightning shield.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: nothing
N2: shoots Fate
N3+ nothing

InflatablePie

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

InflatablePie

. You are a

Male Troll

.

Class: Frost Death Knight

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Recruitment-Immune Mason

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Da Voodoo Mon!

- You are so sunk in your own culture that you cannot be converted to any other cause.

Neutral Territory

- You are a member of a small Azerothian group composed of InflatablePie, benmage and AKnottedRope. You know for a fact they have the same goal as you, to make Azeroth safe again. You can discuss with them at anytime.

Active Abilities:

None

-

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

Mason Quicktopic: LOLNO
The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Yes, the non-capitalization of "Benmage" is in the role PM. And like I said, I main a Frost DK in WoW.

Claims no night actions, iirc

Substrike22

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Substrike22

. You are a

Male Human

.

Class: Holy Priest

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Profiling Horde Cop

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Diplomacy

- Each night, you may pick a race to which you will be immune until the next night (this excludes vote, of course)

Active Abilities:

Holy Fire

- Each night, you may investigate someone. You will be informed whether they are a member of the Horde or not.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: ???
N2: ???
N3: ???
N4: ???
N5: ???

Sorry I just haven't sorted through this bit yet, I know you've claimed most of those.

AGar

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

AGar

. You are a

Male Tauren

.

Class: Arms Warrior

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Reflexive-Roleblocking Male Vigilante

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

War Stomp

- Due to your imposing stature and wild stomping, people who target you will spend their next night roleblocked.

Active Abilities:

Mortal Strike

- Each night you may kill someone. But not a female. Females are delicate flowers.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: ???
N2: ???
N3: ???
N4: ???
N5: ???

I know you claimed Tragedy but I forget which night that was. What were the other claims?

GreyICE

replaced Sathoris N3

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Sathoris

. You are a

Female Blood Elf

.

Class: Beast Mastery Hunter

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Magic Aware Tracker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Arcane Torrent

- Due to your personal affinity to the arcanes, you are aware when magic is used on you. You will be informed when a Mage, Warlock, Priest, Balance or Restoration Druid, Elemental or Restoration Shaman or Holy Priest targets you.

Active Abilities:

Animal Handler

-Using your faithful pet, you can follow the tracks of a player. Each night you can target someone to know who they visited.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: Benmage (No result) [targeted by magic]
N2: fate (No result) [targeted by magic]
Night 3 - RayFrost Targeted no one
Night 4 - Gollum was a Worgen
Night 5 - No result. [NOT targeted by magic]

AKnottedRope

claims mason with iPie, never posted role PM, iirc. Uhm, did we ever get a race-claim though?

[Krazy]

Bunnylover, who did you target last night?

[Krazy]

Arthas:
N3 - Tragedy block
N4 - Gollum block

GreyIce:
Night 3 - RayFrost Targeted no one
Night 4 - Gollum was a Worgen

The key here either way is going to be Night 4, I'm pretty sure. Have we now established who all killed who that particular night? If we know with certainty/high probability that Gollum did not voteblock/votekill N4, then that would be a 'clear' for Arthas outside of GreyIce, which would pretty much guarantee he's not CR and would make me feel a whole lot better about that playerslot. I'm thinking the risk here is that Gollum might have targeted the dead and that Arthas claimed he did Gollum and simply got lucky.

If Arthas is not CR, then that would pretty much confirm GreyIce as culted (probably on N4, since if Arthas is not CR) AND this would mean that GreyIce ALSO is not CR, since the N 1-2 actions and the reveal there would then be legit, rather than something cooked up in a QT.

This would guarantee GreyIce as culted, pretty much. This to me would suggest that GreyIce is basically finding a guilty on himself, trying to guarantee a lynch on him, which would in turn suggest that this is Cult MYLO, that there are exactly 3 culted and one cult leader, where if we lynch anyone other than the Cult Recruiter, we lose because tomorrow the Cult Recruiter would recruit again, at which point it would be 4:4.

IF all of the above is true, (I know, that's one GIGANTIC fucking IF), then FMPOV, I believe the Cult Recruiter has to be Katsuki, FMPOV, unless I made some sort of serious miscalculation on Bunnylover [we did pretty much guarantee Bunnylover really saved someone at some point, right?].

So Katsuki, hurry up with the night actions please

Now, scenario two: this scenario emerges if Arthas's roleblock of Gollum N4 is not a high-probability. This would continue to leave open the possibility that either Arthas or GreyIce is the cult recruiter, and that the twice-in-a-row roleblock on the same playerslot was just a coverstory cooked up in the QT sometime around N2 to protect each other, and that neither has really done anything since then. The problem with this scenario is GreyIce's N3 and N4--when those claims were made, would GreyIce have known the results beforehand? Do we know for sure that RayFrost targeted no one N3?

Scenario three: GreyIce is just a culted, Arthas is unculted, GreyIce was hoping that Arthas blocked him last night, but we're not at cult MYLO. Since he had no results, GreyIce thought he might as well claim roleblocked. If so, there might be any number of cult left, but we still don't gain anything from this lynch, since cult will just cult again tonight.

Scenario four: GreyIce is real, and Arthas is an untrackable Cult Recruiter. Hmmmm... impossible, due to N1-3. Also, see the last reason why scenario five is likely impossible. (GreyIce, I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this)

Scenario five: GreyIce is real, and Arthas is culted, but not the cult recruiter. He had no night action last night, since he's not the recruiter, and thus there was no result. Like scenario three, we would be downing a cult if we did this, but the cult recruiter would just cult again tonight and we don't really gain anything. Actually, though, once I thought of this scenario, it's started to seem a lot more probable to me. Actually, this would be pretty good, since it would CONFIRM Arthas is both culted and a cult recruiter, which would guarantee Arthas shouldn't be lynched today (since he's not recruiter), but then we would have a guaranteed scum lynch for tomorrow. In this scenario, Arthas's claim of RBing me after GreyIce claimed... has a very confusing motivation behind it. There's also the problem that wouldn't the result be: Arthas "visited no one" rather than no result? Maybe this scenario is also impossible. (GreyIce, I'd also like to hear your thoughts on this)

In almost any situation, based on all night actions combined, I fee like, FMPOV, the cult recruiter has to be between Katsuki, Arthas, and GreyIce.

Arthas: thoughts on Katsuki as Cult Recruiter, please.

Everyone else: I'm probably wrong about a lot in this post but it's where my thoughts have taken me so far. Please let me know if there's something big I'm missing here.

[Krazy]

Oh yeah, and scenario brainmelt: Cult recruiter has some bullshit roleblocking ability (but isn't a mage so he goes unnoticed by the magic aware herpaderp). If this is the case, just fuck me sideways please. In this fucked up pile of shit, Arthas really did roleblock me last night, and GreyIce really was roleblocked last night, but not by Arthas.

But if this is the case... uh, why the fuck haven't we heard about this ability before now?

I'd really like to just bracket this one off for now, which is why I didn't mention it before.

[Krazy]

EBWOP

Actually, this would be pretty good, since it would CONFIRM Arthas is both culted and

NOT

a cult recruiter, which would guarantee Arthas shouldn't be lynched today (since he's not recruiter), but then we would have a guaranteed scum lynch for tomorrow.

[Krazy]

Bunnylover, if you're sold on me or GreyIce being the cult recruiter, I'd like you to explain the following:

-How did Fate die n2?
-How did GreyIce predict Arthas' claim of roleblock in D1-2?

I'd like you to compare this for a moment to Katsuki who:

-Claims to have protected Chronopie three nights in a row, and after this, voted a tauren, thus ensuring that he cannot protect anyone tonight.
-Didn't target either magic-aware player, which might have, you know, been a way to confirm his role actions.

