Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[Roden]

VOTE: Aureal

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There will be a special mechanic involving a part of their role's flavour referred to hereafter as 'real names', with a table of all possible names spoilered above.
The 'real names' are essentially just flavour that will be used in the place of usernames throughout the game, though some actions may require 'real names' to be submitted instead of usernames.

I think we should assume scum may require real names to be effective.

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hey guys im not replaced right
i didn't know I was in this

Did you not confirm with the mod?

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Wouldn't the cult just prioritize recruiting the loudest town voices and scum hunters?

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VOTE: DXtreme

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That makes sense

Based off my role, I think the same goes for town's effective power

I think the set up balance is probably based around "town needing real names to be 100% effective with PRs" vs "scum needing real names to target specific people"

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VOTE: DXtreme

@mod

I moved my vote

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Aureal feels similar in tone to the Dark Jester game, so I'm leaning town there atm. I don't really know what her scum game is like though.

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Spoiler: Aureal in this game

[Roden]

HEY

How dare you break up my page spamming

My bad

Spoiler: Aureal in this game

is this AI though?

She MIGHT be in her speedster meta

[Roden]

There's so many to choose from

Ugh decisions are hard

Assign a game to each real name in the set up, whoever gets voted out first is the decided game

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Are you trying to fake a dumb tell right now?

All the names are in the setup post, even i saw that

I did not see that, nor did I know I could have chosen what my name could be lol

You got to choose?!?

You could send in names during sign ups, kind of like a pseudo U-pick

[Roden]

I'm confused

Drew you already knew the real names were public knowledge

Why throw shade towards me?

[Roden]

I'm confused

Drew you already knew the real names were public knowledge

Why throw shade towards me?

You missed where I didn't know they were public knowledge in signups

My bad, I misread.

I'm confused

Drew you already knew the real names were public knowledge

Why throw shade towards me?

What makes you think he knew?

And what shade?

See the above.

[Roden]

So they can later say "But why would I be against something that benefits me?"

Pushing the mislim through being higher priority than aiming conversions.

Preferring pseudo-randomness for tactical purposes.

I think scum would be too scared of looking informed to ever even mention it. There's a pretty good chance that none of the people who've talked about mass claims and real name theories are in the cult.

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Roden's 43 feels weird to me. I dont know why we should be assuming that? Will be interesting to see if he explains this later.

Why would that be interesting?

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Roden's 43 feels weird to me. I dont know why we should be assuming that? Will be interesting to see if he explains this later.

Why would that be interesting?

It's an assumption that pinged me, because I just dont know what would make you have that assumption? At most it is just a coincidence, at worst its TMI.

Have you read the set up?

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Roden's 43 feels weird to me. I dont know why we should be assuming that? Will be interesting to see if he explains this later.

Why would that be interesting?

It's an assumption that pinged me, because I just dont know what would make you have that assumption? At most it is just a coincidence, at worst its TMI.

Have you read the set up?

I did.
I see there are conversions, and that real names may be useful in place of usernames for some roles, but not that real names would be used for conversions?

And also not that it would benefit scum specifically?

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.

[Roden]

???

Do you think the real names are a red herring then? What?

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"It could be read as TMI" is such a thinly veiled threat lol

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"It could be read as TMI" is such a thinly veiled threat lol

It honestly isn't meant to be

I'm kind of just spewing my thoughts as I catch up. This honestly could mean nothing and I could just end up not caring about it once I'm fully caught up.

Let me try and explain what I'm trying to say again:

- We know that everyone has a real name.
- We know that real names plays a part for some roles.
- You saying that you have a feeling that knowing real names would make scum more effective pinged me, because I wasn't sure where that assumption came from, as we dont know whether real names will help town or scum, unless we have more information that tips us off one way or the other.

The information that tips us off is in the set up my dude

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I don't think we're arguing semantics

I think you tried to throw out shade to follow up with a fake scum read later so that you can push someone at the end of your catchup

I don't buy that you think reading comprehension is TMI and I don't buy that you were interested if I explained my reasoning later, because if you were you could just read my ISO and look at the surrounding posts for context.

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The assumption comes from the fact that scum have a factional ability for conversion, not a specific cult leader, and that this set up also has the real names mechanic

I don't see why there's confusion on how I went from Thought A to Thought B

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Is there a con to voting DV Day 3 instead of today?

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I think Leaf makes a good point

Tbh we have zero reason to believe DV is a benign 3P or that he's being 100% honest about his wincon

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VOTE: NK15

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VOTE: Theta

Town doesn't benefit from letting 3p win and removing an unrecruitable name from the pool

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I could vote Theta, her talk currently seems to be solely mech-based.

Is being solely mech based scummy?

I mean, the mech talk has been about helping a faction other than town win.

VOTE: Theta

Town doesn't benefit from letting 3p win and removing an unrecruitable name from the pool

then talk to the people that think the 3p is not benign and convince them to let the 3p stay for a bit longer
i personally think letting the 3p leave for the cost of a single night action is better for town then the 3p being the elimination given well
the 3p is not cult and the only way we can eliminate cult is with our votes as far as i can tell

I don't really care about the 3p winning or losing

Explain to me the benefit of cutting loose a 3p who acts as a shield against the scum team

Because right now you just look like scum trying to nudge your team closer to having a majority at the cost of a single night action

VOTE: Theta

Town doesn't benefit from letting 3p win and removing an unrecruitable name from the pool

You guys have got to be fugging kidding me.

"waaaaah we don't want the 3P around let's kill it"
"waaaaah how dare you try to get rid of the 3P it benefits town for it to be around"

When did I say any of that?

[Roden]

look at my day 1 posting

i wanted to keep the 3p alive to eat cult recruit shots potentially
but no a bunch of you just want deas dead instead so i offer a way to get deas out if they are what they claim without using one of our eliminations

There's barely been any Deas drama, people want Rat dead

I thought you wanted 3P left alone yesterday Roden?
Are you not town?

