Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

[DarkLightA]

Hiya all!

Vote: kikuchiyo

Seems the most scummy so far... But I guess I can't base anything on 1.5 pages...

[DarkLightA]

Unvote, vote: DLA

Chainsaw defense by Farside? Are you guys 2/3 of the mafia?

No, because it seems like you had a non-random vote, and tried to "hide" it (so that you don't get the blame later) by adding an innocent

In other news: I absolutely love this cast! I know 8/12 I believe. Fun fun!

Please explain your vote.

[DarkLightA]

unvote

[DarkLightA]

I'm not putting words in his mouth, I just made the statement more accurate. Saying 1.5 pages worth implies that she posts a lot more. Stating her actual post count is better descriptive, and shows how little he has to accuse her on. The discussing previous games is also accurate, as that is all kik has talked about thus far, or do you see something else to argue over?

Think over it: I'm saying 1.5 pages of gameplay. Choose which one you
After she's posted 2 posts, I think she's the most scummy.
After 1.5 pages played, I think she's the most scummy.

@mod: Please consider changing the vote counts to this format or something similar:
3 - Person A - (Person B, C, D)
1 - Person B - (Person A, C, D)
Not voting - (Person E, F)

Makes it a lot easier to read

[DarkLightA]

DLA implied that I was scummy.

I just didn't understand the internal joke.

[DarkLightA]

I was just explaining something to saber. I now realize that I was (probably) wrong about accusing you.

[DarkLightA]

Unvote

Okay.

Vote: Yarmond

Thoughts?

Oh, well that was shorter than I thought.

Vote: Yarmond

Thoughts?

Agree.

vote Yarmond

I am also unimpressed by Net's lack of lawyering thus far.

Huh?

[DarkLightA]

I see

Vote: Yarmond

[DarkLightA]

In fact saber was chainsaw defending just as much as me.

kikuchiyo, is that you (or representative of you) in your avatar?

[DarkLightA]

@Farside: This is what I meant by that "makes no sense" quote:

Vote: Shotty to the Body

I didn't appreciate being killed. I found it rude and uncalled for.

In other news: I absolutely love this cast! I know 8/12 I believe. Fun fun!

It would seem like the last sentence could be used to dampen the serverity of the vote.

Unvote
Vote: Farside

Not OMGUS:

First you supported me, then suddenly about 2-3 people go against me, and you find a chance to change before everyone goes against you for the support you gave (posts a few posts back show suspicion coming onto you because of this). So you find a chance to vote me first, making it seem like you'd be the starter of it,without really being so. This seems REALLY scummy to me. Don't know about you guys.

[DarkLightA]

In fact saber was chainsaw defending just as much as me.

....

....

unvote;

vote DarkLightA

Are you claiming scum with saber here?

I meant to put it in quotation marks.

@all: I meant what I said in 74.

[DarkLightA]

The mod hasn't posted for 5 days...What's standard procedure for that?

Saying that it's 3.5 days instead of 5.

[DarkLightA]

Sure, I find it understandable that people are suspicious. I find farside suspicious. That's just life.

[DarkLightA]

DLA can you give any better reasoning for that vote in post 74? Because that was honestly God awful.

I think it'd seem like a good tactic..

[DarkLightA]

This (You were being pressured)

Unvote, vote: DLA

Chainsaw defense by Farside? Are you guys 2/3 of the mafia?

Explain how my comment is a chainsaw defense. Do you find it not scummy to put words that someone didn't say into their statement?
Mind you as I said just the post previously I understand better what saber was doing but I see scum put twist interpretation into peoples statement more often then not.

[DarkLightA]

I had to go to people all week and on Tuesday my parents took my computer I will post a vote count later today and I am prodding Yarmond and Toro now

Posted 27/11.

[DarkLightA]

Unvote
Vote: Saber

Way to BW.

[DarkLightA]

=)

[DarkLightA]

wow.. "Let me post all of ABR's posts and maybe someone will find something suspicious".. wow.

Unvote
Vote: Hewitt
FoS: Saber

[DarkLightA]

wow.. "Let me post all of ABR's posts and maybe someone will find something suspicious".. wow.

Complete opposite. Are you even paying attention? The whole point of posting all of ABR's posts wasn't so that someone could find something suspicious but to prove that ABR hasn't DONE anything.

Nice phrasing... Personally I laugh when I read it though, seeing as you disproved your statement by posting his ISO.

Not sweating at all. It really doesn't matter. If I die then the town is just going to be in deep shit. And since I'll be dead it really isn't my problem. And I didn't misrepresent you at all. You just made it a Player A or Player B lynch. And that's scummy as fuck.

You sure do seem to be sweating...

[DarkLightA]

DLA go back up 1. your case/vote, because you've yet to do so and 2. that ABR has actually been helpful and contributive. Your refusal to back up anything you say is shockingly sophomoric.

1. I think you've done enough to back up my case in the last few posts.

You try different methods to get free;
"Facts"

FYI- I voted you first, and made the case against you first. And what did you do in return? You OMGUSed both myself and saber, slung crap left and right, and are now making nonsensical posts.

The jokes

Well I'm glad you've switched from tantrum throwing mode to zwetschenwasser mode.

And your responses are pretty funny too =)



2.

shotty, do you like to bandwagon or are you more of a conservative player?

farside, thoughts on Dark Light?

Neto, can you link to DL's games and demonstrate the scumminess you allude to?

kikuchiyo, is that you (or representative of you) in your avatar?

Starting discussion.

Ok.

I will pretend I never read post 74 and allow you, DLA, the chance to make a sensible, logical post to replace it. Go now, I'm closing my eyes.

Response to my post.

So Neto, do you have any reliable intel on what DLA's play as scum is?

Then it would be wise to assume that he makes these illogical leaps as scum as well.

Farside, have you deciphered post 74? Any comment?

I would have gone on but my fingers are frozen right now. How about you find the ones that arenæt helpful instead?

Regards,
"DLA"

[DarkLightA]

Oh, and I forgot the "Let's post ABR's entire ISO and hope that someone might find something suspicious about it!"

[DarkLightA]

If I'm right about ABR being scum then this is most definitely a prime example of chainsaw defense and I'm at least 2/3, for sure, correct in my scum list.

Go back and check the definition of chainsaw defense.

Regards,
"DLA"

[DarkLightA]

Jesus I feel like I'm playing with freshmen here.

Same here. Basically it's attacking a player who attacks your team mate. I happen to be against you, and so is ABR. I don't see the chainsaw in this.

Go back and check the definition of chainsaw defense.

Does this sound like I don't know what I'm talking about?


Mod, can you devote more time to the game please? I feel that it's dying because of the lack of vote counts.

[DarkLightA]

According to what I see it's silly to say that you're attacking ABR.. I dunno.. Might just be the culture difference XD

[DarkLightA]

Can I hear from the other players that exist in this game? Neto, Ell, Yarmond, Kik, Konowa, we could use your thoughts.

Note to self taken.

[DarkLightA]

Okay, after a short re-read I find that we now have two more people slightly here, and that one of them came into my little special FoS spot. Welcome. I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay.

