Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

[SerialClergyman]

I assumed it would go to night after a modkill, I withdraw my objection.

[dramonic]

If you have any idea for a replacement for Scigatt/Hewitt, I'd appreciate you give it without trying to cut deals with me
And unless you can get the complete playerbase to agree to this modkill, it's not happening.

[Kise]

Lol. I'll ask around. Nothing guaranteed.

Would the day continue if we all want you to slay hewitt?

[dramonic]

Yes it would.

[Kise]

I apologize, dram. I didn't consider how it would look if you agreed to bargaining with a player.

[Kise]

I agree to modkill hewitt

[Ojanen]

Waiting for him to make scumslips will not help you lynch him if he's scum; at best, you have to determine a relationship based on dead scum like I'm viewing Neto-hewitt. Neto's interactions with Shotty appeared in a case used against him mid-day 2.

When you see my post voting you featuring the word "gutgutgutgutgut" and telling specifically that the starting point to rationalization that finds me scum most often for me is just that, it should be pretty clear to you I'm not sitting around waiting for "scumslips", only some of which I find useful scumtells in the first place.

You mentioned earlier that you had a game or two with SC, but I don't get why that explains how you two are kind of buddying up here. On the surface it looks like Ether & Patrick, but since this relationship is only 2 games or so, I'm not comfortable with your trust of each other when there's only one mason left.

Read the posts man, I hate repetition and I don't feel I've actually favored Serial ingame out of outgame reasons, I basically got a townread right from D1 and elaborated on it starting in my catchup for transparency.

We have conversed non-game relatedly for a fair bit and played together in a bunch of games. I like him/playing with him. No further story, we don't know each other in rl or anything.

"Played a bunch" means we've played in 4-5 ended games together.
"conversed non-game relatedly for a fair bit" and "I like him" means that we have become friends outside of games.
If you want more transparency on why I think he's leaning town now you should ask for in-game reasons as I suggested people who wanted clarification instead of playing down my earlier out-of-game answer.

If and only if the game doesn't go to night after it and we still get to lynch, I agree to a hewitt modkill.

(Yes, I have a gutread leaning rather more town than scum but I'm ok with cutting down the pool of 5 possible scums since it costs us nothing, black&white info is great and it's obviously likely ABR wouldn't have run up his mason buddy like that.)

[farside22]

If you have any idea for a replacement for Scigatt/Hewitt, I'd appreciate you give it without trying to cut deals with me
And unless you can get the complete playerbase to agree to this modkill, it's not happening.

I think giving it a bit more time is a good idea as a mod. I personal hate modkilling unless absolutely necessary.

Also if you do a modkill at all it should most likely be both players (if you can't get either replaced) and the day should just end.


If the mod can't find a spot and decides it's hopeless and hewitt or saber both turn out town. That leaves 6 players left and lylo for tomorrow
This is all based on if hewitt/saber is town.

I want to just think with the possibility of lynching hewitt. Hewitt we know is either VT/ or scum based on the claim day 1

[dramonic]

I might have a replacement coming

[dramonic]

Budja is replacing Hewitt, effective now!
Everyone give him a warm welcome and try not to kill him before he can read the thread

[Budja]

Hello.

I'd appreciate it if someone could point out the important bits to look at.
Skimming...

[Kise]

Hello.

Unvote

[Ellibereth]

Haido, ignore my shitty D1 play.

[farside22]

Hello.

I'd appreciate it if someone could point out the important bits to look at.
Skimming...

It's either you or Kise up for debate today on who to lynch. Since I have a good read on you as scum from other games I'm not looking to give much insight without seeing what you are capable of.

[Ojanen]

Thank you for replacing in, Budja, awesome that we got someone.
The modkilling without going to night wouldn't probably be game ethically that right anyway in this situation since it would become part of game tactics.

Whoever unvoted SC earlier (and you, farside), would you consider hewitt or SC more? I didn't know SC is at L-4, so support for that lynch looks easier.

Kise, I don't understand the reasoning why you switched back your opinion again back from top-choice-for-lynch-is-hewitt to top-choice-for-lynch-is-SC.
Some post of his trigger it?
Cause reading the reason here doesn't make sense to me, actually "L-4" means 1 vote and hewitt had 2 (counting also yours), and I think hewitt was gaining momentum if anything.
Just curious.

[Ojanen]

Shit. I'm feeling farside scale uncertainty. I have an urge to unvote just for that. Feeling sucky about my reads.
Replacement timings make me wifom myself thinking about a scum outside of Kise, hewitt and Scigatt.
Ugh. I'll get a grip on something later today.

[SerialClergyman]

If you're feeling uncertain about Kise but have him in your top 3, why unvote?

[SerialClergyman]

Oh, massive fail. Scum outside of those three.

I continue to be sure that Scigatt is town though.

[Ojanen]

Naw, actually that's no way for someone with a weak personality like mine to play mafia. Too low blood sugar level fail posting. Something's fishy with my reads but I need to separate it from traveling induced appetite loss effects. (gut etc hehe.)

Kise, when and why did your read on DLA change?

[DarkLightA]

Mind you, I'm taking into account that he's from Norway.

Side comment: lol. I'm Finnish, my head makes that sound like you think we're living in caves here.

haha =) but that's what we do though!

anyway, this isn't much a reason, I've gone to english school for my entire life. However I'm the kind of person who just blurts out everything they think, and sometimes it comes across incorrectly.

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@whoever asked about the defending neto post: I had it somewhere, but I don't know where...

I actually think SC might be town.. Neto defended him a bit too much. In that case, there may be a scum who has fooled us all..

unvote

[dramonic]

The Twentysecond Votecount: One More!

Budja (1): Elli
Kise (2): Ojanen, Serial

Not Voting (5): Farside, Budja, Scigatt, Kise, DLA

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is the 23th at 23:59!

I am currently seeking replacement for Scigatt...

[Ojanen]

Side comment: lol. I'm Finnish, my head makes that sound like you think we're living in caves here.

haha =) but that's what we do though

Uh...you're right... my family runs the polar bear cart taxi service in Helsinki so we have an actual farm to keep them and I sometimes forget the layman's conditions
Any idea about the scum who's fooling people then? What would be your opinion on uniting the nordic people on a Kise bandwagon?

[farside22]

I'm waiting on budja to catch up before placing my vote back down.
I can see a case for both kise/budja as scum and I'm torn by too much thinking.

[DarkLightA]

ah, what the heck

vote:kise

[Budja]

Still reading I'm afraid, it seems most cases reach all the way back to the first day.