I just don't get what would have been going through Katsuki's mind as town to do pretty much ANY of those night actions.

GreyIce:
-2 cops isn't that really unusual, since neither cop can cop every player; both are actually only half-cops, only able to cop 1/2 of the players in the game.
-Since 2 cops seems likely to me, rather than unlikely (1 horde cop, 1 alliance cop), I'm pretty reluctant to say that Substrike is a CR. But, unlike many other players, it is conceivably possible.
-I think you realized this already, but AGar being likely culted mostly depended on you being cult. Outside of you being culted, it's actually very unlikely that AGar is culted, since culting him would prevent the CR from culting tonight.

I'm extremely worried about a blitz right now, and it's wholly possible that I've missed some important detail, but thankfully (in a sad way) since Kats hit Agar last night, we're totally fucked tonight anyway if we don't get the CR.

So fuck it.

unvote; vote Kats

Arthas:

-You are claiming that you cannot be culted and have roleblocked last night because you believe vezok lost his powers. Why, exactly, do you believe this? We don't, as far as I know, know what his active abilities really were, we only know his flavor-name iirc: He was a hunter; our other hunter was a watcher, so why do you think he wasn't either a watcher/tracker.

@Everyone:

I think we might want to at least briefly return to vezok's fakeclaim. How much of it was faked? He claimed he was a BE DK, but he flipped a BE "Beast Mastery Hunter." Do you think he really was a lightning rod or not? Is there any way to confirm this? What was he hoping to achieve by faking his class name?

C'mon.

How the fuck can I fail so hard? Mow who stole my power?

I am full claiming because some idiot stole my power.

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

VezokPiraka

. You are a

Female Blood Elf

.

Class: Blood Death Knight

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Magic Aware Area of Effect Selective Lightning Rod

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Arcane Torrent

- Due to your personal affinity to the arcanes, you are aware when magic is used on you. You will be informed when a Mage, Warlock, Priest, Balance or Restoration Druid, Elemental or Restoration Shaman or Holy Priest targets you.

Active Abilities:

Heart Strike

- Each night you may cast Heart Strike on a player. He, along with the players above and below him on the playerlist, will have their actions redirected to you.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Night I targeted AKR iirc and that made me get star and ben too.
Tonight I used it BL. That made me get Fate and inhim.
I was targeted both nights by magic.

So I didn't manage to redirect a kill to me, but I managed to get a power stealer to me.
Tonight I lost my power. I still have my racial bonus though.

^ This right here is pretty much why we believe that being culted results in loss of class ability. However, there is a second reason that vezok would claim that he lost his power: with all the magic aware players, there were very few players he could target that wouldn't confirm he wasn't still what he claimed to be (since a culted PR would not show up from Magic Aware players).

Then the question becomes what we think of his flip:

18. [vezokpiraka ]:

Blood Elf Beast Mastery Hunter

,

Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King

, killed N4

I notice that the "Mastery Hunter" part is dropped when he becomes culted, but that he retains his race as Blood Elf. I'm not sure.

[Krazy]

GreyIce didn't predict shit. If you remember before GreyIce replace in, Arthas was asking Sarthois about his actions and shit like that, and when he posted he was roleblocked night 1 and night 2 (or got no result something like that), Arthas came out and claimed. So GreyIce didn't predict shit, nor did Sarthois. So I don't get where your going with that point.

As for Katsuki, I can kinda understand why Katsuki would protect Agar. I mean he is our final killing role isn't he? Do you disapprove of Katsuki protecting Agar?

Hmm. Now this is interesting. So you're saying that neither Sath/GI's N3 or N4 are sufficient for you to believe that they ever really were a Tracker? And actually...

Wait, hold on. GreyIce is claiming to be a female Blood Elf Beast Mastery Hunter. And Vezok, the flipped cult, was a female Blood Elf Beast Mastery Hunter.

Hmm. The likelihood of roleswap is extremely possible. But let's think for a moment... that would mean that if GI was blocked N1 and N2, and vezok died, then there should be... GreyIce, CR, and 2 culteds. This would also explain why no one flipped scum for so damn long, since no one was even culted until N3 when Arthas stopped doing his thing.

unvote

Gonna have to think on that one for a little bit.

As for Katsuki, I do understand the idea of saving a vig, but he wasn't just a vig, he was a reflexive roleblocking vig, which I think makes him less appealing as a cult recruitment target. I would really like Katsuki to explain the thought-process that went into that one, if there was one, beyond just "hmm, gotta save the vig."

[Krazy]

The main problem I have with GI being the CR is fucking claiming roleblocked today. Why would CR do this? It's like a deathwish, especially if GI is the CR, ESPECIALLY if there's only 2 damn culted. Someone explain this to me please while I (*cringe*) reread and try to figure out whether GI's claims for D3 and D4 were BS or not.

GI: Why should we believe your D3 and D4 claims?

[Krazy]

Did Rayfrost confirm doing nothing D3 at some point?

[Krazy]

Sorry for VIing, but what the hell is a KT again?

[Krazy]

Are you saying that you think that if cult cults someone the same night that the person dies, that the person would die before they were culted and thus would flip town instead of cult? Or am I misunderstanding you?

[Krazy]

Actually fuck it, let's try this:

Mod, if cult culted someone the same night that that player died, would they flip town or cult?

[Krazy]

Oh yeah, and GI, any comment on Vezok flipping as your claim?

[Krazy]

Wait, so Vezok WAS a real tracker, AND he was culted. So then the questions then again become:

-Do culted players retain their active abilities?

-WHEN did vezok make his claims in relation to when GI's slot made claims (including the fakeclaim?)?

If Vezok had his abilities on N3, then since there are daytime QTs, he could have told his roleswap the results of his investigation (ie the no-visit on Exilon).

[Krazy]

Alright, so.

Scenario Brainfuck #3:

In this scenario, GreyIce is the CR. GreyIce is roleblocked N1 and N2. N3, GreyIce cults vezok. On D3, vezok roleswaps with GI, informing him of the search results. N4, vezok dies, and GreyIce cults... someone. N5, GreyIce cults... someone.

What are our options here for N4 and N5:

-Arthas. Uhm, okay, sure, but WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TODAY THEN? Not seeing this.
-Bunnylover. Really not seeing this either.
-Substrike. Not really seeing this.
-Agar. Well, assuming cult recruitment kills the ability to use active powers, this had to be last night. In which case, GreyIce I don't think can cult again tonight.

All the options for GreyIce to cult are:
-Recruitment immune
-Reflexive Roleblockers
-Arthas, who crossed GreyIce on the roleblock today.

So, if my math isn't totally fucked, I think we can actually mislynch Kats today, if town, because GreyIce probably either only has one recruit right now, or can't recruit tonight. Or both.

Where am I wrong?

[Krazy]

Then we lynch you tomorrow

? So you still don't believe I vigged Fate or what?

At this point I'd really like to hear from our masons before more votes are cast. At your leisure, gentlemen.

[Krazy]

Interesting. I wonder if I dare go for two for two.

Mod, do culted players retain the capacity to use their active abilities during night?

Not sure if I'll get so lucky on that one but can't hurt to ask, lol.

[Krazy]

There's quite a few ways... All Kats had to do was miscult once, and he's had a LOT of chances to miscult, especially including N1. Trying Benmage, AKR, Exilon, or iPie any night also would have done it. In addition to those, there is:

Shotty's n1 action... who knows what the hell it did? I'm not familiar with the "action scrambler" mechanic. And do we have Rayfrost's N1 and N2?