UnFoS: Saber
FoS (especially if Hewitt flips scum): Shotty, due to 263, which I interpret as you asking for other people to give their opinion without being willing to say anything yourself. If Hewitt flips scum, I'll find this very suspicious, as it would make sense that you wouldn't want to comment on your scumbuddy.

Regards,
"DLA"

[DarkLightA]

I don't like the the Yarmond Wagon
184: He would probably be replaced way before lylo.
190: Why vote Albert? I've Contributed much less.
199-216: I agree with Albert.
218: He never said that. You're misrepping.
220: I can find one...
227: What was his defense?
239: Hewitt
253: WHat does "You both are scumtells and nulltells" mean.

hewitt: Which of your posts do you think are contributive?

Vote: Hewitt

Use quotes. Which would you prefer:

1. "239: Hewitt"
2.

Ellibereth, Netopalis, kikuchiyo, farside22, I'm asking you to be the judges. If you had to lynch one of me or hewitt right this instant, who would it be?

Hewitt.

You see?

---- OT:

unvote
vote: Ellibereth

I don't like the the Yarmond Wagon

Defending a player who isn't here?? SERIOUSLY????

SCUM:
1. Ellibereth
2. Yarmond
3. ???

I'm starting to retreat on Hewitt.. I think ABR went too far with this.

[DarkLightA]

DLA...Ugh. What a mass of incomprehensibility. Please, in a few sentences, restate what you were trying to say in English and not in Swahili, Greek, Japanese,

Latin

, Martian or whatever that last post was in.

That's it =)

Anyway, I'm starting to think that hewitt might be town, and that ABR's pressure is the only thing making him making him seem scummy.

Right now, Ellibereth is DEFENDING a person who is NOT HERE!!!

[DarkLightA]

He had a misrep in 218.

Use quotes. That number took a minute out off my life.

@Hewitt: You're still a suspect. Stop acting like you're the king of this game. That's the mod.

Not posting a lot of content isn't scummy, it's just lazy.

Then vote Yarmond.

-Players who generate new content:

Myself
Hewitt
Shotty
Netopalis
Farside22
Kikuchiyo

-Players who feed on existing content or don't post at all:

DLA

I believe that the last time I added new ideas was about 17 posts ago.. Start using your short term memory.

[DarkLightA]

-Players who generate new content:

Myself
Hewitt
Shotty
Netopalis
Farside22
Kikuchiyo

-Players who feed on existing content or don't post at all:

DLA

I believe that the last time I added new ideas was about 17 posts ago.. Start using your short term memory.

Please respond ABR.

Sorry about the misread btw.

[DarkLightA]

Lets see if I lynch DLA I may get a read if he comes up scum to those who did not vote on him. If I lynch CSL or elibereth and either come up scum I look to those who ignored them.
IE: scum predictable

There happens to be something called 'bussing' as well, you know..

Unvote

FoS: Everyone

I'm REALLY confused right now..

[DarkLightA]

Well DLA but I wouldnt' say he is a non contributor.

Yeah, I happen to consider myself more of a.. I dunno.. "Spread thoughts out and confuse everyone" guy?

[DarkLightA]

Well DLA but I wouldnt' say he is a non contributor.

Yeah, I happen to consider myself more of a.. I dunno.. "Spread thoughts out and confuse everyone" guy?

Haha right on.

Okay, I'll coach you a bit.

First, you skim over the entire thread to get a good understanding of where the game is at.

(CHECK)

I have a homework assignment for you: post all the major events in this game so far. Use hyperlinking for quick reference if you can.

(ARRGH; GOT ENOUGH HOMEWORK STUDYING THE SPANISH PAST TENSE... Ella leyó! BUT I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED, JUST MENTIONING 74 AND THE ARGUMENTS AFTERWARDS)

Then, try to get a read on as many players as possible. Try to determine what their win condition is. And then post your findings.

(HMM)

In no specific, but somehow alphabetical order:

ABR: Very aggressive. Focusses on single people. I'm leaning towards town.

CSL: Very short, random statements, fluctuating votes. Seems to vote just to follow others. I'm leaning towards scum.

DLA: Town

Elli: Reading Elli's ISO surprises me. He hasn't helped one bit. Leaning towards scum.

Farside: Seems to weigh out all possibilities, and not jump on people. Farside is a skilled player, so this might be a trick to up your post count without getting into too much of a mess by accusing people directly.

Hewitt: Keeps on responding to threats, no matter how weird his responses turn out. Like this one:

It's funny that all the people I accused of not contributing are now voting me. Funny how that works.

Forgot that that doesn't apply? Seems quite scummy, but on the other hand this is really confusing me..

Kiku: No contribution really. When I saw this on the list of players I was like "Who's this?" until I saw the avatar.. Nothing much to say. More scum than town.

Konowa: See CSL

Lab Mafia: I'm leaning towards mod.

Saber: It occurs to me that all he's talking about is voting, voting and explaining his votes. Scummy.

Shotty: Seems to be just swooping along, trying to not appear protruding. Seems scummy.

MAFIA IN A PARTICULAR ORDER:
Hewitt
Elli
Saber
Shotty

[DarkLightA]

Unvote

He doesn't want more mess Albert

Shotty, you're moving up my ladder. I'm realizing that you're seperate from hewitt..

Vote: Shotty

Lack of willingness to put yourself in bad positions.
Asking for other's opinions without giving your own.
Wanting to quick lynch. <-- Agreeing to

I could go for a DLA lynch today or tomorrow, if we lynched hewitt today and he flipped town I would be 100% behind a DLA lynch day two.

How would me flipping town point out to DLA being the correct lynch the next day?

[DarkLightA]

I don't think ABR is that Mafiate at all and if anything is more of a SensFan

I pointed specifically to ABR because he was one of the more vocal players in the game

Reading all the players in ISO I think it's pretty clear that ABR has been and most likely will be the most useless player in this game.

Use names please.

[DarkLightA]

With that post, hewitt is either protown, or extremely skilled town.

THAT MADE MY DAY! I'm still laughing!

That post, as far as I know, is protown.

Way to not take things into consideration.

I'm now going for a DLA BW. Since hewitt now appears protown, as per this:

I could go for a DLA lynch today or tomorrow, if we lynched hewitt today and he flipped town I would be 100% behind a DLA lynch day two.

I am inclined to

Vote: DLA

Wait, wait, wait, wait, waaaait! So you're saying "Hewitt seems a bit protown, so since this guy made a post about him wanting to lynch DLA, I'll vote him". Excellent plan.

HOWEVER, this doesn't mean I'm done with you, hewitt.

Also, if anyone sees a flaw with his statement, I will switch my vote back to him...

Way to back up the vote..


Hey, this is better play, eh?

[DarkLightA]

I'm now going for a DLA BW.

Wow. Just. Wow.

Unvote
Vote: CSL

[DarkLightA]

DLA, why have you not included Netopalis in your read

?

Sorry, I overlooked it.

Neto: Much information and contribution to the thread. Not really much bad about this player. Leaning towards town.

[DarkLightA]

Unofficial Vote Count based on Albert's unofficial vote count in post 369

CSL (4) - farside22, DLA, saber, Albert
Hewitt (2) - Ellibereth, CSL
Ellibereth (1) - hewitt
DLA (1) - Shotty

Not voting - Everyone else.

