Reckamonic's WoW Mafia (Over)

[Fate]

Lol at LLd baselessly calling me scum with random people.

Krazys the PGO right? Town loss guaranteed imo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lol at LLd baselessly calling me scum with random people.

Krazys the PGO right? Town loss guaranteed imo

I'm sorry, I'M THE ONE BASELESSLY CALLING PEOPLE SCUM?

WHERE IS YOUR CASE?

OH RIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.

[Krazy]

His case is "hey look at me I am trying to humorously deflect attention off myself by pretending to be resisting an addiction to WoW so let's lynch someone else"

[Toogeloo]

Fate, if I thought I had the support to lynch you, I would. But people seem content to sheep you, so I have to settle for your scumbuddy Vezok.

You got my support... I am down for either Vezok or Fate, and if we need to get the band together, I'm all in.

Unvote
Vote: Fate

[Fate]

LLD is all FINE AND CONTENT to tie random people to me, but is too SCARED to try and drum up support for a wagon on me? Instead she has to wait for misguided clowns like Toog and Krazy to vote first?

Oh wait, as of this post, SHES STILL VOTING VEZOK BECAUSE "he's easier to get lynched"

SCUM LYNCH PEOPLE WHO ARE EASIER TO GET LYNCHED.

TOWN LYNCH WHO THEY THINK ARE SCUM.


SHE SEEMED PRETTY CONFIDENT I WAS SCUM IN HER LATEST POSTS, BUT NO VOTE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is all FINE AND CONTENT to tie random people to me, but is too SCARED to try and drum up support for a wagon on me? Instead she has to wait for misguided clowns like Toog and Krazy to vote first?

Oh wait, as of this post, SHES STILL VOTING VEZOK BECAUSE "he's easier to get lynched"

SCUM LYNCH PEOPLE WHO ARE EASIER TO GET LYNCHED.

TOWN LYNCH WHO THEY THINK ARE SCUM.


SHE SEEMED PRETTY CONFIDENT I WAS SCUM IN HER LATEST POSTS, BUT NO VOTE.

That's weak, and you know it.

I'm voting your scumbuddy, because I'm not going to be drawn into a 1v1 with influential scum.

[Katsuki]

^That's pretty rich.

Toog is strangely misguided this game. I thought panda could read Fate like a book, and vice versa.

[AKnottedRope]

And on the second part: Is there any reason why they wouldn't do the same in this one?

There are a lot of things different between these games that I've seen even in 20 pages. The mod not being a player being the first one that comes to mind. So yes, there is reason why they wouldn't do things exactly the same in this game, and you (and others, I'll get to them after you flip scum) sounding so certain that scum do have fakeclaims is scummy.

Okay. 1. THEY HAD ALREADY FUCKING CLAIMED, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THEY WERE FUCKING SERIOUS. And yes, that's already been covered. Adding you to the scumlist now.

Lol.

[Fate]

Panda can't read me, I've been able to read him numerous times though.

"I won't be drawn into a 1v1 with influential scum"

LOL IS THAT YOUR EXCUSE? You're voting off connections D1, already weak enough to be considered scummy, you're HALF-voting because of Vezok's normal play that he does as town and scum, AND YOURE AFRAID TO TRY AND GET INFLUENTIAL

TOWN

SCUM LYNCHED D1?

ITS CAUSE IM TOWN AND YOU NO YOU CANT HOLD A CANDLE TO ME, BECAUSE YOU CANT MAKE ME LOOK LIKE SCUM NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.

THE BEST YOU HAVE IS A DERPA WHO THINKS ASKING FOR A QUICKLYNCH WITHOUT A CLAIM IS SCUMMY, LOL WELCOME TO THE BIG LEAGUES KRAZY IF YOU CANT HANDLE IT GO HOME.

BTW: PAGE 27 ISNT A FUCKIN QUICKLYNCH

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[quote="Fate"]Panda can't read me, I've been able to read him numerous times though.

"I won't be drawn into a 1v1 with influential scum"

LOL IS THAT YOUR EXCUSE? You're voting off connections D1, already weak enough to be considered scummy, you're HALF-voting because of Vezok's normal play that he does as town and scum, AND YOURE AFRAID TO TRY AND GET INFLUENTIAL

TOWN

SCUM LYNCHED D1?