And then, there's been a BUNCH of chances to try to cult someone the same night that they died. Here's the full list:

Couldn't find the spirit healer:

22. [Starbuck ]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid,

Unidentifiable Stalker

, killed N1
08. [drmyshottyizsik ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Affliction Warlock,

Magic Aware Action Scrambler

, killed N1
12. [mockingjaye ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Subtlety Rogue,

Magic Aware Hider

, killed N1[/b]

07. [Fate ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Fury Warrior,

Magic Aware Vigilante

, killed N2
24. [Benmage ]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid,

Recruitment-Immune Mason

, killed N2
02. [The Fonz ]: Level 85 Dwarf Survival Hunter,

Strongman Watcher

, killed N2
13. [Gollum ]: Level 85 Worgen Assassination Rogue,

Unidentifiable Progressive Voteblocker Vigilante

, killed N4
15. [Chronopie ]: Level 85 Dwarf Marksmanship Hunter,

Strongman Cycling Jack-of-all-Trades

, killed N4
11. [RayFrost ]:Level 85 Worgen Shadow Priest,

Unidentifiable Redirector

, killed N5

Really, only 2-3 of those do I think would have been less likely than anyone else.

What's more, is if the CR misculted on a Tauren that died, such as Starbuck N1, then the CR would have lost Starbuck AND the N2 recruit.

Now, don't get me wrong. We very well should act as thought we are on cult lylo. But, we should not form our opinion on who the cult leader is based on how few or how many cult we think there are.

The main problem I have right now with GreyIce is having the exact same role as vezok, which strongly implies to me that a roleswap occurred. But I feel like if Kats is CR, the game is over tonight, whereas if GI is CR, we have another chance tomorrow.

[Krazy]

Scratch the one point on Starbuck, misread that as Tauren instead of Worgen for some reason.

[Krazy]

Scenario: Vezok's fakeclaim implications brainmelt #4:

So going back to Day 3, somewhere in the ballpark of page 48, I guess we got vezok's fake lighting-rod claim, Sathoris's Tracker claim, and Arthas's roleblocker claim all in a pretty short burst right around each other.

I'm tempted to think vezok was culted by day 3, then. If vezok was culted by day 3, and roleswapped with GreyIce, then GreyIce, Arthas, and vezok would have had to have been the three scum by day 3, which would mean among the three, actually, would have to be the roleblocker.

This would imply that today, between Arthas and GreyIce, both are currently culted, and that between the two, one is the CR.

This has the following implications:

-Cult retains active abilities after being culted (since Vezok did get his results on Exilon from N3, which he then traded to GI).
-The purpose of the cross-claim of roleblock today is a chainsaw meant to give the cult a winning endgame.
-Both Arthas and GreyIce are totally nuts.
-This would make GreyIce, I think, the most likely candidate for CR.

This scenario rests on the following assumptions:
-Vezok's claim was a fakeclaim
-Vezok's fakeclaim was motivated from being culted
-Cult retains active abilities
-GreyIce and Vezok roleswapped

Thoughts?

As I said earlier, I just want to hear what the masons think about everything, because I'm starting to get a little bit dizzy.

[Krazy]

EBWOP:

I'm tempted to think vezok was culted by day 3, then. If vezok was culted by day 3, and roleswapped with GreyIce, then GreyIce, Arthas, and vezok would have had to have been the three scum by day 3, which would mean among the three, actually, would have to be the

cult recruiter

.

[Krazy]

Oh yeah, and if 2227 is even remotely close to true:

http://inception.davepedu.com/

[Krazy]

GreyIce, is there any reason I should think you did not roleswap with vezok? Y/N

[Krazy]

18. [vezokpiraka ]:

Blood Elf Blood Death Knight

,

Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King

, killed N4

Holy crap it's the first mod error of the whole game.

Well, without the presumption that GI roleswapped with vezok, then... *brain melts out of ears* I think I might be back on Kats but I'll have to think about it.

[Krazy]

Also, perhaps breadcrumbing occurred, but why would Kats bread-crumb being cult-immune? That's like saying, "haha, don't bother trying to cult me because I'm immune!"

At which point, we simply go to how much information the scum were provided before. Exilon did get caught because of his bad fake-claim, and pretty much all of it was available at that point in the game. But many people have seemed to think that the mod would provide the scum, particularly the cult-recruiter, with a fake-claim.

@iPie, Masons, what do you think of Arthas? Between Arthas and GreyIce, one of the two 100% has to be culted/cult-recruiter. Which of the two, if not both, do you think is more likely to be cult-aligned?

[Krazy]

Arthas, it has to be between you and GreyIce, because of GreyIce's claim that they tracked you for no result, and that you claim to have roleblocked me. This is a cross-claim, and thus one of the two of you, at least, must either be culted or CL.

___[The above was Arthas's requested one paragraph]____

The problem with Arthas-cult, GreyIce-town, is that then:

-either Arthas retained his roleblock ability after becoming cult, and roleblocked GreyIce as a culted
or
-GreyIce successfully tracked Arthas, and he had no night ability because he's been culted.

Both scenarios suggest that if Arthas is the cult, he is Culted, and not Cult Recruiter.

The only scenario wherein Arthas can be Cult Recruiter, is one in which both GreyIce and Arthas are cult, in which case Arthas is CR and GreyIce is recruited. Honestly, why they would then cross-each other today makes no sense to me, because this suggests Katsuki is also really a troll, which would mean there are 4 non-recruitables (both masons, Kats, myself). Wouldn't that nearly be cult auto-loss?

This pretty much leads me to believe it has to be:
-Kats as CR with recruited Arthas [liking this one the most, personally], the main problem here is that it 100% requires Kats to have received a fake-claim from the mod.
-GreyIce as CR with recruited... someone? I have no idea who GI's recruits would be, honestly. There isn't really a problem with this, but if this scenario is true, then there are only 2 cults and we can afford a mislynch anyway, because I seriously doubt, at this point, that Arthas and GI are culted together.

or one of these extremely improbable scenarios:
-Substrike as CR with a bus on D4... and a uncc'd fakeclaim that makes a hell of a lot of sense... this scenario seems close to 0% likelihood.
-Masons being recruited would have required the mason having been culted early on, which would also require Substrike being culted early on since he copped iPie. This would mean: Substrike, and both masons are recruited, and vezok died. Since there still has to be cult between GreyIce and Arthas, I think that this scenario is 100% impossible for about a half a dozen reasons, largely due it requiring there to be too many cults in too short a period of time between days 1-3, on top of some truly ridiculous luck in terms of culting masons.
-Bunnylover, and the save on Tragedy D-whatever being completely fucking mysterious.
-Me as CR, and Fate dying from who the fuck knows what.
-AGar as CR, and he just happens to also have a vig ability. LOLNO

[Krazy]

EBWOP: "Honestly, why they would then cross-each other today makes no sense to me, because this suggests Katsuki is also really a

night-elf

, which would mean there are 4 non-recruitables (both masons, Kats, myself)." Sorry, I keep thinking of night-elves as alliance trolls.

[Krazy]

GreyIce, who did you track last night again?

[Krazy]

But would a recruit be so obvious about jestering it up? I'm actually starting to think GI is super-desperate recruiter doing anything he can to get another recruit in tonight so it's at least conceivably possible there's a cult-win.

GreyIce:

If you are the recruiter, you will get one recruit in tonight. Saying we mislynch Kats today, and you are the CR, this would mean that tomorrow, there are exactly three culteds. There will also be three confirmed non-cult: both masons and myself. Also, if Kats should flip town, and Arthas is town, he will roleblock you. This means there will be 2 cult recruits: vs. 3 confirmed unrecruited town. This is cult auto-loss.

All that being said:

GreyIce, would you like to concede?

[Krazy]

GreyIce, please confirm your cult recruiter roleclaim

[Krazy]

That's great and all GreyIce but how exactly did you get the no-result from Exilon on N3?

[Krazy]

Ebwop: No-visit, not no-result, herpaderp.

[Krazy]

GreyIce please post your cult recruiter role PM.