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Mod, if you're here, please go back in time and check this when you come back. I cannot guarantee that this information is accurate. Also, it's not right that players have to make vote counts.

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Definitely lynching DLA, his votes are pure OMGUS, every time someone says they suspect him he goes after them and not before.

If you say that I'm OMGUS voting, then please go back and READ csl's vote posts.
Oh, and please tell me how your vote wasn't OMGUS.

@Saber: Use your brain, not Shotty's brain.

Note to self: Relationship Shotty <-> Saber

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And for the record, playing with DLA, CSL, and saberwolf all together really fucking sucks. Honest to good the most sporadic, nonsensical players ever.

I'll laugh at the hypocriticalness in this post if you're town.

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I'd actually be more happy with a saber lynch than a CSL lynch today, but I'm afraid that CSL upped my suspicions by the save-yourself vote.

[DarkLightA]

Sorry, I forgot saber's amazing unbelievable like wtf vote:

Unofficial Vote Count based on Albert's unofficial vote count in post 369
CSL (3) - farside22, DLA, Albert
Hewitt (2) - Ellibereth, CSL
DLA (2) - Shotty, saber
Ellibereth (1) - hewitt

Not voting - Everyone else.


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Saber... please... explain...

[DarkLightA]

lol

I already explained in my last post why I am voting for you.

Also, you can't link me to shotty just solely by my vote. That's the third time I've followed someone onto a wagon.

In that case, maybe It'd make the most sense to lynch DLA?

How is this explanation???

[DarkLightA]

In that case, maybe It'd make the most sense to lynch DLA?

If DLA flips scum, I'd focus on ABR. If DLA flips town, I'd look at CSL and hewitt, but mostly hewitt.

unvote; vote: DLA

In other words:

"Because of Shotty's post I think I'll follow him just to not stick out.

I think I'll post a method so it looks like I know what I'm doing."

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[DarkLightA]

Saber didn't post his own case, but you don't need an original thought to join a wagon last time I checked, if you did nothing would get done.

Wait, you're defending Saber now?

[DarkLightA]

4. I have a rock-solid case against DLA built over multiple posts and tells that form something logical unlike the one-hit wonder that you're using to lynch CSL. I hardly consider that one vote reason enough to lynch someone when you have the case I presented against DLA sitting right next to it.

Oh really? It only seems rock solid to your scum buddy..

[DarkLightA]

when DLA flips scum lynching you next.

Ahh... So this is what I get:

1. I am town. If it is needed you may lynch me for this to be proven.
2. Shotty says "When DLA flips scum" in such a deliberate tone that this really sounds to me like he is flipping around what would be known to scum, and acting all "How could I know?" about it later...
3. He speaks for the entire thread, even though people (other than Saber of course) don't neccessarily agree.

I feel oblinged to:

Unvote
Vote: Shotty

This is some sweet modding. Will we have to close it ourselves at deadline or do we just continue?

[DarkLightA]

Unofficial Vote Count based on Albert's unofficial vote count in post 369

CSL (3) - farside22, Albert

Hewitt (2) - Ellibereth, CSL
DLA (2) - Shotty, saber
Ellibereth (1) - hewitt
Shotty (1) - DLA

as of now there will be a no lynch at deadline.

[DarkLightA]

CSL (2) - farside22, Albert
Hewitt (2) - Ellibereth, CSL
DLA (2) - Shotty, saber
Ellibereth (1) - hewitt
Shotty (1) - DLA

Excuse me.

[DarkLightA]

1. Whoo good point to me being scummy.

Yes.

2. Lol you can read the future now? AMAZING! What will I post on D3 when you and farside are hanging?

If you manage to lynch farside after convincing the town to make a fail-lynch of me (town), I think you'll be next, unless farside has an opposite alignment.

3. Really how so? It's my opinion, how did I speak for the whole thread? How is this scummy? I don't control their votes magically by posting my thoughts. How do you know they don't agree, do you read minds now too?

No, you don't control magically. Your scum buddies will support you even without magic thank you very much.

You're saying that after my lynch it's farside's turn, as if it's logical that it will happen. Obviously support from your team would help.

[DarkLightA]

As I'm reading, something occurs to me.

Saber - could you please tell us your full position on CSL and whether you think his actions make the player slot likely to be scum?

Cheers.

you're looking at the wrong guy to ask anything. I don't have a case on anybody. All I have are info lynch scenarios. That and the fact the my gut doesnt trust ABR. If you look I have been very happy just to throw my vote around. I don't plan on doing any work. This is delliberate. I'm more curious to see who wins me over in a ABR/DLA/Hewitt showdown. When the dust has settled, I'll be able to draw some conclusions. Until then, I have seen everyone accused with a case up to this point, so I'm just gonna continue my game of musical votes until it gets me somewhere...I believe ABR is next.

vote: ABR

Something has to be wrong with me lol...I read your post and i was like fuck you im too lazy to do any work for your ass, but i typed this out which probably took more effort to do >.>

I'm starting to think that shotty isn't scum after all, and that saber is more likely to. After all he BW's all over the place! If I remember correctly, he wasn't like that in previous games.

Unvote
Vote: Saber

[DarkLightA]

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

Uhh.. Is this some kind of "Next Please!" post?

[DarkLightA]

Post 209:

Unvote

I really am not looking to bandwagon ABR. My vote was just to accentuate a point. Since he seems to have completely ignored it, I guess it didn't work. I am getting suspicious of Saber, though, for his eagerness to hop onto that idea without putting in much thought.

Post 210:

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

ROFL.

[DarkLightA]

Because it's a faulty case that only scum would drive

you're claiming scum?

Do not vote for Neto

But Neto's voting for you?! If saber flips scum..

saberwolf

(1)

: Ojanen, DarkLightA, Netopalis

You tricked me =)

[DarkLightA]

I'm saying that you point out Neto from the crowd would put him in a bad position if you flipped scum.

[DarkLightA]

Because it's a faulty case that only scum would drive

you're claiming scum?

*facepalm*

=)

[DarkLightA]

SC's big post has inspired me to

unvote; vote: shotty

Yet another BW post. You do realize that not everyone is town, right?

I just ISOed ABR, and not anywhere did I see him say that anybody in the game as being town, and has accused just about everybody of being scum, so he's really no better than the rest of us.

I also noticed a fascinating post that said you would not mislynch me and a few others, good to know

You stopped after ISO #1? Cmon, do the rest too.

It makes me cry in

bed

at night.

Corrected. You shower in the morning.

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HERE'S ANOTHER SABER DEAL:

Unvote, Vote: Albert B. Rampage

I refuse to vote jump this time.

haha, surprised myself.

Later

Yay for laziness!

boo for sarcasm

You just earned yourself a vote:

unvote; vote: ABR

Now I need neto to comment on this so I can switch my vote again.

Wow.

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So Scum are: Neto, Shotty, DLA, Serial. One too many...

I've heard Ellibereth too, and ABR, and hewitt*, and saber... Stop agreeing to everything.

*why isn't he on your list?


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woah, hewitt's in this game too? :shocked:

Honestly? Seriously? Really? Are you and Elibereth in some sort of a "Who cares the least?" competition?

