Mini 828 - ProzacMod 3 - Lost Mafia - Over

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

Re-read. On my way to Inglorious Basterds. On phones browswer. Will post full case when i return

[canadianbovine]

I see it like this

If I say I can protect the cop... the scum know not to target him and can almost guarantee a night kill elsewhere..

If I say I can not protect the cop then they know they are free to go at him, and the guilty result the cop could hypothetically get in the night on someone (assumning he investigates correctly) will have gone to waste and we will never know.

Does that make sense?

"if i say i can protect the cop, the scum will not target the cop" So there going to hit a VT, or maybe at worst a vig. Or scum will just kill you tonight. no matter who gets killed, in this scenario we get a cop investigation -assuming no roleblocker-

and the second paragraph is poor assumed play on towns part because that assumes the town will be playing follow the 'cop'

[ZONEACE]

I see it like this

If I say I can protect the cop... the scum know not to target him and can almost guarantee a night kill elsewhere..

If I say I can not protect the cop then they know they are free to go at him, and the guilty result the cop could hypothetically get in the night on someone (assumning he investigates correctly) will have gone to waste and we will never know.

Does that make sense?

"if i say i can protect the cop, the scum will not target the cop" So there going to hit a VT, or maybe at worst a vig. Or scum will just kill you tonight. no matter who gets killed, in this scenario we get a cop investigation -assuming no roleblocker-

Why wouldn't they just kill the doc?

[canadianbovine]

you know I did not want to claim doctor and was very hesitant to do so. I was considering claiming Vanilla so as to guarentee being able to protect someone in the night.

as I said, you want to lynch me... lynch me... as for my vote. Happy where it is thank you

Believe me or not if you wish. I don't care

asks to someone not jason:

Would richard being a VT of been believable? asking cause not done with s5. because he was obvious Richard, and that comment above bounced and pinged the scumdar.

[canadianbovine]

I see it like this

If I say I can protect the cop... the scum know not to target him and can almost guarantee a night kill elsewhere..

If I say I can not protect the cop then they know they are free to go at him, and the guilty result the cop could hypothetically get in the night on someone (assumning he investigates correctly) will have gone to waste and we will never know.

Does that make sense?

"if i say i can protect the cop, the scum will not target the cop" So there going to hit a VT, or maybe at worst a vig. Or scum will just kill

you

tonight. no matter who gets killed, in this scenario we get a cop investigation -assuming no roleblocker-

Why wouldn't they just kill the doc?

that is what i said, "you" was referring to Jason, who last time i checked claimed doctor.

[canadianbovine]

unvote: vote: jebus

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Do not support an uncclaimed power role lynch on day 1.

FOS: LL

for coming to the poor logical deduction that we should lynch the cop.

[canadianbovine]

MOD: whats your timezone? that will help some of us know when the actual deadline is.

[ZONEACE]

I see it like this

If I say I can protect the cop... the scum know not to target him and can almost guarantee a night kill elsewhere..

If I say I can not protect the cop then they know they are free to go at him, and the guilty result the cop could hypothetically get in the night on someone (assumning he investigates correctly) will have gone to waste and we will never know.

Does that make sense?

"if i say i can protect the cop, the scum will not target the cop" So there going to hit a VT, or maybe at worst a vig. Or scum will just kill

you

tonight. no matter who gets killed, in this scenario we get a cop investigation -assuming no roleblocker-

Why wouldn't they just kill the doc?

that is what i said, "you" was referring to Jason, who last time i checked claimed doctor.

my bad, i didn't read the whole post.

[Santos]

Whoa, we're going to lynch RECKONER (aka Kate) to prove if Richard Alpert (Jason) is scum as well?

This is a scum led mafia if I've ever seen one.

FoS: those who are advocating lynching Kate at all

Vote: VP Baltar

for apparently having no problem with lynching one of the most pro town roles ever.

[ZONEACE]

Whoa, we're going to lynch RECKONER (aka Kate) to prove if Richard Alpert (Jason) is scum as well?

This is a scum led mafia if I've ever seen one.

FoS: those who are advocating lynching Kate at all

Vote: VP Baltar

for apparently having no problem with lynching one of the most pro town roles ever.

............

fos

for suddenly giving a damn after practically NO participation


i think we just found some scum linking guys.

[Santos]

How is saying Kate is pro town indicative of myself being scum?

Have you watched the show or researched it?

[ZONEACE]

How is saying Kate is pro town indicative of myself being scum?

Have you watched the show or researched it?

ALIGNMENT ON THE SHOW IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT IN THE GAME.


and even if it were, the mafia would have been given safe claims, so someone being a "good guy" on Lost, doesn't mean they will be a "good guy" here.

