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Post Post #2225 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:14 am

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In post 2222, Flavor Leaf wrote: Before Maestro did all this, I was ready to end the day voting Maestro.
Any chance that they knew this and decided to play Jester to scare people away?
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Post Post #2226 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:15 am

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i am not sure if scum would think of that actually so
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Post Post #2227 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:15 am

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I don’t think it’s better for Group Scum to go down still
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Post Post #2228 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:16 am

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In post 2221, Theta Alpine wrote: it might be a traitor trying to delay group from dying


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if scum started with a traitor then there are only two people that share the recruit action
if one of them dies then thomiths ability no longer applies to recruit does it

if the choice is between traitor and group scum elim right now
is it actually better for scum to have a group scum flip
Giga brain strats if true
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Post Post #2229 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:17 am

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In post 2225, Roden wrote:
In post 2222, Flavor Leaf wrote: Before Maestro did all this, I was ready to end the day voting Maestro.
Any chance that they knew this and decided to play Jester to scare people away?
Yes.

I say this thinking it was a dumb play since it is confirmed only 1 3rd party in the game.

It says how many hobbyists are in the game.

I don’t think this is most likely, though. I think jester stuff is open trolling
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Post Post #2230 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:17 am

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In post 2224, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2221, Theta Alpine wrote: it might be a traitor trying to delay group from dying


hold on a moment

i just realized something

if scum started with a traitor then there are only two people that share the recruit action
if one of them dies then thomiths ability no longer applies to recruit does it

if the choice is between traitor and group scum elim right now
is it actually better for scum to have a group scum flip
So you’re saying Maestro as group scum purposefully goes down, and then Thomith’s role wouldn’t effect the other Group scum, and scum get to convert?
The way it's worded this may be true
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Post Post #2231 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:18 am

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In post 98, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 29, Radical Rat wrote: Essentially, what I believe massclaiming offers is everyone knowing who they're targeting instead of having to guess if theirs is a role that targets flavor names. Whether this is a net benefit to Town or to Scum depends on the exact roles in play, which we do not know, nor should we be trying to speculate on so early.

However, it is my belief that the chance is worth taking to enforce consistency and accountability.
I have a strong suspicion that the cult can use names to convert. You're nullifying town's advantage by massclaiming so nah.

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This is the only interesting post I can find. I assume he said this because of the real names being listed in the FG. Would a Traitor out this info though?
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Post Post #2232 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:18 am

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They blew up after Dan voted them, though.

Dan self voted after maestro voted.

They’re flowing together 100%.
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Post Post #2233 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:18 am

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It says that any actions shared by multiple acquaintances are prevented from happening

That is paraphrased wording while keeping the same meaning.
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Post Post #2234 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:18 am

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In post 2231, Roden wrote:
In post 98, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 29, Radical Rat wrote: Essentially, what I believe massclaiming offers is everyone knowing who they're targeting instead of having to guess if theirs is a role that targets flavor names. Whether this is a net benefit to Town or to Scum depends on the exact roles in play, which we do not know, nor should we be trying to speculate on so early.

However, it is my belief that the chance is worth taking to enforce consistency and accountability.
I have a strong suspicion that the cult can use names to convert. You're nullifying town's advantage by massclaiming so nah.

VOTE: Rat
This is the only interesting post I can find. I assume he said this because of the real names being listed in the FG. Would a Traitor out this info though?
Would a traitor even know that info?
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Post Post #2235 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:19 am

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In post 2233, Thomith wrote: It says that any actions shared by multiple acquaintances are prevented from happening

That is paraphrased wording while keeping the same meaning.
I'm also given the example of: such as factional actions.
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Post Post #2236 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:19 am

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In post 2233, Thomith wrote: It says that any actions shared by multiple acquaintances are prevented from happening

That is paraphrased wording while keeping the same meaning.
Is it possible this is for the roles like the double Watcher claims or double neighborizer and not factional abilities?
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Post Post #2237 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:21 am

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In post 2236, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2233, Thomith wrote: It says that any actions shared by multiple acquaintances are prevented from happening

That is paraphrased wording while keeping the same meaning.
Is it possible this is for the roles like the double Watcher claims or double neighborizer and not factional abilities?
I'm given "such as factional actions" as an example. Its also the only example I'm given.
thomith could be a court jester

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Post Post #2238 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:21 am

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In post 2227, Flavor Leaf wrote: I don’t think it’s better for Group Scum to go down still
if both are already doomed to be eliminated anyways then group scum going down first would actually let them stay even on their own wincon instead of losing a tempo from thomiths ability

except if we did the group scum and then the second group scum without eliminating the traitor at all of course
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Post Post #2239 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:21 am

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If group scum want to nullify the dance party by only having one group scum, they still never auto win. Even if they have 5 total members now and get dropped down to 4, even if they get another successful conversion and go back up to 5, it's vs 6 town.
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Post Post #2240 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:22 am

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In post 2237, Thomith wrote:
In post 2236, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2233, Thomith wrote: It says that any actions shared by multiple acquaintances are prevented from happening

That is paraphrased wording while keeping the same meaning.
Is it possible this is for the roles like the double Watcher claims or double neighborizer and not factional abilities?
I'm given "such as factional actions" as an example. Its also the only example I'm given.
Unless the recruit isn't a factional ability, but that feels kinda bullshit if true?
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Post Post #2241 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:23 am

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Group scum is still better to hit. I can’t see group scum giving themselves up.
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Post Post #2242 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:23 am

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In post 2234, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2231, Roden wrote:
In post 98, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 29, Radical Rat wrote: Essentially, what I believe massclaiming offers is everyone knowing who they're targeting instead of having to guess if theirs is a role that targets flavor names. Whether this is a net benefit to Town or to Scum depends on the exact roles in play, which we do not know, nor should we be trying to speculate on so early.

However, it is my belief that the chance is worth taking to enforce consistency and accountability.
I have a strong suspicion that the cult can use names to convert. You're nullifying town's advantage by massclaiming so nah.

VOTE: Rat
This is the only interesting post I can find. I assume he said this because of the real names being listed in the FG. Would a Traitor out this info though?
Would a traitor even know that info?
Probably not. Though Kitty explained his reasoning by saying it wasn't a difficult conclusion to come to in the first place. Which I don't disagree with.
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Post Post #2243 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:25 am

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assuming thomith is true claiming

if we do the traitor and then group scum then they cannot win on the group scum elimination
if we do the group scum and then the traitor then they can potentially win after the traitor elimination

however this just means we can just do whichever one first and then if group scum we need to find the other group scum instead of going for traitor


depending on how close they are to winning of course that caution might not be needed
we have no clue how many converts were successful right now
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Post Post #2244 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:25 am

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Do we know exactly when Maestro first claimed their role? Was it before or after NK15's elim?
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Post Post #2245 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:26 am

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I think scum want us to go Maestro.
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Post Post #2246 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:26 am

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In post 2244, Roden wrote: Do we know exactly when Maestro first claimed their role? Was it before or after NK15's elim?
No, I was trying to find that out.
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Post Post #2247 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:26 am

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In post 2245, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think scum want us to go Maestro.
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Post Post #2248 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:27 am

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In post 2247, Thomith wrote:
In post 2245, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think scum want us to go Maestro.
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Post Post #2249 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:29 am

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I kinda wanna townbloc Roden FL Theta for the past few pages.
Trusted FL and Roden already, and I've liked Theta's posting at EoD
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