Mini 1026 - Ohne Mafia (Game Over!)

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/confirm

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What is everyone's opinions on lurkers?
I dislike people actively lurking. Inactivity that is forced due to RL is different. I wouldn't make a case solely on lurking, though, until it is at least day 2 or 3, and it would have to be terribly obvious. I stick more with bantering with active players. It really depends on the player, their meta, etc. I would view it as more of something I find mildly distasteful and casually scummy.

Have you heard of Andy Burnham?
No. Sorry. Who is he?

How do you plan to find scum?
I will raise my level of play, and pick up on slips. I'll use behavioral analysis and possibly voting patterns.

How would you describe your playing style?
The calm before the storm.

How much mafia have you played?
10-15 games on and off site.

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vote

: wraith for conforming

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FoS:

Boberz for checking the forum and not posting

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FoS:

Boberz for checking the forum and not posting

If this is a serious fos, then why are you keeping your random vote?

it wasn't serious.

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this, however, is:

vote: boberz

what is that at?

[Furcolow]

that might be l-1

unvote

i want a claim, and i don't want scum to hammer

[Furcolow]

is putting pressure on someone to claim and possibly slip up as scum better than having a mislynch day 1? I don't know. I do know that any lynch is better than a no lynch. I will not be around to unvote for a couple hours in case he makes a believable defense of himself, so if someone else who has a vote on bob could stick around, that would be great.

vote: boberz

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Voting me based upon what? I haven't done anything wrong this game whatsoever that has negatively impacted anything, and me putting FoS onto him a couple of pages ago is what lead to this vote in the first place in my eyes, so I don't see where you're going with this archaebob, and I really don't appreciate your language.

I don't know if boberz is scum, but if he doesn't come around to defend himself I wouldn't really mind someone hammering him. I really dislike not having a deadline in general, as I'm used to 48 hour days believe it or not.

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@ Furcolow -

Voting me based upon what? I haven't done anything wrong this game whatsoever that has negatively impacted anything, and me putting FoS onto him a couple of pages ago is what lead to this vote in the first place in my eyes, so I don't see where you're going with this archaebob

Putting someone up to L-1 and asking for a claim on page 3 is horrendously bad for town. D1 needs to be at least 10-12 pages before a lynch will be acceptable. And that is a bare, I mean

bare

minimum. Upwards of 20 pages is more likely, and probably closer to optimal. The main priority D1 is gathering information; we want to have lots of conversation about as many players as possible before going to night so that we are best equipped to catch the scum later in the game.

and I really don't appreciate your language.

How old are you?

I don't know if boberz is scum, but if he doesn't come around to defend himself I wouldn't really mind someone hammering him. I really dislike not having a deadline in general, as I'm used to 48 hour days believe it or not.

There is a deadline. It is in two weeks.

Have you ever played mafia on this site before?

You say day 1 is about gathering information. I don't care if someone is lynched on page 2 or page 50, if someone is at L-2 or L-1 I am going to ask them to claim. Your saying that it is about information yet pushing against me for trying to get information is pure hypocrisy.

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@ Furcolow - You didn't answer my two questions.

And there's no hypocrisy. There's a difference between gathering information that helps town and asking for information that helps scum. The ONLY thing you are going to accomplish by asking for a claim this early is to out a PR. This is a terrible idea. How exactly does asking for a claim help town this early in the game? It certainly helps scum.

@ boberz -

Can you post a few links of town metas?

I prefer claiming as town. The last time I was a PR, I was a jailkeeper, and I tried to organize a mass roleclaim. That is basically like admitting you're a medic, which isn't common at all, but it's how I prefer to play the game. I feel like the more information that is flowing, the better it is for the town. Sorry you disagree.

I did not catch your 2 questions you asked me


@Moose: how fat is the blunt? Good point, though. People do act differently based upon what they know, and the circumstances surrounding what is happening.


I am content with boberz defense of himself. I'm not ready to write him off as confirmed, and I wasn't ever really suspicious of the RQS, I was suspicious of his lurking the forum and not posting until being called out on it.

@Tasky: I guess you think that I'm mafia, if you're voting for me, or you're mafia trying to pressure a power role. Either way, I don't really care. No case is going to stick to me.

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forgot to do this:

unvote

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I can't imagine why you would to be honest
I am trying to win here

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In response to your rolefishing to see if I'm a townie, I'm not going to claim at this point of the game. I will claim when the town agrees that is the best option. I have claimed way too early in other games which has lead to my lynch when I wasn't scum. I am going to try to learn from that. What do we have in the day as a town besides our votes? You can't expect to have a dayvig EVERY game.

