Mini 828 - ProzacMod 3 - Lost Mafia - Over

ZONEACE · Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:04 pm

Confirm

ZONEACE · Post Post #63 (isolation #1) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:05 am

vote vp baltar

for being the last person to post before i posted.

ZONEACE · Post Post #67 (isolation #2) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:46 pm

We're two pages into a game with 12 people, lets all stop acting like we're out of the random voting stage.

ZONEACE · Post Post #70 (isolation #3) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:28 pm

ChannelDelibird wrote:
EmpTyger wrote:CD:
ChannelDelibird [64] wrote:
Vote: Zoneace
for posting as if the last two pages of discussion didn't happen.

I see signs of theoretical differences of opinion in the last couple of pages, not any real suggestion of scummy intent from any party.
If there hasn't yet been any "suggestion of scummy intent", what's wrong with still randomvoting?
I don't have a problem with Zoneace random voting at this stage, but I don't think that's mutually exclusive to giving his opinion on what's been said so far, even if it's him saying he doesn't think any of it is important. The lack of comment on the discussion so far suggests to me that he's happy to let it continue while he ignores it and stays off the radar.

ZONEACE · Post Post #72 (isolation #4) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:33 pm

I just think its silly that you think its scummy for me not commenting on the fact that NOT A FUCKING THING HAS HAPPENED SO FAR.

ZONEACE · Post Post #85 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:36 am

Well, hello noob scum

unvote vote jason

You just repeated exactly what someone else said and that something you repeated was clearly bullshit.

There is no case against me

Literally nothing of note happened before I posted. there was nothing for me to comment on. CDB and Jason have become my top two targets with Locke in third.

attempting to build a bull shit case, followe by jumpers onto the bullshit case. that's good enough for me.

ZONEACE · Post Post #88 (isolation #6) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:47 am

VP Baltar wrote:Wow, Zoneace, you're certainly sensitive about people voting against you. I agree that jason's vote is just sheeping along, but you're certianly having a fit over nothing.

Im halfway to a lynch FOR NO FUCKING REASON. that's a little more than nothing.

I've had 3 people vote for me because apparently random voting on page 3 of a mini is a scumtell. Im suck of the bullshit i go through in every game. the towns just get more and more stupid every game i play in. Random voting is one thing, but voting for bullshit reasons? Its fucking frustrating. Im sick of it. MAKE A REAL FUCKING CASE IF YOU WANT TO MOVE OUT OF RANDOM VOTING INSTEAD OF JUST PULLING SHIT OUT OF YOUR ASS AND CLAIMING ITS A CASE.

ZONEACE · Post Post #90 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:38 am

ChannelDelibird wrote:ZONEACE, you have a few things wrong:

1) The case is NOT the random vote. It's completely ignoring everything else that was said.
2) 3 votes =/= a lynch. It's not even close.
3) You're suggesting that we all want you immediately lynched or not. I'm nowhere near certain enough that you're scum to want that yet. I just think your post was the scummiest one so far.
4) Games don't just lurch from the Random Vote Stage to the Concrete Case Stage. Early cases clearly aren't going to be enough for a lynch, and you're acting like we should either be random voting and shutting up or having cold hard proof that someone is scum.

1, really, it looks like that's what the case is. That i random voted and didn't use anyhting form the previous page and a half to decide who to vote for.

2 In a mini, 3 votes is a LOT of votes. it's halfway to a lynch.

3 you may not have wanted me lynched immediately, but the 2 jackasses that jumped on the wagon pretty quickly certianly did. especially that last one.

4 I realize that, but there has been NO CASE MADE AGAINST ME. "you didn't comment on the random voting happening before you random voted" is not a case.

ZONEACE · Post Post #92 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:08 am

yes you're an idiot, that's personal.

my reactions are actually exaclty inline with my reactiosn ALWAYS. so, stop trying to claim that my reactions are scummy and do a little fucking research.

I'm sick of these fucking useless towns in every game.

ZONEACE · Post Post #95 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:15 am

iIts fucking frustring to deal with the same bullshit in EVERY GAME. It's not fun having someone who KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE SITE, start claiming people's reactions are indicative OF ANYTHING. especially after they've jumpe don a bullshit wagon without adding any reasoning. just RESTATING what has already be said. despite the fact what has already been said was clearly BULLSHIT.

you are noob scum

even if I die first, I will be vindicated when you are revealed.

ZONEACE · Post Post #96 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:16 am

jasonT1981 wrote:What about the other 2 voting you Zoneace? anything to say about that?

READ THE FUCKING THREAD

ZONEACE · Post Post #98 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:20 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:ZA, calm down...I agree (mostly) with you..

no one is going to lynch you on page 4.

there are far too many people that haven't been here for very long for me to trust that.

all it takes is a couple of nublets getting overly excited.

ZONEACE · Post Post #100 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:23 am

jasonT1981 wrote: Please stop making it personal and swearing, namecalling etc, it makes for not a very fun game.

Excuse me while I don't care.

ZONEACE · Post Post #102 (isolation #13) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:27 am

VP Baltar wrote:Frankly, you ought to be lynched for being such spaz. Why even play mafia if three votes puts your blood pressure through the roof?

its not having three votes.
its having 3 votes, so quickly for no reason, when the people voting claim they aren;'t random votes. if there was a real case against me, that would be one thing. but i'm halfway to a lynch for IGNORING OTHER PEOPLE RANDOM VOTES BEFORE MAKING MY OWN RANDOM VOTE.

ZONEACE · Post Post #105 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:30 am

jasonT1981 wrote:I quoted my reasons for voting... surely then that is then a case? no matter if you agree with it or not?

Any reasons for voting is a case? No?

no, not so. Me ignoring people's random votes is not a case. Its an excuse for a scum wagon.

ZONEACE · Post Post #106 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:32 am

nothing happened before my random vote that was worth discussing. People confirmed, people random voted, people requested that we not discuss S6 spoilers, then there was some confusion by people about whether someone's random vote was serious.

NOTHING WORTH MY TIME.

ZONEACE · Post Post #110 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:37 am

ugh, this all bullshit,. you're wrong, i'm right, you're scum.

ZONEACE · Post Post #112 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:39 am

I MADE A CASE YOU SHOUDL LEARN TO READ

ZONEACE · Post Post #116 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:42 am

certainly bigger than "you ignored the random votes before you". you made a nub scum move of jumping on a weak case to move forward a wagon.

you had nothing ot add to the reasoning, you simply restated what CDB said. everything you did is indicative of scum.

ZONEACE · Post Post #118 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:47 am

?????????? everything else?

ZONEACE · Post Post #121 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:51 am

WHERE THE FUCK DID I SAY "EVERYTHING ELSE"

please make sense.

ZONEACE · Post Post #122 (isolation #21) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:52 am

I EXPLAINED IT ALREADY. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. im not going ot repeat it just because you are illiterate.

christ its on this fucking page. how dense are you?

ZONEACE · Post Post #126 (isolation #22) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:34 am

Umm i'll have to look my self, as I've only died in one game since I returned (which is still on going) and don't remember the last time i was scum.

ZONEACE · Post Post #129 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:56 am

ChannelDelibird wrote:Also, please, could you tone down the swearing a bit. I don't mind it occasionally but when it's every other word it's just irritating, not fun.

could you stop pushing a bullshit case? I don't mind legitimate reasons for voting, but using "you ignored the random votes before you" as a case is just irritating. not fun.

ZONEACE · Post Post #131 (isolation #24) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:20 am

Was my ignoring not an obvious enough sign that i thought it wasn't important?

was my repeating NOTHING WORTH MY TIME HAPPENED BEFORE I POSTED not obvious enough?

