Reckamonic's WoW Mafia (Over)

[Krazy]

Ebwop: No-visit, not no-result, herpaderp.

[GreyICE]

No questions remain unanswered. No doubts linger. You are Azeroth's greatest champions! You overcame every challenge I laid before you. My mightiest servants have fallen before your relentless onslaught, your unbridled fury... Is it truly righteousness that drives you?

I wonder.

You trained them well, Fordring. You delivered the greatest fighting force this world has ever known... right into my hands -- exactly as I intended. You shall be rewarded for your unwitting sacrifice. Watch now as I raise them from the dead to become masters of the Scourge. They will shroud this world in chaos and destruction. Azeroth's fall will come at their hands -- and you will be the first to die.

[Krazy]

GreyIce please post your cult recruiter role PM.

[GreyICE]

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Sathoris

GreyICE

. You are

Arthas

.

Class: Lich King

Affiliation: Scourge

You are a

Temporary Death-Immune Conditionally Compulsive Cult Leader

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Strategic Retreat

- Until you’ve successfully recruited someone, you are immune to death in all its forms, whether by lynch or getting shot.

Army Building

- Whenever you are the sole member of your cult, you must use Blight of the Scourge.

Mindless Sacrifice

- The first time you would be killed at night, a member of your cult will be killed instead.

Fall of the Lich King

- If you are killed the other members of your cult commit suicide.

Active Abilities:

Blight of the Scourge

- Each night you can recruit someone into the cult. You choose who that person is. If you use this, you cannot use Might of the Scourge. People recruited retain their passive abilities, but lose all active powers.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (Scourge):

You win when the Scourge have absolute majority and nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16773&start=0

[Arthas]

fake
might of the scourge not there

[InflatablePie]

wat

[Bunnylover]

um like does that mean we should i don't even

what o_O

[Krazy]

GreyIce, I see you deleted your Cult QT from the post of your role PM, yes? The mason roles included the Mason QT in their role pm. Since it says you can quote your role pm, presumably you can also quote your QT link; if you are conceding, there is no reason not to post your QT link.

[GreyICE]

That would result in a ban from all future Reck Games. Rather not.

[Krazy]

19) Mod and PM quoting: You can post your role PM if it amuses you, but quoting any other communication with me is forbidden.

Mod please confirm whether or not GreyICE can post the link to their scum QT or not

[Krazy]

without getting banned, if that wasn't abundantly obvious

[Substrike22]

That would result in a ban from all future Reck Games. Rather not.

So the question at this point becomes a gigantic puddle of WIFOM. Does GreyICE divine from what he knows of us, and places the poison into his own goblet. A clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he is given. We are not great fools, and therefore cannot choose the wine in front of him. But he must've know that we were not all great fools, so we clearly cannot choose the wine in front of us.

But we must know that this poison comes from Azeroth, and Azeroth is full of criminals and rogues, and rogues are used to having people not trust them, so we clearly cannot choose the wine in front of him. But! He must've suspected that we would know the powder's origin, so we clearly cannot choose the wine in front of us.

So, anyone down for a land war in Russia?

BY THE WAY,

Regardless we need to look at who he's trying to "protect". I'd suggest that they're coordinating their efforts.


p-edit: the person above me is a decently strong candidate. Look at him trying to score town points...

---last post before I'm V/LA, see you all in a week. ---

[Krazy]

Substrike, I explained seven pages ago why the recruiter is Katsuki, I just thought it'd be fun to get GreyICE to pretty much just admit to being culted and not CR after that hilarious Arthas claim.

[Krazy]

Also, why don't you want to post Might of the Scourge, GreyICE?

[Krazy]

HOLY SHIT I GOT IT

VOTE SUBSTRIKE22

[Krazy]

Dat bus.

[GreyICE]

Might of the Scourge

- This night if anyone attempts to kill you or a member of your cult it automatically fails.

[Krazy]

Roleclaims: Which one of these things is not like the other?