I still do. Your "gotcha" attempts are bad.

[Roden]

Roden's prior position on the 3P is not very clear, he doesn't seem to have been favor of immediately voting him out but also expressed dubiousness of it.

Is there a con to voting DV Day 3 instead of today?

I think Leaf makes a good point

Tbh we have zero reason to believe DV is a benign 3P or that he's being 100% honest about his wincon

It's kinda fence-sitty and this attack on Theta is ridiculous even if he has since then come to have a much stronger PoV on the matter. If you don't want the 3P gone, then GO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT IT GONE FFS

Roden might have been converted last night, this is just bad all around

Sorry, didn't realize the 3p was up for elimination today

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I don't think people want Deas dead as much as people think. There were like three people max who were super loud about it and one of them got flipped and isn't here anymore. And by the time we get to Day 3 I think it'll be clear we have bigger fish to fry, since we'll have more info from night actions and the Day 2 flip.

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564 doesn't feel fence sitty tbh

That was also before Theta confirmed that Deas was able to target her without knowing her real name

I think it makes sense for a 3p to be able to circumvent the real name mechanic

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UNVOTE:

I think the last few posts were townier

HEAL: Deas

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i mean deas described it as an ability to learn someones true name so that would have to work based on player names

Yeah, confirming it is what made me move away from any suspicion that Deas was scum pretending to be 3p

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Ok that's enough paranoia, I'm the streamer. I can choose to self-watch each night, and then mod-confirm who visited me during the day. I thought it would also confirm my real name as well, but I'm kinda glad it didn't.

I plan to do this every day, so I'm effectively perma-cleared as town as long as no one visits me or we can determine that anyone who has visited me is also town.

I think Finley should claim btw. Who they are and what they targeted me with.

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Ok that's enough paranoia, I'm the streamer. I can choose to self-watch each night, and then mod-confirm who visited me during the day. I thought it would also confirm my real name as well, but I'm kinda glad it didn't.

I plan to do this every day, so I'm effectively perma-cleared as town as long as no one visits me or we can determine that anyone who has visited me is also town.

I think Finley should claim btw. Who they are and what they targeted me with.

Well the paranoia spiral was fun while it lasted.

Do you know when during the day it gets confirmed/why it didn't happen immediately?

I just have to message the mod. I waited until I was caught up reading and there was a lull in the conversation so that it wouldn't distract from anything super important.

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I do not.

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Ok that's enough paranoia, I'm the streamer. I can choose to self-watch each night, and then mod-confirm who visited me during the day. I thought it would also confirm my real name as well, but I'm kinda glad it didn't.

I plan to do this every day, so I'm effectively perma-cleared as town as long as no one visits me or we can determine that anyone who has visited me is also town.

I think Finley should claim btw. Who they are and what they targeted me with.

If you get converted, it outs the converter too

Spoiler: yep

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This problem is solved by me just claiming my real name. Or at least, it's in my best interest to do so. I haven't done that yet since I want to know what Finley's intentions were and if they knew who they were targeting.

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I'm mainly just interested if Finley targeted randomly or intentionally. I doubt they'll claim tbh, but if anything we can ask about it later if we end up in a real name mass claim situation.

I do think it's worth pointing out though that if scum do have multiple factional abilities like someone suggested a few pages back, it's likely they have a kill and will probably shoot me. But it's probably a good idea to force it out early if it exists, so it isn't the end of the world if I die.

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I'm Lennox

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VOTE: Leaf

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VOTE: Leaf

Interesting

Why Flavor?

Did you not see that open-wolf quick hammer?

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I have no WIM in this game so vote me out if you want

I only had one shot and apparently misread my role PM, I assumed "once during the Day" meant I could reveal my stream one time each Day, not once ever in the entire game

I wasn't converted, probably because scum also believed I could reveal my self watch each day, but yeah

For whatever reason though, I could still stream last night since the mod confirmed my self-watch

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My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

Thoughts on why you got repeats?

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I don't think Dan is being seriously considered as an option

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I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

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Leaf is group scum imo, I don't think his role makes sense in this set up. There are multiple people with 1-shot abilities and nothing else, but apparently he has two different actions, is unrecruitable, and is also Informed in a way that gives him more info every single day. His role is easily more powerful than anyone else's in the game.

What is the point of his role? Why put an immune townie in this set up that gains more information as the game goes on that can also perform multiple investigations? Scum can't stop him, so why doesn't the mod just give us info every day? That would effectively be the same thing, minus the part where one player is overloaded with power. I just don't think anything he's claimed is real at this point, especially since nothing he's said has been tangible in any way.

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The issue isn't that your claimed power doesn't match your claimed flavor

The issue is that you do way too much for a single role and are able to snowball in strength for free since you can't be stopped by scum

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I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

This seems like a poor take, especially calling out two people who is always kinda low activity(Cakez) and another who has been low activity in general(Titus)

Titus only popped in to give names today even though she had plenty more to say before and after when giving results yesterday

Cakez is vote hopping and not really expanding on his thoughts

Do you think this is consistent behavior?

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Roden, you’re sounding like salty scum here

In what universe would I be salty where I'm scum and you're town quick hammering townies lol

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The issue isn't that your claimed power doesn't match your claimed flavor

The issue is that you do way too much for a single role and are able to snowball in strength for free since you can't be stopped by scum

I’m not gonna lie…i lied…about that part.

I am recruitable. I just said that so scum wouldn’t use like a Name Cop on me.

I felt it was best to protect the info. Yes, there was a chance I got randomly picked, but that was fine in comparison to potentially getting Real Name copped on Night 1.

We’re deeper into this game now, that gambit I think hopefully played off. I have not been converted. :shrug:

That makes more sense tbh, I still don't like it but it's less likely that you're group scum in this case.

I don't really agree that it was a viable gambit though, like if this were a Normal game and you claimed Bulletproof investigative then I don't think scum would buy it lol. At worst, your claim just protects you in case you did get converted since I don't think most townies would ever question your role.