The reason I placed him at L-1 was because I feel that pressuring someone is the best way to get information on day one. Another reason I voted him was because I had indicated I was going to previously by putting FoS on him. I liked the case that had been associated with him, except in relation to his questionnaire, so I wanted to pressure him for his lurkiness, and then didn't feel bad about it where I had originally staked my claim through FoS. When I saw he was at L-1, though, counting all the votes on him, and checking the player list, I hastily unvoted before scum could hammer.

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Fur- Sorry. that sentence was badly worded. I meant that i believed you were protown despite others' opinion. Though, you say that you wanted to vote to pressure him, but not lynch? My onion of votes is that they are to be used on people that you want to lynch. hmm?

if he responds poorly to the pressure, i'll continue with the 2nd step, sure. I wouldn't have minded lynching boberz at all, just like I don't mind Wraith being lynched. I believe those are the two people I've voted for.

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@Wraith: My "flip flopping" as you're trying to refer to it as was intended only so scum couldn't hammer. When Archaebob unvoted, though, it wasn't L-1. I didn't want him at be at L-1, L-2 was fine with me.

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/confirm

heya femm, my fellow newbie 997 se!

And I'm not a democrat.

vote: nic

...

unvote

This is the entirety of his posts.

unvote
vote: a2rudeboy

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He is not posting for me to get a read on him, so I'm voting for him. Scum can be inactive.

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@NicolBolas: I don't really follow guidelines in this game as you can tell. I've always heard that "it's not time to lynch inactives until day 3, day 2 at the earliest". Have you heard that? If you have, why is that?

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@caelum: my fos wasn't serious because it was page 1. Do you believe you can catch scum on page 1? Typically people who FoS and vote someone like I did will be aligned with the person they FoSed in the first place, correct? Isn't that a standard JEEP tell?

In regards to boberz saying I get mislynched as a townie quite often, I am not going to be changing my play whatsoever.

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Fur, do you really think reading a game and not posting is a scumtell, when I had already posted in it several times??? Surely not.

I saw you online and tried to get a reaction out of you. Based upon the way you responded, you were decently close to being lynched. I'm surprised that there was such an evening out and a counterpush, though, at all, which indicates that scum may have not wanted you lynched whatsoever. This feels, to me, as more of a fifty fifty scenario. I am more suspicious of you right now than I was when I voted for you, but it's not what I believe, it's what I can make the town believe in that regards. If the town believes I'm mafia, when I'm a medic, I'm going to be lynched and be a dead medic. If the town believes I'm a detective, and I'm really the Godfather, well. My point is that I am not going to be voting for you, but I am open to the possibility of you having been saved by your team.

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Typically people who FoS and vote someone like I did will be aligned with the person they FoSed in the first place, correct?

Just pointing out a sentence i really dont like from Fur. I see no protown motivation for saying this.

Of course you don't. You have the second amount of votes and I have the first. If you didn't push me you'd be dumb

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pushing doesnt = voting to you? cute.

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vote: NicolBolas

for being a liar

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"pushing femm" while voting me is lying about who you want lynched

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oh, that was foilist

unvote

sorry

[Furcolow]

if mafia was a vote for president i would win everytime

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I am going to put the names in this game through a random name generator to pick my lynch target

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There were 11 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

1. Tasky
2. caelum
3. moose200x
4. foilist13
5. a2rudeboy
6. Wraith
7. boberz
8. NicolBolas
9. Hrezs
10. archaebob
11. FEMM the Attorney

Timestamp: 2010-08-19 03:17:01 UTC

unvote
Vote: Tasky

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Archaebob is hurt because he dislikes plans in which he can't steer the town's lynch to mislynch a townie based on policy. For trying to force someone to play the way he wants, which is more stifling of discussion than any idea i've had so far, I am going to vote him. My posting of an RNL was a ploy to see who would be completely against it. Someone commenting like "isn't that anti-town?" appears as town/null in my opinion. Someone opposing it completely in favor of an informed lynch implies that they have information. Archaebob, I would also like you to defend why you are so against a random lynch whatsoever, when a random lynch is better than a no lynch for the town afaiac.

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@ Furc -

I'm not interested in discussing anything with you anymore. You're useless to me. I can't even get a read on you because of how much of a VI you are.

