Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!
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I have posted less than either.beanbagboy wrote:Albert does seem... lurky. But I'm in another game with him (Mini 449) in which he is doing exactly the same. Again, we're both alive, but it does seem consistent.
Jack has brought up an interesting point, Yogurt barely has posted, even more so than Albert. If we're going after non contributers,Unvote: Jack, Vote: YogurtBandit
fosbeanbagboy. You seem to want to follow.-
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Frankly I don't see why heGlork wrote:I'm not in favor of a meta-lynch of BM either. I'm in favor of getting him to adapt his playstyle so that he isn't practicallyalwaysan immediate suspectisalways an immediate suspect and such people are useful as scum-bait anyway. The town just has to be smart enough to not speed lynch them.-
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I said I "didn't find you pro townie" so it was more of a feeling based on your posts. It's not more than a feeling because I can't reread (at work). Same goes for those other questions. I got the feeling you were faking your suspicions like scum do.Glork wrote:
...which, I will note, we didn't do. (Speed-lynch BM, that is.)Jack wrote:
Frankly I don't see why heGlork wrote:I'm not in favor of a meta-lynch of BM either. I'm in favor of getting him to adapt his playstyle so that he isn't practicallyalwaysan immediate suspectisalways an immediate suspect and such people are useful as scum-bait anyway. The town just has to be smart enough to not speed lynch them.
But no, I agree with TCS that it tends to be distracting much more often than helpful. Your suspicion of me, as far as I can tell, stems from our difference in philosophies regarding this matter. Stating that you disagree with my stance/points on a general metagame topic does not equate to thinking somebody is scum.
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No one is voting you. I would call this overdefensive.Glork wrote:
Because I often see bogus wagons spring up this way. Two or three players get "feelings" or "vibes." Somebody else (a scumbag) decides to "agree."Jack wrote:
Why are you so eager to?Glork wrote:Shteven/Jack: If you could quote exactly which posts/lines you find off-base andwhyyou don't like them, then perhaps I could actually respond to your inklings.-
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You said it was interesting and then voted him. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together, and the implication is clear there.Glork wrote:
No. I was attacking MBL for calling the SV kill "odd."Jack wrote:
This is exactly what you were attacking MBL for.Glork wrote:But if Albert thought they were "two of the best," that would certainly give him incentive to kill one of them.Vote:Glork
...and I kept it there for his refusing to explain why he thought it was odd.
No.
You said alberts comment was interesting, since he said they were two of the best, and implied that he might have killed them as scum for that reason. This is clearly nightkill choice speculation.Glork wrote:MBL seems to want to begin the often-fruitless process of "nightkill choice speculation." The only ones among us who could have any legitimate insight into the scums' kills would be the scums themselves. MBL is experienced enough to know by now that talking about N1 kills (especially in a night-start game) is rarely (if ever) useful.
I'm not. I think your nightkill speculation given earlier comments is fake and scummy.Don't paint my primary reason for voting Albert as being his early-game comments. It is a known that lamentation (or celebration) over night-deaths is a common scumtell, and that is what I was getting at. Either way my main reason for voting for Albert is his bandwagony nature. Donotstrawman me, Jack.
EBWODP: In fact, note, Jack, that I didn't even call it scummy what Albert did. I called it INTERESTING. That part of the paragraph was more my thinking aloud as to whether Albert's initial comments were significant -- whether he was trying to be the "good little townie" by being sad about the "good scumhunters" who died.-
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Fudged the quotes on that last:
No.Glork wrote:
No. I was attacking MBL for calling the SV kill "odd."Jack wrote:
This is exactly what you were attacking MBL for.Glork wrote:But if Albert thought they were "two of the best," that would certainly give him incentive to kill one of them.Vote:Glork
...and I kept it there for his refusing to explain why he thought it was odd.
You said alberts comment was interesting, since he said they were two of the best, and implied that he might have killed them as scum for that reason. This is clearly nightkill choice speculation.Glork wrote:MBL seems to want to begin the often-fruitless process of "nightkill choice speculation." The only ones among us who could have any legitimate insight into the scums' kills would be the scums themselves. MBL is experienced enough to know by now that talking about N1 kills (especially in a night-start game) is rarely (if ever) useful.
I'm not. I think your nightkill speculation given earlier comments is fake and scummy.Don't paint my primary reason for voting Albert as being his early-game comments. It is a known that lamentation (or celebration) over night-deaths is a common scumtell, and that is what I was getting at. Either way my main reason for voting for Albert is his bandwagony nature. Donotstrawman me, Jack.
You said it was interesting and then voted him. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together, and the implication is clear there.[/quote]EBWODP: In fact, note, Jack, that I didn't even call it scummy what Albert did. I called it INTERESTING. That part of the paragraph was more my thinking aloud as to whether Albert's initial comments were significant -- whether he was trying to be the "good little townie" by being sad about the "good scumhunters" who died.-
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So was it interesting or was it scummy? Last post you emphasized that you hadn't said it was scummy only interesting, now you say you pointed it out because it's a scum tell. But if it's a scum tell then it would have been scummy. You're backtracking.
@Billy: the rest of glork's case doesn't concern me. I said nothing about it.-
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What?Albert B. Rampage wrote:
BS.MrBuddyLee wrote:
This comment seems to assume the accused is town.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:It's better to get lynched than claim vanilla. FYI.FOS: TCS
Unvote, vote MBL
Even if you disagree his comment makes sense. For mafia it is clearly not better to get lynched than claim vanilla, So that comment indicates townieness. I disagree with MBL because you could still make that comment while being unsure of Albert's aligment, making the comment on the off chance he was town for example.