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Roden, you’re sounding like salty scum here

In what universe would I be salty where I'm scum and you're town quick hammering townies lol

Salty we getting to a point where we have a strong town core.

I can also see that scum likely doesn’t know their potential partners and staying very limited with where they push.

I feel like scum are more likely to have a not as good time with this game, especially if AD and Drew are both town here.

And before my reveal of actually being recruitable, with Gamma and I both claiming to be unrecruitable, there was a lot of potential for grumpy scum, and you’re looking like it

If you're telling the truth about scum conversion just turning townies into Traitors, then I don't think scum have any reason to be grumpy. It's Day 3 and no scum have been elim'd yet, and even if any were in danger then up to two Traitors (possibly three since someone claimed the game started with a Traitor) can control the discussion and act as meat shields. Town cores aren't as strong in this set up as it's been described.

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apparently he has two different actions, is unrecruitable,

and is also Informed in a way that gives him more info every single day.

So the 2 actions thing, you were just incorrect with, the unrecruitable, sure, I lied about that.

You wanna keep touting I’m more powerful than all the other roles somehow?

I did misunderstand your double action, since you were vague about it and didn't give your results. Your clarifications have changed my perspective here, but you did cause that in the first place by trying to gambit.

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That's because I'm not...

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I pretty specifically mentioned interest as well, not just activity, and followed up my statement by saying that I don't think Titus' behavior today matches her behavior yesterday

I don't know why Drew is honed in on the word "activity" when I said much more than just that, since I feel like I made it pretty clear that activity alone does not make up the entire basis of my reads on Titus and Cakez

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Like...I even page topped with that post. You can't really miss it. Drew would've gotten a notification as well since I quoted him, so there's no reason for him to be acting like he doesn't know what I said.

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I pretty specifically mentioned interest as well, not just activity, and followed up my statement by saying that I don't think Titus' behavior today matches her behavior yesterday

I don't know why Drew is honed in on the word "activity" when I said much more than just that, since I feel like I made it pretty clear that activity alone does not make up the entire basis of my reads on Titus and Cakez

Like...I even page topped with that post. You can't really miss it. Drew would've gotten a notification as well since I quoted him, so there's no reason for him to be acting like he doesn't know what I said.

Why are you painting me as the bad guy?

Lmao

Drew, you need to have an anime girl avatar to make this kind of AtE work

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I pretty specifically mentioned interest as well, not just activity, and followed up my statement by saying that I don't think Titus' behavior today matches her behavior yesterday

I don't know why Drew is honed in on the word "activity" when I said much more than just that, since I feel like I made it pretty clear that activity alone does not make up the entire basis of my reads on Titus and Cakez

Like...I even page topped with that post. You can't really miss it. Drew would've gotten a notification as well since I quoted him, so there's no reason for him to be acting like he doesn't know what I said.

Why are you painting me as the bad guy?

Lmao

Drew, you need to have an anime girl avatar to make this kind of AtE work

You realize that you are still painting me as the bad guy......and not knowing what AtE means?

Maybe instead of acting like I've victimized you by pointing out that you honed in on one word and ignored the rest of my posts...you could try looking at the rest of my posts?

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Do you not see the irony in claiming that I'm painting you as the bad guy when you

just

went out of your way to paint me as the bad guy for going after Titus and Cakez?

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VOTE: Drew

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Lmao

How could anyone want to vote Aureal

[Roden]

I pretty specifically mentioned interest as well, not just activity, and followed up my statement by saying that I don't think Titus' behavior today matches her behavior yesterday

I don't know why Drew is honed in on the word "activity" when I said much more than just that, since I feel like I made it pretty clear that activity alone does not make up the entire basis of my reads on Titus and Cakez

Where is their posts (Titus and Cakez) are you also seeing a lack of interest?

I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

This seems like a poor take, especially calling out two people who is always kinda low activity(Cakez) and another who has been low activity in general(Titus)

Titus only popped in to give names today even though she had plenty more to say before and after when giving results yesterday

Cakez is vote hopping and not really expanding on his thoughts

Do you think this is consistent behavior?

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That's because I'm not...

This is backpedaling you said that you thought Titus and I were covered to cult because of activity changes. How is that not saying we are scummy?

VOTE: roden

Maybe try reading more

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I would like to offer that if nobody wants to go Aureal, Roden just soft-shamed the Aureal wagon above, but more than that:

Wtf does this even mean

[Roden]

That doesn't explain anything

[Roden]

Are you just openly trying to chainsaw me after I called out Drew? Because that's what it looks like.

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Cakez doing exactly what I said he would do if he were converted is, not particularly surprising

[Roden]

Cakez doing exactly what I said he would do if he were converted is, not particularly surprising

if people want to do a Cakez run we could do it tomorrow or if Dan flips red but not before; I have reasonz for this thx

Just want to point out that there is no tomorrow if town gets mis-elim'd again and scum have three successful conversions.

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but yeah I think Drew is more town than you by far, if thats' what yuou mean? should be obvious

what does chainsaw mean again? been aqwhile since igaf about Maf terms

Spoiler: From the wiki

The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".

The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town.

[Roden]

uh no? unless my math is wrong

We're at 12 players, Day 3

3 scum still live, and have had two chances to recruit

Worst case scenario, 5 scum (3 group, 2 converts) currently exist vs 7 town

Mis-elim + successful conversion means 6 scum vs 5 town on Day 4, which is a town loss

Another reason why we should've kept the 3p around, but no point crying over spilt milk at this point

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Roden LMAO I have not loved your play all game so (a) does not apply to me, and (b) is a very silly reason to call somebody scum independent of (a) but nice try, keep firin' off into the dark there, bruhther, bound to hit shit eventually

I don't think we've even interacted up until now

If you were critical of me earlier then either it was in your head or I somehow missed it, in that case maybe you could point it out

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I didn't have much influence on the 3p, yeah, but ok ig that math checks out?

