I guess my position on the no lynch business is summed up by this: mason claims today and we have 1 confirmed inno. We no lynch and we will have the confirmed inno as a dead slot anyway plus a possible very valuable second inno if the mason isn't nightkilled, plus I think the scum's nk choice would be interesting info.
It's clear to me beyond any shadow of doubt we should no lynch instead of lynching today.
I am going to post some stuff since the undercurrent seems to be mostly one that wants to lynch me here and I don't feel like taking it quietly in lylo.
I don't remember any of you mentioning anything except the link to Serial as to why you think I'm scummy, so that's what I'm going to address. If there's something else, let me know.
Basically there seems to be these components: I defended Serial, we shared similar opinions and I was friendly to him.
Friendliness is easy as it's obvious rubbish as a scumtell. There's absolutely no special advantage for scum-scum to be friendly to each other in-thread, often rather the opposite. Neither Serial or I (or most of anyone on site) are such bad players that blatant buddying would just leak out of our posts due to having no control on hiding alignment and teammates.
We are, however, actual friends, and for a large part of the thread I had an unfortunate probtownread on him (which I thought was an unbiased read, not sure anymore but can't change the past). Occam should apply to why friendliness is null.
As to sharing similar opinions and defending him, obviously I did that a fair bit. Because I thought he was probtown, and because he's often an excellent scumhunter when he's town I did listen to what he said and partly agree, and we ended up pursuing some similar stuff often enough.
Newbie 764
Open 131
High life mafia
Mafia 105
Quick and dirty mafia
Amished village
This is every scumgame I've ever played, bar one that I played as part of a hydra.
Anyone familiar with my meta would know that it would be extremely, ridiculously, out-of-mindedly unusual for me to have an obvious positive link to a scumbuddy as with Serial. They would tell how I am when I'm scum: stressed, using very reasonable and convincing enough arguments to guard myself pre-emptively from attacks, almost overcompensating. Because that's what I do, overcompensate. I have nervously bussed often quite early. I have
never
, as far as I can remember, explicitly defended a scumpartner of mine, although I have subtly derailed. When a scumbuddy of mine has been lynched, I don't think I've
ever
been off wagon.
Even in my newbie game I bussed my partner getting under a wave I thought was rising as first vote on lynch wagon, and this on D1. I won't bore you with detailed descriptions, but I have consistently bussed and never truly defended.
In Amished village we thought we might auto-lose due to a jailkeep-thing if my partner was lynched D2 which looked likely so we delayed staging a big fight to D3 and the wagons did turn. Even there I didn't defend him or obviously derail, more like pussyfooted around it. But check what I wrote in the daytalking topic to see I'm not making this up:
I wrote:Yeah, sorry to be a pessimist but the situation is kinda bad. No real case against you but you still look like a pretty likely lynch.
Under normal circumstances I would bus hard even without the case.
Gimme a sec, I'll think about the wagons.
Regarding anything I've ever done in the past, a huge and obvious surface link to a scum would absolutely not be a scumtell to me at all. Regarding 100% of my past actions it would be the totally contrary to anything I've ever done as scum.
On the other hand, I have vehemetly defended and gotten linked to people I thought were town as town (they've always been so before this though, lol, sigh, that's probably why I had gotten reckless).
This argument is usable only once, because expressing it explicitly and publicly here will make it go down too deep in WIFOM kingdom for future games. But I have never used it before, I have never been in trouble as town for my own play before and it is true and checkable.
Dammit guys! I am not scum here.
Kise, such certainty is arrogance to the nuances of playing mafia and you're wrong. Check Elli in mafia 108 if you want to lose sleep. Possibility of concrete info is not to be thrown away.