XD!!

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@Shotty: Funny how you managed to make it seem like I was scum with ABR. However I'm pretty sure I could do that with you and hewitt too if I wanted to..

[DarkLightA]

Another inspirational post!

unvote; vote: DLA

Lesson learned: Any player who posts a suspicion will be able to double vote that player, saber taken into consideration.

I have a feeling that saber is doing this on purpose now.

[DarkLightA]

SC, can you include names in your quotes? Makes it much easier to read.

[DarkLightA]

Mod Poll!
Considering the game began on the 19th of november, you guys have been given 5 weeks til the deadline.

Question: Do you want a closer deadline?

no.


I get this funny feeling with SC & Elli:

Ellibereth is scum. That is an epic case of hold on for the ride bandwagoning. His entire play has been 'I agree'. He used to think Hewitt was scummy when ABR did, now he doesn't. Then he uses a post hewitt made about Neto to attack Neto? No answer for where the suspicion of hewitt went - just disappeared :/

The only one he used "is scum" on. Not "is probably scum". Was this a way to separate the two of them? Later he clears up the differences with

Yeah, look, Elli just rained on my parade pretty damn hard to be honest... Are the mafia daytalkers in this game? I wouldn't put it past you to have organised that just to put me in my place...

Seems quite scummy to me.

[DarkLightA]

EBWOP:

Unvote
VOTE: SC

[DarkLightA]

You sound like a broken record, Net.

Bad pun

@Elli: Wtf happened to you?
@saber: Why are you going on about things that aren't related to the game? Once in a while is enough. Neto already claimed that place.

[DarkLightA]

DLA: your whole case is pretty BS.

So are yours...

Oh sorry, I forgot you haven't made any!

[DarkLightA]

quoting saber in the theme list:

/in for malthusis ' game
/in for ortolan's game
/in for budja's game

Apparently he's not taking this site seriously.

[DarkLightA]

Besides, how is that any different from my usual anti-town playstyle?

Do NOT use that as an argument.

[DarkLightA]

Arguing is scummy when it's off topic.

You just called yourself scummy. You're the only one off topic.

Do NOT use the "My town-meta suggests that I play scummishly, so now when I play scummishly I can't be scum" excuse.

[DarkLightA]

Arguing is scummy when it's off topic.

You just called yourself scummy. You're the only one off topic.

Do NOT use the "My town-meta suggests that I play scummishly, so now when I play scummishly I can't be scum" excuse.

Ah, but I'm not. You are attempting to engage me in off topic debate. Also, I'm not claiming town meta, I'm claiming my anti-town meta. Everyone who plays me should know I have my "attempt to play and actually try" playstyle, and my "I like the game but I really rather not put too much effort into it, and if forced to I'll take the path of least resistance" playstyle. Can you guess which one this is?

unvote; vote: DLA

The winds have shifted momentarily...

You seem to forget that your votes don't mean anything any more. Again you're following a BW.

Nice try to disguise the vote behind reasoning. Too bad it was awful reasoning. Please supply quotes to where I got you off topic.

[DarkLightA]

You are attempting to engage me in off topic debate.

Supply quote, or unvote.
Nice little rhyme =)

[DarkLightA]

You are attempting to engage me in off topic debate.

Supply quote, or unvote.
Nice little rhyme =)

Stop avoiding it. Show that your only case so far is genuine.

[DarkLightA]

Well, we are not going anywhere, and truthfully, I am growing away from Mafia as we speak.

Unvote:

Vote: CSL

Yes, you guys are right. One down...one to go. Can you find the last scum? We'll find out soon enough.

Go Scum!

Eh, I'd replace out, but it wouldn't do anyone any good, now will it?

The only way I'd get out of this game is if I Unvote and quite possibly Vote: CSL

I had fun, but there are some kinks I need to work on, and it won't do in this game

You're saying "CSL as scum"?

Finally, I feel kinda bad about lynching replacements immediately after they replace in. It seems to me that if we were going to lynch CSL regardless of what his replacement was going to say, we should have saved SC the trouble of replacing in and having to reread all of this, and saved the mod the trouble of finding yet another replacement in a game that already needed a ton of them. Therefore, I think that lynching SC today would also be ethically wrong, unless we find him scummy independent of CSL's acts.

Is there some link here?

[DarkLightA]

Given CSL's record (In 84% of his games, he's been either lynched D1 or has replaced out), is it really appropriate to transfer his acts over to SC as you automatically did?

Netopalis seems to be defending CS an awful lot.

I think that either they're both mason or scum. Currently I'm on the latter.

[DarkLightA]

I'm not going to trust to follow because I don't trust their judgment or alignment are yourself, Ellibereth, kiku, DLA, and saber.

Hewitt + CS + Neto pair?

[DarkLightA]

Excuse me. That quote ^^ was from Hewitt.

[DarkLightA]

Sure. I've actually changed to feel more of an if-Neto-is-scum-then-CS-is-scum than if-CS-is-scum-then-Neto-is-scum if you understand..

Unvote
Vote: Neto

L-2

[DarkLightA]

SC, are you ready for the bussing hammer?

[DarkLightA]

Wow SC; you really don't want a Neto lynch, do you?

[DarkLightA]

DIE SCUM DIE!

[DarkLightA]

Can I give -$5?

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So suddenly you just turned around and hammered when you realized all else failed? Interesting.

[DarkLightA]

That you were protecting him up until the last second.

[DarkLightA]

Looks like I missed all the fun while I was lurking.

If Neto flips scum then SC is scum?

If Neto flips town then ABR is scum?

Yes, no, from everyone please.

1. Probably
2. No, I don't think Albert would do something that obvious.

[DarkLightA]

@kik's ISO.. Ugh..

FoS: kikuchiyo

[DarkLightA]

This is NOT a Hammer!

Oh... Anyone in for voting?

[DarkLightA]

Okay, great. So now we've evaluated CS and agree with you, and therefore we decide that it's a better bet to lynch you. Happy?

[DarkLightA]

Ahh, welcome kiku... Nice entrance..

[DarkLightA]

I hammered scum. What's the problem?

^^ that

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I highly doubt both scum were bussing.

Why?

Vote: Kikuchiyo

[DarkLightA]

Sorry, I realize that I was illogical when I voted kik.. I would have hammered too..

unvote
vote: CS

Scummy play during the lynch plus the play during his conflict with the mason.

[DarkLightA]

We've also got Shotty to the Body who is probably my top pick for scum. HE exhibits the same 'going for easy targets' mentality with the same 'unoriginal thinking' mentality. He starts off voting ofr Konowa (+++) but then relatively quickly both unvotes AND says that he's prepared to lynch either lynchbait candidate immediately without saying it's a policy vote.

I can't decide if I want to vote Saber, DLA, or keep it where it is, choices choices... Ah what the hell unvote, vote DLA

How is starting on Konowa a +++ given that that was my random vote? Also please prove my 'unoriginal thinking' given I brought the case on DLA later in the day by myself, have taken an original position on CSL, actually tried to make some connections between players.