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That was a response. You didn't say the response had to make sense.YogurtBandit wrote:
This is not the time to be immature, Innocent pepole are being killed. Respond. Its not like you cant respond to it.Jack wrote:
I am a walrusYogurtBandit wrote:
You didnt respond to my post about youJack wrote:That's a weird conversation.
But really, like I said before, I like to make ingame notes. It's more open than private notes so why do you mind? You can just ignore them.
When I see something concrete I'll go for it.
Also, beanbagboy, why are you discussion who might be masons? Do you also want to discuss who might be cop?-
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Uh, no. Innocent people are not dying. This is what we call a g-a-m-e. I'll say whatever I want. What is the purpose of persuing me? I told you if I had something to say I would say it. You can't really explain gut feelings. You're just wasting space.YogurtBandit wrote:
First, you only barely mentioned this.Jack wrote: But really, like I said before, I like to make ingame notes. It's more open than private notes so why do you mind? You can just ignore them.
Second, You just dont go around Lurking for a day, then posting a "I think that last post was suspicous." Especially, when you dont say why. If you're going to accuse pepole of doing somehting, tell them what they did wrong, and why they received your suspicion. If you dont tell us, how can we agree with you/Disagree with you? Just tell us, its not a problem. If you think someone is going to suspect you because you contribute to the town, stop thinking that. We want to know everything. It looks more suspicous if you barely contribute good content. Also, dont kid around. As I afore mentioned, Innocent pepole are dying. This not the time for pepole to laugh, Which means you need to stop cracking jokes at everyone. I dont mean for you to be extremely serious, you can be somewhat lightheartyed yes, but dont goof off. So until you start making good and or strong posts, and stop goofing off,
Vote: Jack-
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I'd like to wait a bit before doing a reread to cut down on the number I have to do.Jack: What are your thoughts on Guardian at this point? (Oh, preview edit: I didn't realize that posts had been made since my last post, and Jack clearly said that he has doubts but doesn't remember why. Jack, I'd still like you to look back and *try* to explain your feelings as best as you can.)
Using the search, I found his 12th post scummy (would have to reread to see why, thing is was oppurtunistic or keeping his options open) and his reply to my votereallysounds like scum upset at being found scummy.
He expresses a feeling a lot like what I feel when I"m scum and someone votes me. "I was just giving my thoughts...where did I go wrong?" kind of thing.Jack, I am completely clueless as to why, but ok. I try and post almost every time I read a game thread... those were my only thoughts at the time.-
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I think TCS is just being deliberately scummy, it seems like something he'd do. Doesn't mean he isn't actually scum.
AE seems a little insincere compared with last game. Like she's trying to copy her style but isn't quite succesful. Will wait and see on this one.
So your reread and pbpa had no chance of changing your mind on TCS, you had already decided you were going to vote him?YogurtBandit wrote:You're welcome. Why am I picking random pepole from pbpa's? Well, Because I can. I dont see a problem of randomly doing it. I knew it needed a re-read of the thread, so I figured, why not start pbpa'ing? Besides, its not like its a crime.I pbpa'ed TCS because I have a vote on him so i could explain my vote. MBL was randomly chosen. My top 3? TCS, number 1, if you read my Pbpa. Its a lot of scattered names for 2 and 3, Like Shteven, Bm, Albert ETC. But, Right now, my vote is on TCS.
Scum like to do things "for no particular reason, just randomly" because then they don't have to provide any justification.-
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The thing is Yogurt, pbpa's are what you use when you want to convince other people that someone is scum (I was thinking it was odd that you would do a pbpa on someone you already were voting but it isn't really). But you should only try and convince people that someone is scum ifyouare convinced that they are scum, and I can't see how you can be convinced that TCS is scum. I also think your pbpa's don't have real substance and are intended to distract the town and make you look protown.-
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Okay, im doing a post by Post Analysis of Random pepoles. First, Who I have my vote on, TCS.I did a pbpa on TCS to show why I thought he was scum and to show others of his scummy posts.New Pbpa, This time on MBL( No specific reason, just picking randomly
Right, leaving out my bias against pbpa's, this is clearly backtrackingMbl I did because while it apppeared his posts were scummy, they really were not if you dug deeper into what MBL was trying to say, it was really town.Vote:yogurtBandit. I'm still not sureexactlywhat it is about your pbpa's that makes them so scummy. Maybe someone else can help me put my finger on that.-
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You said it was random, and then you said it was for a specific reason, and now you are saying it was random again. You are changing your story under scrutiny.I just look at the list and say " Oh, maybe I should do a pbpa on Him/her" and then start writing about them. Jack, If you could explain what makes it soo scummy, that would be really nice, because quite frankly, I do not.-
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They don't have to be scum together.Jack: As I pointed out in my re-read, after YB was connected to Guardian by other players, Guardian made a very clear and distinct defense of YB in stating that he found YB to be pro-town. Do you think that Guardian would knowingly and intentionally do this at that point in time if both of them were scum?
I haven't reread, but I don't see why he couldn't do it as scum. Rather wifom.-
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Yos I really don't see what you are getting at. I assume people are town all the time as town, and speak from that perspective. In this game even scum don't know for sure who is town. You seem to be pushing a really bad case on albert here.Yosarian2 wrote:So, you believe him because you think he's pro-town, without being able to explain why, and because of that you think it's scummy AE dosn't believe him? Isn't that kind of a circular argument?-
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