I wasn't sure if this needed to be said, but the worst case scenario is the biggest reason I'm even putting out my suspicions on who I think is converted. We need to hit group scum today and avoid converts, because even if we hit a convert we would still make zero progress since there's a good chance they just get replaced with another convert and Day 4 is still ELO. It's why I have no intention of voting Titus or Cakez.

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I don't think they're making an effort to follow anyone.

[Roden]

Titus if converted is in anti-spew mode, and Cakez is tossing votes around with minimum reasoning.

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VOTE: radical rat
sheeping Dan here

First Day 2 vote and the earliest he could've been converted. It looks like he's hiding behind a town!Dan.

VOTE: flavor leaf that quickhammer was trash IDC about role claims for now

This spews Leaf as not group scum imo.

Dan and Maestro's postings in the PT have felt very town. Hell even Maestro pointed out I was coasting in there compared to them so I'm inclined to townread both for now.

This feels like scum trying to pocket town with hard town reads. Slightly less inclined to think Drew/Maestro are a thing. Not impossible for Cakez to pair up a town with a group scum though.

Drew reads pretty town in game and in the pt

I probably want to eliminate Aureal or Bianco today. Maybe Roden or Theta??

FL is probably town but I really feel like that quickhammer was a gambit play he'd make as scum so I'm not writing him off

Yes I wouldn't eliminate FL today, but I'm definitely not putting him in my safe town reads, which would be Dan, Maestro, Titus and Thomith

Drew suspiciously missing after he just said he was town.

VOTE: aureal
I'll actually make a real vote for the day now

Considering this vote didn't stick, this unfortunately might have been distancing...

Dan isn't scummy at all why would we eliminate him today

More hardcore white knighting.

That's because I'm not...

This is backpedaling you said that you thought Titus and I were covered to cult because of activity changes. How is that not saying we are scummy?

VOTE: roden

Literally repeating the exact same argument Drew made.

[Roden]

Lmao

How could anyone want to vote Aureal

This looks partner-y

Laughing at jokes is partner-y to you?

[Roden]

Lmao

How could anyone want to vote Aureal

This looks partner-y

Laughing at jokes is partner-y to you?

It's the interaction that looks funky not the laughter

But you literally just said I was town who confbiased into scum reading you??

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VOTE: radical rat
sheeping Dan here

First Day 2 vote and the earliest he could've been converted. It looks like he's hiding behind a town!Dan.

VOTE: flavor leaf that quickhammer was trash IDC about role claims for now

This spews Leaf as not group scum imo.

Dan and Maestro's postings in the PT have felt very town. Hell even Maestro pointed out I was coasting in there compared to them so I'm inclined to townread both for now.

This feels like scum trying to pocket town with hard town reads. Slightly less inclined to think Drew/Maestro are a thing. Not impossible for Cakez to pair up a town with a group scum though.

Drew reads pretty town in game and in the pt

I probably want to eliminate Aureal or Bianco today. Maybe Roden or Theta??

FL is probably town but I really feel like that quickhammer was a gambit play he'd make as scum so I'm not writing him off

Yes I wouldn't eliminate FL today, but I'm definitely not putting him in my safe town reads, which would be Dan, Maestro, Titus and Thomith

Drew suspiciously missing after he just said he was town.

VOTE: aureal
I'll actually make a real vote for the day now

Considering this vote didn't stick, this unfortunately might have been distancing...

Dan isn't scummy at all why would we eliminate him today

More hardcore white knighting.

That's because I'm not...

This is backpedaling you said that you thought Titus and I were covered to cult because of activity changes. How is that not saying we are scummy?

VOTE: roden

Literally repeating the exact same argument Drew made.

All of your arguments are confirmation biased to the max

[Roden]

Are we really questioning why the equivalent of a Doctor might believe that their action succeeded

[Roden]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

If I were in Dan's position, I would feel pretty confident that my action succeeded if I were able to directly target people and not have to guess names. And even if I had doubts, I don't think it's helpful to waffle on whether or not my role is even doing anything in that situation. Dan kinda HAS to show confidence here or he'll look scummy for it.

Also I don't think Blair/Nova are a 100% free conversion? The Ascetic slots real name isn't public yet.

[Roden]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

If I were in Dan's position, I would feel pretty confident that my action succeeded if I were able to directly target people and not have to guess names. And even if I had doubts, I don't think it's helpful to waffle on whether or not my role is even doing anything in that situation. Dan kinda HAS to show confidence here or he'll look scummy for it.

Also I don't think Blair/Nova are a 100% free conversion? The Ascetic slots real name isn't public yet.

Roden,

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

Can you paraphrase the post in your PT where he said this?

[Roden]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

If I were in Dan's position, I would feel pretty confident that my action succeeded if I were able to directly target people and not have to guess names. And even if I had doubts, I don't think it's helpful to waffle on whether or not my role is even doing anything in that situation. Dan kinda HAS to show confidence here or he'll look scummy for it.

Also I don't think Blair/Nova are a 100% free conversion? The Ascetic slots real name isn't public yet.

Roden,

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

Can you paraphrase the post in your PT where he said this?

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

I assumed nothing of the sort. My question in the PT to you was the equivalent of "You targeted Maestro N1, right?"

Again, why would he assume I targeted maestro?

There was no indication I gave that I did

Wouldn't someone who doesn't know ask some sort of variation of 'who did you target?'

Drew, please paraphrase the post. This shouldn't be difficult.

[Roden]

That's quite the leap in logic there.

That's also totally not what drew is complaining about and you should know that since you have reading comprehension FL

youre trying to paint this like i'm twisting it or purposefully misrepping it, and that's just not true.

im just saying things about how i see it.

Things as you see them must be quite warped then because its quite simple for both our perspectives. Drew's is just ludicrous.

Order of events:

D2 I claim I know 100% maestro is not converted. Lots of hinting of role including that were I to flip first over nk15 people would be less inclined to think scum is in FG. And that I target in friendgroup and that those ae my preferred targets anyway

D3
I claim cakez Is not converted via a n2 action

Drew claims his n2 action in thread to explain FL No result.

