Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

kikuchiyo · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:34 am

farside22 wrote:
kikuchiyo wrote:
Unvote, vote: DLA

Chainsaw defense by Farside? Are you guys 2/3 of the mafia?
Explain how my comment is a chainsaw defense. Do you find it not scummy to put words that someone didn't say into their statement?
Mind you as I said just the post previously I understand better what saber was doing but I see scum put twist interpretation into peoples statement more often then not.

Chainsaw defense is when one scum defends another scum by attacking the other scums attacker. To answer the question: There is no absolute answer. It depends on the intention. Saber's post read more like a joke with a serious undertone. i.e. DLA implied that I was scummy. Their post was not made clearly in jest(AEB 49). I think Saber may have been testing that out. Your reaction seemed like a defense of DLA. Is DLA incapable of defending themselves? In any case, I placed a question mark after my "chainsaw" comment. That means I am asking, not accusing. Are we done having fun?

DarkLightA · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:41 am

kikuchiyo wrote:DLA implied that I was scummy.

I just didn't understand the internal joke.

kikuchiyo · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:01 am

I am unclear on 49. What was it that you thought was scummy?

DarkLightA · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:05 am

I was just explaining something to saber. I now realize that I was (probably) wrong about accusing you.

saberwolf · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:09 am

DarkLightA wrote:I was just explaining something to saber. I now realize that I was (probably) wrong about accusing you.

dogmatic = scummy or VI

you chose not to be dogmatic, so I respect that

unvote

Lab Mafia · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:51 pm

Vote Count

1 - Toro - (Netopalis)
hewitt -
Yarmond -
1 - Albert B. Rampage - (farside22)
Ellibereth -
Shotty to the Body -
Netopalis -
kikuchiyo -
1 - Konowa - (Shotty to the Body)
1 - DarkLightA - (kikuchiyo)
1 - farside22 - (Ellibereth)
1 - Saberwolf - (Albert B. Rampage)

Not Voting - DarklightA, Konowa, Yarmond, hewitt, Toro, saberwolf

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is December 11th 5:00PM

Also I couldn't post a vote count yesterday because I was on the wii

Ellibereth · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:16 am

I'm V/LA for two-three days. Sorry guys.

Konowa · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:44 am

Sorry for the lack of posting. Wifey had to be rushed to the hospital early Thursday morning to have her appendix removed. Long story short, just got in this morning and will catch up today. I will try and get a post with my thoughts out before I head out today.

kikuchiyo · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:58 am

Unvote

Okay.

Vote: Yarmond

Thoughts?

Konowa · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:06 am

Oh, well that was shorter than I thought.

kikuchiyo, post 58 wrote:Vote: Yarmond

Thoughts?

Agree.

vote Yarmond

I am also unimpressed by Net's lack of lawyering thus far.

Netopalis · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:03 am

Well, I've been away. Now that I'm back.....

I don't really like saber's attack on Hewitt. There is supposedly no "random vote stage", and the idea that everybody must vote for a random player negates the intent. It is laughable to seriously suspect someone for that reason.

I also don't like Darklight's play in this game, but I know from a previous game with him that he acts extremely, extremely scummily as town.

I'm getting an initial town read from Kikuchiyo for pushing the game forward and mediating a lot of the little petty disputes.

DarkLightA · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:52 am

kikuchiyo wrote:
Unvote

Okay.

Vote: Yarmond

Thoughts?

Konowa wrote:Oh, well that was shorter than I thought.

kikuchiyo, post 58 wrote:Vote: Yarmond

Thoughts?
Agree.

vote Yarmond

I am also unimpressed by Net's lack of lawyering thus far.