The easy lynch candidates on page 5? Fantastic bringing the beginning up now, you're right I wanted to

vote

(nice misrep using lynch instead of vote when you talk about it BTW) the people who had behaved scumilly so far, no shit. The fact you try to prove that I've only been following the "easy lynches" using quotes from page 5 is pretty sad.

Then, what's the logical next step for the scumbucket? Joining the ABR-pushed wagon. Tick!

How is that a misrep? You accuse me and ABR of not contributing (which, at least in my case, is a flat-out lie) and use that as a scum-tell. That would imply that YOU contribute unless you're admitting to being scum? He never said you were a top contributer just that you don't contribute either, so now you're misrepping him.

unvote, vote hewitt

Right, nice of you to skip the step where I get discussion going again and ignore ABR's Elli wagon which is an EASY, I STRESS EASY, wagon. If I'm such an easy wagon hunter why don't I vote for Elli? Obviously I just follow ABR around on everything because I agreed with him about Hewitt who I voted for my own reasons according to this guy.

I could go for a DLA lynch today or tomorrow, if we lynched hewitt today and he flipped town I would be 100% behind a DLA lynch day two.

Lining up lynches. One of my faaaavourite scumtells, and one of the few conventional scumtells that actually does catch scum. This is essentially all I need for my vote. But then, this next post came along!

Absolutely must be your favorite, good to see you devoid of the original thinking you criticize everyone else for not having by mimicking farside's points.

I encourage everyone to unvote vote DLA. ABR is an obvious scum-buddy to DLA considering how much DLA was vacuumed to ABR's opinions and as newb-scum didn't know any better to hide all the blatant buddying big enough to choke a horse.

Sorry, what? Shotty was right up in hewitt's business with his boy ABR and now ABR and DLA are scumbuddies? This is rubbish. When called on lining up lynches, he says (with historical innacuracy):

Who pushed Hewitt's lynch the hardest? ABR and DLA? Last time I checked pushing mislynches was bad? Hewitt said the same thing in 278. Why aren't you busting his balls?

Please point out how it is rubbish champ, nice of you to throw out conjecture, I find it amusing how badly you want to disprove the link between DLA and ABR. Let's see the posts that relate them shall we.

ABR specifically ignores DLA's terrible OMGUS against farside, he goes on that page to ask other's about DLA without commenting on it himself and finally excuses post 74 in 99 contingent on a reasonable explanation that never comes and ABR never presses him for, intent to hunt the easy target Ell instead.

DLA defends ABR against Hewitt.

DLA feels the need to apologize to ABR

ABR literally

telling

him how to scum-hunt. Funny how his lack of scum-hunting isn't scummy but should be corrected and then ignored even though it gets no better.

DLA votes saber for BWing which saber has been doing all game, funny how he only mentions it when it was a vote on him or ABR, how odd. He even started this pattern all the way back in post 193 when Saber voted for ABR.

I also like how you continually try to tie my case on Hewitt to ABR when we voted for entirely separate things and I developed my own case as I talked to Hewitt which ABR later added onto his reasons Hewitt was scummy.

I mention wanting to lynch to DLA before ABR even moves his vote from the Hewitt wagon, so I don't see how that suddenly made me want to attack DLA. It has far more to do with DLA after his awesome scum-hunting (AKA OMGUS posts) in between my mentioning that and my next post.

If you at all doubt DLA's scuminess or that I was pushing an easy wagon without original thought here you all fucking go. I did all this on my own and mentioned this as my preferred lynch repeatedly, even when no one else was thinking about it, guess I only hunt the easy targets lolol /sarcasm.

OMGUS vote for Farside that "isn't OMGUS" guys, for sure

FoS for a bullshit reason given that I'd been posting against Hewitt and voting him for a page or two uninterrupted and the players I mentioned hadn't posted for pages.

Calls SEVEN people scum in a game with 3, waffles on Hewitt, wants to call farside town but fails to pick a position on her due to some nonsense about her being skilled and getting up her post count (WTF?), only 'town' player listed is ABR SHOCKING!

Votes here only after I mention wanting to lynch him, never replies to my points against his case, which is weak as hell. I countered every point but of course he declines to address any of them.

Votes CSL because CSL voted him, OMGUS vote from DLA? SHOCKING AGAIN! GOOD THING THIS AIN'T AN ELECTRIC CHAIR!

Another vote where I try to confront his ridiculous reasoning with logic and he once again declines, it was hard to even try considering how one of his points was him being town, another that he saw my future play, and the third being that I somehow spoke for everyone

There is more but this is already a gigantic wall, which I apologise for but it's my replacing in post. Essentially, he then defends CSL to show he's not going after easy targets and to try to heap crap onto farside when the reality is at about post 160 he said he was prepared to lynch TWO SEPARATE EASY TARGETS in saber and DLA.

Of course there's always more unmentioned, the good wrap-up to any legitimate case.

Right at 160 huh. My only post on that page was about Kikuchiyo's fucking avatar, amazing how you provide outright misinformation in your post.

The post he's trying to reference was my fourth post of the game, barely out of RVS where I said I was willing to vote Saber or DLA for what they'd done in the first few pages. Of course I'm "hunting easy lynches" there, along with the rest of the scum on DLA's aforementioned awesome list I suppose, which is like everyone at this point. I think 'everyone' at this point includes at least 5 other players including Farside, ABR, Kikuchiyo, Konowa, Neto all were talking about running up either Saber or DLA at this point.

BTW all of my content against DLA and the connections to ABR are original and thoughtful. If you can't find a reason to lynch DLA and REASONABLY SUSPECT ABR if DLA is scum based on all this information you're probably lying. Since you all QQ about lining up lynches let's take this one fucking day at a time and lynch DLA now kthx?

I don't know if I'm voting him already, but

unvote vote DLA

.[/quote]


Would Shotty do that if I were his scum bud?

^^ This post contains no other suspects. Anytime you would like to share your thoughts in that direction(you've been asked twice) is welcome.

You didn't "engage" Kitty imo, and you never came back to voice dissapproval of the hammer when it occurred. If you are off base, reread the end of the day before slinging bullshit accusations.

Shotty: What do you think of DLA? What do you think of SC?

SC: What do you think of DLA?

Farside: Should we lynch Shotty before DLA/Serial?

Saber: Thoughts?

Ahh... Kik... These posts aggrivate me. No joining the discussion, just spreading.

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I think CS is a better lynch. Shotty is playing aggressively, and a bit too hard (I think) to be scum. Kik however is staying leaned back.

SCUM

CS
Kik
Shotty
(...)
DLA =)

TOWN

[DarkLightA]

Sorry about the quote failing above.

Just in case:

unvote: CS
vote: CS

[DarkLightA]

SC =! CS...

Meh... A mixture between CSL and SC, you know?

[DarkLightA]

NOV 26, 3 pm:

The relationship among Kikuchiyo/Shotty/Saber/Konowa seems to be very interesting. If any of them are scum, we'll need to reexamine these posts very closely.

Translating to todays people, that's Kikuchiyo/Shotty/Scigatt/Ojanen.

I think this might be significant.

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7th DEC, 6am

First, Hewitt. Hewitt's overly aggressive defense is more than a bit troublesome, as are his bitter tirades towards the latter half of the game as it stands. I would not have suspected him had we not gotten into all of this with him.