EVER THOUGHT I DO THAT ON PURPOSE? LOL

All warfare is based on deception. Therefore, when capable of attacking, feign incapacity; when active in moving troops, feign inactivity. When near the enemy, make it seem that you are far away; when far away, make it seem that you are near.

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you all aren't going to make me claim this game btw

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I have a good reason not to be lynched: I'm a ......

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jester. oh, wait, lynch me plz.

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I believe the word you're looking for is "tunneling", is it not?

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probably because he is scum

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i'm going to read him in iso

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1: negative response to RQS, negative in general is anti-town. minor fos on boberz
2: negative response to rolefishing, then flip flops and says he doesnt mind rolefishing, then minor fos on me
from 3: on seem like town to me
it's interesting to note he is against wraith. Wraith is basically OMGUS right here.

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I wasn't worried about boberz claim whatsoever. I was ready for him to be lynched because of lurking and Archaebob's post.

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Post 113= I will claim when the town agrees that is the best option.

post 212= you all aren't going to make me claim this game btw

There is some things that I simply will not claim when I am town on day 1. If the town agrees to have something significant out in the open, then by all means, I will follow suit. I disagree with playing like that unless we are ALL going to coordinate NOW.

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there are*

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I'm not a dayvig

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No. I would have used my power already.

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That would have been stepping up my play, honestly. Having a confirmed townie is huge.

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when did I say I'm a confirmed townie? I said I would have been if I was a dayvig

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@Furcolow: Who are your top 3 suspects and why?

Wraith for OMGUS on Hresz
boberz for lurking earlier, and archaebob's post about him
FEMM the attorney, because I literally can't remember one thing they've said

Fur- i would appreciate it if you answered this simple question. What are you trying to accomplish with your play? Did you find anything from it so far?

Foil- what do you have to say to my post?

I am trying to get better. I honestly have been playing poorly this game, and would hate to have to claim.

Fur are you intentionally ignoring the second question I asked you on page 6 and have reminded you twice now(?) to answer?

I am content with boberz defense of himself. I'm not ready to write him off as confirmed, and I wasn't ever really suspicious of the RQS, I was suspicious of his lurking the forum and not posting until being called out on it.

I don't remember Bober ever addressing him lurking on the forum, so unless you can point that out, I want you to explain how you were satisfied with his defense.

Also:

I wasn't worried about boberz claim whatsoever. I was ready for him to be lynched because of lurking and

Archaebob's post.

I am content with boberz defense of himself. I'm not ready to write him off as confirmed, and I wasn't ever really suspicious of the RQS,

I was suspicious of his lurking the forum and not posting until being called out on it.

I love when people try to make their reasoning sound better by lying about it

There is no question there. You make a statement.
Rephrase it.

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i want to hammer so bad

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i should change my name to M.C. Hammer

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I had a post typed up, but honestly Caelum is addressing the point I wanted to make. Archaebob basically told you guys who to vote.

[Furcolow]

he is my strongest town read up to this point, so it might not necessarily be a bad thing, you're right

[Furcolow]

he's at like L-3
you don't have to unvote him

vote: moose

[Furcolow]

this thread made me think I was watching a Tourettes guy video on the past page. Although I feel like moose is flailing, I don't feel like moose is flailing as scum. I am, in my gut, trusting of this claim. Anger = Town.

unvote

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moose, who do you think is a good lynch?

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moose, who do you think is a good lynch?

I never liked wraith. I said before but the fast he never posted until he was pressured and then once the pressure let off he stopped posting again.

aren't you being kind of hypocritical here?
lol

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No, because I'm in 3 games with him, and he "reappeared" in one of those to post suspicions of people at the same time

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It's just coincidence.

Yes. I don't think he is, but I have to prepare for that possibility. The place he is taking is one scum does not like to take, though, although I've seen ReaperCharlie do it so it's possible. He is in the spotlight, leadin the towns lynches, which is great to do as scum if you can do it. The problem is it's hard to do.

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@Wraith: good post, but I feel that it should be more defensive oriented than offensive oriented at the point of the game. I feel like you should be claiming to us, not telling us who to lynch

[Furcolow]

second WoT? Wheel of Time?

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just got caught up. I don't support a Caelum lynch, to be honest. He strikes me as a town player this game, and I follow my gut.

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More intelligent than you, obviously.

[Furcolow]

I see what you did there

[Furcolow]

I've been scum with foilist once, and I replaced out.
I refuse to EVER be scum with him again.