Huh?

kikuchiyo · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:19 am

Yarmond

Post count = 0

DarkLightA · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:33 am

I see

Vote: Yarmond

Netopalis · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:57 am

I just looked at the other game that Yarmond is in and he hasn't posted there either. I would recommend prod/replacement, since it's unlikely that he will show up.

farside22 · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:38 pm

kikuchiyo wrote:
farside22 wrote:
kikuchiyo wrote:
Unvote, vote: DLA

Chainsaw defense by Farside? Are you guys 2/3 of the mafia?
Explain how my comment is a chainsaw defense. Do you find it not scummy to put words that someone didn't say into their statement?
Mind you as I said just the post previously I understand better what saber was doing but I see scum put twist interpretation into peoples statement more often then not.
Chainsaw defense is when one scum defends another scum by attacking the other scums attacker. To answer the question: There is no absolute answer. It depends on the intention. Saber's post read more like a joke with a serious undertone. i.e. DLA implied that I was scummy. Their post was not made clearly in jest(AEB 49). I think Saber may have been testing that out. Your reaction seemed like a defense of DLA. Is DLA incapable of defending themselves? In any case, I placed a question mark after my "chainsaw" comment. That means I am asking, not accusing. Are we done having fun?

Wow this is the first time that chainsaw defense actually made sense to me. Can't believe no one ever simplfied it's meaning to me.
In other news voting on someone that hasn't posted anywhere in any game typically means we need a replacement and those BW votes do nothing for the game.

Shotty to the Body · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:46 pm

Chainsaw really isn't conclusive unless one party or the other is actually conf scum.

farside22 · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:20 pm

Shotty to the Body wrote:Chainsaw really isn't conclusive unless one party or the other is actually conf scum.

Oh I get that I just always felt confused whenever I heard the term but I wasn't defending DLA I was question saberwolf on his edit of DLA's post so I'm not sure how that qualifies as chainsaw defense.

kikuchiyo · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:36 pm

farside22 wrote:
Shotty to the Body wrote:Chainsaw really isn't conclusive unless one party or the other is actually conf scum.
Oh I get that I just always felt confused whenever I heard the term but I wasn't defending DLA I was question saberwolf on his edit of DLA's post so I'm not sure how that qualifies as chainsaw defense.

Technically it doesn't. If you and DLA are scum buddies then that would be a chainsaw defense. Hence the question mark.

64 makes sense.

Unvote

Let's see if the mod is on top of this one.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:41 pm

shotty, do you like to bandwagon or are you more of a conservative player?

farside, thoughts on Dark Light?

Neto, can you link to DL's games and demonstrate the scumminess you allude to?

kikuchiyo, is that you (or representative of you) in your avatar?

Netopalis · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:05 am

ABR, I'm basing this on one game - my first newbie game on the site. Here's the link:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12274

I haven't played any other games with him, so he may be a bit better in others...but in that one, he played so scummily that we were able to lynch him even after he claimed doc...

Shotty to the Body · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:13 am

More conservative than not I suppose, though you have to adapt to the situation.

DarkLightA · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:42 am

In fact saber was chainsaw defending just as much as me.

Albert B. Rampage wrote:kikuchiyo, is that you (or representative of you) in your avatar?

farside22 · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:42 am

My thoughts on DarkLightA.
Well looking back his first post and reasoning is meh. Most people vote RVS. He says he finds kikuchiyo the most scummy but not why.
This comment below makes no sense to me at all.

DarkLightA wrote:
kikuchiyo wrote:
Unvote, vote: DLA

Chainsaw defense by Farside? Are you guys 2/3 of the mafia?
No, because it seems like you had a non-random vote, and tried to "hide" it (so that you don't get the blame later) by adding an innocent

kiku wrote:In other news: I absolutely love this cast! I know 8/12 I believe. Fun fun!
Please explain your vote.

He unvoted and voted on a no show as a BW vote.
So far I am less then impressed with anything that DLA has given this game. It's been either meh comments or BW on someone who is most likely just needed to be replaced. None of this reads townie to me.

unvote:
vote: DLA

DarkLightA · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:49 am

@Farside: This is what I meant by that "makes no sense" quote:

kikuchiyo wrote:
Vote: Shotty to the Body

I didn't appreciate being killed. I found it rude and uncalled for.

In other news: I absolutely love this cast! I know 8/12 I believe. Fun fun!

It would seem like the last sentence could be used to dampen the serverity of the vote.

Unvote
Vote: Farside

Not OMGUS:

First you supported me, then suddenly about 2-3 people go against me, and you find a chance to change before everyone goes against you for the support you gave (posts a few posts back show suspicion coming onto you because of this). So you find a chance to vote me first, making it seem like you'd be the starter of it,without really being so. This seems REALLY scummy to me. Don't know about you guys.