OK I'LL MAKE THIS EASY

NOTHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I POSTED WARRANTED COMMENT. IT WAS ALL POINTLESS AND ADDED NOTHING TO THE GAME OR MY ABILITY TO HUNT SCUM. I IGNORED IT BECAUSE OF THAT. I DON'T LIKE COMMENTING ON THINGS THAT ARE POINTLESS, ITS A WASTE OF TIME, BUT BECAUSE YOU (AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS) FELT THE NEED TO CLAIM IT MADE ME SCUM FOR NOT COMMENTING, I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO COMMENT AND AS SUCH, WASTE MY TIME COMMENTING ON SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT WORTH IT.

ZONEACE · Post Post #132 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:24 am

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... highlight= R-1000

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... highlight= Clerks

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... highlight= Family Guy replaced in as scum.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... highlight= Weasel Mafia.

so, wading through the site crashing every time i tried to search these are, i think, my four most recent scum games (2 minis and 2 large themes).

ZONEACE · Post Post #191 (isolation #26) » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:56 pm

Stop bugging me, I'm hiding from the smoke monster. I'd rather not meet the same fate as Mr. Eko. But on a serious note, I'm not unhappy about the shift i attention to Reckoner. His play today has appeared to be a mishmash of trying to appear town, instead of just BEING town. And in my experience, trying to appear town is suggestive of scum. Yes I haven't posted much over the last few days, and that was intentionally, I felt that I'd made about as much an impact in day 1 as I could and felt that I had also been a distraction and didn't want to distract any more. I thought it would do everyone good if I disappeared for a little bit.

with that said i will

unvote

I'm not yet ready to vote reckoner. I need to look over the hubub again.

ZONEACE · Post Post #202 (isolation #27) » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:48 am

Locke Lamora wrote: I think it was probably sensible for Zoneace to step away from the game for a bit, although having read some meta it seems that his response to the votes was fairly typical of him anyway. I think it's a little convenient that he disappeared just as more votes started to get put on Jason and attention shifted away from him. It makes him a little more scummy in my eyes.

So wait, It's sensible but scummy? So, I did what was best for the town, but clearly that makes me scum????

Could you TRY A LITTLE HARD TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?! Why don't you just set it up so that you look good no matter which way you vote EVERYONE, set up a little thing like you just set up with me, so that no matter what happens, you don't look bad.

ZONEACE · Post Post #215 (isolation #28) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:12 pm

Jason hasnt done anything, i just felt reckoner was the better lynch and wanted to reread before switching.

vote reckoner

fos Jason and LL

ZONEACE · Post Post #256 (isolation #29) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:45 pm

EmpTyger wrote:

Zoneace:
Specifically, what has Reckoner done that’s “trying to appear town” but hasn’t been “being town”?

What i mean is that a townie doesn't have to ACT a certain way to be a townie, but scum have to pretend to be town and Reckoner's actions came across as false to me, like he was trying to do things to look like he was helping but wasn't.

The best example was his bringing up (i think) CDB's wiki entry. It made it look like he was doing something and being helpful, but in reality accomplished nothing.

ZONEACE · Post Post #259 (isolation #30) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:09 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:ZONEACE, I misread the post which prompted me to bring up CDB's wiki entry.

so?

ZONEACE · Post Post #305 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:00 am

who the hell claims by just saying cop and giving no further information?

also. its 7 to lynch yes?

ZONEACE · Post Post #310 (isolation #32) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:21 pm

Can't? Why? because it looks bad to vote for a claimed cop?

ZONEACE · Post Post #315 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:09 pm

without revealing anything Juls, and VP, do you say that because the flavor of your character fits with you role? I feel it does with mine which is why I'm not necessarily buying it.

ZONEACE · Post Post #317 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:27 pm

it breadcrumbed desmond?

link? or post number

ZONEACE · Post Post #321 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:46 pm

VP Baltar wrote:Here is the post I'm talking about Zone. In fairness, Reckoner does come right out and say that its' from Desmond, so it may not be a breadcrumb at all. Just seemed that way to me when I first read it.

In other news, can someone who watched season 5 more recently inform me if the marshall who arrested Kate even makes an appearance in that season. If not, we have caught scum here.

I don't remember him showing up and IMDB confirms that. His last appearance was in Left Behind in season 3.

ZONEACE · Post Post #330 (isolation #36) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:29 pm

and what does Aaron have to do with anything? I she related to anything do yuo ahve any information about him other than you have him?

ZONEACE · Post Post #332 (isolation #37) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:12 pm

hmm ok. Cause your possesion aaron would seem to indicate that you are off the island since Kate doesn't have Aaron when she returns to the island during season 5, she leaves him behind.

ZONEACE · Post Post #397 (isolation #38) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:31 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:
God, I swear people don't even use logic.

It might help you if you wee talking out of both sides of your mouth at every opportunity.

ZONEACE · Post Post #400 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:08 pm

Looking back, something bothers me.

jasonT1981 wrote:So uvoting a claimed cop is suspicious? how?????

Not keeping your vote on a claimed cop who is uncountered is the right thing to do I would think... not scummy or suspicious.

Why do you care what is the "right thing to do" to no be scummy or suspicious. You should be more concerned with doing what is right for the town instead of what is right to make you look good.

Also, maybe I'm missing it, but what is Jason bread crumbing?

ZONEACE · Post Post #421 (isolation #40) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:43 am

the deadline is at -3 days.

you may want to claim.

ZONEACE · Post Post #423 (isolation #41) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:50 am

you're an idiot.

ZONEACE · Post Post #424 (isolation #42) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:51 am

and completely untownly in EVERY WAY.

unvote vote jason

I'm done with this BS. If you aren't going to cooperate, then fine, off to the gallows with you.

ZONEACE · Post Post #434 (isolation #43) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:49 am

jasonT1981 wrote:it would also severely hurt the town

why don't you stop pussy footing and frigging claim. Ok, you're getting on my last damn nerve with this bull. CLAIM or self hammer. make a ******* choice.

ZONEACE · Post Post #437 (isolation #44) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:09 am

jasonT1981 wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:
jasonT1981 wrote:it would also severely hurt the town
why don't you stop pussy footing and frigging claim. Ok, you're getting on my last damn nerve with this bull. CLAIM or self hammer. make a ******* choice.

very anxious for it aint you? I have made a choice... a choice to not claim..

I'm not pussy footing, there is a reason I will not claim. I have bread crumbed, i have told you a claim will hurt the town more than it will help.

HOW WILL IT HURT THE TOWN MORE? IF YOU'RE SO GOD DAMNED IMPORTANT ISN'T IT BETTER WE KNOW AND CHOOSE NOT TO LYNCH YOU, INSTEAD YOU BEING A STUBBORNED BABY TRYING TO SPITE US AND DYING?

ugh, seriously, you just get more and more scummy. You clearly not a protown player.

ZONEACE · Post Post #484 (isolation #45) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:33 am

VP Baltar wrote: @zone-what are your feelings on the dust up I had with emptyger?

I found myself agreeing that emp was merely sniping at arguments from the sideline, which was unhelpful and came across and participating without taking a side.

ZONEACE · Post Post #485 (isolation #46) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:34 am

VP Baltar wrote:I'm flabergasted that anyone could be that incapable of understanding simple logic. Congrats, you win the award for MS biggest VI.

To everyone else, do you think one of reckoner and jason is lying given their claims? I personally think jason is utterly dense and reckoner is lying through his teeth.

I don't believe either of them. but find it unlikely they are in the same group.

ZONEACE · Post Post #518 (isolation #47) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:52 pm

jasonT1981 wrote:
Locke Lamora wrote:So tell us, Jason, what do you think we should do? We're less than 24 hours from the deadline, we shouldn't lynch you because you've claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch Reckoner because he's claimed cop. Any bright ideas?
How about lynching those who want to lynch an uncountered power role?

WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO COUNTER A POWER ROLE CLAIM ON DAY ONE? NO PR WITH ANY BRAINS WOULD COUNTER A SCUM CLAIM DAY 1 AND OUT THEMSELF. THAT'S JUST STUPID.. SO IF WE JUST MOVED ON FROM EVERY UNCOUNTERER POWERCLAIM WE'D LIKELY NEVER LYNCH ANYONE, WHICH IS DISTINCTLY BAD FOR THE TOWN.

ZONEACE · Post Post #520 (isolation #48) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:56 pm

Jason and Reckoner. The play from both of them today I would classify as anti-town and i don't really believe either claim.

ZONEACE · Post Post #527 (isolation #49) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:57 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
jasonT1981 wrote:I see it like this

If I say I can protect the cop... the scum know not to target him and can almost guarantee a night kill elsewhere..

If I say I can not protect the cop then they know they are free to go at him, and the guilty result the cop could hypothetically get in the night on someone (assumning he investigates correctly) will have gone to waste and we will never know.

Does that make sense?
"if i say i can protect the cop, the scum will not target the cop" So there going to hit a VT, or maybe at worst a vig. Or scum will just kill you tonight. no matter who gets killed, in this scenario we get a cop investigation -assuming no roleblocker-

Why wouldn't they just kill the doc?

ZONEACE · Post Post #532 (isolation #50) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:21 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:
canadianbovine wrote:
jasonT1981 wrote:I see it like this

If I say I can protect the cop... the scum know not to target him and can almost guarantee a night kill elsewhere..

If I say I can not protect the cop then they know they are free to go at him, and the guilty result the cop could hypothetically get in the night on someone (assumning he investigates correctly) will have gone to waste and we will never know.

Does that make sense?
"if i say i can protect the cop, the scum will not target the cop" So there going to hit a VT, or maybe at worst a vig. Or scum will just kill
you
tonight. no matter who gets killed, in this scenario we get a cop investigation -assuming no roleblocker-
Why wouldn't they just kill the doc?
that is what i said, "you" was referring to Jason, who last time i checked claimed doctor.

my bad, i didn't read the whole post.

ZONEACE · Post Post #534 (isolation #51) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:51 pm

Santos wrote:Whoa, we're going to lynch RECKONER (aka Kate) to prove if Richard Alpert (Jason) is scum as well?

This is a scum led mafia if I've ever seen one.

FoS: those who are advocating lynching Kate at all

Vote: VP Baltar
for apparently having no problem with lynching one of the most pro town roles ever.

............

fos

for suddenly giving a damn after practically NO participation

i think we just found some scum linking guys.

ZONEACE · Post Post #536 (isolation #52) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:55 pm

Santos wrote:How is saying Kate is pro town indicative of myself being scum?

Have you watched the show or researched it?

ALIGNMENT ON THE SHOW IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT IN THE GAME.

and even if it were, the mafia would have been given safe claims, so someone being a "good guy" on Lost, doesn't mean they will be a "good guy" here.

ZONEACE · Post Post #538 (isolation #53) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:00 pm

Santos wrote:
ALIGNMENT ON THE SHOW IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT IN THE GAME.
This would just be a blatant bastardization of the game to fans who joined this game :p, but you are right.

that's how theme games work.

ZONEACE · Post Post #540 (isolation #54) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:11 pm

Santos wrote:Also, if we're to follow the currently proposed route of lynching RECKONER today, then the scum have it easy taking out the 'claimed doctor'.

IMO, if Jason lives tonight, then it only casts more suspicion on himself. Right now he is in a lose/lose situation with only the possibility of protecting someone like the cop. I vote we leave him alone for today as well as the claimed cop and go after someone else.

ZONEACE, would you play this entire game believing scum have safe claims?

I will play this game believing show alignment has no bearing on game alignment.

ZONEACE · Post Post #544 (isolation #55) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:34 pm

Who you claim would have little to effect on me. How the claim sounds and fits in wih my understanding of the game is what is important. If you claimed Ben Linus I wouldn't auro vote you for claiming a "bad guy" I'd consider how it fit with everything else. How you play and interact has more Affect on my vote than what character you claim so I'm not going to start arguing semantics and saying how I'd respond you hypothetically claimed sun.

ZONEACE · Post Post #550 (isolation #56) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:34 pm

Locke Lamora wrote:Oh, and I'm with Zoneace, people should stop making assumptions about what the logical flavour for each character might be. Jason mentioned a game earlier he was in with Ben as the town cop. Read Family Guy Mafia for another good example of this - you'd never have picked out the characters who were in the mafia. Stewie was town, Bonnie was mafia, etc. Stop assuming that characters you think are pro-town are going to be town.

ooh, i replaced in as mafia bonnie in that game. and got a scummy nomination.

ZONEACE · Post Post #562 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:33 pm

Everyone on that Jebus wagon gets an

fos

That looked like an organized last minute effort to not lynch reckoner, and anything organized like that in mafia is generally bad.

also,

fos me

for not showing up to vote reckoner. I'm sorry guys, between work and my messed up sleep schedule I missed the end of the day.

ZONEACE · Post Post #566 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:20 pm

one made of bull****, like yours

vote reckoner

ZONEACE · Post Post #577 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:29 pm

its so cute when the scum turn on each other.

ZONEACE · Post Post #579 (isolation #60) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:43 pm

reckoner and emp.

ZONEACE · Post Post #581 (isolation #61) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:16 pm

Santos wrote:I'm still confused as to how you 'know' they're a scum team. RECKONER claimed Kate which is one of the most town roles in the show.

Does this mean we should have EmpTyger claim a character to see if your suspicions can be corroborated?

Sorry if I am appearing dense in understanding your 'point' or lack thereof, but I'm pretty tired.

ugh, how many times do i have to say that just because a character is good in the show doesn't mean they'll be good in the game. and vice versa. ive played enough theme games to know that character alignment is not proof of player alignment.

ZONEACE · Post Post #583 (isolation #62) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:06 pm

no, see, you're stating that because reckoner claimed kate he is town, as if it is fact. but you're saying my not trusting the claim because I have experience in games like this is just my opinion. Why do you think its a FACT that reckoner is town for claiming kate? There's NO POSSIBILITY THAT SCUM WOULD CLAIM KATE?

I could claim to be Juliet. would you just trust me if I claimed Juliet? Because I say I'm Juliet it must be true?

its just bad play on your part to blindly trust whatever someone says. Really bad play.

ZONEACE · Post Post #585 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:17 am

xRECKONERx wrote:EBWOP:

I totally forgot my target. I investigated VP Baltar. And I think given the characters, a thief could be perfect.

ZONEACE · Post Post #593 (isolation #64) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:37 am

unvote

vp's right, while reck is CLEARLY the lynch today, we have time to gather more info.

ZONEACE · Post Post #594 (isolation #65) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:38 am

go go gadget simulpost

ZONEACE · Post Post #599 (isolation #66) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:16 am

xRECKONERx wrote:. My #2 suspect was Emp, but I thought knowing VP's alignment would be more helpful to town.

why? why is knowing VP's alignment better than finding out the alignment of your first or second suspect???

your story just gets more and more ridiculous.

ZONEACE · Post Post #604 (isolation #67) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:59 am

So wait, we;ve gone from you being rolethiefed (and subtly trying to blame VP for it) to you were "obviously" roleblocked?

yeah, to hell with this,

vote reckoner

, I'm done with your bull and your ever changing stories.

ZONEACE · Post Post #609 (isolation #68) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:17 am

i think VP was talking about you original Role PM.

ZONEACE · Post Post #612 (isolation #69) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:34 am

Back to something from earlier while we wait for Reckoner

VP Baltar wrote:I also have a feeling that I'm going to be dead tonight.