I fully claim role and flavor and ask for a Massclaim

Drew claims role and flavor.

I ask for Drew's n1 target, specifically inquiring if it's maestro also.

End.

Wait so nobody in the FG chat even knew you could stop conversions until recently?

[Roden]

So...Drew is just scum reading you because he thought that you soft claiming your role meant you were actually spewing TMI

Wow

[Roden]

Leaf have you given the result from your Coffee shot yet?

[Roden]

I really don't think the FG is all town at this point

[Roden]

I think FL is town. Scum don't want FL in the game due his continuing information.

I think Maestro Cakez Theta Aureal contains most if not all the scumteam to this point

Maybe Titus is still town after all

[Roden]

Leaf have you given the result from your Coffee shot yet?

Nah, I needed to wait for something for it. I could probs claim it, but it’ll change the direction of the game dramatically, and I’m not 100% sure I want that right now.

I thought you said your role was weak?

[Roden]

Leaf have you given the result from your Coffee shot yet?

Nah, I needed to wait for something for it. I could probs claim it, but it’ll change the direction of the game dramatically, and I’m not 100% sure I want that right now.

I thought you said your role was weak?

the action is. the possible implication is because i aint weak

I don't really understand this.

[Roden]

Who claimed that the game started with 1 Traitor/Addict?

[Roden]

Who claimed that the game started with 1 Traitor/Addict?

I need to start taking notes in these puzzle box-type games...

I'm gonna just read back and try to find it. I'm pretty sure whoever claimed it not only lied, but is group scum.

[Roden]

I do have some questions about your passive info gathering part of your role. Can you spell out the pieces of info you started with and gained each night. I want to make sure it aligns with what my role implies about conversion flavor

I started with info, and then get it every night.

- convert with Real Names.

- started with a Traitor (flavored as an Addict)

- converts become Addicts.

Oh that was easy, it was just Leaf.

Why did you claim this earlier?

[Roden]

Fake claiming Ascetic in a role madness game is uh, definitely a choice

[Roden]

Oh, huh, that "started" never quite registered with me before. That would mean only two of the 3 original group have comms and they don't know who the third is. So that's yet another way that a recruitment could fail.

The pendulum of balance is swinging back to the side of "too many failure chances" for all this stuff to be true.

Traitor identity is presumably unknown to the main group so hitting them is a wasted shot
Gamma/Hu claimed Ascetic
Drew claimed rolestopper or something of the sort
Dan claimed some other sort of recruitment stopping
Rat was able to redirect actions on them and thus potentially avert recruitment depending on whether the target was recruitable

I was gonna wait to see what Leaf said, but since he didn't want to claim his results until I pushed him on his Traitor info and is now suddenly focused on that instead, I might as well get into it.

The scum team cannot actually start with a Traitor due to the info Leaf has given us. He's claimed that Traitors are not Enthusiasts, but Addicts. However...

Setup

General Information

• The informed minority consists of the
  3 Enthusiasts
  .

Leaf's info conflicts with the set up. Either Addicts don't exist, or scum did not start with a Traitor.

[Roden]

yeah
definitely a choice
i mean that has to be traitor signalling then right

Possibly. The slot could just as easily be group scum trying to avoid investigatives. I want to see Hu Tao's response before coming to any conclusions though.

[Roden]

correct me if i am wrong
but i believe traitors are still their faction
with enthusiasts there presumably being the faction name

They are still presumably of the same faction, but the set up doesn't specifically label the faction and instead refers to three players as Enthusiasts. The Traitors are specifically being referred to as Addicts.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

You

[Roden]

Only one person visited me N1, and that was mod confirmed. So Hu Tao has to be Finley.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

Who do you think is scum?

I don't trust Drew, but there's been a whirlwind of info that points equally to Dan being town or scum. I think I’m still leaning towards him being town, given your claim.

I think Cakez is a convert and don't really want to vote there, but it's looking like we might have to. Aureal is also an option.

[Roden]

Only one person visited me N1, and that was mod confirmed. So Hu Tao has to be Finley.

Btw if this is not true and Hu Tao is not Finley, the real one needs to claim.

[Roden]

I think Cakez is a convert

Why do you think that in particular? Think what you want of his play bit its been very consistent from d1 onwards. (Also he was not not converted n2)

I think he was converted N1 and explained why a few days ago. Is there an argument for him being group scum?

[Roden]

Also is "not not converted" a typo?

[Roden]

I think Cakez is a convert

Why do you think that in particular? Think what you want of his play bit its been very consistent from d1 onwards. (Also he was not not converted n2)

I think he was converted N1 and explained why a few days ago. Is there an argument for him being group scum?

Oh I'll take look. I certainly would never argue group scum as I think he's town

That's kinda awkward. A lot of people think both of you are scum, but you're both defending each other.

[Roden]

Maestro/Dan/Thomith/Titus seems like a possible solve

Do you think Cakez is town?

[Roden]

Maestro/Dan/Thomith/Titus seems like a possible solve

Do you think Cakez is town?

it's possible, im lean town based on my Maestro scum read. I also think them being on titus list just makes them more likely to be town.

Is being on Titus's list actually a good thing if you think she could be scum?

[Roden]

That makes sense I think.

Why is Dan not up for elimination?

[Roden]

VOTE: Dan

[Roden]

why Dan over Maestro?

The idea that people are fine with a Maestro elim is giving me "compromise wagon" vibes in a really spooky way. I think there's a half-decent chance Maestro is town and getting scapegoated. And if they aren't, then they seem like they're meant to be the fall guy/sacrifice for the group scum.

Like...town reads and scum reads aren't fighting it. But this feels like a pretty pivotal Day. And I doubt group scum bus each other if there really are only two of them to begin with.

[Roden]

How many hoods exist right now?

[Roden]

In order of who I want:

Maestro
ActionDan
Cakez
Drew

I probably wont ever vote Drew in any fashion, though, but he's part of the FG.

