Watch out, quote wall coming. Sorry.
kikuchiyo wrote:Ojanen wrote:
At the time you hammered there were several conversations going on, contrary to Serial's fake hammer time.
I disagree. Only two players requested time, and one of them put Neto to L-1. If Albert wanted to stall for time then he shouldn't have revoted.
There were
conversations going on
, as I already said.
The last content posts before your hammer:
ABR wrote:It's important that we get to hear from Kitty's slot and have the rest of the town comment on the situation before we hammer Netopalis.
-question and answer between Saber/ABR
-question from Serial to ABR
-short shout out of scummy names from Kitty, catchup is under process
-Serial asks question from Kitty, doesn't like what he saw
-you hammer
That's clearly a cut.
Kiku wrote:See what you are doing here:
Oj wrote: Disliked excusing herself as part of the wagon btw - none of the Neto momentum came from her spot.
You can't have it both ways. Either give me credit for being on the wagon, or don't. In situation 1 you are "blaming" me for ending the day(even though Neto was scum.) In situation 2 you are condemning me for pointing out that I hammered. That's not really fair. If we leave the thread open, people are going to continue to talk.
Deadline was just as far away when Serial hammered.
There were still two players who had contiributed very little.
MIGHTILY disagreeing that I'm unreasonable here.
There are obviously different ways of being on a wagon depending on timing, general situation, accompagnying persuasion of others etc. For the type of wagoning that creates momentum on scum you would get credit. For hammering someone who clearly looks like a inevitable lynch there is no reason at all to give extra credit. Me disliking you hinting to try and claim wagon credit is perfectly reasonable.
kiku wrote:Oj wrote:Albert had stressed not to hammer, modifying his stance from earlier.
Again: no. He put Neto back to L-1. Neto could have self hammered to end discussion.
This is just false, see the last quote from Albert above. Yes, he put Neto to L-1. And that got this interesting reaction from you.
As for you vs. Serial asking question of flip affecting reads, you asked in (false) twilight from everyone conclusions of a flip directly implying chaining Serial. Serial asked from one person with hyperlow content implying chaining noone (pre-hammer also, but that's not as relevant since lynch seemed inevitable).
I note btw you are constantly saying variations of "Serial did it too". Can you tell what was the point of your questions instead?
kiku wrote:You're not voting yet either. Though I think SC is obvscum here, that doesn't mean we should pile on and finish him. He may very well be town. Interesting how you characterize my day 1 play as "hammering early", and now criticze me for being conservative.
How is me voting or not voting relevant at all? I haven't called anyone obvscum today. The whole point was that your hammer is uncharacteristically hasty regards to your other play, and your explanation at the time (liking excitement or whatever similar it was) doesn't fit rest of your voting patterns. Your last sentence misses the point.
Also, do you think I am scummy?
kiku wrote:You are confusing me. I am suspicious because I am not voting, but you don't like my "manner of attack". Who have I actually "attacked"? I feel like I spent the beginning of the day defending myself from Serial, and the players I suggested we start filtering are those not on the scum wagon from yesterday. Same question to you as to the others: Even if you are suspicious of me, do you think that both scum were on the day 1 scumwagon? If so, who else is scum? If not, why try and use my theory against me when the odds are clearly in support of my logic(1/4 is easier to sift through than 1/6.)
I don't feel like rereading you right now again, but you have definitively attacked Serial, and you have attacked the non-wagoners.
I think you are the most likely scum on the wagon, and also consider you barely on it, and you are again defending yourself based on chiming in the hammer. Off wagon I'm still looking at Shotty and Kise. I'm keeping an eye on 2 others. Yes, I find it rather likely there was scum off wagon. No, that probability is zzz. I'm not looking at 6 people (actually 5 cause I know I'm town). I'm trying to operate non-randomly based on info from the thread; I'm looking at you specifically. I'm looking at the others I'm suspicious of specifically.
kiku wrote:Oj wrote:"Don't hold replacement's actions against them" was weird from Neto. Slight wifom scumpoints to the Yarmond spot I think then, whoever's turn it is not to play it currently (Kise?).
This is difficult to figure out as well. Inactives are usually easy targets for scum, so going out of one's way to protect player slots that are nearly vacant just makes little sense. Wifom, and almost to me seems like a train of thought we should abandon.
Wait wait wait. You agree with DLA that Neto going out of his way to give clean slate to CSL replacement is scummy, but in the case of Yarmond we should abandon the thought, when what he really did was express desire to give clean slate to everyone replacing in?
kiku wrote:Oj: Who did Neto pursue as scum on day 1?
This means who he thought was scum? (insert compulsory "I have ESL" excuse here.)
Too impatient to iso right now. Off the top of my head he attacked ABR, shaped up to hammer hewitt, attacked Saber, vaguely attacked many really with not carrying that much out (expressed willingness to policy lynch DLA, CSL at some points for instance.).
What is the point of you quizzing me?