ITS CAUSE IM TOWN AND YOU NO YOU CANT HOLD A CANDLE TO ME, BECAUSE YOU CANT MAKE ME LOOK LIKE SCUM NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.

THE BEST YOU HAVE IS A DERPA WHO THINKS ASKING FOR A QUICKLYNCH WITHOUT A CLAIM IS SCUMMY, LOL WELCOME TO THE BIG LEAGUES KRAZY IF YOU CANT HANDLE IT GO HOME.

BTW: PAGE 27 ISNT A FUCKIN QUICKLYNCH[/quote

Fuck it. I said I wouldn't get drawn in by you, but you're fucking making my blood boil. You want your 1v1? You got it.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Fate

Massive case incoming as to why Fate is scummy scum.

[InflatablePie]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: Can you fix my tags?

Kinda ruined the moment there...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Panda can't read me, I've been able to read him numerous times though.

"I won't be drawn into a 1v1 with influential scum"

LOL IS THAT YOUR EXCUSE? You're voting off connections D1, already weak enough to be considered scummy, you're HALF-voting because of Vezok's normal play that he does as town and scum, AND YOURE AFRAID TO TRY AND GET INFLUENTIAL

TOWN

SCUM LYNCHED D1?

ITS CAUSE IM TOWN AND YOU NO YOU CANT HOLD A CANDLE TO ME, BECAUSE YOU CANT MAKE ME LOOK LIKE SCUM NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.

THE BEST YOU HAVE IS A DERPA WHO

THINKS ASKING FOR A QUICKLYNCH WITHOUT A CLAIM IS SCUMMY

, LOL WELCOME TO THE BIG LEAGUES KRAZY IF YOU CANT HANDLE IT GO HOME.

BTW: PAGE 27

ISNT A FUCKIN QUICKLYNCH

Which is it then Fate?

BTW, asking for a quick lynch without a claim is

bad

. I doubt even you are that brash... as town.

[Fate]

Let's see this case.

I'll even make one on you....

AND MAY THE REAL TOWN WIN.


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HEHHAHAAAAAAAA

[Toogeloo]

I'd like to see a real case presented against LLD by you Fate; preferably something other than snipping quotes to say "I am scum" and your word of "Kill it" which is all you have presented thus far.

[Fate]

Hm? I've always had a case, I just haven't shared it because I've been busy at work or unmotivated to do so when the people voting her clearly understand why she's scummy.

Are you saying I just vote random people off baseless reasons with nothing to back them up?

Hah.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why Fate is a scumbag

Reason 1: His lack of substantial evidence, even when asked to provide some.

Fate's point as to why I am scum are, in order:
1. Fake Masonry to make us think she's town
2. My Vote on Chrono
3. LLD is only pushing VI wagons.

Let me refute these.

First off, it was blatantly obvious that the masonry thing between me and Kat was FAKE, and a JOKE. Fate was in OoT mafia, he would KNOW this. Furthermore, to suggest that it's a scum tactic to fake claim a masonry with someone I'm not even affiliated with is laughable. This is the reason Fate gives in his vote for me, and it's completely unfounded and reaching.

Secondly, my Chrono vote was explained in my ISO#35. I will point out that I gave reasons for my Chrono vote. Fate also voted Chrono in his ISO#4. He never did state a reason for it, and later unvoted in favor of me. My Chrono vote being explained is a weak case... and actually contradicts a later case of his.

Thirdly, Fate claims that I am scum for only pursuing VI wagons. This is false, and a blatant lie by Fate. Why? Because

Fate had just finished calling me scum for voting Chrono

. Unless you're calling Chrono a VI, this is fabricated. Also, my only wagon I have supported that is a VI is VEZOK, and it's NOT because he's a VI. It's because he's scum with Fate!scum over here. I'll show you why later in this post.

Those are Fate's ONLY three points. You know what the rest of his case is?

That's the Fate I remember.

...

I liked it better when we were thinking similar. I want my archer of angels back.

