Reckamonic's WoW Mafia (Over)

[Krazy]

Did Rayfrost confirm doing nothing D3 at some point?

[gandalf5166]

Wait, actually. GreyICE, if I'm KT, that means that cult started out with TWO players. So we would have had to tried to recruit the masons(since Kat is also scum under your dumbass theory)...... wait for it....... THREE FUCKING TIMES.

[GreyICE]

Did Rayfrost confirm doing nothing D3 at some point?

Definitely, right here:

I didn't, actually. I asked reck if I was getting a PR that had already actioned and he said no action done and that timer's up for getting an action in. Take this as you will, but even if I did get an action in you are stating that GI and myself are in a cult together and he's fakeclaiming to clear me for pretty much no reason whatsoever - it's not like I was under suspicion that needed protection in any way. Makes no sense.

So I'm confirmed town.

[GreyICE]

Wait, actually. GreyICE, if I'm KT, that means that cult started out with TWO players. So we would have had to tried to recruit the masons(since Kat is also scum under your dumbass theory)...... wait for it....... THREE FUCKING TIMES.

Or you recruited Taurens or other unrecruitables.

Or people dying anyway.

What can I say, you are just that bad

[Krazy]

Sorry for VIing, but what the hell is a KT again?

[GreyICE]

09. [Lady Lambdadelta ]: Level 85 Human Retribution Paladin, Profiling Jailkeeper, lynched D1
22. [

Starbuck

]: Level 85 Worgen Balance Druid, Unidentifiable Stalker, killed N1
08. [drmyshottyizsik ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Affliction Warlock, Magic Aware Action Scrambler, killed N1
12. [mockingjaye ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Subtlety Rogue, Magic Aware Hider, killed N1
01. [Baby Spice ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Unholy Death Knight, Magic Aware Alliance Cop, lynched D2
07. [Fate ]: Level 85 Blood Elf Fury Warrior, Magic Aware Vigilante, killed N2
24. [

Benmage

]: Level 85 Night Elf Restoration Druid, Recruitment-Immune Mason, killed N2
02. [The Fonz ]: Level 85 Dwarf Survival Hunter, Strongman Watcher, killed N2
21. [Tragedy ]: Level 85 Human Protection Paladin, Profiling Female Doc, lynched D4
18. [vezokpiraka ]: Blood Elf Beast Mastery Hunter, Blood Elf Servant of the Lich King, killed N4
13. [Gollum ]: Level 85 Worgen Assassination Rogue, Unidentifiable Progressive Voteblocker Vigilante, killed N4
15. [

Chronopie

]: Level 85 Dwarf Marksmanship Hunter, Strongman Cycling Jack-of-all-Trades, killed N4
05. [Exilon ]: Deathwing, Bulletproof Multikill Serial Killer, Lynched D5
11. [RayFrost ]:Level 85 Worgen Shadow Priest, Unidentifiable Redirector, killed N5

There's the SK kills.

Other than that we got one cultist lynch, and one SK lynch. It's day 6 and we've had two scum lynches.

Assuming an incompetent cult is pretty obvious. I love Kats, but lets face it, whose a better choice than you and Kats?

It's fairly obvious to me right here.

PEdit: Kel-Thuzad. He's the Lich King (Arthas') right hand man, Krazy. I guess you don't know much about the Lich King and WoW lore

[Krazy]

Are you saying that you think that if cult cults someone the same night that the person dies, that the person would die before they were culted and thus would flip town instead of cult? Or am I misunderstanding you?

[Krazy]

Actually fuck it, let's try this:

Mod, if cult culted someone the same night that that player died, would they flip town or cult?

[Krazy]

Oh yeah, and GI, any comment on Vezok flipping as your claim?

[Krazy]

Wait, so Vezok WAS a real tracker, AND he was culted. So then the questions then again become:

-Do culted players retain their active abilities?

-WHEN did vezok make his claims in relation to when GI's slot made claims (including the fakeclaim?)?

If Vezok had his abilities on N3, then since there are daytime QTs, he could have told his roleswap the results of his investigation (ie the no-visit on Exilon).

[GreyICE]

Are you saying that you think that if cult cults someone the same night that the person dies, that the person would die before they were culted and thus would flip town instead of cult? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Of course, natural action resolution.

Oh yeah, and GI, any comment on Vezok flipping as your claim?

Some sort of Janitor power?

[Krazy]

Alright, so.