[Krazy]

GreyIce, I see you deleted your Cult QT from the post of your role PM, yes? The mason roles included the Mason QT in their role pm. Since it says you can quote your role pm, presumably you can also quote your QT link; if you are conceding, there is no reason not to post your QT link.

[Krazy]

19) Mod and PM quoting: You can post your role PM if it amuses you, but quoting any other communication with me is forbidden.

Mod please confirm whether or not GreyICE can post the link to their scum QT or not

[Krazy]

without getting banned, if that wasn't abundantly obvious

[Krazy]

Substrike, I explained seven pages ago why the recruiter is Katsuki, I just thought it'd be fun to get GreyICE to pretty much just admit to being culted and not CR after that hilarious Arthas claim.

[Krazy]

Also, why don't you want to post Might of the Scourge, GreyICE?

[Krazy]

HOLY SHIT I GOT IT

VOTE SUBSTRIKE22

[Krazy]

Dat bus.

[Krazy]

Roleclaims: Which one of these things is not like the other?

The Dead:

Couldn't find the spirit healer:

09. [Lady Lambdadelta ]: Level 85 Human Retribution Paladin,

Profiling Jailkeeper

, lynched D1
22. [Starbuck ]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid,

Unidentifiable Stalker

, killed N1
08. [drmyshottyizsik ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Affliction Warlock,

Magic Aware Action Scrambler

, killed N1
12. [mockingjaye ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Subtlety Rogue,

Magic Aware Hider

, killed N1

01. [Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2

07. [Fate ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Fury Warrior,

Magic Aware Vigilante

, killed N2
24. [Benmage ]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid,

Recruitment-Immune Mason

, killed N2
02. [The Fonz ]: Level 85 Dwarf Survival Hunter,

Strongman Watcher

, killed N2
21. [Tragedy ]: Level 85 Human Protection Paladin,

Profiling Female Doc

, lynched D4
18. [vezokpiraka ]:

Blood Elf Blood Death Knight

,

Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King

, killed N4
13. [Gollum ]: Level 85 Worgen Assassination Rogue,

Unidentifiable Progressive Voteblocker Vigilante

, killed N4
15. [Chronopie ]: Level 85 Dwarf Marksmanship Hunter,

Strongman Cycling Jack-of-all-Trades

, killed N4
05. [Exilon ]: Deathwing,

Bulletproof Multikill Serial Killer

, Lynched D5
11. [RayFrost ]:Level 85 Worgen Shadow Priest,

Unidentifiable Redirector

, killed N5

Stuck in Hellfire Peninsula forever (modkilled):

03. [Toogleloo ]: Level 85 Dranei Enhancement Shaman,

Slow-Dying Reflexive Doc

, modkilled and made a neutral survivor D3

The dead (group 2)
01. [Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2
21. [Tragedy ]: Level 85 Human Protection Paladin,

Profiling Female Doc

, lynched D4

The living (group 1)

Arthas - You are a Male Blood Elf. You are a Magic Aware Roleblocker. You have the following special abilities
Katsuki - You are a Female Night Elf. You are a Recruitment-Immune Recruitment Blocker.
Bunnylover. You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Area-of-Effect Doctor.
Krazy. You are a Female Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner.
iPie. You are a Male Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Mason.

The living (group 2)

aGar. You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Male Vigilante.

Substrike - You are a Male Human. You are a Profiling Horde Cop.

I would like to break the roles of the players down into three groups:

Group 1: Totally unique roles

09. [Lady Lambdadelta ]: Level 85 Human Retribution Paladin,

Profiling Jailkeeper

, lynched D1
22. [Starbuck ]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid,

Unidentifiable Stalker

, killed N1
08. [drmyshottyizsik ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Affliction Warlock,

Magic Aware Action Scrambler

, killed N1
12. [mockingjaye ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Subtlety Rogue,

Magic Aware Hider

, killed N1

07. [Fate ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Fury Warrior,

Magic Aware Vigilante

, killed N2
18. [vezokpiraka ]:

Blood Elf Blood Death Knight

,

Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King

, killed N4
13. [Gollum ]: Level 85 Worgen Assassination Rogue,

Unidentifiable Progressive Voteblocker Vigilante

, killed N4
15. [Chronopie ]: Level 85 Dwarf Marksmanship Hunter,

Strongman Cycling Jack-of-all-Trades

, killed N4
05. [Exilon ]: Deathwing,

Bulletproof Multikill Serial Killer

, Lynched D5
11. [RayFrost ]:Level 85 Worgen Shadow Priest,

Unidentifiable Redirector

, killed N5

03. [Toogleloo ]: Level 85 Dranei Enhancement Shaman,

Slow-Dying Reflexive Doc

, modkilled and made a neutral survivor D3

Arthas - Class: Frost Mage - You are a Male Blood Elf. You are a Magic Aware Roleblocker. You have the following special abilities
Katsuki - Class: Arcane Mage - You are a Female Night Elf. You are a Recruitment-Immune Recruitment Blocker.
Bunnylover. Class: Restoration Shaman - You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Area-of-Effect Doctor.
Krazy. Class: Elemental Shaman - You are a Female Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner.
02. [The Fonz ]: Level 85 Dwarf Survival Hunter,

Strongman Watcher

, killed N2
Sathoris. - You are a Female Blood Elf. Class: Beast Mastery Hunter You are a Magic Aware Tracker.

Group 2 - Masons

iPie. Class: Frost Death Knight - You are a Male Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Mason.
24. [Benmage ]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid,

Recruitment-Immune Mason

, killed N2
AKR

Group 3 - Roles that SUGGEST SYMMETRY, BUT ARE ASYMMETRICAL

aGar. You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Male Vigilante.
21. [Tragedy ]: Level 85 Human Protection Paladin,

Profiling Female Doc

, lynched D4

Group 4 - Symmetrical Roles - THE ONLY IN THE ENTIRE GAME

Substrike - Class: Holy Priest - You are a Male Human. You are a Profiling Horde Cop.
01. [Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2

[Krazy]

Well, I've been doing a full write up of Substrike, and although I've concluded that substrike is actually far more conceivable than I gave it credence for yesterday, it's not quite as 100% sure as I was thinking a few hours ago.

unvote

for now. I will definitely be discussing Substrike at length, however.

First though, I'm going to return to vezok.

His claim of N1:
22. [Starbuck Image]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid, Unidentifiable Stalker, killed N1
23. AKnottedRope
24. [Benmage Image]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid, Recruitment-Immune Mason, killed N2

I have a really hard time he'd be so lucky as to fake a LR on 2 masons. This really happened. Vezok really was a LR.

N2:

Tonight I used it BL. That made me get Fate and inhim.

Fate + BL. This actually isn't fake, he stole protection and that ate Fate's vigshot. Okay, so this is also true. But, inhim redirected him, as a result of him lightning-rodded, so... I HAVE NO IDEA HOW RECKAMONIC RESOLVED THIS NIGHT ACTION. But, if he was redirected, then he might have double lightning-rodded, since inhim wasn't the direct target, but rather inhim's redirect was aimed at someone else, went to him as a result of the lightning rod (so the lightning rod resolved once), and then went again as a result of the redirect, resolving again. Weird. Anyway, as a result of inhim's redirect, which means it was REALLY likely that he was culted N2. This would explain why he claimed, since even though he was telling the truth, and was culted, due to inhim's redirect, the person who actually culted him was not any of the six people he listed as LRing. When inhim realized how totally nuts the results of N2 were, he then decided to no-redirect n3, I think. I think this also means Bunnylover technically saved two people, which is something I need to check against N2 kills in a bit.

On N3, he could have just targeted one slot above himself, and gotten:
16. InflatablePie
17. Substrike22
18. [vezokpiraka Image]: Blood Elf Blood Death Knight, Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King, killed N4

N4 - We know he was culted by N3, because if he was culted N4, he would have flipped town, so he probably had no night action.