[Furcolow]

any dayvigs out there hit boberz for being a VI

good idea boberz

[Furcolow]

Well, Archaebob, you are honestly wrong about me. There is no way I would be on foilist's team unless I was apart of the uninformed majority.

[Furcolow]

All I said was he posted in another game
I wasn't discussing the nature of said game
nor was I saying which specific game I was talking about
I didn't know it was illegal to do that if you didn't actually give any information...

Thanks for being immature about something that literally gives 0 information about another game, and is irrelevant to this one
I was noting activity

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Well, I'll be waiting on the moderator's decision before I commit any further time or energy to this game.

[Furcolow]

I hate foilist because of a mafia vs werewolves game. I refuse to ever be on his team unless I don't know it. There is no way in bloody hell I would ever be mafia with him.

[Furcolow]

I've read up on the thread. Typically, from my experience, townies are the ones at each other's throats. That is what I'm reading a lot of this to be, tbqh. Combine that with my town reads, and there's half the game gone with the information I believe I have, and it's only day 1.

I have a very good plan which will largely help the town tonight.

[Furcolow]

if i die there's nothing that i can do, so i hope that a medic will protect me if we have one

[Furcolow]

I have been emotionally drained, and I can't catch up on mafia right now, because I've had a very taxing day in real life. I will have to catch up tomorrow.

[Furcolow]

vote: archaebob

he is lying about me, so I hope he flips scum. If he doesn't, his reads are wrong, and he should go read some wiki

[Furcolow]

because he is probably archaebob's scumbuddy, and they are epically detracting from our ability to see it

[Furcolow]

pretty sure they're trying to bus one another
how else would archaebob know foilist is even trying to bus or that's his playstyle?
it's obvious to me archaebob/foilist is scum, or possibly both

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i don't agree at all
most arguments like that are town on town

[Furcolow]

most

arguments like that are town on town

Not all?

Clearly foilist/archaebob/nicolbolas scumteam is a possibility

[Furcolow]

Well, if we're the townies, and we know one power role, then we are doing fairly decent. I say flip Archaebob and see who dies in the night. My vote stands.

[Furcolow]

You are generally unhelpful this game
Archaebob is the other goon, and you all are blindly following Foilist's insanity

[Furcolow]

You could start by voting to lynch one of your scumpartners

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I feel like doing a gambit, and claiming to be town to martyr yourself for a lynch, is an idiotic strategy. The only reason you're even trying to falsify some semblance of a resemblance between the two, is because you are attempting to use a means to reach an end. That won't help us as a town. You are trying to mire our path with smoke and mirrors, so I don't believe that you just found this, I feel like you're lying. I would lay down $100 on the table that you were planning to do this regardless of alignment. You are likely scum, and definitely deserve to be lynched for your play this game.

I could say the same thing you said. Lynch me, then lynch Archaebob/Foilist/NicolBolas when I flip town, but I don't play that way, sorry. My alignment is not relative to yours, and the fact that you keep pushing and tunneling on the same people shows me how wrong you are since I know my role. You need to open your mind up, and broaden your views.

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why does posting "why are you still posting?" make you appear to be posting anything relevant at all? I could ask you the same thing. You are by no means confirmed or anything yourself, boberz, and the fact that your wagon slipped on day 1 might indicate that you have some buddies in this game.

[Furcolow]

watcher watch moose tonight if we have one
moose, who are you going to track?

[Furcolow]

if we knew who he was tracking, and have a watcher, we can confirm him
duh

[Furcolow]

@ wraith & furcolow -

It's bus time and you know it. Look at my wagon. All three of you assholes are on it right now. Y'all must be REALLY scared of me, if you're going to allow yourselves to gang up in unison on someone you already know is going to flip town. Do you think this won't be coming up later? Think again.

@ everyone -

I'd like you to note that all three of the people I picked out as scum are voting for me right now. Neither of the two partners I picked for him are on his wagon, despite the two of us being entirely interchangeable. And please, pretty please read my exchange with Wraith. He truly has given no reason for preferring my lynch over foilist, despite my having called him out on his opportunistic logic multiple times.

Wraith: I prefer you over foilist for reasons 1, 2, 3

Me: Reason 2 is stupid, and reasons 1 and 3 apply equally to foilist.

Wraith: I'm going to ignore what you just said completely and carry on like nothing has happened.