Scenario Brainfuck #3:

In this scenario, GreyIce is the CR. GreyIce is roleblocked N1 and N2. N3, GreyIce cults vezok. On D3, vezok roleswaps with GI, informing him of the search results. N4, vezok dies, and GreyIce cults... someone. N5, GreyIce cults... someone.

What are our options here for N4 and N5:

-Arthas. Uhm, okay, sure, but WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TODAY THEN? Not seeing this.
-Bunnylover. Really not seeing this either.
-Substrike. Not really seeing this.
-Agar. Well, assuming cult recruitment kills the ability to use active powers, this had to be last night. In which case, GreyIce I don't think can cult again tonight.

All the options for GreyIce to cult are:
-Recruitment immune
-Reflexive Roleblockers
-Arthas, who crossed GreyIce on the roleblock today.

So, if my math isn't totally fucked, I think we can actually mislynch Kats today, if town, because GreyIce probably either only has one recruit right now, or can't recruit tonight. Or both.

Where am I wrong?

[gandalf5166]

That's right, and that's exactly why I'm willing to risk lynching Kat. Then we lynch you tomorrow, and GI the next day if we still haven't gotten the recruiter.

[GreyICE]

Exactly! Even if I'm the cult leader, the right choice is to clearly lynch Kats.

But I'm town.

[Krazy]

Then we lynch you tomorrow

? So you still don't believe I vigged Fate or what?

At this point I'd really like to hear from our masons before more votes are cast. At your leisure, gentlemen.

[Bunnylover]

@Krazy: Oh, I didn't think of it like that. Thinking that because Agar is a reflexive roleblocker, cult is less likely to recruit him because they won't be able to recruit next night. Never thought of that, thats interesting.
Well by GI claiming roleblock, do we not doubt Arthas and his actions? This is LYLO, all cult needs to do is have us mislynch once. Their should be 3 cult (2 recruited + 1 CL). If we mislynch today it becomes 3/8 (culted/number of players), and if cult recruits a player (which is now possible because Katsuki can not protect), town loses since nothing can be prevented to stop cult from winning.
We must lynch a recruit or the CL (cult leader).
Oh, this isn't including if Agar shoots at night.

[Bunnylover]

Exactly! Even if I'm the cult leader, the right choice is to clearly lynch Kats.

But I'm town.

NO YOUR WRONG, THIS IS LYLO IF WE MISLYNCH WE LOSE.

[GreyICE]

Look at the cult trying to save their leader, its so cute.

[Bunnylover]

GreyIce I disagree with the fact that you agree that we can mislynch and still win.
We can't. This LYLO. We can't afford to mislynch. We have to hit the Cl or a recruit to be in this game.

[GreyICE]

Which is why we have to lynch Katsuki!

[Bunnylover]

Ok, maybe I'm just not understand.
Run it by me how Katsuki is the CL.

Also:

Unvote

for now. I'm not sure wtf is going on, how we are still in this game, or anything, but you saying that Rayfrost did nothing when he did nothing is making me doubt my vote on you.

[GreyICE]

Okay:
Her claim is substantially different than yours:

1) The cult can't kill her except by giving up a recruit. Deathwing can kill you without a similar penalty (you're not 1-shot bulletproof or something)
2) The effect of preventing a recruit on the cult is much more devastating than the effect of preventing a kill on the Serial Killer, so cult doctor is a much stronger role than normal doctor.
3) She hasn't posted much.
4) She hasn't had good arguments when she's posted.
5) Doctor is an obvious fakeclaim, and we don't have any proof like we do with you that a recruit was actually prevented.
6) It's a really convenient fakeclaim for the recruiter if they're tracked (I was PREVENTING this person's recruit, they CAN'T be scum)

Krazy laid it out very well earlier.

[Reckamonic]

Actually fuck it, let's try this:

Mod, if cult culted someone the same night that that player died, would they flip town or cult?

A player killed and culted on the same night will flip as their original role.

[Krazy]

Interesting. I wonder if I dare go for two for two.

Mod, do culted players retain the capacity to use their active abilities during night?

Not sure if I'll get so lucky on that one but can't hurt to ask, lol.

[Bunnylover]

Doubt Reck would answer that.
The more I think about it, the more GreyIce been the cult leader I doubt. GI been recruited, I do believe so.

But if Katsuki is the cult leader, then how has Katsuki fail to reach the cult win condition? I assume the WC of cult would be same as mafia, you win when nothing can stop you.