The Dead:

Couldn't find the spirit healer:

09. [Lady Lambdadelta ]: Level 85 Human Retribution Paladin,

Profiling Jailkeeper

, lynched D1
22. [Starbuck ]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid,

Unidentifiable Stalker

, killed N1
08. [drmyshottyizsik ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Affliction Warlock,

Magic Aware Action Scrambler

, killed N1
12. [mockingjaye ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Subtlety Rogue,

Magic Aware Hider

, killed N1

01. [Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2

07. [Fate ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Fury Warrior,

Magic Aware Vigilante

, killed N2
24. [Benmage ]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid,

Recruitment-Immune Mason

, killed N2
02. [The Fonz ]: Level 85 Dwarf Survival Hunter,

Strongman Watcher

, killed N2
21. [Tragedy ]: Level 85 Human Protection Paladin,

Profiling Female Doc

, lynched D4
18. [vezokpiraka ]:

Blood Elf Blood Death Knight

,

Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King

, killed N4
13. [Gollum ]: Level 85 Worgen Assassination Rogue,

Unidentifiable Progressive Voteblocker Vigilante

, killed N4
15. [Chronopie ]: Level 85 Dwarf Marksmanship Hunter,

Strongman Cycling Jack-of-all-Trades

, killed N4
05. [Exilon ]: Deathwing,

Bulletproof Multikill Serial Killer

, Lynched D5
11. [RayFrost ]:Level 85 Worgen Shadow Priest,

Unidentifiable Redirector

, killed N5

Stuck in Hellfire Peninsula forever (modkilled):

03. [Toogleloo ]: Level 85 Dranei Enhancement Shaman,

Slow-Dying Reflexive Doc

, modkilled and made a neutral survivor D3

The dead (group 2)
01. [Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2
21. [Tragedy ]: Level 85 Human Protection Paladin,

Profiling Female Doc

, lynched D4

The living (group 1)

Arthas - You are a Male Blood Elf. You are a Magic Aware Roleblocker. You have the following special abilities
Katsuki - You are a Female Night Elf. You are a Recruitment-Immune Recruitment Blocker.
Bunnylover. You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Area-of-Effect Doctor.
Krazy. You are a Female Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner.
iPie. You are a Male Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Mason.

The living (group 2)

aGar. You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Male Vigilante.

Substrike - You are a Male Human. You are a Profiling Horde Cop.

I would like to break the roles of the players down into three groups:

Group 1: Totally unique roles

09. [Lady Lambdadelta ]: Level 85 Human Retribution Paladin,

Profiling Jailkeeper

, lynched D1
22. [Starbuck ]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid,

Unidentifiable Stalker

, killed N1
08. [drmyshottyizsik ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Affliction Warlock,

Magic Aware Action Scrambler

, killed N1
12. [mockingjaye ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Subtlety Rogue,

Magic Aware Hider

, killed N1

07. [Fate ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Fury Warrior,

Magic Aware Vigilante

, killed N2
18. [vezokpiraka ]:

Blood Elf Blood Death Knight

,

Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King

, killed N4
13. [Gollum ]: Level 85 Worgen Assassination Rogue,

Unidentifiable Progressive Voteblocker Vigilante

, killed N4
15. [Chronopie ]: Level 85 Dwarf Marksmanship Hunter,

Strongman Cycling Jack-of-all-Trades

, killed N4
05. [Exilon ]: Deathwing,

Bulletproof Multikill Serial Killer

, Lynched D5
11. [RayFrost ]:Level 85 Worgen Shadow Priest,

Unidentifiable Redirector

, killed N5

03. [Toogleloo ]: Level 85 Dranei Enhancement Shaman,

Slow-Dying Reflexive Doc

, modkilled and made a neutral survivor D3

Arthas - Class: Frost Mage - You are a Male Blood Elf. You are a Magic Aware Roleblocker. You have the following special abilities
Katsuki - Class: Arcane Mage - You are a Female Night Elf. You are a Recruitment-Immune Recruitment Blocker.
Bunnylover. Class: Restoration Shaman - You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Area-of-Effect Doctor.
Krazy. Class: Elemental Shaman - You are a Female Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Semi-Compulsive Paranoid Gun Owner.
02. [The Fonz ]: Level 85 Dwarf Survival Hunter,

Strongman Watcher

, killed N2
Sathoris. - You are a Female Blood Elf. Class: Beast Mastery Hunter You are a Magic Aware Tracker.