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.

YOU GONNA VOTE LLD OR NOT?

Holy crap.

Pie sucks at this gambiting thing. I still want to lynch him but I think we gotta move on.

unvote

YOU.
VOTE.
LLD.
NOW.

Lol.... now Lld is pushing vezok.

First drmy, now vezok?

LLD lynch, soon.

So this is Fate's plan. Lay down baseless accusations with minimal facts, and then tunnel2victory.

Reason 2: Fate is awfully defensive of Vezok

Vezok, who is scummy in his own right for constantly switching back and forth between wagons, sheeping Fate, then distancing from Fate, then sheeping him again....

Is being defended and COACHED by Fate.

You want examples? Here we go:

Oh AGar.. I can't believe I didn't see this. Vezok DID counter-claim IP.

Vezok, you are saying that you have a DKnight PM and that Lichborne is not a part of yours?

Still, my gut says that Reck more likely fucked up in writing IP's PM and didn't make them all the same or something, I still don't see IPscum doing what he did.

"Vezok, did you mean THIS THING I WANT YOU TO SAY?"

Chesskid get your clownside of the hydra in fucking check.

Yes if vezok and IP are in a 1v1, IP loses.

NO reason to quickfuckinghammer EXCEPT SCUM MOTIVATED before we get confirmation that there is no role PM error.

"If Vezok and IP are in a 1v1, I support my scumbuddy Vezok!"

VEZOK IS TOWN.

NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID ON THAT MATTER.

NO IM NOT FUCKING MASONS WITH HIM.

Do I need to say anything about this one? He's saying that Vezok is town, but giving no reasons as to why he believes as such.

Essentially, Vezok is scum. Fate is linked to Vezok, coaching and defending him. Thus, Fate is scum.

Reason 3: Pure Rage, no reason

So, Fate is essentially throwing out Rage to cover his tracks, covering that he has no backing to any of his claims.

I don't have a wall of quotes for this because I don't feel like

quoting his entire ISO.

I have asked for a case.... repeatedly.... and no dice. He refuses. Why? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE.

Furthermore, he's using his rage to cover

his desire to get me lynched, FAST.

He slipped a bit, and said he wanted me lynched without a claim. Isn't that odd? A quick lynch, with no claim? What possible

town motivation can exist for that?

In short,

THERE IS NO TOWN MOTIVATION BEHIND A QUICKLYNCH WITH NO CLAIM.

Just another reason why

he is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There you go. See? When a TOWNIE votes someone, and says they are scum, THEY PRESENT A CASE.

When they are asked for reasons, THEY PROVIDE THEM.

You don't. You're scum. We're done.

[Fate]

K guess I'll go make that case now.

To refute your whole case, which I haven't read yet cause the bolding shows me how much of a bullshit stretch it is:

THE TOWN MOTIVATION BEHIND WANTING SCUM LYNCHED BECAUSE ONE IS SURE THEY ARE SCUM AND THEY HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE ANY CLAIM OUTSIDE 'CONFIRMABLE MASON/TOWN ONLY ABILITY/TOWNISH/USEFUL ROLES-WHICH WOULD BE CLAIMED FAR BEFORE SAID QUICKLYNCH HAPPENED' I"VE DONE IT COUNTLESS TIMES AND I"VE STOPPED SCUM FROM OUTING TOWN PRS COUNTLESS TIMES. NOT ABOUT TO STOP NOW.

[Fate]

LLD WHY ARE WE VOTING CHRONO?

READ HIS POSTS.

YOU TELL ME :3

JUST READ THEM.

There you go. See? When a TOWNIE votes someone, and says they are scum, THEY PRESENT A CASE.

When they are asked for reasons, THEY PROVIDE THEM.

You don't. You're scum. We're done.

Hypocrisy for future readers. Read at your own ragediscretion

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD WHY ARE WE VOTING CHRONO?

READ HIS POSTS.

YOU TELL ME :3

JUST READ THEM.

There you go. See? When a TOWNIE votes someone, and says they are scum, THEY PRESENT A CASE.

When they are asked for reasons, THEY PROVIDE THEM.

