Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[Flavor Leaf]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor

, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

this has not been shown in the main game thread, so the fact it's happening behind closed doors feels like it's meant to get the rest of you to shade me.

[Doctor Drew]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor

, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

this has not been shown in the main game thread, so the fact it's happening behind closed doors feels like it's meant to get the rest of you to shade me.

Yep....

[Doctor Drew]

Your name has come up quite a bit as of late

[Flavor Leaf]

now that the other game's ended I can say: ffs FLeaf, either commit to something instead of waffling before you make Town lose this game too or realize you're not always going to be able to strongarm your way through a game by yourself. WEhether you like it or not you need others on your side; you need to shut up & follow if you don't know what's up now & then, just my advice...

this is also specifically manipulate and a discredit attempt because in that game, ALL the other townies in that game had the incorrect reads, so it's not even factually true.

Hu Tao and Dunn main scum reads were 2 townies there. Other only townie was Celeb, who was a 50/50 scum slot based on an ELO guilty claim.

I also win majority of my town games, and the ones I don't are generally in similar fashion where I hit 2/3 end day before the game ends.

So yeah, this is purely meant to discredit.

[Flavor Leaf]

Your name has come up quite a bit as of late

i live rent free in scum's heads.

[ActionDan]

That's quite the leap in logic there.

That's also totally not what drew is complaining about and you should know that since you have reading comprehension FL

youre trying to paint this like i'm twisting it or purposefully misrepping it, and that's just not true.

im just saying things about how i see it.

Things as you see them must be quite warped then because its quite simple for both our perspectives. Drew's is just ludicrous.

Order of events:

D2 I claim I know 100% maestro is not converted. Lots of hinting of role including that were I to flip first over nk15 people would be less inclined to think scum is in FG. And that I target in friendgroup and that those ae my preferred targets anyway

D3
I claim cakez Is not converted via a n2 action

Drew claims his n2 action in thread to explain FL No result.

I fully claim role and flavor and ask for a Massclaim

Drew claims role and flavor.

I ask for Drew's n1 target, specifically inquiring if it's maestro also.

End.

[ActionDan]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor

, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

this has not been shown in the main game thread, so the fact it's happening behind closed doors feels like it's meant to get the rest of you to shade me.

I don't know where this comes from. I have only called you town in FG

[Roden]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

If I were in Dan's position, I would feel pretty confident that my action succeeded if I were able to directly target people and not have to guess names. And even if I had doubts, I don't think it's helpful to waffle on whether or not my role is even doing anything in that situation. Dan kinda HAS to show confidence here or he'll look scummy for it.

Also I don't think Blair/Nova are a 100% free conversion? The Ascetic slots real name isn't public yet.

Roden,

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

Can you paraphrase the post in your PT where he said this?

Why would Dan assume it was me that stopped the possible conversion of Maestro if Dan already targeted them with their role?

I assumed nothing of the sort. My question in the PT to you was the equivalent of "You targeted Maestro N1, right?"

Again, why would he assume I targeted maestro?

There was no indication I gave that I did

Wouldn't someone who doesn't know ask some sort of variation of 'who did you target?'

Drew, please paraphrase the post. This shouldn't be difficult.

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 2 Count III

Radical Rat (

E-2

) - ActionDan, Doctor Drew, SirCakez, biancospino, Maestro
Theta Alpine (3) - Titus, Flavor Leaf, Radical Rat
Aureal (1) - Gamma Emerald
ActionDan (1) - Aureal

Not Voting

- Theta Alpine, Roden, Thomith

I think there’s scum on Rat here.

Scum is 100% on this Rat wagon at this time.

it's literally the entire FG.

[ActionDan]

But yeah personally I think you guys are throwing if you are town so I wash my hands of this game.

I have only speculated you are Finley in fg. Because you didn't give your n1 Flavor cop target when you claimed.

[Roden]

That's quite the leap in logic there.

That's also totally not what drew is complaining about and you should know that since you have reading comprehension FL

youre trying to paint this like i'm twisting it or purposefully misrepping it, and that's just not true.

im just saying things about how i see it.

Things as you see them must be quite warped then because its quite simple for both our perspectives. Drew's is just ludicrous.

Order of events:

D2 I claim I know 100% maestro is not converted. Lots of hinting of role including that were I to flip first over nk15 people would be less inclined to think scum is in FG. And that I target in friendgroup and that those ae my preferred targets anyway

D3
I claim cakez Is not converted via a n2 action

Drew claims his n2 action in thread to explain FL No result.

I fully claim role and flavor and ask for a Massclaim

Drew claims role and flavor.

I ask for Drew's n1 target, specifically inquiring if it's maestro also.

End.

Wait so nobody in the FG chat even knew you could stop conversions until recently?

[ActionDan]

I mean it wasn't rocket science. I claimed my targets and that I knew they weren't converted. The only thing I preserved was the slim possibly I could be a cop. I made it formal after Drew's claim in thread

[Roden]

So...Drew is just scum reading you because he thought that you soft claiming your role meant you were actually spewing TMI

Wow

[ActionDan]

like on top of that, NK15's role implies it might even be a group scum in there not the traitor.


and that seems like a a way for scum to know at least a select few names that they could convert and know who they converted at the risk of having to get punished by aiming in there.