[Krazy]

This post was originally titled:

How Substrike22 Did It

Part 1 - The Art of Creating a Fake-claim

However, after reviewing night actions, which I will discuss in the next post, there are some problems with Substrike being CR. But I will post this for now anyway because it TOOK FOREVER TO WRITE.

Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:22 pm

[Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2

It is now Night 2. Deadline is 72 hours from this post.

Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:28 am

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Dark Horse

Tragedy

. You are a

Male Human

.

Class: Protection Paladin

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Profiling Female Doctor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Diplomacy

- Each night, you may pick a race to which you will be immune until the next night (this excludes vote, of course)

Active Abilities:

Flash of Light

- Each night you may protect someone from a kill. Except males. They can just protect themselves.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:41 am

yeah
fuck this game
i no longer care who wins
so the scumbag who is the most cooperative gets to win

not posting role pm != being cooperative

this is ck3

See if it were Gandalf I would've understood, but you know, and are not stupid enough to overlook, that role PM posting just leads to a shit ton of WIFOM in Reckamonic Large Theme games. Since two people I think are town asked for it, though:

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Substrike22

. You are a

Male Human

.

Class: Holy Priest

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Profiling Horde Cop

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Diplomacy

- Each night, you may pick a race to which you will be immune until the next night (this excludes vote, of course)

Active Abilities:

Holy Fire

- Each night, you may investigate someone. You will be informed whether they are a member of the Horde or not.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Part 2 - The Art of Busing

What was the state of the game, as of Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:41 am
-A cop had been lynched. Thus, the town would not want to lynch a second cop.
-There was a high number of deaths each night. Thus,

There would be a strong impetus to create a claim that would discourage RANDOM VIG SHOTS as well as a LYNCH

-There was sufficient information in the game to create ALMOST ALL of Substrike22's roleclaim: the passive ability had been claimed by Tragedy, and Baby Space had flipped the role name, thus CONFIRMING that such a role name could plausibly be in the game.
-It was Day 4. The cult had, basically, had a night to have a free recruit. With the number of vigs, this is the perfect time to bus in such a way that it will prevent any additional cops or night-kills. The ONLY PLAYER that would try to kill the cop is the serial killer, and the ONLY PLAYER that cannot claim a vig shot that would result on a culted dying INSTEAD OF THE CL is the serial killer, who obviously CANNOT REVEAL THIS INFORMATION TO THE TOWN. Furthermore, this would INCREASE the chances of doctor protection, thus DISCOURAGING the serial killer, if he even did try to kill Substrike, from actually DOING so.

What Substrike ended up saying about Vezok:

I 100% guarantee that Vezok is scum. My ability is to read whether or not someone belongs to the Horde. Back on page 10, Vezok claimed that she (and she was the first to do this) knew that the Blood Elf racial talent was magic detection. There is no way to know this without being a member of that race, which is a Horde-aligned race. Last night I investigated Vezok, and she came back as not belonging to the Horde faction. Therefore, she is in all likeliness the Cult Leader.

VOTE: VezokPiraka

-Notice how Substrike PRESUMES CULT LEADER, instead of KILLING SCUM?!?!?!?!?! HOW DOES THE CULT LEADER IMPLICATION AT ALL FOLLOW FROM SOMEONE CLAIMING TO BE A HORDE RACE, AND NOT ACTUALLY BEING SO. SK, MAFIA, OR SIMPLY CULTED, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

[Krazy]

What was originally titled:

The Art of being a Fake Cop

But is now titled:

Additional issues with Substrike being the CR

I posted all my actions once but I'll do it again for convenience:
N1) iPie (Horde)
N2) Roleblocked from N1
N3) Vezok (Not Horde)
N4) Agar (Horde)
N5 (last night)) Roleblocked from investigating Agar

Why would scum complain if they faked an inno on them? Substrike had no idea, and had absolutely nothing to lose by claiming a town result on iPie n1, and there's actually a LOT to gain by claiming an investigate on Agar (since that would mean Substrike wouldn't need to investigate last night).

Unfortunately, by the end of processing night actions, I'm thinking instead that Substrike was culted N3. However, the belief that Substrike was culted N3+ has its own implications which I will get to in my next post.

N1 - [I'm not sure, but I'm thinking he misculted on iPie. This will suggest later on, however, that he does not have the full 3 cults. Otherwise, who could Substrike have culted D1...]

N2 - claim of delay roleblock. Could be shotty, yes, so this is possible. And since I don't think Substrike could have known that shotty was the one that did the delayed roleblock, I'm tempted to believe this. Also, I think it is more likely that vezok was N2 (as per the last post). If you look at vezok's fakeclaim, it makes the most sense that he was culted n2. So the claim of "delayed roleblock" here conflicts with vezok being culted n2.

D3 - If there is a cult recruit from N1 and N2, then there would still be another culted to eat a bullet should one still happen to fall. Additionally, if Substrike had been roleblocked N2, they would be highly motivated to produce a claim that, additionally, would prevent additional roleblocks. So, bus. On the other hand, a bus when at LEAST one CR has failed? :/

N3 - Who would have been tonight that is still alive and wouldn't be a reflexive roleblocker. If it was Bunnylover, for instance, then there would be yet another cult down, because no N4. According to theory 2, tonight would be GreyIce/Arthas.

N4 - If there was a recruit this night, maybe Arthas? Otherwise, a no recruit due to picking up Bunnylover. Or GreyIce today, and who N5? According to theory 2, tonight would have to be GreyIce/Arthas.

N5 - GreyIce, obviously, in theory 1. Otherwise, tonight is Bunnylover/Agar.

So, GreyIce's actions today make more sense if there is a CR + 3 culted.

In theory 2, GreyIce and Arthas were picked up N3 + N4, and somehow got a fake night action in that seemed sort of compelling. Then Bunnylover/Agar last night, actually, which would be three cults right now, but no ability to recruit tonight. In which case, we would sort of have a mislynch.

All in all though, after considering night actions, it seems way more likely that Substrike is culted, not CR. But, this has its own implications which I will get to in the next post.

[Krazy]

Why Substrike being culted N3+ implicates Katsuki as CR

N1: Starbuck
N2: Chrono
N3: Chrono
N4: Chrono
N5: AGar

I've pointed out before that protecting Chrono three nights in a row is scummy as hell, and Agar last night is even worse. But, it's even worse than I thought, when we consider this:

Substrike copped a guilty on Vezok N3

This means that Substrike favored doccing(/shrinking, if you want to use a term that prevents confusion) Chrono N4, over Substrike, who had claimed copping a guilty. And it also means Katsuki favored shrinking Agar, someone that would prevent his N6 shrink, over Substrike, who had then CONFIRMED copped a guilty.

Why would Katsuki not shrink the confirmed cop?

Because he's the CR.

Why would Katsuki not FAKE shrinking the confirmed cop?

Because if Substrike died, somehow, this would implicate Katsuki as a liar. Katsuki has to only claim shrinks on people who REALLY ARE town, because otherwise he gets confirmed as the CR.

[Krazy]

Oh yeah, and Bunnylover: after doing the writeup on substrike, it actually would have been impossible, I think, for the game to be over today, due to there being two reflexive roleblockers. If you or agar were culted any night--which, in most theories for there to be more 2+ scum, you or agar have to--then it would be impossible for there to be 5 scum today, pretty much.

[Krazy]

Sorry about the wall of posts. Anyway, 2296 will probably be the one that ends up being most relevant. I'm done for now LOL.