Why do you believe this?

ZONEACE · Post Post #620 (isolation #70) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:17 am

Santos wrote:I had two reasons why RECKONER is town. You folks shouldn't lambaste me with criticism so fast to say my arguments are fubar.

you have no reason to think reck is town.

ZONEACE · Post Post #633 (isolation #71) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:49 pm

EmpTyger wrote:
If VP is the only one here besides me who began off-island and still is off-island, we can confirm each other as innocent.

how's that now?

Zoneace:
If it’s you, you don’t need to say anything unless someone else is lying.

If it's me what? That's started off the island and is still off the island? Also, how the hell would I know someone else is lying unless they try to claim my role or character?

I think i need this all repeated, but slower, and with smaller words cause most of that post read like colloquial spanish to me.

ZONEACE · Post Post #634 (isolation #72) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:50 pm

TAG FIX PLEASE MOD

ZONEACE · Post Post #636 (isolation #73) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:57 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote:
Santos wrote:
curious wrote:might be a silly question, please tell me your definition of flavor.
For this game, half of everything I've been defending based on the theme of this game. The other half is what I would bet the rest of this game on - knowing RECKONER is town not based on anything else than knowing what's gone on so far: with what RECK has said and what others/myself have said/know.
you know I still am confused....you say you KNOW reck is town and it is not based on flavor. but then you say this I am not sure. it also sounds like you dont KNOW, but rather THINK he is town...am I correct in this?

is anyone else confused with what he is saying?

yes. but i'd given up trying to explain to him why he's wrong cause he clearly had no intention of listening.

ZONEACE · Post Post #638 (isolation #74) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:16 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:People being off-island doesn't prove anything. In fact, I was thinking the Losties are on-island and the scum are off-island. I don't see how being off-island confirms anything though.

.........

you were off island. so are you admitting to being scum now?

ZONEACE · Post Post #642 (isolation #75) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:49 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
reckoner is tripping on his words. a lot.

No, Reckoner is, as Chris Rock would say, failing to stick with his lie.

ZONEACE · Post Post #650 (isolation #76) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:47 am

No one is misconstruing your words rockoner, your words are contradicting themselves. you're telling 4 or 5 different stories that are all constantly changing.

please go die.

ZONEACE · Post Post #656 (isolation #77) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:01 pm

Juls wrote: Who is simple. Sawyer is a thief on the show. He is a conartist. Why wouldn't this be extremely obvious to you? Second, Sawyer would have reason to bring Kate back to the island. It's a crazy little thing called love.

Except in Season 5 Sawyer is NOT a theif anymore, he's still kind of a con-artist, but he only starts the con as a means to survive when he, juliet, miles and Hurley wind up needing to live in Dharmaville. And he doesn't steal, he actually takes over as head of security.

is he dead yet?

if not, VP get off the cow and lets kill us a lying scum.

ZONEACE · Post Post #658 (isolation #78) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:07 pm

Haven't we gained more info? We've had Bovine and Santos put themselves out there as prime targets. I don't see what more we can get from today besides more lying from Reckoner.

It's been over 30 hours since i made the suggestion of waiting and A LOT has happened since then.

ZONEACE · Post Post #659 (isolation #79) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:11 pm

I'm really just getting tired and watching Reckoner lie and Santos defend him for no reason. I feel we've gotten to a point where we've caught one scum, and two more viable targets for tomorrow. I'd call that a pretty solid day for the town.

I'd like to ask you, what more do you think we can glean from today VP? When I suggested we take a little time it was in the hopes of more possible scum jump out as targets so that, like today, we start the next day with a decent target

ZONEACE · Post Post #663 (isolation #80) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:48 pm

I get your point about the questions VP, but I'm not thrilled with the questions, they bother me. The changing of the game as a result of them could easily be detrimental. With the way the show is, I could see the questions turning someone into a traitor or something. and that's something we really can't afford.

CANDIAN, RECKONER IS NOT THE COP.

even if he WAS the cop, he's said that not anymore, so we won't be lynching a cop. so stop using that as a defense.

AND AS FOR HIM BEING THE COP BEFORE . THE REASON WE WANT TO LYNCH HIM IS WE DON'T BELIEVE THE CLAIM.

ZONEACE · Post Post #665 (isolation #81) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:01 pm

VP Baltar wrote:
canadainbovine wrote: I say 4 because i think we've assumed that there is a serial killer, unless this game has weird post day 1 flavor kills? didnt think so.
It could very well be a vig. LL wasn't exactly beyond suspicion yesterday.

he would have been my number 2 today, behind reckoner, had he lived

canadianbovine wrote:I'm not ready to take that risk by voting for the one person who is currently cop.
HE'S NOT A GOD DAMNED COP. [/zoneace impersonation]

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

ZONEACE · Post Post #669 (isolation #82) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:10 pm

ugh, bovine is being so unhelpful and just argumentative for no reason other that "he knows" reck is town because he claimed kate and cop.

TELL US WHY YOU KNOW HE IS TOWN. YOU STILL HAVEN'T EXPLAINED IT.

ZONEACE · Post Post #672 (isolation #83) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:21 pm

oh right, that was santos wasn't it, you still aren't being helpful though and are just being argumentative when it comes to reckoner.

ZONEACE · Post Post #674 (isolation #84) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:15 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:
Juls wrote:catching up...

xRECKONERx 565 wrote:I got "no result". In addition, I am told that now I am back on the island (?) so I have no need to investigate now and am now vanilla.
That's pretty lame. It's lame of you if you are lying cause it is a bad lie. And it's lame if you are telling the truth because that sucks. No results...Losing ability....It's just all too convenient.
Or, this is exactly what the scum had planned.

go go gadget WIFOM

Juls wrote:
Emptyger 595 wrote:And it’s not because a thief targeted him with an ability, for a couple reasons, most significantly because you’re saying it happened to both of you.
The difference is Santos isn't claiming to lose abilities. He is claiming to only be back on the island. Herein lies my problem. They both may very well be back on the island. That doesn't mean one or both are town and it doesn't mean one or both are scum.
Then what significance does being back on the island have? It must active/deactivate powers or something (I.E., Locke paralyzed off-island, healed on-island, etc.)

GO GO GADGET WIFOM

Juls wrote:
xRECKONERx 598 wrote:My #2 suspect was Emp, but I thought knowing VP's alignment would be more helpful to town.
Huh? OK...that seems counterintuitive to me. You saw Emp as scummy. I can't deliniate if you saw VP as scum or not but regardless...Say VP pops up town. What does that tell us about Emp? Have you never seen two town go at each other? The only way your investigation of VP would make sense is if he flipped scum. But you saw Emp as more scummy. So wouldn't finding out Emp's alignment be more useful?
No, because VP was giving off the creeping scum vibe, whereas to me, Emp was being obviously scummy. I figured if I could either clear/confirm VPB as guilty, then it'd help me tremendously in who to follow/listen to D2. I basically thought VPB was playing better than Emp, regardless of alignment.

so you just thought you'd waste your ability on the better player?

ZONEACE · Post Post #676 (isolation #85) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:35 pm

umm yes it is WIFOM, especially when you start trying to use it to say who may or may not be scum.

seriously yall, can we lynch this waste of my time already?

ZONEACE · Post Post #678 (isolation #86) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:47 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:oh ho ho I'm a waste of ZONEACE's time.

And the scummy for most douchebaggy player of the year goes to ZONEACE. Please, take your perma-popped collar polo and Sperrys as your reward.

......... um, thanks, I'll be sure to use them as I suffocate you to get rid of my head ache.

ZONEACE · Post Post #680 (isolation #87) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:50 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:Also: I believe I was speculating that being on-island/off-island affects people's abilities to use their powers, as I don't believe I was the only one who received a "you may change your role" warning in their PM.

you speculated about both it affecting abilities and it being an indicator of scum.

