@ nicol -
nicol wrote: In other news, I really am starting to get uncomfortable about archaebob's extreme efforts at bossing players around.
Get over it. This game is exceptionally dense with facepalm for something not out of the newbie queue, and I'm actively trying to direct people towards what I think this town needs to do to win. I understand that you aren't necessarily convinced of my alignment, but bossing people around is a pretty consistent staple of my town meta.
archaebob wrote:He has insuititated that it would be bad to vote for "active" players, which he clearly is a part of. I kind of get the feeling that archaebob is trying to take up the reins of the town, and steer us where he wants to go.
Yep. That's exactly what I insinuated, and what I'm trying to do. Voting active, coherent players D1 is usually a bad move, unless the general playing quality of the town is very high. This is because D1 lynches usually don't have enough info to hit scum, meaning that you are risking seriously crippling the town if you mislynch an intelligent player. My policy: always leave smart scum for later in the game, unless everyone in the town is smart.
nicol wrote: archaebob, you forget, 12 people working together can be more productive than a single person trying to do everything himself.
As far as me "taking up the reins of the town" goes, it is indeed what I'm doing right now. However, this is not the position I want to be in. If you pay attention, all my direction to other players consists of efforts to convince them to "work together." There are only some ways of "working together" that are helpful though. For most of this game everyone has been talking past each other, taking idiotic stances on things, and moving in what are on the whole entirely uncoordinated directions. Right now I'm insulting people, giving orders, and trying to "control the town" simply to kick everyone in the ass a little and get this town in shape.
And it's working. Slowly, but it's working.
nicol wrote: Let me remind everyone:
Walls of text, nicely formatted, along with telling people what to do in a protown attitude =/= being town.
This is true. But it IS much harder to appear town consistently without slipping up while posting the amount of content that I am.
Now, you shouldn't take this as a town tell for me, because I'm pretty fucking awesome at being scum, meaning I'm good enough to post a lot of content and still not slip up that much. [/joke]
However, you really should be more concerned right now with the people who aren't posting much at all. You're resisting the wraith wagon because you haven't seen any actual "scum-tells" in his play, only "anti-town" things. My question to you is this: How do you know that Wraith
wouldn't
drop more scum-tells if he was pressured into posting more? It's easier to avoid mistakes when you post little to no content, and wraith seems like a pretty smart player. This is why lurking or active lurking
in and of itself
must be considered a scum tell by the town.
nicol wrote: It is unbelievably easy for the town to be led in circles by scum using this technique. If you want a good example of this- look at Vollkan (Another player on MS). When he is scum, he uses this technique.
It's not that easy. Trust me. Some players are really exceptional at this game, and get away with it. But keeping up an active posting rate and trying to boss the town around is hard as shit to do when you're scum.
I don't care if you vote wraith right now (we're already at L-3), but I think you're being stubborn by only picking targets like Femm and Hrez who not many other people suspect. Do you disagree that focused and coordinated efforts by the town to force everyone into this game will help the town win condition right now?
@ Tasky -
You obviously are in need of a major wake up call.
Nobody is going to answer your stupid question because you haven't given us any reason to think it's worth our time. You aren't bothering to pressure any targets, or engage in any other kind of sustained questioning or scumhunting, so where exactly is the incentive for scum to respond to your inquest? You pose exactly zero threat to scum, and zero relevance to town.
There is a certain amount of spamming true, but not an exorbitant amount. There's still plenty of info to go around right now. AND, precisely
because
there is some noise in this thread, you should be reading
extra-carefully
to glean all the alignment relevant info that there IS. Saying that you are just "basically skimming the posts" because you're finding it difficult to keep up is completely and utterly unacceptable.
And no one is going to make a pretty little summary for you either. Your essentially imposing on us the burden of spending more on this game to do everything for you simply because you can't be bothered to read yourself. This is a ridiculous request.
I'm also not interested in whether you'd "rather not replace out" or not. You are dragging down this town, and will be lynched today if you don't make a change of some king. This hurts your team's win condition regardless of alignment. So shape up or get lost.