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7th DEC

Unvote, Vote: Ellibereth

Last few posts show a disconnect with the game, a borderline criminal lack of knowledge and a lack of original thought.

First off-RVS vote for him

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9th DEC

KittyMo is replacing in! Always an improvement!
CSL is self voting! That may be the best vote he's ever cast!

Re-reading this makes me think that that last line isn't a bus.

Replied to by mod:

Players are to play to their wincon, it is completely anti-game to "give up" and self-vote like CSL is doing. as such, I shall replace the fellow ASAP

Woot! Even more awesome!

...Can...can I hug you, Dramonic? Just...just a little one? Please? This may just be the high point of my last 25 minutes - nay - even my last 2 hours!

Okay, forget that "Not a bus" business. I'm thinking this is more of a "Yay, new scum partner thing"

AFTER REPLACING:

Aw, shit SC. You replaced the wrong dude!

Yo, if you haven't given him his role PM yet, give him Konowa's! Jesus..lol keeping my vote on CSL/SC.

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9th DEC

Unvote, vote: ABR

He's not the best play today (That's DLA), but I want to use this vote to send a message that, well, I'd really like an answer to that question and to preserve my earlier reasoning about his possible scummishness.

I feel loved =)

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9th DEC

Please. I've been in a game in which CSL DID, in an umprompted manner, claim scum. In this game, he did not all but claim scum. He showed his normal characteristic lack of understanding of gameplay, his normal weak arguments and his normal incomprehensibility. That may have still been a valid reason for his lynch, but since we now have SC, it is no longer an avenue to pursue.

Defending SC much????

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I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Who haven't I voted for yet?

unvote; vote: Farside22

Your turn. I shall look at your posts and see if this is valid or not, most likely not. I should try to at least reinforce why you come off as town to me.

What the heck? I vote ABR to make a point, you hop on and vote him as well. I unvote him because I didn't want too many votes on him, then all of a sudden you feel a loss of conviction and unvote as well?

Vote: Saberwolf

First attack on Saber, and he points out what's been pointed out so much before, before voting. BUSSING??

FoS: Saber

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unvote; vote: SC

I must say I liked this one best from the beginning, and here my vote will stay for the rest of the day.

What are you doing? Can you not read our posts? Are you fully and completely oblivious to the arguments against you? Good grief, man, your actions today are approaching as-of-yet unseen levels of absurdity!

WHY ARE YOU SWITCHING YOUR VOTE SO OFTEN AND WITHOUT EXPLANATION, SABERWOLF?

Saber switches to CS, and Neto goes crazy...

UnFoS: Saber

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Uh, yeah. Let's just lynch Saberwolf. It's clear to me, at least, that he's going to be a huge liability in this game.

Okay, okay.

Double UnFoS: Saber

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Given CSL's record (In 84% of his games, he's been either lynched D1 or has replaced out), is it really appropriate to transfer his acts over to SC as you automatically did?

Again the scum is defending SC.

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Oh, and some further points on CSL...I compiled his history at this site just to make sure that I wasn't wholly off point.

N830 - Lynched D1
N852 - Survived and won
Normal 102 - Replaced
N834 - Replaced
N839 - Lynched D2
Stars Aligned - Lynched D4 (Same day as he replaced in)
O185 - Lynched D1
O162 - Lynched D1, claimed scum
O165 - Replaced (Due to banning due to the breakage of the night-talking rule)
O167 - Replaced
M847 - Replaced
N806 - Lynched D3 (same day as he replaced in)
M105 - Lynched D1
N824 - Lynched D1
N825 - Lynched D3
O177 - Replaced
M102 - Replaced
O185 - Lynched D1


(N=Newbie, Normal = Normal, M = Mini)

Lynched D1 or same day that he replaced into - 8 times (44%)
Replaced - 7 times (38%)
Lynched later or won - 3 (16%)

Total games: 18


He's been scum in 2 of those games. Thus, if you're lynching CSL on D1, the chances are that, more likely than not, it is a mislynch.

Again, defending SC.

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Let me elaborate a bit more:

The argument is that SC is scummy because CSL was scummy.

My statistic shows that CSL will be found scummy whether or not he is scum-aligned.

Therefore, CSL's scumminess is not a good predictor of scumminess.

Therefore, SC should be evaluated without CSL's posts taken into account.

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So, what do you guys think. I think that SC is obv-scum..

[DarkLightA]

Beside being pointless post-lynch (as you thought) chaining, let's flip the last one to "if Neto flips scum the ABR is town". Ta-daa, we have the nightkill, and we have the person you seem to be attacking on a somehow more decisive way than your earlier actions are.

This is just ridiculous. You know just as well as me that ABR was pretty much obv-town, especially after the lynch, and it would be stupid for scum not to lynch him, regardless of kik's post. She was just stating the obvious.

[DarkLightA]

Post post how you saw Neto was attacking DLA?

He never did attack me, really. I checked the meta.

@SC, I'm laughing hard right now.. That's BS.

Neto, at this point in the game, decided that it was time to defend me. He did this despite initially calling for a policy lynch on CSL.

Why would a scum "decide that it was time to" defend a TOWNIE, and therefore put himself in risk of getting lynched?

Super-Duper-Omega3-HoS: Serial

[DarkLightA]

He ATTACKED saber.
He DEFENDED you.

They're opposites.

He was staring into the eyes of his lynch but ignored it to protect a townie? Doubtful.

[DarkLightA]

I would try to avoid it, but as long as it'd help town I wouldn't care... And your point is?

[DarkLightA]

Definitely not stop a townie BW...

[DarkLightA]

No, I think I'd better explain the circumstances to you:

1. CSL gets in trouble. Neto joins the attack.
2. CSL gets replaced. Neto goes "Yay" and pulls away the attack.
3. SC is still in trouble. Neto goes "Don't lynch him!!"
4. SC is still in trouble. Neto goes "Is it fair to judge his character by the replacee? (LOL)
5. Neto gets in trouble for defending the band wagoned guy. NETO STOPS DEFENDING SC.
6. SC DEFENDS NETO.
7. Neto get's lynch as scum.

Comments, questions, concerns?

[DarkLightA]

So you're saying that the fact that he didn't fully stop the buddying clears you? uh uh.

[DarkLightA]

Hmm.. The problem is that we're arguing with about 1/2 of the game as lurkers. Maybe we're all town..

[DarkLightA]

12 hours have passed, Neto realizes that I'm not going to provide him with the excuse to hammer any time soon, so he goes back to voting Ellibereth. Now keep in mind that Neto was almost going to hammer hewitt, yet in this post, he claims to not have seen my case on hewitt nor having a good understanding of why hewitt was suspected, requiring him to read hewitt in iso. IOW, Neto was going to hammer hewitt with no idea whatsoever why hewitt was scummy. This is also where Neto starts to get hostile with me for not having given him an easy excuse to hammer and end the day. Then Nets goes and equates CSL to DLA, then says CSL is better than DLA. He then got even more pissed off at me for not replying to a question he should have already known the answer to. This culminates in a vote. Goes on to say that I attacked hewitt for no real reason, which is just absurd, and shows just how little he is involved in the game. He has a strong emotional reaction to my post condemning SC for replacing CSL, and this is where he starts his campaign to wipe CSL's slate clean. Anyway, he claims that his "serious accusation" vote was just a vote to accentuate a point (he still wants to know why I suspected hewitt). He basically lied about his vote. He goes on and on, back to saber, then again to me, defends clergyman some more, derails the thread, denies having ever tried to policy lynch saber or DLA, puts the blame on me, lies again about his first vote on me as he can't seem to decide whether he voted me seriously or to make me answer why I think hewitt is scummy which I stated over 20 pages ago.