You don't. You're scum. We're done.

Hypocrisy for future readers. Read at your own ragediscretion

You note that a few posts later, I post the case. Just sayin.

[Fate]

So it seems there is a third force afoot here, something other than horde and alliance? If both horde and alliance win when "there are no more threats to Azeroth" then perhaps third party forces........ like the mod....... could be lynched.

I was under the impression that we're not supposed to quote PMs. What other third parties could there be? SK? Fool? Lyncher? Cult? If Lyncher or Fool won, would the game end, or would they simply fulfill their win conditions and everyone else would keep playing?

Scum #1 here.

He dies after the mod.

Calls a weak player scum for being... weak. Evidence one of LLD picking easy targets.

People said that whenever I asked questions like that during the Marathon, and every time I was town and the people claiming it was scum were scum themselves. Asking role questions about a weird setup is not scummy; however, snapping at anyone trying to get a sense of what the hell is going on certainly is. Do you already have all the answers about how this setup works, Lamdadelta, that you don't need to ask questions because you already know who, or what, the opposing factions are?

Actually, I was trying to imply that you are showing a TMI scum tell here...

You're jumping VERY quickly to the assumption that both Hoard and Alliance are town, and that a third party scum team exists outside those two...

Almost like you know?

It's scummy. And besides that, I have a gut read on you. You're super passive.

Trying to turn around KRazy's suspicion on itself, aka saying "YOU'RE doing what you're accusing me of, YOURE THE ONE WITH TMI NOT ME! I"VE PLAYED IT VERY SAFE" as she showed earlier with her "what who says horde and alliance are both town? Not me...!" trying to appear naive of the set-up is her focus, so she pushes her mislynch cases based off the scumtell she is ACTIVELY trying to avoid committing. It's a complicated tell, but its common sense if you think about it:

As scum she is being cautious not to let too much of her inside info slip. Therefore she sees OTHER'S who are committing something resembling that much more often, and calls THEM out.

Like a thief looking at someone with a bulge in their pocket and going "SHOPLIFTER!" whilst trying to conceal theirs.

In a Cult confirmed game... gee, I wonder what other third parties might be afoot...

It should be noted that no where in the sign up thread, nor this thread, has any mention of Horde or Alliance being aligned (or maligned, what have you). All we know is there is a Cult. In a game such as WoW, where Alliance and Horde is equally split (for the most part), and the determination of good and evil depends on the side of the fight you are, I see no reason to disbelieve Horde and Alliance not both being town atm. Consider that in the grand scheme of WoW, Horde and Alliance have common enemies...


If this is a bastard mod, I will be a sad panda. Would remind me of Haylen's "Earth Struggle" Mafia... I hated the ending of that thing.

Vote: Reckamonic

Fair enough about the cult.

But from Krazy's post, we can assume one of two things:

He's either cult, trying to throw away suspicion

Or

He didn't know about the cult.

Assuming the second one, my point about him assuming a third party scum team still stands.

I don't see the logical progression of thought here. So when PANDA says that both horde and alliance could be town, she says "fair enough about the CULT?" What does that have to do with what she was saying about Horde+Alliance being town=TMI?

And then she creates this false dillema of Krazy either being a cult, or him not knowing about the cult and still displaying the TMI tell she talked about earlier.

[Fate]

unvote

Cult please take me I don't want to be on the side of the town anymore

If he's town, he deserves to be lynched for this anyway.

But I read this as an attempt to make himself look town. More scum points. Yay.

LYNCH AWAY.

Lol do I even need to say it? Posts like these are why I haven't put much effort into a case on LLD, she makes them herself.

"He's either town that deserves to be PL'd or scum TRYING TO LOOK LIKE TOWN REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY HOOOOOO" Evidence #2 of easy target picking.

UNVOTE: VOTE: IP

Hops on the popular IP wagon, for "Lying" gives no justification because she figures if she spends too much time wording it, that it may read as off or scummy. So she just bandwagons and if anyone calls her out she'll probably just cite someone elses's reasons for wanting to get a piece of the IP action.

[Fate]

Then I enter the game and start catching up.