I can vibe with this

I have already basically shunned Maestro and Dan, thought I do slightly feel Cakez could be scum more than Maestro........kinda feel like Mae is being used by Dan

I didn't expect to mind meld with Drew in the same Day that I scum read him, but here we are

[Roden]

I'm not tho

Then are you claiming group scum?

[Roden]

...What?

[Roden]

You only had three votes

[Roden]

Am I having a stroke

[Roden]

I had an edible, somebody make this make sense

Ok Thomith is confused too, I appreciate it

[Roden]

Aureal and Dan both had four votes each in the VC, and then Maestro received two votes

Did Maestro mistake one of their names as Maestro's own and legitimately thought they were at E-1?

[Roden]

Why would we vote for converted scum who thinks they win by self-hammering?

[Roden]

We only get one dance, but if this is ELO/MELO then you kinda need to to use it

[Roden]

Dan being the only one stoic in the face of that chaos kinda implies that this was planned and Dan knew what to expect

If this was to save Aureal, uh first off I was wrong, she actually only had three votes, not four. But it would be weird because Maestro was voting Aureal before pulling shenanigans.

[Roden]

You think they’re saving Aureal, not Dan?

It's a possibility but it feels super unnecessary, the votes were getting narrowed down to Dan vs Maestro. I think there's been a lot of noise about Aureal being scum, but the push there has been lackluster and feels unorganized.

[Roden]

No clue what Theta’s talking about

I claimed that part of my role is that any actions targeting me will always succeed.

Theta is saying there's nothing to make that part of my role necessary.

...What about the dance party? Wouldn't you be the only one still able to be targeted by shared/factional actions?

[Roden]

What is the name of Aureal's role? Not the real name.

[Roden]

Wow I hate pick-your-poison gambits

[Roden]

Maestro is too cocky for this to not be a gambit

[Roden]

yeah this is unhinged of Drew, IMO, based on the post I read in PT

I had absolutely no idea what was going on bc of how far-from-that-post you had to jump to a conclusion to get to this point, like holy fk

now that the other game's ended I can say: ffs FLeaf, either commit to something instead of waffling before you make Town lose this game too or realize you're not always going to be able to strongarm your way through a game by yourself. WEhether you like it or not you need others on your side; you need to shut up & follow if you don't know what's up now & then, just my advice...

yeah, tbf I'm a tiny bit of a liability if converted as I had said before, but that hasn't happened yet & has been checked, I believe? idk

it depends on whether you trust Dan, bc I'm happy Dan is Town bc he could've just not-confirmed several things in FG/PT which from my PoV would give me less info/tank me hard; basically I would be even-more low-hanging fruit for FLeaf to rant & rave about until the cows come home

either way, if I'm run up y'all won't get a thread-claim from me (since there's 3 ppl here who can corroborate my existing FG/PT claim lol) so better to run others up if you want to "compromise" on mislimming me eventually

LOL @ FLeaf & whoever else who think I can't have fun as any alignment ; playing similarly as multiple alignments is kinda the point of the game, y'all know that right?

also, who was sassing me about voting Aureal last page? you're late to the party, not me - look how well Aureal is pretending to follow probTown-loudass-FLeaf here? it's hilarious that he's allowing it to happen yet again, when in this game I'm notScum that he wants to run up after getting butthurt bc last game when he had to abandon pushing me even if he was right after he got no traction

Maestro was so fucking salty when they were getting pushed by Leaf...I feel like this spews Leaf as town and Maestro as group scum

[Roden]

God I hate this

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

[Roden]

Not ending the day early

[Roden]

Ima be real Roden, I only trust you and FL right now

The feeling is mutual

[Roden]

Not ending the day early

Well, "early" isn't really accurate. I mean we're not ending it yet.

[Roden]

Do we know if scum have multitasking?

[Roden]

Ima be real I don't understand why we aren't limming claimed scum today, I don't think we have enough time to successfully figure out wtf Maestro is doing today.

This might be the better play the more I think on it

[Roden]

Do we know if scum have multitasking?

Nothing in the ruleset.

I could've sworn somebody had mentioned it, I thought maybe it was Leaf but I couldn't find it in his ISO

If scum don't have multitasking, then Maestro is scum from Day 1 for "forgetting" to use their action, since in reality they would've used the conversion ability. Cakez also claimed to forget to use his action, but if I'm right about him being the N1 convert then it's possible he had incriminating results and just lied about forgetting to act.

[Roden]

Multitasking by default in a role madness game sounds fucking bonkers, but I don't know the set up history for it

[Roden]

Why else does Maestro act that way if Dan isn’t scum as scum?

That's what I can't wrap my head around here

[Roden]

I'm gonna reread Kitty's ISO

[Roden]

I'm gonna reread Kitty's ISO

I looked for traitor crumbs with Kitty, and couldn’t find anything.

We also know Maestro can’t have been converted Night 2 IF Dan is town.

Maestro and Dan have definitely been covering for each other all game, if nothing else this points to this being group scum/Traitor and we need to figure out who's who

[Roden]

Before Maestro did all this, I was ready to end the day voting Maestro.

Any chance that they knew this and decided to play Jester to scare people away?

[Roden]

it might be a traitor trying to delay group from dying


hold on a moment

i just realized something

if scum started with a traitor then there are only two people that share the recruit action
if one of them dies then thomiths ability no longer applies to recruit does it

if the choice is between traitor and group scum elim right now
is it actually better for scum to have a group scum flip

Giga brain strats if true

[Roden]

Essentially, what I believe massclaiming offers is everyone knowing who they're targeting instead of having to guess if theirs is a role that targets flavor names. Whether this is a net benefit to Town or to Scum depends on the exact roles in play, which we do not know, nor should we be trying to speculate on so early.

However, it is my belief that the chance is worth taking to enforce consistency and accountability.

I have a strong suspicion that the cult can use names to convert. You're nullifying town's advantage by massclaiming so nah.