ABR's last big post. I think this is significant.

Unvote
Vote: Hewitt

[DarkLightA]

read for yourself.

[DarkLightA]

My view on people:

TOWN

Scigatt* **
Ellibereth

Farside
Ojanen

AVERAGE

Hewitt*
Kise* **
SerialClergyman (partly *)

Shotty to the Body
Kikuchiyo

SCUM

* Based on replacee's actions.
** Too little content (lately) to judge accurately.

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I'm deciding to recide with SC, he seems to have a genuine reason, so I'm left with two. Shotty and Kiku.

Vote: Kikuchiyo

Please read page two leading up to page 32. Claiming that there's a chainsaw on page 2? Odd.

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Can Shotty and Kikuchiyo give their top suspects and top townies please?

[DarkLightA]

K Serial, Shotty and Kiku are scum.

Well with 1 scum down, aren't there only 2 left..?

I was talking to Serial

"Okay Serial : Shotty and Kiku are scum" was what I meant.

Hahaha! You tricked me too

[DarkLightA]

Outcomes:

Kik = town
1. Lynch Shotty --> NK kik as town.
2. Lynch Shotty --> NK someone else as town/mason. Kik remains in play. Next day lynch Kik.
3. Lynch Kik --> NK someone else as town/mason.

Kik = mason
1. Lynch Shotty --> NK kik as mason.
2. Lynch Shotty --> NK someone else as town/mason. Kik (mason) remains in play. Next day lynch Kik.
3. Lynch Kik (mason) --> NK someone else as town/mason.

Kik = scum
1. Lynch Shotty --> NK someone else as town/mason. Kik (scum) lynched next day.
2. Lynch Kik (scum)

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I seem to be in favor of the first 2 bulks.

unvote
vote: Shotty

[DarkLightA]

If someone can conflict with kikuchiyo's claim then please claim NOW.

[DarkLightA]

I think DLA is saying: "If kiku is not a mason, then one of the masons should counterclaim." I agree with him. If someone wants to counterclaim me they should do it now. If, for some reason I am alive tomorrow and someone attempts to counter me then, they should be autolynched.

Exactly

[DarkLightA]

Kik = innocent.
Shotty = scum.

You're welcome =D

[DarkLightA]

Scigatt, why is your vote where it is?

[DarkLightA]

Don't overload yourself Kise, better to be active in 1 game than constantly lurking in 5.

[DarkLightA]

I find it understandable with Kise. He's overloading himself and doesn't bother catching up, but the posts are just BUMPs.

I'm all for the lynch of Shotty. I take full responsibility.

[DarkLightA]

Your claim is?

[DarkLightA]

If Hewitt doesnt respond before the next time I check my computer

(which could be a little while)

he'll be replaced.
So... votecounts will be a bit more spaced due to the Christmas vacations and my more

limited access

, but I ain't forgetting you guys!

Posted 24th.

I'm praying that Shotty is scum.. I don't believe his claim, I think he just doesn't want the town to have time to talk pre-night with a confirmed scum.

[DarkLightA]

Note the original player list (Which he says he looked at) taken from the Open que:

Toro
hewitt
Yarmond
Albert B. Rampage
Ellibereth
Shotty to the Body
Netopalis
kikuchiyo
Konowa
DarkLightA
farside22
saberwolf

Neto's right above Kiku

Note that I never said that, and I looked at the iso list, hence the alphabetical order, and that Neto is right under the MOD? Don't put words in my mouth.

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Good catch though.. I realize that I look REALLY scummy for that...


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I'm inclined to continue my pressure on SC.

Vote SC

[DarkLightA]

And I forgot DLA.
DLA, what does Neto being under the mod have to do with anything?? You even had the mod on your list.

I was chuckling at myself for putting the mod on the list, and... I dunno... I guess I just forgot that Neto was in the game and wasn't replaced. More of a town tell =)

[DarkLightA]

I'm a double voter?

[DarkLightA]

Scigatt - No opinion really, kind of neutral read from the few posts he's had.
Kise - I think town, due to the utter lack of interest.
Hewitt - Slighly more scum than neutral, but a hard read.

[DarkLightA]

.
Kise - I think town, due to the utter lack of interest.

Seriously!
* grabs to OJ * Point to statement here.
This is incrediblly bad POV (point of view)

FOS: DLA

Huh? As a mafia Kise would be interested, and obviously he's placing other games before this one.

DLA, mind expanding on that read there? Is it your experience that town players tend to be disaffected?

Put it this way..
There's about 10 townies.
There's 2 scum.

Which team would need you more actively?

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I still have my money on SC.

[DarkLightA]

.
Kise - I think town, due to the utter lack of interest.

Seriously!
* grabs to OJ * Point to statement here.
This is incrediblly bad POV (point of view)

FOS: DLA

Huh? As a mafia Kise would be interested, and obviously he's placing other games before this one.

So does that make me scum in your book then?
Not sure about most people but I run across more scum that say next to nothing in the game, lurk and only come out to make a case when it's convient.

Not interested/active: Town tell
Interested/active:Null tell

I don't know.. I still think SC is a better bet than Kise.

[DarkLightA]

Mind you, I'm taking into account that he's from Norway.

Side comment: lol. I'm Finnish, my head makes that sound like you think we're living in caves here.

haha =) but that's what we do though!

anyway, this isn't much a reason, I've gone to english school for my entire life. However I'm the kind of person who just blurts out everything they think, and sometimes it comes across incorrectly.

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@whoever asked about the defending neto post: I had it somewhere, but I don't know where...

I actually think SC might be town.. Neto defended him a bit too much. In that case, there may be a scum who has fooled us all..

unvote

[DarkLightA]

ah, what the heck

vote:kise

[DarkLightA]

DLA is also a possibility, given he was voting me as most likely to be scum and then ended up voting for the person I've been pushing for ages, which is one of those red flags. I think he did the same thing with Shotty - would have to check on that though.

You're not off my possible scum list.

I believe in a Kise + ____ combination.

[DarkLightA]

@ mod, when's the DL? It's not posted in the vote counts.

[DarkLightA]

Budja, you're just like me.. 1 town-looking player (who was a mason, obv-town), and the rest scum xP

[DarkLightA]

The Twentythird Votecount: One More?

Budja (1): Elli
Kise (3): Ojanen, Serial, DLA

Not Voting (5): Farside, Budja, Scigatt, Kise,

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is the 23th at 23:59!

I am currently seeking replacement for Scigatt...

Pretty sure it is

Right now I'm thinking Scigatt / SC. But not both at once.