Drew claimed an action that rolestops actions (i have confirmation of this one). Dan stops conversions. Assuming it's Maestro that Punishes if scum convert based on Cakez being the one attacked.

That doesn't make sense. But Dan can't have been converted either?

Drew, you stop all actions that come towards your target? This means 2 of you can stop conversions within that, and the other of you punish scum if they converse.

that's not an all town group.

It could even be Group Scum + Traitor.

If Dan is scum, they are always Group scum here.

This is a leap in logic. Also I'm pretty sure I asked this question of you whether there could be 2 scum in FG as aureal suggests earlier. I'll take this as an answer.

You are deciding there is likely 2 scum in fg because... you think the group was designed for a group scum so scum target in it and deservedly get foiled? Add in traitor just b/c. To me that seems cynical when there are at least two other names confirmed that would do the same thing if targeted plus other claimed roles which try to stop conversions. The only thing thats special about us is that the majority of us target ourselves which imo has obvious flavor implications. Minus 3rd party this game is 11-3 split with conversions. Town barely has power aside maybe Titus maybe yourself.

I will grant you nk15 role seems like on a surface level would imply PT using scum, but their are perfectly valid explanations for this and it has been discussed.

So yes this "there are 2 scum" in fg is a leap.

As is your new found assertion that I'm scummy. Where did that one come from?

[ActionDan]

So...Drew is just scum reading you because he thought that you soft claiming your role meant you were actually spewing TMI

Wow

This isn't it either.

He's claiming TMI because he has it in his head I should not have assumed his n1 target was maestro. I still rightly can't say why. He thinks Maestro was unsuccessfully converted by me, and I spewed that by believing his role had something to do with it.

\_o_/

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont think i ever said 'likely 2 scum'. I'm looking over that possibility for sure, but if you look at my wording, i specifically said 'it could

even

be 2 scum'. I'm not 100% opposed to the idea that it's all town, but based on setup spec and play, I don't believe that to be the case here.

Minimizing what I'm saying to 'likely 2 scum' is more of a leap in logic to whatever i was being told i was leaping over.

still dont see my leap, though

[Flavor Leaf]

maestro also pushed Radical for calling it a 'pseudo masonry', which seems protective of the FG in a non-town way.

[ActionDan]

I suppose you didn't say that though it certainly feels this way with the hard push of me plus maestro. You know what I retract my assertion. Partially. I do think it's cynical still. Why must there be some wolf in the hen house when it looks just as equally like a group of friends trying not be converted and sticking together. Imo this is a case of your reads informing your logic. As mine are informing me about the group dynamic.

You are welcome to explain where I became scummy to you though.

[biancospino]

maestro also pushed Radical for calling it a 'pseudo masonry', which seems protective of the FG in a non-town way.

That makes no sense thou. I see no reason why scum!Maestro wouldn't be happy to let FG be considered a masonry. Why would the contrary be in any way "protective"?

VOTE: Cakez

[Flavor Leaf]

maestro also pushed Radical for calling it a 'pseudo masonry', which seems protective of the FG in a non-town way.

That makes no sense thou. I see no reason why scum!Maestro wouldn't be happy to let FG be considered a masonry. Why would the contrary be in any way "protective"?

VOTE: Cakez

Yeah, maybe. They’ve also been pushing Cakez

Something just felt fake about it

[ActionDan]

You know what Drew's role's stipulation/limitation defeats the purpose of a group scum converter inside fg as much as nk15 implies one.

We aren't fading cakez.

[Roden]

Leaf have you given the result from your Coffee shot yet?

[Flavor Leaf]

Leaf have you given the result from your Coffee shot yet?

Nah, I needed to wait for something for it. I could probs claim it, but it’ll change the direction of the game dramatically, and I’m not 100% sure I want that right now.

[ActionDan]

The current gamestate is murder and dismantle FG until you hit scum. Anything is better.

I read aureal, and I a tadddddd softer on that. Still irked by thoughts like "Dan is an unimpressive player" while not particularly doing much themselves by their own admission d1. Tiny bit hypocritical.

And "he's aggressively leading fades". That's my prerogative if I think someone is scum. If you don't like it attack my argument which wasn't done (it was rather simple).

The vote on me still smells of OMGUS.

But a couple of towny things; attempting to point a logical disconnect in titus's posting looked more a town argument than scum because I just don't think scum would bother.

It is true and correctedly pointed out that Titus posting d2 was better than d1.

The fact maestro is a town read is unexpected for scum in aureal's position.

Ofc why Thomith is a null read is questionable. Why Thomith would not be a universal town for anyone is questionable to be blunt. That's a freebie.

Theta being a townread because of agreeing with their mech reasoning feels a little hollow but then again I was happy to townread celebolki for 2 posts.

I think it is reasonable to scum read bianco then null basket for role.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont think bianco claims coffee if they are scum unless trying to pocket me. very least, i dont think they're group scum with that ability.