VOTE: Rat

This is the only interesting post I can find. I assume he said this because of the real names being listed in the FG. Would a Traitor out this info though?

[Roden]

If group scum want to nullify the dance party by only having one group scum, they still never auto win. Even if they have 5 total members now and get dropped down to 4, even if they get another successful conversion and go back up to 5, it's vs 6 town.

[Roden]

Essentially, what I believe massclaiming offers is everyone knowing who they're targeting instead of having to guess if theirs is a role that targets flavor names. Whether this is a net benefit to Town or to Scum depends on the exact roles in play, which we do not know, nor should we be trying to speculate on so early.

However, it is my belief that the chance is worth taking to enforce consistency and accountability.

I have a strong suspicion that the cult can use names to convert. You're nullifying town's advantage by massclaiming so nah.

VOTE: Rat

This is the only interesting post I can find. I assume he said this because of the real names being listed in the FG. Would a Traitor out this info though?

Would a traitor even know that info?

Probably not. Though Kitty explained his reasoning by saying it wasn't a difficult conclusion to come to in the first place. Which I don't disagree with.

[Roden]

Do we know exactly when Maestro first claimed their role? Was it before or after NK15's elim?

[Roden]

I assume I can't quote posts from there, but:

He made a post early on about expecting me or Maestro to be the N1 convert(I even asked why me, to no asnwer), then after I claimed my role what blocked FL from targeting Dan on N2, Dan assumed that it must have been me that blocked Maestro from being converted as well(didn't even occur to me at the time that this was tmi).

That was the post I wanted to talk to Dan about, and part of his response was to talk about mention, apropos to nothing, a mention of a in game flavor name and how it relates to FL.....and worded it as if I should know what he was talking about(no mention of the in game flavor name before in the FG).......really felt like a PT slip, like he meant to post it not in FG.

And now his posting seems like total damage control(literally as I am typing this and looking on my phone at the FG)

Ok, I think Drew was onto something here and that it is just Dan.

[Roden]

Theta, Roden, and I vote Maestro, that makes Maestro E-2 and Dan E-3 with this self vote on him.

Think 2 other people are going to vote Maestro?

Aureal might end up getting speed limmed.

I would hope that doesn't happen to Aureal, Dan and Maestro have been hard pushing there for awhile.

[Roden]

I'll be awake before deadline and can put my vote back if necessary.

[Roden]

Vote me please.

I'm flipping town. You all need cold water thrown on you and if this is the way to do it go for it.

Maestro claimed day 3 before cakez and after i full claimed.

Also you have your order of events messed up. I docced maestro n1, cakez n2

If you're town then we lose, there is no cold water

[Roden]

I was assuming the worst case scenario, but I did forget about the dance party. I don't think Thomith is scum.

[Roden]

I slept on it

I think we should just hit guaranteed scum

VOTE: Maestro

[Roden]

These wagons both suck major ass
Whatever just end the day and we can yeet the scum behind this tomorrow

Maestro literally claimed scum

[Roden]

My vote will not change. Social engagement this evening

Are you trying to no-elim?

[Roden]

Nevermind, you're already on Maestro

[Roden]

I've felt certain that Cakez got converted for awhile

I think he needs to give results today. If he doesn't then it's pretty clear he targeted you last night Titus.

[Roden]

Leaf should also give us his target and their flavor

[Roden]

How did Leaf get No Result on Dan if Drew Rolestopped Cakez?

[Roden]

Bloop?

[Roden]

How did Leaf get No Result on Dan if Drew Rolestopped Cakez?

That was N2, not last night

Also, not a role stop on my target

Maybe I misread but I thought Leaf was giving his N3 results, not N2.

Are you not a Rolestopper?

[Roden]

I missed that it was conditional

[Roden]

It's eerily quiet today

[Roden]

Cakez doing exactly what I said he would do if he were converted is, not particularly surprising

if people want to do a Cakez run we could do it tomorrow or if Dan flips red but not before; I have reasonz for this thx

Hmmm...

[Roden]

If Cakez is group scum, who's his buddy?

[Roden]

I've been convinced that Cakez is just a convert for awhile now, but I get this nagging feeling that maybe he's been trying to perform as one

Maestro attempting to delay Cakez's elim also implies that he's group scum here

[Roden]

My savior Roden, where do we lay our votes today?

You're scaring me lol

[Roden]

It's either Cakez or Dan today

I think Leaf is right that scum is waiting to see what we do though

[Roden]

I went from hard town reading Dan to hard scum reading Dan to soft town reading Dan

His behavior in the final few hours of Day 3 and effort in the dance party PT did a lot to sway me

[Roden]

I went from hard town reading Dan to hard scum reading Dan to soft town reading Dan

His behavior in the final few hours of Day 3 and effort in the dance party PT did a lot to sway me

What specifically about them

His posts in the final few hours are NAI, but in the moment it felt convincingly like frustrated told-you-so town to me. And his effort in the dance party PT felt town-motivated to me, like he got a second lease on life and put in work to benefit town. I genuinely feel like we're in a better spot due to how well he organized everyone's roles and actions; I know it definitely helped me.

None of this is hard evidence of course but it's how I feel about it.

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

That kinda seems like a scum claim

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

Ohhh, hold on, was this towards the end of D3? Dan had put himself in hammer range and publicly asked to die as well.

[Roden]

I think if Dan is converted then he needs to:

-Distract us
-Lead us in the wrong direction about where group scum are
-Be willing to die

I think it's obvious how he would be succeeding in his first goal atm.

If there are no group scum in the FG, the best play would be to argue with the people suggesting that group scum do exist in the FG. I think this town has consistently shown that it will double down on any theories/reads it has when challenged on them, and I think scum would take advantage of that by using reverse psychology. So if Dan is converted, then I don't think Cakez is group scum.

Does Dan want to die? Is he trying to push a viable wagon? I'm not sure what to think.

Dan said to Maestro in the FG that he wanted mae to vote him, to which Mae responded that he can't do that.