Vote: SC

[DarkLightA]

Sorry @ the weird quote. I was going to say that I thought that was last day's

[DarkLightA]

Sorry @ the weird quote. I was going to say that I thought that was last day's

The DL that was.

[DarkLightA]

DLA why did you vote for kise when you said you believe him to be bored town?

I was hooolding my vote at that time, but later decided to join the BW for added pressure.

Currently I'm convinced of everyone but SC and Scigatt as town, but I think there has to be one of the "townies" that is scum, as I don't think a SC Scigatt pair works.

[DarkLightA]

Sorry for the inactivity. I've been here, just not found anything to write

(...)

I'm kind of unsure here... Budja and Ojanen are definitely the most scummy, I feel.
With Kise coming next..

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Oh, whatever.. Budja is definitely the most scummy.

Hammer Vote: Budja

[DarkLightA]

I'm all in for a no lynch.

Right now I have no clue as to who is what.

Vote: no lynch

I think it's best to eliminate as many townies as possible when you're facing a wall or unsecurity like this.

[DarkLightA]

wall of* insecurity

heh

[DarkLightA]

Unvote

FoS: Kise

[DarkLightA]

I guess my position on the no lynch business is summed up by this: mason claims today and we have 1 confirmed inno. We no lynch and we will have the confirmed inno as a dead slot anyway plus a possible very valuable second inno if the mason isn't nightkilled, plus I think the scum's nk choice would be interesting info.
It's clear to me beyond any shadow of doubt we should no lynch instead of lynching today.

Ditto. No lynch is clearly the best for today. I just think we shouldn't jump through days. The previous day was a perfect example of that.

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Hammer: No lynch

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I'm leaning towards a draw as a fair outcome for this..

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Dla: Has a mafia no kill occurred in any of the games you've played so far?

No, and it annoys me that I didn't think of it... Seems very powerful at times.

Vote: No lynch

trying again.

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It is very hard for me to see scum motivation for DLA to advocate a draw though.

I'm not in for a draw. Simply giving scum an extra night.

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I think a mason claim would be good now. If there's a false-claim, then at least one of us (the mason) knows who's scum.

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mod... ^^

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I'm leaning towards this:

TOWN
DLA
Ojanen
Kise
Elli
SCUM

[DarkLightA]

Yup.

Budja, you're just like me.. 1 town-looking player (

who was a mason

, obv-town), and the rest scum xP

Vote: No lynch

Unvote

what is this post about? The phrases and quotes are contradicting

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I am not mason.

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DLA, explain the quote that Kise quoted.

Talking about Albert.

DLA, how could you think Elli was scum when me and Kise had already claimed not mason and from your perspective Elli was the only possible mason?

I wasn't taking non-claims into consideration, because I felt that they weren't reliable enough to lean on.

Kise is scum.

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Kise... This is stupid.

You're bringing up topics from pages back to get discussion. Scummy? Yeah.

If you'd care to re-read, which you obviously don't because you're scum, you'd see that there's something called CONTEXT:
viewtopic.php?t=12759&postdays=0&postor ... start=1450

Here is a quote about what it is:
"con⋅text  [kon-tekst] Show IPA
–noun
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc."

just since you apparently didn't know.

anyway, you'll see that this quote of me came from when Budja came into play. He said he saw everyone but one (Ojanen) as scummy. I say "Yeah, that's the same as with me in D1. Albert, who i saw as obv-town, and flipped mason, was the only one i trusted."

Hope this clarifies.

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I don't have a clue where that went.. I'll try again..

Kise... This is stupid.

You're bringing up topics from pages back to get discussion. Scummy? Yeah.

If you'd care to re-read, which you obviously don't because you're scum, you'd see that there's something called CONTEXT:
viewtopic.php?t=12759&postdays=0&postor ... start=1450

Here is a quote about what it is:
"con⋅text  [kon-tekst] Show IPA
–noun
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc."

just since you apparently didn't know.

anyway, you'll see that this quote of me came from when Budja came into play. He said he saw everyone but one (Ojanen) as scummy. I say "Yeah, that's the same as with me in D1. Albert, who i saw as obv-town, and flipped mason, was the only one i trusted."

Hope this clarifies.

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Kise, please extend on that statement.

I've got a theory, but I'm holding it until after your post.

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Why aren't you voting for Ojanen, Kise?

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Okay, I'm convinced. Kise's post was just enough to make me understand.

Vote: Kise

And we are NOT having another night. Period.

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Kise, the reason is that before I had no clue as to who was scum, but now it's quite obvious.

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unvote

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Sorry, kinda forgot about this game =P Had to start up open 206.

Anyway, I'm still stuck here, not sure who to decide on. I'm vanilla myself, but if you don't wanna believe that then that's your problem.

Leaning towards Ojanen, but not enough to vote.

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Oj, no it's just my general feeling of your play. Either way it's good.

If Kise doesn't hammer, these are the outcomes:

DLA town sees Oj scum, Kise town
DLA scum sees Oj town, Kise town
Oj town sees DLA scum, Kise town
Oj scum sees DLA town, Kise town
Kise town sees DLA unsure, Oj unsure
Kise scum isn't an option.

All see Elli as town.

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So, as I know I'm town, I'll have a clear reading of scum on Oj, but unfortunately that isn't enough.
I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping for Kise not hammering.

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Vote: Ojanen

Well played, wouldn't have guessed that it was you earlier =)

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The Twentyseventh Votecount: Dead End

Budja (2): Serial, Ojanen
SC (5): DLA, Ellibereth, Budja, Farside, Kise

Not Voting (1): DedicatedScribe

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is the 23th at 23:59!

The day way was blurry, more than the last two, more than the night before... Someone, a stir, and then someone else.

Wait, when did SC get killed?

His feet are surrounded in various tools you'd expect to find on a mafioso... Cards, a revolver, cyanide...

Sleep... must... make it to bed...

SerialClergyman was lynched! He was a [/color]

Mafia Goon

Night will last until the 24th at 23:59!


Question: Is the fact the writing style somewhat inconsistent annoying you people? Because if so, I'll just stick to normal writing (like night 1)

Enough said. From 22th Jan.

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Not in any other games, Ojanen, but modding one.

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And my plan, which disappeared suddenly, wasn't a plan, it was just a thing to pressure Kise. Unfortunately it backfired.

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Anyway. Remember this Kise and Elli:

The one of Ojanen and me who is town, knows that the other is scum.

That's vital.

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i.e. For the one who's scum it'll be vital for a win to prove the scumminess of the town player.

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Okay, give me a list of questions and I'll answer them all honestly.

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Sorry, kinda forgot about this game =P Had to start up open 206.

should smell fake to others too.
It does happen that people forget games when they're in many of them, or are completely sucked in by rl or similar. DLA "forgot" his only game close to deadline in endgame situation the moment I layed my case against him, while continuing to come back several times to the site to mod his game and /in for new games.

It's my first modding game. And I found this one again when searching through my watched topics.

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What on EARTH was that all about Kise?

And I find it hillarious how Ojanen was town.. I'm sorry dude!

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Oh, nvm, saw your post XD

Yea, sorry, I wasn't really all that focussed when I started modding my first game. That "forget" post was leg.

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Do you guys think it's a good idea with the Graveyard thing, or is it a bit too risky?