ZONEACE · Post Post #682 (isolation #88) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:08 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:First indicator of scum. Didn't know if there was any real logic behind, and I never PUSHED the issue. I just said "I originally thought it may be an indicator of scum".

Then, a few posts ago, the one THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I was talking about it affecting abilities.

you make no mention of first indicator.. you say being OFF-island doesn't prove anything, that you actually think losties are on island and scum are off.

ZONEACE · Post Post #685 (isolation #89) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:21 pm

Santos wrote:I'm leaning more towards 'know' as opposed to 'think', everyone because losing an ability seems
highly
probable at this point.

you're the lynch tomorrow, just fyi.

ZONEACE · Post Post #692 (isolation #90) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:50 pm

Santos wrote:are you rolefishing?

are you that stupid?

how is that rolefishing?????

seriously, i guarantee you will be lynched tomorrow.

ZONEACE · Post Post #710 (isolation #91) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:04 am

xRECKONERx wrote:
So far the only reason I'm being lynched today is because what happened to me "doesn't make sense" or is "too convenient". ZONEACE continued to hammer on me, even after I had point-by-point explained (and discredited) everything he said. Not to mention his douchebaggery makes it harder to deal with.
.

EPIC LULZZZZZZZ

ZONEACE · Post Post #713 (isolation #92) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:08 am

VP Baltar wrote:I would like to hear from the people currently voting reckoner if they are more inclined to believe him now that Santos has allegedly vouched for him.

Why the christ would I believe santos when he's my number 2?

Especially when he's vouching for my number 1.

ZONEACE · Post Post #728 (isolation #93) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:15 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:
Juls wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:
Juls wrote:can you tell us if you were roleblocked too?
What is the point of this question? If you don't have one other than you think it helps reckoner, then it seems like rolefishing to me.
I guess you're right. I was trying to determine if mafia has a roleblocker or was it a result of "coming to the island". The reason I ask is because I think that town would not have roleblocked Reckoner last night since he claimed cop. It would have to be scum.
I don't think the game would have anything built in that blocks a result. I'm pretty sure I got roleblocked, AND I got "moved to the island" and lost my investigative ability.

so you got blocked, transported and thieved????

why the f*** should we believe that ridiculous series of events?????

ZONEACE · Post Post #730 (isolation #94) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:54 pm

WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE SANTOS????

ZONEACE · Post Post #734 (isolation #95) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:58 pm

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ZONEACE · Post Post #753 (isolation #96) » Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:16 pm

I think there's a lot of stuff that people are missing cause this game makes absolutely no sense anymore. A day and a half ago everyhthing was fine and dandy, then i think everyone went retarded and suddenly thinks that Santos is confirmed and can in turn confirm other people despite the fact that he has been, without giving any reason or explanation, defending, aggressively, the scummiest player all game.

ZONEACE · Post Post #758 (isolation #97) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:58 am

reck has 2 votes now?

No, sorry fixed.

ZONEACE · Post Post #761 (isolation #98) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:15 am

canadianbovine wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:More votes on canadianbovine please.
for what purpose?

my guess would be to lynch you.

ZONEACE · Post Post #763 (isolation #99) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:36 am

xRECKONERx wrote:8/13 11:53AM: I get the PM with my question and promptly respond.

8/25 6:06PM: I get the PM informing me that I got no result, and am now back on the island and vanilla'd.

That's literally the sequence of events.

and you believed it was because of your question that you were back on the island? instead of maybe someone else? cause thats a big gap for an effect from your question.

ZONEACE · Post Post #766 (isolation #100) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:50 am

Juls wrote:
ZONEACE...I was initially leaning town. He hasn't necessarily done anything scummy but at the same time he hasn't necessarily done anything townie since his massive blowup. I still would like to see the game someone claimed (CKD maybe?) that he blew up like that as scum.

yeah, i haven't done anything BUT HUNT SCUM ALL GAME. oh and hey, look i found 2 of them, reckoner and santos.

ZONEACE · Post Post #771 (isolation #101) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:17 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote:
VP, who would say did the pushing?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I think it's pretty clear I was the one pushing the hasty lynch on Reck, and I still support such action. he has told about 4 different stories today, and NONE OF THEM have made any sense, or seemed to relate to one another. I think he is the lynch today, and that we gain a SIGNIFICANT amount of information if we lynch him. I believe him to scum, but, on the off chance he isn't we gain confirmation of his role being lost, which would then give us a solid town prospect in santos, and would bump VP up in the townliness meter. If he's not town, HEY HE'S SCUM AND OH LOOK, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN SANTOS.

While i wouldn't OPPOSE a bovine lynch, it's not my first choice. but given how everyone has reacted to Reckoner's latest story (which one is that now? 5? 6?) it seems unlikely I will get my way today.

ZONEACE · Post Post #772 (isolation #102) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:19 pm

Also, I think, it may be helpful, just so we get a clear idea at where everyone stands, as to the questions, for us to state whether we have, or have not received one.

we know Reck and VP have.

CKD and I haven't.

I don't remember about anyone else, so, folks, who's received a question, and who's still waiting?

ZONEACE · Post Post #776 (isolation #103) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:58 pm

canadianbovine wrote:alright now then, there are 3 votes on me currently? not 100% on that.

lynching me.... the last time we needed to lynch someone, we chose the wrong person because they didnt contribute or post a lot. Deja vu?

i claim at L-1? dont quicklynch me (to those who are posting here when i have school[im talking about Zoneace, VP, Reckoner.])

or if you're worried you could just claim now.

ZONEACE · Post Post #778 (isolation #104) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:28 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:
canadianbovine wrote:alright now then, there are 3 votes on me currently? not 100% on that.

lynching me.... the last time we needed to lynch someone, we chose the wrong person because they didnt contribute or post a lot. Deja vu?

i claim at L-1? dont quicklynch me (to those who are posting here when i have school[im talking about Zoneace, VP, Reckoner.])
or if you're worried you could just claim now.
rolefishing?

...........

is everyone retarded ME TELLING YOU CLAIM IS NOT ROLEFISHING, ITS BLATANTLY TELLING YOU TO CLAIM.

that's the second time this game i've been accused of rolefishing at a time when i CLEARLY wasn't role fishing.

you know what, i'll aid in your decision.

unvote vote canadian bovine

are you motivated now?

is that rolefishing on mypart to put you at -1?

ZONEACE · Post Post #782 (isolation #105) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:49 pm

EmpTyger wrote:

Zoneace:
We don’t need to lynch Reckoner to gain that significant information. We’ll know it today, as soon as we get another question or 2.

...... how so??

theres no evidence that everyone who answers a questions loses their powers so how will a couple more questions give us the same info we could get about alignments that we could get from lynching reckoner.

ZONEACE · Post Post #788 (isolation #106) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:35 am

Juls wrote: As far as my opinion of CB having changed due to his nameclaim, not really. I don't understand ZONEACE's flip considering how hard he has been pushing Santos/Reckoner.

It's been made clear by recent events that lynching either of them today is a lost cause. I also don't have good feeling about CB (which i have expressed), so, he's the next logical step.

I'll continue my push for Reck and Santos, and likely revote Reck tomorrow, but for now my vote is of more use on CB.

ZONEACE · Post Post #806 (isolation #107) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:10 pm

Santos wrote:Also, I have an enormously favorable argument to present
in favor
of ZONEACE's position, but I would like to hear from those 'neutral' folks, please.

wait, you have an argument enormously favorable to my position, but you don't agree with my position.???

ZONEACE · Post Post #810 (isolation #108) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:31 pm

why i do get the feeling Santos is setting me up to be the lynch target some how?