[Santos]

I would rather lynch myself before lynching Kate. Also, why not let the claimed doc and cop live and see what type of results they provide the next day so we can have something more substantial to work with in cases to lynch/not lynch them?

1) Lynch RECKONER / Jason today proves only one's alignment
2) Not lynching RECKONER / Jason today obligates them to give us results.

ALIGNMENT ON THE SHOW IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT IN THE GAME.

This would just be a blatant bastardization of the game to fans who joined this game :p, but you are right. I cannot 'outthink' the mod. Touche', sir.

[ZONEACE]

ALIGNMENT ON THE SHOW IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT IN THE GAME.

This would just be a blatant bastardization of the game to fans who joined this game :p, but you are right.

that's how theme games work.

[Santos]

Also, if we're to follow the currently proposed route of lynching RECKONER today, then the scum have it easy taking out the 'claimed doctor'.

IMO, if Jason lives tonight, then it only casts more suspicion on himself. Right now he is in a lose/lose situation with only the possibility of protecting someone like the cop. I vote we leave him alone for today as well as the claimed cop and go after someone else.

ZONEACE, would you play this entire game believing scum have safe claims?

[ZONEACE]

Also, if we're to follow the currently proposed route of lynching RECKONER today, then the scum have it easy taking out the 'claimed doctor'.

IMO, if Jason lives tonight, then it only casts more suspicion on himself. Right now he is in a lose/lose situation with only the possibility of protecting someone like the cop. I vote we leave him alone for today as well as the claimed cop and go after someone else.

ZONEACE, would you play this entire game believing scum have safe claims?

I will play this game believing show alignment has no bearing on game alignment.

[Santos]

So if I 'safe claimed' as someone like Jin or Sun, would you think more of me as scum or town based off your belief?

[canadianbovine]

So if I 'safe claimed' as someone like Jin or Sun, would you think more of me as scum or town based off your belief?

Sun is obv a mafia usurper, trying to kill godfather Ben.

[Santos]

canadian, right away you're biased opinion of Ben does not work because I could easily keep whining that Kate is a good guy if we're to base this game off the show.

However, ^this is a good example as to why I believe we have to believe in at least SOME of the flavor of the game because Ben's alignment would be much more ambiguous as opposed to say...Kate's.

That's what I was meaning, btw, ZONEACE.

[ZONEACE]

Who you claim would have little to effect on me. How the claim sounds and fits in wih my understanding of the game is what is important. If you claimed Ben Linus I wouldn't auro vote you for claiming a "bad guy" I'd consider how it fit with everything else. How you play and interact has more Affect on my vote than what character you claim so I'm not going to start arguing semantics and saying how I'd respond you hypothetically claimed sun.

[Locke Lamora]

unvote: vote: jebus

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Do not support an uncclaimed power role lynch on day 1.

FOS: LL

for coming to the poor logical deduction that we should lynch the cop.

I deduced that we should lynch Reckoner because he's incredibly scummy. He was scummy before his claim and he continues to be scummy after his claim. I didn't logically deduce that we should lynch the cop. However, if you look at the possible outcomes of the situation if Reckoner lives, it becomes apparent that his usefulness is highly limited:

At best we're going to get one result out of him, and that's if both he and Jason is telling the truth. If Jason's lying and Reckoner's telling the truth, Reckoner's dead. If the mafia have a roleblocker, Reckoner's dead/useless. If Reckoner's lying, we're giving scum an extra night (possibly two if he comes up with a guilty and we lynch his target to verify his result). Not only that, but we rush a late lynch on a third target (I think Jebus is now the vote leader), leaving very little time for a claim or debate over that claim.

[Locke Lamora]

Oh, and I'm with Zoneace, people should stop making assumptions about what the logical flavour for each character might be. Jason mentioned a game earlier he was in with Ben as the town cop. Read Family Guy Mafia for another good example of this - you'd never have picked out the characters who were in the mafia. Stewie was town, Bonnie was mafia, etc. Stop assuming that characters you think are pro-town are going to be town.

[Santos]

whoa, settle down.

[Locke Lamora]

Settle down? I'm just trying to dispel the notion that we shouldn't lynch someone because their character in Lost is what we would think is pro-town. What do you think of Reckoner, not his character, but Reckoner's play itself?

[xRECKONERx]

Also, if we're to follow the currently proposed route of lynching RECKONER today, then the scum have it easy taking out the 'claimed doctor'.

IMO, if Jason lives tonight, then it only casts more suspicion on himself. Right now he is in a lose/lose situation with only the possibility of protecting someone like the cop. I vote we leave him alone for today as well as the claimed cop and go after someone else.

ZONEACE, would you play this entire game believing scum have safe claims?

This is a good point.

Anyway, just got back from the movie. It's fucking 4am so I'm not going to even try and make sense of 3-5 pages worth of stuff right now. Tomorrow sometime.