Look, Archaebob,

I doubt the other people you suspect are scum, because I know you're wrong about me.
That's why I'm lynching you

If you attack someone, they are probably going to try to lynch you. A lot of people have found your play scummy this game. I am not sure whether or not you are scum or town, but I am more sure of you/NicolBolas/Foilist than any other candidates. You all are just simply trying to steer the town more than other people. We are guaranteed to catch you as scum this game. I would stake my reputation on it. I would pretty much

guarantee

it. Scum will usually have someone who is active and trying to steer the town in their direction. That's you this game.

There are probably people who are lurking scum in our midst tho, so we will have to look at contributions in the night and on day 2 to catch them. We can consolidate as a town around someone who could be confirmed tonight if we used moose properly.



If you knew what role I really was you would laugh at yourself for how wrong you are. You must be a terrible player.

[Furcolow]

do you speak english as a main language?

[Furcolow]

I really wanted to reply, but I was mentally unable to. I'm not quite sure what you were asking there, bob.

[Furcolow]

there are 3 scum in this game
surely we should have more than 2 candidates, though i'm pretty sure abob is scum

[Furcolow]

maybe because i'm not scum

[Furcolow]

There could be 2 scum if there is an SK, and I still consider that scum, so that'd be 3 scum. There could be more, I guess, but I don't see 8 v 4 ever being fair.

[Furcolow]

I'm back from V/LA... I'd appreciate if everybody made a small post with their current stances on the game... this makes it easier for me to see how the game evolved while I reread.
I think it should also be helpful to focus the game a little

My general stance on the game is that Archaebob and Foilist have had a ploy via a play-fight and are scum together

[Furcolow]

id rather foilist blue snipe than abob honestly

[Furcolow]

If they're both scum, I'd rather foilist be sending in who he wants to kill than archaebob, meaning I'd prioritize and kill archaebob before I would kill foilist.

[Furcolow]

many people use that term
sorry you're living in a bubble

[Furcolow]

many people use that term
sorry you're living in a bubble

Show me, I have played a fair bit and it is certainly not common. Quote anyone other than you saying it.

Ask agar is he is familiar with the term
Sorry this is over your head

[Furcolow]

Why would you rather have foilist sending the kill, isnt it likely that a a partner would be sending in the kill?

Noted how fur didnt answer the important bit.

Learn how to speak English properly, and I might be more apt to respond to you

[Furcolow]

Tone down the ad hom, please. Apt to do something means inclined to.
Your post can be summed up with "Q.Q", honestly. The first good post you've made all game which makes me actually believe you're on the town's side this game, and you replace out?

Why do you have to quit? If you really are going to contribute like that, we need you around. Step it up. I'm sorry you can't find things to be clear, and I disagree with you on the usage of the word apt. Apt to means inclined, bro. Same thing. Sorry your English sucks until you actually try like you did in the post above.

[Furcolow]

in American English, where I am from, it is a fancy word for likely

UM. I need to grow up? I just got all As my last semester, have had a girlfriend for two years....

My vote is on Abob, which is where I want it, since he is likely to flip scum

[Furcolow]

I am more sure of ArchaeBob honestly bro
and stop the insults if you're not replacing out

[Furcolow]

I am not anyones scum buddy
I guess we were town buddies before he chose to replace

[Furcolow]

2 scum on my wagon at least
note foilist and archaebob both jumping on me, as they are scumbuddies

[Furcolow]

I'm a little less certain of archaebob being scum, the more I look at his most recent post. It feels like he really just wants a lynch, which is better than a no lynch as town on day 1, though it might be scum wanting a mislynch. Oh well, what can you do.

Foilist has hopped on every wagon he can. My gut is telling me that he is scum, as are half the people in the thread.
I don't see why you guys don't find ArchaeBob's spotlighting scummy, but I guess scummy=/=scum always. I will take a good look at him tomorrow.

Unvote;
Vote: Foilist

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furcolow mislynch, you mean

[Furcolow]

too bad if I flip you would facepalm if you are town

[Furcolow]

So if I'm a power role I should replace out?

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: caycedo

good catch moose

[Furcolow]

if you all are even considering lynching me, just know that i can be fully confirmed in the night stage
great job making me have to say that

[Furcolow]

can we just lynch abob? honestly, he can't be that important of a role
he is seriously inhibiting this game from being played properly with his tunneling

[Furcolow]

scum

would

claim vanilla

[Furcolow]

yeah, if there is a medic out there, they really need to protect me tonight