[Krazy]

Alright, I have two ideas for courses of action:

-Lynch GreyICE (CR claim, 100% confirmed cult)

IF GreyICE flips CULTED and not CR:
-AGar shoots Substrike (presumed culted, and this would give us a clear in Agar, which is the same that a result from Substrike would give us, if town)
-Arthas roleblocks Katsuki (Kats can't protect anyway, so no harm here)
-Substrike cops Arthas (if Agar is culted and doesn't kill Substrike, this will be useful, doubly so with Arthas claiming magic-aware)

IF GreyICE flips CR, and the game isn't instantly over:
[will fill this section in later]

Alternative 2:

-Lynch Katsuki (my top choice for CR)

If Katsuki flips TOWN
-Arthas blocks GreyIce or Substrike (some discussion might be needed here, as I think GreyIce being the real CR would require Arthas to be culted, so he might as well just plan to block Substrike if he is still town)
-Agar shoots either GreyIce (if he thinks GI at that point really is Arthas, and thus is male), or shoots Substrike (my second top choice for CR, and in any case probcult)
-Substrike cops Arthas (useful if Agar is culted, or chooses to shoot GreyICE)

Our actions at this point depend on:

-Whether we think Agar is still town (if he isn't, then cult can't cult tonight anyway)
-Whether anyone actually thinks GreyICE is the real CR (almost certainly not)
-Whether we think Arthas is still town (Honestly, I'm leaning town right now)

If both Agar and Arthas are still town (big IF), then we can afford to lynch the confirmed cult today. If there are 2 cult instead of 3, we can afford to lynch the confirmed cult today.

If we presume that AGar and Arthas are both culted, and that there are three cult and not two, then we must lynch the real cult recruiter today.

After looking at the number of problems cult would have getting three, after building the substrike case, I actually at think there can't really be more than two culted right now. There's a lot of confirmed night actions from recent days.

So, on the presumption that at least one of Agar and Arthas is still town, or that there is only two culteds, I am prepared to lynch the cult recruiter claim today, and to let night actions speak for themselves tomorrow.

[Krazy]

LOL, I just realized that GreyICE WOULD be modkilled for posting the QT PM, because that would be blatant gamethrowing when it revealed the real CR.

Leaning toward 0% chance of GreyICE being the real CR, but now that substrike actually seems like a conceivable possibility for a CR in addition to Katsuki, I am less comfortable lynching Kats today (especially with GreyICE's extreme enthusiasm toward lynching Kats earlier today, which is one of the main reasons that I actually doubted Kats as CR. But maybe that was GI's wifom, which is why I've tried to ignore it. Ugh).

[Krazy]

Check it, we lynch GreyICE today and:

-if AGar is culted, it had to be last night, in which case there's no cult recruitment tonight anyway
-if Agar is not culted, and shoots Substrike, then unless it is Katsuki and EVERYONE ELSE (bunnylover, Arthas, and GreyICE) is already cult, and katsuki cults Agar, the cult, we will be looking at 4:3 tomorrow at WORST CASE SCENARIO at which point we can lynch Katsuki for instant win. [if bunnylover and Arthas are BOTH culted, well, then Kats cults Agar and we lose. This would be balls. But I don't think cult is THAT lucky]

I think there's a GOOD CHANCE we're looking at win-win here on a GreyICE lynch.

[Krazy]

Post 1 million in a row (sorry again):

Additionally, if Kats is not the CR, then Kats really did protect Agar last night, in which case he can't have been recruited last night anyway.

[Krazy]

Agar being town does not in any, way, shape, or form suggest or in any way imply that Katsuki is town. If Katsuki is the CR, they would claim a protection on Agar because they haven't culted Agar yet.

Anyway, saying we lynch GreyIce today, and Agar successfully shoots Substrike tonight, we're looking at town auto-win, basically, even if you can't make up your mind between me and Katsuki.

If GreyIce is lynched today, and Substrike dies tonight, then we're at worst looking at:

Me OR Kats, + Arthas, Bunnylover, or Agar. Unless the CR has all three of Arthas, Bunnylover, and Agar at the start of tomorrow, we basically have town win (and I don't think it's possible for cult to have both Bunnylover and Agar right now regardless of who you think it is, or at least still not have an action to cult tonight).

At this point, we could lynch Arthas the next day, and then it will be:

Ipie + AKR + Kats/Krazy vs. Kats/Krazy + Agar/Bunnylover. Worst case scenario, draw. Best case, town auto-win continues. If this day we can lynch bunnylover, then that night cult can do nothing. Then we can lynch Agar, reducing the options for cult leader.

The endgame would then become: iPie + AKR + Kats/Krazy vs. Katz/Krazy. Here, we would have a free mislynch, so at this point we could lynch me, and town would still be able to lynch Kats, the real CR, the next day.

If we avoid lynching troll claims until endgame, then presuming either one of the two is town, and that Agar manages to kill Substrike tonight, we are looking at worst case scenario town draw, best case scenario town auto-win.

On the other hand, we could lynch the real CR (Kats), and be done today.

What's cool is, if I am CR, then I had to have culted Agar last night, in which case I can't do any bullshit power to save culteds due to reverse roleblock. This means that if Agar doesn't shoot tonight, we would have a 100% confirmation that Kats is the CR tomorrow.

Either way, it's pretty much town auto-win.

So, I'd be happy to hear from the real CR, as soon as they realize it's cult auto-loss if we actually coordinate night actions at all. Just saying.

[Krazy]

iPie, it's always on page 1, bro. Reck updates it like a baws.

If they use Might of the Scourge, they don't get a recruit that night. Also, if they recently tried to recruit either Bunnylover or Agar, they can't use either. Also, if they get roleblocked by Arthas, they probably won't be able to save their culteds/themselves. If they have an active ability tonight, and they use it as Might of the Scourge instead of a recruit, then we basically get the lynch on GreyICE today for free. That might not be auto-win, but it's still better than the situation today.

[Krazy]

I might as well update anyway. I'm not going to redo the full shortlist, but I am now including all claimed night actions.

Shortlist reposted from something like D3:

Krazy's Claim -

Female Troll Ele Shaman

- Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner [Note: Has used his shot to kill Fate; claimed Bomb, not PGO upon fake daykill.]

Toog's Claim -

Female Draenei Enhance Shaman

- Slow-Dying Reflexive Doc [Note: Claims there was a flavor error; role PM says Doc, not Doctor.]

vezok's Claim -

Female BElf Blood DK

- Magic Aware Area of Effect Selective Lightning Rod [Note: Breadcrumbed Blood DK in the signup thread. Targeted AKR N1 and Bunny N2, was targeted both nights by magic.]

Sathoris' Claim -

Female BElf BM Hunter

- Magic Aware Tracker [Note: Active ability is missing a space. Targeted Benmage N1 and Fate N2, was targeted by magic both nights.]

Arthas' Claim -

Male BElf Frost Mage

- Magic Aware Roleblocker [Note: He targeted Sathoris both nights.]

Chrono's Claim -

Male Dwarf MM Hunter - Strongman Cycling JoaT

[Notes: Abilities are Roleblock/???/Vig; Killed shotty N1, roleblocked Benmage N2.]

Tragedy's Claim -

Male Human Protection Paladin

- Profiling Doc (Female only)

And here's LLD's claim

Substrike's Claim -

Male Human Holy Priest

- Profiling Horde Cop (detects Horde) - Note that Baby Spice was a

BElf Unholy DK - Magic Aware Alliance Cop

Full Claims with Night Actions

Arthas (chesskid & gandalf)

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Arthas

. You are a

Male Blood Elf

.

Class: Frost Mage

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Magic Aware Roleblocker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Arcane Torrent

- Due to your personal affinity to the arcanes, you are aware when magic is used on you. You will be informed when a Mage, Warlock, Priest, Balance or Restoration Druid, Elemental or Restoration Shaman or Holy Priest targets you.