Group 2 - Masons

iPie. Class: Frost Death Knight - You are a Male Troll. You are a Recruitment-Immune Mason.
24. [Benmage ]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid,

Recruitment-Immune Mason

, killed N2
AKR

Group 3 - Roles that SUGGEST SYMMETRY, BUT ARE ASYMMETRICAL

aGar. You are a Male Tauren. You are a Reflexive-Roleblocking Male Vigilante.
21. [Tragedy ]: Level 85 Human Protection Paladin,

Profiling Female Doc

, lynched D4

Group 4 - Symmetrical Roles - THE ONLY IN THE ENTIRE GAME

Substrike - Class: Holy Priest - You are a Male Human. You are a Profiling Horde Cop.
01. [Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2

[Krazy]

Well, I've been doing a full write up of Substrike, and although I've concluded that substrike is actually far more conceivable than I gave it credence for yesterday, it's not quite as 100% sure as I was thinking a few hours ago.

unvote

for now. I will definitely be discussing Substrike at length, however.

First though, I'm going to return to vezok.

His claim of N1:
22. [Starbuck Image]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid, Unidentifiable Stalker, killed N1
23. AKnottedRope
24. [Benmage Image]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid, Recruitment-Immune Mason, killed N2

I have a really hard time he'd be so lucky as to fake a LR on 2 masons. This really happened. Vezok really was a LR.

N2:

Tonight I used it BL. That made me get Fate and inhim.

Fate + BL. This actually isn't fake, he stole protection and that ate Fate's vigshot. Okay, so this is also true. But, inhim redirected him, as a result of him lightning-rodded, so... I HAVE NO IDEA HOW RECKAMONIC RESOLVED THIS NIGHT ACTION. But, if he was redirected, then he might have double lightning-rodded, since inhim wasn't the direct target, but rather inhim's redirect was aimed at someone else, went to him as a result of the lightning rod (so the lightning rod resolved once), and then went again as a result of the redirect, resolving again. Weird. Anyway, as a result of inhim's redirect, which means it was REALLY likely that he was culted N2. This would explain why he claimed, since even though he was telling the truth, and was culted, due to inhim's redirect, the person who actually culted him was not any of the six people he listed as LRing. When inhim realized how totally nuts the results of N2 were, he then decided to no-redirect n3, I think. I think this also means Bunnylover technically saved two people, which is something I need to check against N2 kills in a bit.

On N3, he could have just targeted one slot above himself, and gotten:
16. InflatablePie
17. Substrike22
18. [vezokpiraka Image]: Blood Elf Blood Death Knight, Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King, killed N4

N4 - We know he was culted by N3, because if he was culted N4, he would have flipped town, so he probably had no night action.

[Krazy]

This post was originally titled:

How Substrike22 Did It

Part 1 - The Art of Creating a Fake-claim

However, after reviewing night actions, which I will discuss in the next post, there are some problems with Substrike being CR. But I will post this for now anyway because it TOOK FOREVER TO WRITE.

Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:22 pm

[Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight,

Magic Aware Alliance Cop

, lynched D2

It is now Night 2. Deadline is 72 hours from this post.

Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:28 am

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Dark Horse

Tragedy

. You are a

Male Human

.

Class: Protection Paladin

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Profiling Female Doctor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Diplomacy

- Each night, you may pick a race to which you will be immune until the next night (this excludes vote, of course)

Active Abilities:

Flash of Light

- Each night you may protect someone from a kill. Except males. They can just protect themselves.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:41 am

yeah
fuck this game
i no longer care who wins
so the scumbag who is the most cooperative gets to win

not posting role pm != being cooperative

this is ck3

See if it were Gandalf I would've understood, but you know, and are not stupid enough to overlook, that role PM posting just leads to a shit ton of WIFOM in Reckamonic Large Theme games. Since two people I think are town asked for it, though:

Welcome to World of Warcraft Mafia,

Substrike22

. You are a

Male Human

.

Class: Holy Priest

Affiliation: Alliance

You are a

Profiling Horde Cop

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Diplomacy

- Each night, you may pick a race to which you will be immune until the next night (this excludes vote, of course)

Active Abilities:

Holy Fire

- Each night, you may investigate someone. You will be informed whether they are a member of the Horde or not.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per day.