If he hadn't already convinced most of you not to lynch reckoner (despite him being the scummiest player I've seen in a mafia game in A LONG TIME) or himself, despite blindly defending reckoner all game i wouldn't be paranoid, but clearly, santos is some sort of magician when it comes to swaying people.

ZONEACE · Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:05 pm

Porochaz wrote:Names will be sorted and the day.

whosit now?

ZONEACE · Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:26 pm

ahhhh ok. i was gonna mention the ehader, but kept forgetting.

ZONEACE · Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:39 am

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of coruse you need to friggin explain.

ZONEACE · Post Post #856 (isolation #112) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:44 am

here is the translation:
"He appears she which likes her to be knowing"

Naturally it's nonsense.

I ran it through 4 translators and that's what i was from 3 of them.

the other one had it as:
"He took her and her, who is known to have expected"

still nonsense.

ZONEACE · Post Post #857 (isolation #113) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:47 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:On the jebus lynch was CB, EMp, and reck. I would bet money that 1 (or more) scum was on this lynch...call it gut

I said this at the beginning of today. That entire wagon looked premeditated. except for emp (who was on jebus for a long time) it was like the wagon was specifically an attempt to derail the reckoner wagon yesterday.

ZONEACE · Post Post #868 (isolation #114) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:38 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
look at who is protecting emptyger.

FOS: Zoneace

.................... I'm not protecting Emp. but you go back and look, EMP was voting Jebus long before anyone else and wasn't part of the wagon hop that prevented Reck from being hanged.

SO NICE TRY WITH ATTEMPTING TO LINK ME AND EMP BUT ITS FULL OF FAIL, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DO.

I'm now more than ok with a CB lynch today. He is clearly full of crap and just trying to throw suspicion and everyone he can and hoping it sticks to someone so he can escape death.

ZONEACE · Post Post #871 (isolation #115) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:55 pm

So you're not going to dispute me about the fact that you're full of crap and trying to get suspicion to stick on anyone that's not you?

WEll, that's a gutsy play CB, lets see how it works out for you.

ZONEACE · Post Post #874 (isolation #116) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:00 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:So you're not going to dispute me about the fact that you're full of crap and trying to get suspicion to stick on anyone that's not you?

WEll, that's a gutsy play CB, lets see how it works out for you.
you mean like you?

why even worry about me anymore, im practically chopped liver. lets see how losing another 3 town members tonight works out for the town?

3 town members tongiht? there were only 2 kills last night, did you just let slip something?

Also, the last person that was "chopped liver" is still alive, so I think i'll continue to worry about you, since the town seems unwilling to lynch scummy players.

ZONEACE · Post Post #878 (isolation #117) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:06 pm

not nearly enough

and I still don't get why you posted a korean quote from Jin, if you're Juliet. posting a quote like that is clearly something a person does if they want to breadcrumb something, but why breadcrumb a role you arent.

ZONEACE · Post Post #881 (isolation #118) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:15 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:not nearly enough

and I still don't get why you posted a korean quote from Jin, if you're Juliet. posting a quote like that is clearly something a person does if they want to breadcrumb something, but why breadcrumb a role you arent.
i was having fun with the game, that was in the point of RVS.

again. Reckoner breadcrumbing desmond...yet no ones asking why he isnt desmond. I breadcrumbed Jin...so everyone assumes im Jin? What role could jin possibly fit?

what role could juliet possibly fit?

ZONEACE · Post Post #882 (isolation #119) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:16 pm

asking questions like that it pointless cause Juliet is a lot more suited to be the doctor than alpert, but hey, alpert was the doctor, so.

ZONEACE · Post Post #883 (isolation #120) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:17 pm

moar death on CB please.

ZONEACE · Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:10 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:I thought it was a global rule to not only you can NOT talk about ongoing games, but you couldnt link to them either?

With the search function being off, linking is the only way we have of finding them.

ZONEACE · Post Post #915 (isolation #122) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 pm

canadianbovine wrote:psst.

im still
Juliet Burke the Vanilla Townie

psst, you're still lying.

ZONEACE · Post Post #917 (isolation #123) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:12 pm

canadianbovine wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:
canadianbovine wrote:psst.

im still
Juliet Burke the Vanilla Townie
psst, you're still lying.
canadiscum would hammer himself right now.

canaditown, however, will not hammer because his lynch will hurt the town.

GOGO GADGET GIANT WIFOM ROBOT

ZONEACE · Post Post #920 (isolation #124) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:33 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:WTF SLICEY

.....

ZONEACE · Post Post #949 (isolation #125) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:17 pm

Santos wrote:Okay, I am here and ready to present what I was thinking.

how bout instead of telling us you're ready to present, you just present.

ZONEACE · Post Post #951 (isolation #126) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:31 pm

and we're still waiting.

ZONEACE · Post Post #956 (isolation #127) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:47 pm

Whats an "iron townie"?

Also, Reckoner being the first to mention "lost ability" means NOTHING, he mentioned, AFTER he was a prime suspect for his scummy play and using his "cop" ability to target someone THAT HE ADMITS WASN'T ONE OF HIS TOP TWO SUSPECTS. So after wasting his cop ability, he now, conveniently doesn't have it anymore to clear himself, and we just have to trust he was telling the truth.

Also, EVERYONE (as far as I can see) was told that their roles/abilities COULD change, I know I was, so Reckoner wouldn't have been going out on a limb in saying he lost the cop ability to protect himself from having to continue the lie, he could just go, "hey guys, sorry, its gone now" and we would believe it, because we were told it COULD happen.

Also, Locke, in S5, wasn't a good guy, he wasn't even Locke, he was dead and just the guy that was sitting with Jacob on the beach, in disguise. So, that argument means nothing since either the person that was the doctor was actually a character that technically wasn't even in S5 (which i find unlikely, since this is S5 Lost mafia) OR an apparently evil entity created a disguise and pretended to be Locke.

As for the questions, I STILL haven't received one and I'm waiting for everyone to respond and tell us whether or not they have so we can have a comprehensive list of WHO has been asked a question and who hasn't.

ZONEACE · Post Post #959 (isolation #128) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:04 pm

what fit? I must have missed it.

ZONEACE · Post Post #962 (isolation #129) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:05 pm

Santos wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:As for the questions, I STILL haven't received one and I'm waiting for everyone to respond and tell us whether or not they have so we can have a comprehensive list of WHO has been asked a question and who hasn't.
But they could lie in divulging something like that to you.

So are you going to give us a name?

.........................

I've already said I don't think name claiming gives us anything.

AND THEY COULD LIE ABOUT ANYTHING!!!!!!!!! are you intentionally trying to be as unhelpful and small minded as possible?

ZONEACE · Post Post #968 (isolation #130) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:14 pm

Santos wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:Also, Reckoner being the first to mention "lost ability" means NOTHING, he mentioned, AFTER he was a prime suspect for his scummy play and using his "cop" ability to target someone THAT HE ADMITS WASN'T ONE OF HIS TOP TWO SUSPECTS. So after wasting his cop ability, he now, conveniently doesn't have it anymore to clear himself, and we just have to trust he was telling the truth.
Yes, I know. I would have happily placed a vote on him except my role had changed.

Someone said we all should know that our roles can change? Where does it state that?

My role PM said that there was the possibility that my role may change throughout the game, that coupled with the fact that we were TOLD the questions would have an affect on the game tells me that I wasn't the only one that was told this.

ZONEACE · Post Post #974 (isolation #131) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:18 pm

Santos wrote:I will not drop the idea that I would play the rest of this game based on the events that happen. Everything else surrounding that is hearsay until we know more.

Juls wrote:Our remaining power roles maybe?
ORLY?

Do you realize what you have just said?

Please, explain what Juls has said.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST SANTOS. stop being unhelpful and stand offish about it.