Active Abilities:

Cone of Cold

- Each time you may cast Cone of Cold on a player. He will be roleblocked for the night.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Guess why you got no results >_>

N1 - Sathoris/GreyIce
N2 - Sathoris/GreyIce
N3 - Tragedy
N4 - Gollum [possibly confirmed?]
N5 - Krazy

Never targeted by magic.

Katsuki

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Katsuki

. You are a

Female Night Elf

.

Class: Arcane Mage

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Recruitment-Immune Recruitment Blocker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Complete Tree-Hugger

- You are so obsessed with nature that nobody could ever twist your faith.

Active Abilities:

Arcane Tactic

- Each night, you may grant someone a sudden burst of insight. They will not be recruitable until the next night.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: Starbuck
N2: Chrono
N3: Chrono
N4: Chrono
N5:Agar

bunnylover

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Bunnylover

. You are a

Male Tauren

.

Class: Restoration Shaman

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Reflexive-Roleblocking Area-of-Effect Doctor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

War Stomp

- Due to your imposing stature and wild stomping, people who target you will spend their next night roleblocked.

Active Abilities:

Chain Heal

- Each night, you may cast Chain Heal on a player, protecting them and the players above and below their playerslot. They will be protected from one kill for the night.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Night 1: Targeted The Fonz which protected Baby Spice and Toog.
Night 2: Targeted Toog which protected The Fonz and Arthas, Vezo supposedly lightning rod me. [Vezok's lightning rod actually might have been real, since we haven't accounted for Fate's kill that night, and vezok's lightning rod also would have hit him. Bunnylover might have actually saved vezok indirectly N2 as a result]
Night 3: Targeted AKR which protect Tragedy* and not sure if I protected Arthas. Keep meaning to ask the mod that.
Night 4: Targeted InflatablePie which protected..... [Rayfrost, confirmed town, claims a redirect here from bunnylover on to bunnylover]
Night 5: Targeted iPie.

Krazy

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Krazy

. You are a

Female Troll

.

Class: Elemental Shaman

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Da Voodoo Mon!

- You are so sunk in your own culture that you cannot be converted to any other cause.

Ligthning Shield

- You have three charges of your lightning shield. The first three people to target you during the game will die.

Active Abilities:

Earth Shock

- You may choose to vig, which will use up any remaining charges on your lightning shield.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: nothing
N2: shoots Fate
N3+ nothing

InflatablePie

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

InflatablePie

. You are a

Male Troll

.

Class: Frost Death Knight

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Recruitment-Immune Mason

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Da Voodoo Mon!

- You are so sunk in your own culture that you cannot be converted to any other cause.

Neutral Territory

- You are a member of a small Azerothian group composed of InflatablePie, benmage and AKnottedRope. You know for a fact they have the same goal as you, to make Azeroth safe again. You can discuss with them at anytime.

Active Abilities:

None

-

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

Mason Quicktopic: LOLNO
The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Yes, the non-capitalization of "Benmage" is in the role PM. And like I said, I main a Frost DK in WoW.

Claims no night actions, iirc

Substrike22

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Substrike22

. You are a

Male Human

.

Class: Holy Priest

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Profiling Horde Cop

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Diplomacy

- Each night, you may pick a race to which you will be immune until the next night (this excludes vote, of course)

Active Abilities:

Holy Fire

- Each night, you may investigate someone. You will be informed whether they are a member of the Horde or not.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1) iPie (Horde)
N2) Roleblocked from N1
N3) Vezok (Not Horde)
N4) Agar (Horde)
N5 (last night)) Roleblocked from investigating Agar

Sorry I just haven't sorted through this bit yet, I know you've claimed most of those.

AGar

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

AGar

. You are a

Male Tauren

.

Class: Arms Warrior

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Reflexive-Roleblocking Male Vigilante

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

War Stomp

- Due to your imposing stature and wild stomping, people who target you will spend their next night roleblocked.

Active Abilities:

Mortal Strike

- Each night you may kill someone. But not a female. Females are delicate flowers.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: ???
N2: ???
N3: ???
N4: ???
N5: ???

I know you claimed Tragedy but I forget which night that was. What were the other claims? Please confirm which kills you made and which saves you've confirmed were by which doctors when you get a chance.

See end; GreyICE now claims "Arthas"

GreyICE

replaced Sathoris N3

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Sathoris

. You are a

Female Blood Elf

.

Class: Beast Mastery Hunter

Affiliation: Horde

You are a

Magic Aware Tracker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Arcane Torrent

- Due to your personal affinity to the arcanes, you are aware when magic is used on you. You will be informed when a Mage, Warlock, Priest, Balance or Restoration Druid, Elemental or Restoration Shaman or Holy Priest targets you.

Active Abilities:

Animal Handler

-Using your faithful pet, you can follow the tracks of a player. Each night you can target someone to know who they visited.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Horde!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

N1: Benmage (No result) [targeted by magic]
N2: fate (No result) [targeted by magic]
Night 3 - RayFrost Targeted no one [possibly confirmed]
Night 4 - Gollum was a Worgen [how hard to fake?]
Night 5 - No result. [NOT targeted by magic] [note, couldn't decide/remember who he actually targeted before claiming roleblocked, this is pretty obviously a lie anyway since he's claimed cult recruiter. Seems to suggest he was culted on N4, though; which in turn, also suggests that Bunnylover, for instance, was NOT culted N3.]

AKnottedRope

claims mason with iPie, never posted role PM, iirc. Uhm, did we ever get a race-claim though?

GreyICE has since claimed to be ARTHAS:

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Sathoris

GreyICE

. You are

Arthas

.

Class: Lich King

Affiliation: Scourge

You are a

Temporary Death-Immune Conditionally Compulsive Cult Leader

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Strategic Retreat

- Until you’ve successfully recruited someone, you are immune to death in all its forms, whether by lynch or getting shot.

Army Building

- Whenever you are the sole member of your cult, you must use Blight of the Scourge.

Mindless Sacrifice

- The first time you would be killed at night, a member of your cult will be killed instead.

Fall of the Lich King

- If you are killed the other members of your cult commit suicide.

Active Abilities:

Blight of the Scourge

- Each night you can recruit someone into the cult. You choose who that person is. If you use this, you cannot use Might of the Scourge. People recruited retain their passive abilities, but lose all active powers.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Scourge):

You win when the Scourge have absolute majority and nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16773&start=0

Notes:
- Can't post QT (but didn't mention he was omitting it)
- Didn't post "Might of the Scourge" which he later said was: Might of the Scourge - This night if anyone attempts to kill you or a member of your cult it automatically fails.
- Has often insinuated that cult might have a killing ability, however, this could easily have been early game WIFOM and if not, some seem to think it requires the sacrifice of a culted player.

Also, obviously hasn't claimed who his "culted" are.

He did end up voting Reckamonic. I almost wonder if we can ask the mod to confirm whether this is a bastard mod or not already. I'll go ahead and do that now:

Mod, please confirm whether there are any living players (or players with roles at least) outside the active player list? AKA you.

I've pretty much ruled out Reckamonic being the CR, since if he has access to night actions I would find it really implausible that he would have missed a cult recruitment; 99% sure we would have been end-gamed already. Also, with votes not being able to stick on him, he'd have to be unlynchable, which ALMOST could make sense with the number of vigs in the game, but still seems like too much of a bastard-mod move for me to actually believe. But I don't think there's any harm in asking.

[Krazy]

I'm fine with doing the real CR today, although if GreyICE somehow magically ends up being the real CR I'll shit a brick or something.

As for concerns about the "multikill" first of all, that requires me to guess what the SK's kill is. Second of all, that requires me to throw away my PGO claim on a random SK kill.

Third of all, you are PRESUMING that "multikill" means "targeting multiple players." I am not presuming that at all. Look at our docs.