Win Condition (For the Alliance!):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Azeroth is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0

Part 2 - The Art of Busing

What was the state of the game, as of Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:41 am
-A cop had been lynched. Thus, the town would not want to lynch a second cop.
-There was a high number of deaths each night. Thus,

There would be a strong impetus to create a claim that would discourage RANDOM VIG SHOTS as well as a LYNCH

-There was sufficient information in the game to create ALMOST ALL of Substrike22's roleclaim: the passive ability had been claimed by Tragedy, and Baby Space had flipped the role name, thus CONFIRMING that such a role name could plausibly be in the game.
-It was Day 4. The cult had, basically, had a night to have a free recruit. With the number of vigs, this is the perfect time to bus in such a way that it will prevent any additional cops or night-kills. The ONLY PLAYER that would try to kill the cop is the serial killer, and the ONLY PLAYER that cannot claim a vig shot that would result on a culted dying INSTEAD OF THE CL is the serial killer, who obviously CANNOT REVEAL THIS INFORMATION TO THE TOWN. Furthermore, this would INCREASE the chances of doctor protection, thus DISCOURAGING the serial killer, if he even did try to kill Substrike, from actually DOING so.

What Substrike ended up saying about Vezok:

I 100% guarantee that Vezok is scum. My ability is to read whether or not someone belongs to the Horde. Back on page 10, Vezok claimed that she (and she was the first to do this) knew that the Blood Elf racial talent was magic detection. There is no way to know this without being a member of that race, which is a Horde-aligned race. Last night I investigated Vezok, and she came back as not belonging to the Horde faction. Therefore, she is in all likeliness the Cult Leader.

VOTE: VezokPiraka

-Notice how Substrike PRESUMES CULT LEADER, instead of KILLING SCUM?!?!?!?!?! HOW DOES THE CULT LEADER IMPLICATION AT ALL FOLLOW FROM SOMEONE CLAIMING TO BE A HORDE RACE, AND NOT ACTUALLY BEING SO. SK, MAFIA, OR SIMPLY CULTED, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

[Krazy]

What was originally titled:

The Art of being a Fake Cop

But is now titled:

Additional issues with Substrike being the CR

I posted all my actions once but I'll do it again for convenience:
N1) iPie (Horde)
N2) Roleblocked from N1
N3) Vezok (Not Horde)
N4) Agar (Horde)
N5 (last night)) Roleblocked from investigating Agar

Why would scum complain if they faked an inno on them? Substrike had no idea, and had absolutely nothing to lose by claiming a town result on iPie n1, and there's actually a LOT to gain by claiming an investigate on Agar (since that would mean Substrike wouldn't need to investigate last night).

Unfortunately, by the end of processing night actions, I'm thinking instead that Substrike was culted N3. However, the belief that Substrike was culted N3+ has its own implications which I will get to in my next post.

N1 - [I'm not sure, but I'm thinking he misculted on iPie. This will suggest later on, however, that he does not have the full 3 cults. Otherwise, who could Substrike have culted D1...]

N2 - claim of delay roleblock. Could be shotty, yes, so this is possible. And since I don't think Substrike could have known that shotty was the one that did the delayed roleblock, I'm tempted to believe this. Also, I think it is more likely that vezok was N2 (as per the last post). If you look at vezok's fakeclaim, it makes the most sense that he was culted n2. So the claim of "delayed roleblock" here conflicts with vezok being culted n2.

D3 - If there is a cult recruit from N1 and N2, then there would still be another culted to eat a bullet should one still happen to fall. Additionally, if Substrike had been roleblocked N2, they would be highly motivated to produce a claim that, additionally, would prevent additional roleblocks. So, bus. On the other hand, a bus when at LEAST one CR has failed? :/

N3 - Who would have been tonight that is still alive and wouldn't be a reflexive roleblocker. If it was Bunnylover, for instance, then there would be yet another cult down, because no N4. According to theory 2, tonight would be GreyIce/Arthas.

N4 - If there was a recruit this night, maybe Arthas? Otherwise, a no recruit due to picking up Bunnylover. Or GreyIce today, and who N5? According to theory 2, tonight would have to be GreyIce/Arthas.