DSMIS votes me for claiming not town or whatever, and

LLD abandons her IP vote, which was a bandwagon vote on a popular wagon that would've gained a lot of information for town

but she discards it when she sees DSMIS being a tool:

Question... why aren't we considering that the day-recruit could be cult?

It's not LIKELY.... I'd be shocked if it was... but I don't know why nobody has proposed that theory.

Also, let me re-read this fake PM/day-vig shit.

P-edit: UNVOTE: VOTE: DMSIS

For pure idiocy.

She says "oh I'll re-read that stuff. In the meantime lemme throw this BS policy vote on DSMIS and see if THAT gains traction."

As scum I got dsmis/gandalf lynched last Reck-game through brute force. It isn't hard at all AND ITS very appealing. Everyone will be on the lynch for the same reason, and it will be pretty popular. She jumps at it the second she seems him being an idiot, which she admits "idiocy" not scumbaggery.

[Fate]

Also, Arthas needs to stop acting like they're some amazing god of mafia who can call Obvtown 9 pages into a game.

Honestly, it's Chesskid and Gandalf. That should be all you need to know about their reads. >.>

This being said, I see that the IP shot was a gambit, and Krazy had a pretty town reaction. Good, that clears that up.

I'm looking at Chrono as being potential scum. Arthas is a good vig shot too.

P-Edit: Fate, I'm voting DMSIS because he's claiming that your post claimed scum... Did it?

Keep this in mind. She wants a policy lynch on DSMIS whilst looking at Chrono/Arthas for scum vig shots.

Wanting policy lynches and directing a vig on "scumspects" is scummy as fuck all. Its how I caught Parama in dram's first large normal game.

"potential scum"

Uh huh.

I don't know, you tell me whether my post was claiming scum or not. Voting DSMIS for being an idiot is akin to wasting your breath, and there's no town motivation other thamn to distract from the budding Chronobuddy wagon.

Oh, the vote was just to further emphasize the point that he's a fucking fool. (Not the role.)

Oh, and UNVOTE: VOTE: Chronopie

Happy? I'd like to see Arthas shot by some kind of vig tonight.

P-Edit: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE CALLS IT A GAMBIT.

Then she tries to appease me by voting who I was calling at scum at the time. Notice this, in this post she basically is SHEEPING ME. Let's see when her reasoning for this vote, which she just claimed she made, comes:

I'm a bitch, I know.

Don't make me feel worse about saying that, k? >.>

Also, moar Chrono votes pl0x.

She makes plenty of quotes like these, blatantly calling for a Chrono wagon.

I'm honored that Fate finds me such a threat that he wants me dead first.

As for the Chrono case;

1. Primarily, his vote on Krazy was opportunist scum. He never gives a reason for it in his ISO, and merely says "This wagon works too". Not good.
2. As a minor note, I wonder if scum have Day Talk in this game. If they don't, Chrono's posts outlining what each racial ability does reads to me as "HEY SCUMBUDDIES, SEE THIS? MAKE NOTE OF THIS."

@Mod: Does scum have daytalk in this game?

She feels honored that I would respect her as scum. Yes this is scum frame of mindset arguement. Why isn't she saying in this post, "Lol Fate Im glad you respect my scum game, BUT IM NOT SCUM DUMMY" instead she gives her flippant rolly eyes and tries to dismiss my suspicion.

Anyway this is her Chrono case:
1. What makes Chrono's vote on Krazy opportunistic and no one elses? Is a bandwagon vote really so damning as to say "MOAR CHRONO VOTES PL0X" for pages and pages?
2. IF scum don't have daytalk... then LOL HES TALKIN TO HIS SCUMMBUDDIUES IN THREAD. BUllshit bullshit bullshit.

Then, as Katsuki pointed out, LLD deflects suspicion by asking the mod if scum have daytalk.

LLD has a photographic memory, aka

she remembers when I did this in Kitoari's Game when I was scum, and UK and others called me near-confirmed town for the ploy.

Its not a geniune question at all, its bullshit and not thought through because said memory would REALIZE scum have daytalk in all of Reck's large games as well as all QTs.

its just a "pro-town" stun question.