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Toogleloo

. You are a

Female Draenei

.

Class: Enhancement Shaman

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Slow-Dying Reflexive Doc

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Gift of the Naaru

- Your blessing from the light beings may be strong, it’s not limitless. If you are to die during a phase, you will die at the end of the next phase.

Active Abilities:

Water Shield

- Each night you can cast Earth Shield on yourself. Anyone who targets you will benefit from the spell and be protected from one kill for the night. This is not a passive ability, you have to actively tell us if you’re using it. Also, this does not protect you.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Dark Horse

Tragedy

. You are a

Male Human

.

Class: Protection Paladin

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Profiling Female Doctor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Diplomacy

- Each night, you may pick a race to which you will be immune until the next night (this excludes vote, of course)

Active Abilities:

Flash of Light

- Each night you may protect someone from a kill. Except males. They can just protect themselves.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

We have two docs that "protect from the first kill" or protected from "a kill." The SK is a solo SK. He kills the same person multiple times, until they are dead, unless they are protected by the SUPERDOCTOR bunnylover. That's my theory, anyway. If he was a solo SK with just one shot on a player with three docs, all of which made a player totally immune, then the SK would be doomed. Further, this explains why he had such a hard time faking his vig claim. If he said he was a vig and shot someone who had been doctored "once" by either Toog or Tragedy.

[Krazy]

didn't the number of deaths go down a lot since he died?

Uhm, we also lost something like two or three vigs around the same time, champ.

[Gollum ]: Level 85 Worgen Assassination Rogue,

Unidentifiable Progressive Voteblocker Vigilante

, killed N4
[Chronopie ]: Level 85 Dwarf Marksmanship Hunter,

Strongman Cycling Jack-of-all-Trades

, killed N4[/size][/b]

It is now Day 5! With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

GEE I WONDER WHY THE NUMBER OF DEATHS WENT DOWN HERPADERP

[Krazy]

I don't get why we can't lynch Krazy and shoot GI.

Hey champ, our vig can only shoot dudes. Unless being culted gave GI a sexchange, he can't be shot, and neither can I, and neither can you (well, you can, because you're really a guy). Funny how that works out, huh.

Despite that MASSIVE slip by Arthas, I thankfully still think him being the CR is impossible due to GreyIce's exilon report N3.

So let's do this shit:

Vote Kats

[Krazy]

If we get loss because of that shit, laptops will be thrown out of windows. Or perhaps, through windows.

[Krazy]

He's culted Bunnylover.

He got a correct tracker result on Exilon for N3. He was culted N3 or N4. He reposted the role PM from his QT.

[Krazy]

Bunny, the CR is either Kats or Substrike. If it's Sub, Sub did one of the riskiest gambits I've seen in recent memory; and either way, AGar can shoot Sub tonight.

[Krazy]

Kats is confirmed CR, Arthas is confirmed second recruited.

This really is GG. The wagon on Kats is why the mod hasn't ended the day yet.

Arthas and GreyICE, you can both vote Kats now. Thanks, bye.

Arthas still can't be the recruiter because of GreyICE's Exilon report N3. The end.

[Krazy]

The game state:

Kats - Recruiter
GreyICE - recruited
Arthas - recruited
Substrike - recruited

Agar - town now, tonight's target
Bunnylover - town now, target 2 nights from now, last target
iPie - town
AKR - town
Krazy - town

Arthas is trying to find a guilty on himself because GreyICE was too obviously culted. All he's done is guarantee that we're on the right track with Kats.

[Krazy]

The only ones I'm even remotely unsure on are Substrike recruited, Bunnylover town, but I'm about 80% sure on both of them.

[Krazy]

GreyICE and Arthas are trying to eat both the vig bullet and the lynch. This shit is obvious.

[Krazy]

lol@ GreyICE trying to make it out like there's going to be a tonight.

[Krazy]

You were so enthusiastic about lynching Kats before, what happened ICE? What happened? Where'd that enthusiasm go? Finally realized your self-bus wasn't going to work and your CR was getting lynched anyway?

Vote him, ICE. Vote Kats. Do it. FEEL THE TASTE OF A GAME-ENDING BUS. LIVE IT. ENJOY IT.

[Krazy]

GreyICE, how'd you know Exilon visited no one? EXPLAIN IT. SHOW ME WHY I'M WRONG, JUST FOR LULZ, THEN YOU CAN GLOAT LIKE A BAWS POST-GAME.

[Krazy]

OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T, CAUSE YOU'RE CULTED.

SORRY, MY BAD.

[Krazy]

So your last few posts have just been... trolling?

[Krazy]

Meh, I don't care, but you're not voting Kats right now.

[Krazy]

So stop trolling and vote Kats, like a baws.

[Krazy]

nope, you jumped to "GREYICESCUMMMMM" or something like that a bit ago.

[Krazy]

Katsuki, let's play a hypothetical scenario.

In this scenario, I'm town, and you're town too.

Who is the CR, in this game?

[Krazy]

Okay Kats, let's play out this scenario of yours.

Arthas is the CR, and cults GreyICE n1 or n2. Cool.

How, in this scenario, does GreyICE know that Exilon visited no one on N3? They then cooked up this scenario. Did GreyICE retain his active ability after being culted? Did GreyICE track Exilon before and know that he no-visited, and then just got lucky? And Arthas also got lucky, claiming a roleblock on Gollum, when no one ended up being voteblocked as far as we can tell on N4 or whenever it was?

Did they both just get lucky and then luckier? Did GreyICE have the capacity to know that Gollum was a worgen or whatever the 'mostly untrackable' race was?

[Krazy]

Oh wait, Gollum died N4. So GreyICE's result on that one doesn't matter since the flip would have already occured.

So basically you'd just have to explain how he knew Exilon no-visited.

[Krazy]

There's also the minor issue that GreyICE, the confirmed cult, hasn't hammered on you yet Kats. The longer you're at L-1 without being hammered, the more I like your wagon.

The only reason they'd be delaying if you're not is that they want to divert Agar's bullet tonight; which makes me happier about Agar shooting Substrike. Arthas as town should have no trouble believing Substrike is cult. Arthas as cult has no reason to bring up Substrike being cult except to reinforce the shot there.

And GreyICE is obviously culted before N5, since he had no night action last night, that's why he can't remember what he did. However, if GreyICE is NOT culted N3 when he gets results on Exilon, then he can't be culted before N3, and if he's not culted before N3, then Arthas can't be the CR.

Dominos falling upward, into place. If it's not you, Kats, it has to be Substrike with one of the most insane and earliest busses I have seen.

[Krazy]

This is more of your BS case-making. GI results on Exilon could have easily been made up. However, you refuse to even consider that aspect for some strange reason.

In a game where everyone and their mother has a night action, please explain to me how a no-visit is easy to make up. Either they tracked Exilon d1 or d2 during the period of fake-roleblocks, he no-visited again, and they thought he had no night action for some reason and thus thought a fake no-visit on d3 would work, or they simply made an incredibly lucky guess that he no-visited in a game where everyone visits.

The problem with the first scenario is moreso, why would they fake roleblocks on the presumption that he has no visit n1 n2 and then claim a no-visit n3? Honestly, if they put that much planning into their role-claims, and combined it with that much of a read on Exilon's slot (which was risky as hell, considering he actually WAS a visiting role), then they deserve to win because that shit's impressive.

So, Arthas as CR is not *technically impossible* it's just so *overwhelmingly improbable* that I'm willing to dismiss it.

It also, ahem, doesn't explain why GreyICE, the confirmed culted, hasn't hammered you yet.

[Krazy]

The last hour and a half brought to you by: GreyICE not hammering.

He posted three times over the course of a half-hour in Coney Island, FYI.