Take that as you will

To expand on that(had to go look at the interaction for exact wording), Mae seemed to want to be the lim.

So it seems clear they definitely were looking to fall on the sword to protect someone more powerful?

I know this has been discussed already, but I had forgotten about that back and forth between them........and I don't get why Dan wanted Mae to hammer him.

This is me trying to talk my way through how much I can trust or not trust Dan btw, like from my perspective would Dan and Maw have that theater after I shared so much distrust of basically the whole FG? Was that for Cakez?

Or am I misguided about my distrust of Dan?

I think it makes sense to distrust Dan right now. But he can still be town.

Theatre for Cakez makes no sense because he's had too little impact on the game and he barely even talks about that PT. Like what would theater aimed at town!Cakez even accomplish?

[Roden]

The irony is that if I was more active I would have hammered Dan more than likely lol.

And if Flavor pulled that shit I would say that is a town play, but why would Dan do that

He could be defeated/frustrated town

I have unfortunately seen town Doctors try to self elim before

[Roden]

wait a moment
dan was in hammer range
maestro was on
dan asked maestro to hammer him
and then maestro refused

That seems to be the case

[Roden]

For the record, I unvoted pretty quickly when Dan put himself to E-1

Maestro might not have had enough time to hammer

[Roden]

i mean

keep in mind maestro was traitor
theatre becomes something else when you do not have full night/day talk with a partner

Fair point

[Roden]

OK well final reads:

These people are town:

FL
Drew
Tomith
Cakez

Likely town or at least fade hu first:
Roden

I'd say good luck but I'm not sure I'd mean it aside from aureal tomith and cakez ATM.

VOTE: ActionDan

UNVOTE:

I unvoted exactly one minute after, Maestro didn't have time to hammer

[Roden]

Cakez doing exactly what I said he would do if he were converted is, not particularly surprising

if people want to do a Cakez run we could do it tomorrow or if Dan flips red but not before; I have reasonz for this thx

Hmmm...

Reposting for relevance

[Roden]

Roden, what do you think of Cakez?

I think he's more likely group scum than Dan

Maestro's play makes sense if the point of their shenanigans was to make everyone look at them and Dan and distract us from Cakez.

[Roden]

I am spiritually on Cakez, who currently has four votes and will be at E-1 if I vote him now

[Roden]

VOTE: Cakez

I want to hammer test this actually

[Roden]

Aureal has apparently never rolled scum, so I'm not sure why you think that

[Roden]

You turn to your screens as a new video pops up on YouTube.
Somebody in that video looks surprisingly familiar…

Finley

visited during the IRL stream.

This feels like a cult ability

Huh?

I forgot about that

First thought was that maybe Gamma was distancing so no one thought she was Finley, but that feels unnecessary

I don't think the slot is group scum though, because your results implied Hu Tao was true claiming her role

What exactly did your results say when you investigated her?

[Roden]

I don't think that slot is group scum or initial traitor then

An initial traitor who's using their ability to find group scum just feels bad when most Traitors know their team by default, and if they can lose their ability by being targeted then group scum can inadvertently screw them over if they accidentally target them with the conversion

[Roden]

What makes it a poor answer?

[Roden]

What would you do if you had a follow/observe? Which part appeals to you?

I'd probably look for a converter.

[Roden]

What would you do if you had a follow/observe? Which part appeals to you?

I'd probably look for a converter.

There you go

...Is your case on Theta that she must be scum due to being honest about using her role un-optimally?

[Roden]

I'm extremely annoyed at this game. I have prepared a mountain of evidence, both social and mechanical only to be told no without any real reason by certain slots. If we don't fade Cakez today, I don't frankly see a point where we ever will.

I still think Cakez is the correct elim here.

[Roden]

i will be honest the fact the lists are combined made me confuse what the optimal play for that ability would be

Even if you didn't know whether someone was converted or a convertee, it's still a red check. Or a purple check I guess.

[Roden]

What would you do if you had a follow/observe? Which part appeals to you?

I'd probably look for a converter.

There you go

...Is your case on Theta that she must be scum due to being honest about using her role un-optimally?

It is a poor answer not an immediately damning one. However having played with rautherdir before, a disconnect before between role and thought process would not be a first as scum. And it is not the first in this game.

I'm confused by this thought process, because it equally applies to Cakez, if not more so. Yet you're against his elim.

[Roden]

If you're "dead as fuck" why aren't you attempting to solve? Giving me a reason to townread you.

@Aureal, I don't think that's a correct analysis.

I have been trying to solve and offer reads but it's been really hard because I town read the alternative elimination option and no one is willing to eliminate elsewhere apparently

Who do you want to elim?

[Roden]

I mean, this isn't the first time I've forgotten a major part of my role as town

I was fine with thinking this until the last person who claimed to forget to submit actions flipped purple.

[Roden]

Bianco is confirmed to give coffee/motivate. Do you think group scum has this role?

[Roden]

Theta and Hu Tao are the only ones whose roles are not confirmed, so I could see suspicion there. Game state feels bonkers though if that's the scum team.

[Roden]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'll put this out into the universe for now

[Roden]

VOTE: Cakez

[Roden]

I am too

I voted Hu Tao to see if you and Cakez would follow, but it didn't happen

[Roden]

Day 4.3

ActionDan (4) - Flavor Leaf, Doctor Drew, Hu Tao, Aureal
SirCakez (3) - Titus, Theta Alpine, Roden
Hu Tao (1) - JacksonVirgo
Theta Alpine (1) - SirCakez

Not Voting

- ActionDan, Thomith

Notes

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Day 4

concludes in (expired on 2024-01-28 10:15:45)

I feel like this vote spread is revealing something but I can't figure out what it is

Cakez's scum pool is Theta, JV slot, Hu Tao slot, yet none of them are voting together and are instead pushing different wagons

Maestro doesn't feel particularly attached to any of these three players though

[Roden]

Leaf I forget, did you have results on N1?

[Roden]

Did you target someone?