N5 - GreyIce, obviously, in theory 1. Otherwise, tonight is Bunnylover/Agar.

So, GreyIce's actions today make more sense if there is a CR + 3 culted.

In theory 2, GreyIce and Arthas were picked up N3 + N4, and somehow got a fake night action in that seemed sort of compelling. Then Bunnylover/Agar last night, actually, which would be three cults right now, but no ability to recruit tonight. In which case, we would sort of have a mislynch.

All in all though, after considering night actions, it seems way more likely that Substrike is culted, not CR. But, this has its own implications which I will get to in the next post.

[Krazy]

Why Substrike being culted N3+ implicates Katsuki as CR

N1: Starbuck
N2: Chrono
N3: Chrono
N4: Chrono
N5: AGar

I've pointed out before that protecting Chrono three nights in a row is scummy as hell, and Agar last night is even worse. But, it's even worse than I thought, when we consider this:

Substrike copped a guilty on Vezok N3

This means that Substrike favored doccing(/shrinking, if you want to use a term that prevents confusion) Chrono N4, over Substrike, who had claimed copping a guilty. And it also means Katsuki favored shrinking Agar, someone that would prevent his N6 shrink, over Substrike, who had then CONFIRMED copped a guilty.

Why would Katsuki not shrink the confirmed cop?

Because he's the CR.

Why would Katsuki not FAKE shrinking the confirmed cop?

Because if Substrike died, somehow, this would implicate Katsuki as a liar. Katsuki has to only claim shrinks on people who REALLY ARE town, because otherwise he gets confirmed as the CR.

[Krazy]

Oh yeah, and Bunnylover: after doing the writeup on substrike, it actually would have been impossible, I think, for the game to be over today, due to there being two reflexive roleblockers. If you or agar were culted any night--which, in most theories for there to be more 2+ scum, you or agar have to--then it would be impossible for there to be 5 scum today, pretty much.

[Krazy]

Sorry about the wall of posts. Anyway, 2296 will probably be the one that ends up being most relevant. I'm done for now LOL.

[Krazy]

Alright, I have two ideas for courses of action:

-Lynch GreyICE (CR claim, 100% confirmed cult)

IF GreyICE flips CULTED and not CR:
-AGar shoots Substrike (presumed culted, and this would give us a clear in Agar, which is the same that a result from Substrike would give us, if town)
-Arthas roleblocks Katsuki (Kats can't protect anyway, so no harm here)
-Substrike cops Arthas (if Agar is culted and doesn't kill Substrike, this will be useful, doubly so with Arthas claiming magic-aware)

IF GreyICE flips CR, and the game isn't instantly over:
[will fill this section in later]

Alternative 2:

-Lynch Katsuki (my top choice for CR)

If Katsuki flips TOWN
-Arthas blocks GreyIce or Substrike (some discussion might be needed here, as I think GreyIce being the real CR would require Arthas to be culted, so he might as well just plan to block Substrike if he is still town)
-Agar shoots either GreyIce (if he thinks GI at that point really is Arthas, and thus is male), or shoots Substrike (my second top choice for CR, and in any case probcult)
-Substrike cops Arthas (useful if Agar is culted, or chooses to shoot GreyICE)

Our actions at this point depend on:

-Whether we think Agar is still town (if he isn't, then cult can't cult tonight anyway)
-Whether anyone actually thinks GreyICE is the real CR (almost certainly not)
-Whether we think Arthas is still town (Honestly, I'm leaning town right now)

If both Agar and Arthas are still town (big IF), then we can afford to lynch the confirmed cult today. If there are 2 cult instead of 3, we can afford to lynch the confirmed cult today.

If we presume that AGar and Arthas are both culted, and that there are three cult and not two, then we must lynch the real cult recruiter today.

After looking at the number of problems cult would have getting three, after building the substrike case, I actually at think there can't really be more than two culted right now. There's a lot of confirmed night actions from recent days.

So, on the presumption that at least one of Agar and Arthas is still town, or that there is only two culteds, I am prepared to lynch the cult recruiter claim today, and to let night actions speak for themselves tomorrow.