ZONEACE · Post Post #976 (isolation #132) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:18 pm

Santos wrote:Ah yes, mine does say that as well.

........................................................................................

So now it does? But before, you were unsure?

ZONEACE · Post Post #981 (isolation #133) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:25 pm

Santos wrote:
Juls wrote:I still dont see how Kate is a obv pro-town role.
She isn't. I supported why that was not plausible enough of a reason to believe RECKONER is town.
I don't see how claiming on D2 does ANYONE but help the scum know who to kill.

Santos wrote:I still don't see what is harmful about name claiming today, Juls, as apparently we have a dead doctor and an outed 'claimed' cop at the mafia's grasp. So what is there to hide?

Juls wrote:Our remaining power roles maybe?
Juls, are you insinuating that claimed names such as Jack will instantly have the mafia night kill that player just because 'Jack' is a doctor in the show? Or are you insinuating that the mafia, regardless of anything discussed today at how stupid it would be to base a claim on alignment, would ignore all that and night kill someone based on a claimed name?

I think I found scum...

Unvote

Vote: Juls

there is absolutely NO logic in any of your posts or lines of thought.

ZONEACE · Post Post #983 (isolation #134) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:28 pm

Santos wrote:Dude, she just told us she will not claim a name because she is scared that our remaining power roles will be outed.

I am not asking for roles, just names. She thinks, apparently by name claiming, that the mafia team will now target players based on name claims irregardless of anything we've discussed today.

How does that not make sense?

HOW DOES THAT MAKE HER SCUM??????

thats what you aren't explaining.

ZONEACE · Post Post #987 (isolation #135) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:31 pm

Santos wrote:She does not believe that name claims indicate alignment, however, she believes that name claims will out our remaining power roles.

Basically, she is insinuating that someone who claims Jack will now be a target for the mafia because he is a power role, or someone who claims Sayid will be a target for the mafia becaus he will most likely be a vigilante.

still not seeing the scum slip.

especially after you "forgot" your role PM said that your role could change throughout the game.

ZONEACE · Post Post #990 (isolation #136) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:36 pm

Santos wrote:
Juls wrote:In your big post that started this fast post craziness you said you wanted FULL claims
I will remove my vote if you can provide wehre I said full claim, as opposed to name claim.

uh, where you full claimed, listed other peoples claims and insinuated others should follow.

ZONEACE · Post Post #991 (isolation #137) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:37 pm

Santos wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:still not seeing the scum slip.
First scummy slip was taking what I wanted and saying that name claims will out our remaining power roles. Claimed names
WILL NOT DO THIS
as its been argued vehemently that claimed names will not prodive innocence of alignment!
And, she just said another one by thinking I was asking for FULL claims as opposed to name claims.

i agree with her.

so i don't see a scum slip.

ZONEACE · Post Post #994 (isolation #138) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:39 pm

Santos wrote:
ZONEACE wrote:i agree with her.

so i don't see a scum slip.
Christ, someone else reading has to see what I mean.

no because she's right, you said in your post both taht you wanted name claims and full claims.

ZONEACE · Post Post #997 (isolation #139) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:41 pm

You said

"i'll go first"

then you role claimed, and listed all the other claims that have been made.

you going first clearly indicates you wanted someone else to follow in the role claiming.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:43 pm

YOU SAID YOU'D GO FIRST AND PROCEEDED TO ROLE CLAIM!!!!!!!!! What else am I to take from "I'll go first" other than, you want other people to do the same???????

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:46 pm

Santos wrote:
Juls wrote:The BOLD is what made me think you wanted full claims. What's missing from that? YOUR NAME CLAIM! So that is what told me you wanted full claims.
LOL, you're still assuming I asked for them when I clearly did not.

I withheld my name because now I'm going to prove to you that claiming names is not going to help the scum:

Sun.

unvote vote santos

this all seems like a massive scum collapse.

First with buddying, then a slip with the role PM, and now claiming to be "misunderstood" when people read what they said how any sane person would read it.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:54 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote: now Juls name claim is interesting....wasnt Jin stuck on the island with Sawyer and Juliet?

Yes, eventually he found Kate/Sawyer/Faraday after washing ashore (during the time jumps) with the French crew and Rousseau.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:56 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote:also, in season 5..wasnt hurley on the island too?....but here Hurley is a bus driver.....that is hardly vanilla....interesting.

Started off, returned on Ajira Flight 316 with Jack, Kate etc.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:56 pm

ZONEACE wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote: now Juls name claim is interesting....wasnt Jin stuck on the island with Sawyer and Juliet?
Yes, eventually he found Kate/Sawyer/Faraday after washing ashore (during the time jumps) with the French crew and Rousseau.

kate=juliet

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:03 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote: what I am saying is that being on the island kills powers....starting on the island like sawyer and juliet starts you off as vanilla....

...........says who?

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:05 pm

CKD didn't seem to be concluding about "particular players" but the game as a whole. And I've seen NO indication that starting on the island makes you devoid of powers?

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:06 pm

Alpert, Doctor. Islander.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:08 pm

Other roles that were on the island before they weren't (that could be in this game) Faraday, Miles, Charlotte, Young Ben. (thats just off the top of my head.)

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:09 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote:that is a good point...but he was an "other"...

you know this is all based on fucking flavor..so i dont know..I am going with what I know..started on the island..dont have a power...never had a power.

BUT HE WAS A TOWNIE. it doesn't matte if he was an other, starting on the island is not indicative of starting vanilla.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:10 pm

no, no i wont.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:11 pm

What is the purpose. I believe it is not indicative of alignment. and as such, there is nothing to gain from it.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:13 pm

Santos wrote:Wit holding information is anti-town. Agree or disagree?

So, you think everyone should just full claim day one so that there is no withholding of information? how would day one mass full claims be pro town?

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:17 pm

Santos wrote:Straw man, ftw? Did I finally get one?

'Full'? Provide where please?

dude, you strawmanned me first, and if that's how you're going to play it, That's how I'll play it.

you said that withholding information was anti-town. I took your argument and used the most extreme example i could find to prove that it was FALSE.

thanks for playing, but YOU LOSE.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:22 pm

no, I've made my case.

your blind defense of Reck.

and basically everything you've done today.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:23 pm

Santos wrote:Also, name claims are not indicative of alignment, so what is it going to hurt?

I'm not name claiming.

no matter how many times you try to tell me to, I'm not doing it. So just stop. you're not going to be able to goad and needle me into it like Juls.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:25 pm

that's still not going to get me to name claim.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:27 pm

Santos wrote:Juls is the one who actually got the better part of me with that claim. You however, not so much, especially when i start agreeing with you in some cases. You're very anti-Santos for nothing indicatively scummy. Or do you have something?

your entire breakdown today.

i've explained.

buddying up yesterday. and your meltdown today with the name claims, and role claims.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:30 pm

Santos wrote:As much as i want to vote ZONE because we have a pissing match going on, at least we both agree that CB should die today. Thoughts?

I'm not sure that's a priority anymore, not with your little dog and pony show.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:32 pm

Santos wrote:Then there is no pleasing you...how r u with sexual advances?

Are you a redhead?

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:37 pm

Santos wrote:natural? or does that matter?

Natural

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:42 pm

Given everything I've said in the game, I wouldn't be surprised. I still won't be name claiming.

ZONEACE · Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:55 pm

Santos wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb and ask what do you all think about lynching a claimed miller who hasnt provided a name? I mean, if we're not going to lynch someone based on flavor, play style, then why not on an actual claim, for validity purposes?

VP is the only player I'm felt sure about this entire game, and him claiming to have turned into a miller isn't enough to change that.

ZONEACE · Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:14 am

WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF HE WAS AN OTHER????????????????????? You point is moot because he was on the island and had a power, stop trying to claim flavor is FACT. you know who doesn't fit with that LOCKE! He wasn't even Locke last season, he was an evil entity using Lockes body, but he was a townie. OH LOOK, SHOW FLAVOR MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ZOMG YOU'RE SO WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZONEACE · Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:53 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:not a pissing contest buddy. this is the game...I think I have nailed you as scum. you want everybody to think that you believe I am scum....but you are not willing to back up your suggestions when even a vote.

that leads me to believe you really dont think i am scum. if that is true..why are suggesting I am?

come on pal, you so sure I am scum? take the wager..put up or shut up. I am vanilla, this is the best way I can help the town. take the wager. I am not going to go away with this.

this post is completely childish and not helpful.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:55 am

As much as Santos' behavior over the last 2 days has really screamed scum, I think CB is the more efficient lynch today. He's appeared to be scum, and we get good interactions information after he flips.

so

unvote vote CanadianBovine

That's 4 votes and puts him at -1

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:03 am

VP Baltar wrote:I would like to wait for this:

mod wrote:Question going out
to be resolved before the hammer falls. Let's wait a day or two.

woops, good point

unvote

sorry.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:47 am

I haven't received either of the questions today.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:24 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:are you fucking serious?

I get the sense it was a half joke.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:29 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:way to ingore the questions.

can we please lynch VP today?

WHERE DO I STAND ON YOUR LIST?

IF I AM SCUM WHY NOT TAKE MY WAGER? QUIT IGNORING AND AVOIDING THE QUESTION!

you know what...

at this point, I am so certian that I am right...

I will up the wager...lynch VP today...if I am wrong, vote my ass tomorrow...hell, I promise I will place the first vote on myself.

I completely called your ass out scum.

GROW UP.

this pissing contest you insist on having is not helping a god damned thing, its merely serving as a pathetic (and obviously intentionally) distraction to keep us from lynching bovine. I've played with you before CKD and you don't do this, at least not that I've seen. You're really climbing my list quickly with this sort of "wager".

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:52 am

xRECKONERx wrote:...how is it a wager, anyway?

He's asking VP to bet his life on it. So that if we lynch CKD, VP agrees to be lynched tomorrow.

of course, he's doing this when he's in NO danger of being lynched, and Bovine is. It's pretty clear he wants to stop the bovine lynch, and this is his chosen method.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:59 am

xRECKONERx wrote:Actually, I think he's asking for us to take the wager of lynching VP today and if he's not scum, lynching CKD tomorrow. It would appear that he's trying to avoid a CB lynch. I wonder why? What makes CB the "most important scum"?

no, he wasnt. read his posts.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:59 am

ps, funny how you had no clue what the wager was then suddenly, in your next post tried to contradict what i said about thew ager.

you still aren't off the radar reck. FAR from it.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:28 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:VP, is reck not paying attention....is is lynchable not paying attention?

ZA, it is helping...I am showing you how scummy VP is. FOr example, he wants to push that I a scummy because I am not paying attention..but two other people do sort of the same thing..and he ignores. Also, look how the more I press, the more he ignores or just makes jokes...

Question VP, you lynch CB and he flips vanilla town..what are you going to say then? let me guess, "CKD knew he was town, and was trying to buy town creds"

VP..WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING MY QUESTIONS?

on your scum list WHERE DO I STAND?

WHY WONT YOU EXCEPT MY WAGER?

reck, read the passed...I dont know 3 pages...then post.

ZA, why do you think that VP is blatantly ignoring my posts? He wants everyone to think I am scum, but wont tell us where I stand on his list....or why he wont except the wager.

because your posts are blatantly ignorable. there is nothing of use in them.

they're a smoke screen. and they aren't working.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:33 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:ZA what is wrong with my wager?

VP wants people to believe that he thinks I am scum. I dont think he really does...in the least.

I am proving that right now.

i'm not getting into it. STOP DISTRACTING US FROM SCUM HUNTING BY BEING A WHINEY STANDOFFISH PRAT. hunt scum, and stop trying to prove you have a bigger dick than VP. its pointless. NO ONE WINS.

(unless you both post pictures, then I'll judge)

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:42 pm

VP Baltar wrote:
emp wrote:There is in-thread evidence that Zoneace is town
I would like to know what you think those actions are.

Yeah, I'm a little curious too.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:42 pm

So we're just waiting on question results before offing CB right?

ZONEACE · Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:54 am

Santos wrote:Post 1, rule 3.1 the link is not working. Can it be fixed?

copy and past it and delete the comma at the end.

ZONEACE · Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:04 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote: ZA and CDB are not really adding anything today and will probably lurk out the game. if we lose this game, I blames those who are lurking and those you are not reading at all.

excuse me? DID YOU READ THE DAMN GAME TODAY?????

I'm going to lurk out????

go to hell man, i'm one of the people that's been keeping this game alive.

what a fucking stupid thing to say.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:58 am

absolutely not.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:08 am

I'll do it when I get home from the bar/party I'm going to tonight. So, you people have probably 12-14 hours to object/state your thoughts before I swing the hammer.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:12 am

oh yeah, especially since there will an hour long open bar and 1 dollar drinks for part of the night

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:12 am

oh yeah, especially since there will an hour long open bar and 1 dollar drinks for part of the night

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:50 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
and yes, ZA has been participating...I dont think he has been adding anything, but I misspoke when I said he was lurking.

I've added a hell of a lot more than you.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:00 am

My suspicion lis is as follows
1. CB
2. Reck
3. CKd/cdb/santos/emp
4. Juls
5. VP
6. Me

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:24 pm

drunk vote CB

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:12 am

We aren't in LYLO.

just FYI.

PS, there is one less anti-town role today than there was yesterday.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:36 am

why are you so sure there is a scum team of 3?

If that was true then there were 4 anti-town players to start the game.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:55 am

VP Baltar wrote:If there was one less member of the scum team (by some sort of conversion I assume you are implying) couldn't that person just simply come out and name the remainder of the scum team?

I didn't say there was one less person in the scum team. I said there was one less anti-town player.

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:58 am

WE aren't in LYLO, you're scum, mass claim before end of day

ZONEACE · Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:56 am

My silence is do to the fact that someone I now believe 100% to be town has asked me to stop giving out information.

ZONEACE · Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:36 am

Santos wrote: and ZONEACE is most likely the person in charge of something much more powerful than we realize - hence, why he got so upset earlier in the game because pepole were going to lynch him for his erratic behavior as opposed to the point he was trying to make.

huh?

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:42 am

xRECKONERx wrote:Well, I would have said Emp, but now that Santos has cleared him, it raises a few questions.

I still don't like CKD for the reasons I've mentioned before. I would consider Zone a bit scummy for his generally aggressive play and willingness to lynch almost anyone. Outside of that, though, I have no concrete reasons for anyone, despite any odd vibes I may get (*cough*you*cough*).

if you read the friggin game you'd know why me and Emp are clear.

and why ckd is scum for continuing this lylo BS.

if we're in LYLO this game is skewed horrible toward scum.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:54 am

I still don't like Reck or CB.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:56 am

xRECKONERx wrote:Now who's not paying attention, Zone?

Yeah mybad, i went to look at the OP to see who was listed that I suspected.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:21 am

xRECKONERx wrote:
though I still don't like the Emp/Zone interactions in the slightest

more proof you have no clue what you're doing.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:32 am

we aren't in LYLO.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:06 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:
ZA, are you saying we are not in lylo because you no something about this particular game...or...just on basic "knowledge" of mafia ?

both

or more accurately, one because of the other.

ZONEACE · Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:41 pm

outstanding. Welcome to the game BM.

ZONEACE · Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:27 pm

request prod for CDB

I know CDB has been sick, but just so that we make sure we get updates so that we aren't just sitting around wondering when he gets better.