MBL, wtf?YogurtBandit wrote:Uh, I was at -5.Mastermind of Sin wrote:Yea, I didn't realize he was at -1. I'llunvoteto give MBL a chance to finish and let YB claim first.
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You guys just can't end a Day...[/agitated]
On the brighter side, HungryJoe also seems to be scum.HungryJoe wrote:Wow. Um, Billy. That's a pretty freakin' awesome post. I think I'm sold on YB being scum here (not like it takes much convincing, the way he's been acting), but unless YB comes up as scum, I'm not sure that Guardian is scum here. He's under a lot of scrutiny, sure, but I don't think he's that unsensible, and while he's obviously something to watch, I still think TCS looks a lot worse than Guardian, really.
Anywho, I'm still quite convinced of YB at this point.
Vote : YogurtBandit
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Guardian – 5 – Battle Mage, HackerHuck, inHimshallibe, Shteven, AutumnEvenings
YogurtBandit – 5 – Plessiez, Billy Twilight, HungryJoe, Jack, Mastermind of Sin
Albert B. Rampage – 2 – Yosarian2, Guardian
Glork – 2 – MrBuddyLee, johhan
Shteven – 2 – Glork, Albert B. Rampage
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I'll thin it down to the scummy part:
(And here you all thought I'd just repost the quote in its entirety.)I think I'm sold on YB being scum here (not like it takes much convincing, the way he's been acting)
High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.YogurtBandit wrote:Explain that to me.Show"I'm from Indiana. I know what you're thinking: Indiana... Mafia." - Jim Gaffigan
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What I'm expecting to see before I read D1:
Yogurt: Goofball, gets indignant and OMGUSsy if he's town being accused.
Guardian: dunno
Albert: dunno
BM: Irrational but sincere
Glork: Irrational and manic, possibly indifferentish
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Aren't these two statements equivalent? I was concerned that you'd push your responsibility for your vote on someone else, and in the next sentence you vote someone for soing the same thing.I could definitely be convinced to get back on BM. At the moment I shall
vote: N9V because he made one post with a vote and used someone else's reasoning for it
"Ok, I took an hour or two to think." really? If so, I'm impressed.
It looks like you added "for the town" at the last minute here. Without it, the sentence would look scummy. Question is, would both town and scum be equally likely to modify that sentence?Guardian wrote:Albert, like I said earlier, is an appealing play for the town if only because he has already claimed vanilla.
Slip of the tongue?Guardian wrote:Albert I have little qualms about because he made an unforced vanilla townie claim earlier, he is not contributing much to the town, andhas given us many reasons to think we are scum.
Not the world's best argument.Guardian wrote:he is a claimed vanilla that, if not mafia, the mafia will let hang around for the whole game to try and get him lynched later
How do you know Albert's not the SK?Guardian wrote:Is coming up with cases on people you know not to be your scum buddies difficult? You could at least help us find the SK.
And again.Albert is just trying to distract people from himself, to the detriment of the town, or to help his team if he is scum.
And again. Trying to convince Glork he's not part of a scumteam instead of trying to convince Glork he's not scummy (which would include SK).Glork, do you find Albert scummy? If so, doesn't it strike you as odd that I find Albert and Shteven scummy, and that I would be scum? I mean maybe this is WIFOM because thier allignments are not confirmed, but I am just trying to find scum like all the other town players...
Summary: Sounded townish at first, I was about to say keep him around cause he's trying hard, but there are an awful lot of SK tells in there.
Albert (who's alt is this? RR?)
The opposite of the famous doc tell. Scummy.Damnit, some of the 2 best players are out...cunning mafia.
Sketchy.ol guys, c'mon, history has taught us that BM is always townie
Albert protected TCS twice and voted me for FOSing TCS, lol.
Curious.The truth is I was really looking forward to playing with JDodge and SpectrumVoid, but alas I am stuck with the likes of BM and you. And so I'm bored.
Terrible.But Glork, why would who I think is scummy matter, when there are more experienced players who can more easily find the scum ?
Unoriginal.I miss the simple times when we could just all follow Glork and if he mislead us we would chop his head off and elect a new leader.
Crappy reasons for voting in general.
Feels too obvious to be scum outing their partners, but of course could be WIFOM. Noted for later.As a mafia, I tend to attack my scumbuddies and go hard after them. So in this case, probably Stcevhen(whatever his name is) or AE.
Whoever's experiment this alt is in clever new personalities, euthanize it. I can't tell if you're scummy or just kinda knuckleheaded, but I can't see you moving the game forward in any way right now.
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Reckless.i didnt like Guardians last post. i havent checked this game in quite a while, and i can barely remember why i was voting for YB, so Guardian will suffice as the play for today.
bleh, not much else to go on. Seems borderline townish.
Glork
Came out of the blocks playing seriously. This tells me two things:
1) He's probably not the SK. Cause he's making himself a target instead of playing screwball.
2) He's seemingly not as afraid of being NKed as usual. Possible scumtell.
I read it all and don't need to pbpa it... we want to keep Glork around. Glork, if you're scum please don't NK me. Kill Guardian instead.
Yogurt
Yeah, goofy but earnest. A few dumb things like mason speculation etc, but I get a nonmanipulative read. I saw a huge difference in Yogurt town and Yogurt scum in scumchat and this looks more like town.
Someday this will get you in a lot of trouble, LOL. Not this game though.Well, I dont think MBL is scum at all. I dont think there are any signs of it.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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You draw interesting links between me and Albert. That slip of the tongue i made is very interesting, it would imply that Albert and I were scum buddies was it not just a slip of the tongue...
You then say I am likely the SK. I don't get the argument there. Well, like, I kind of get it, but at this point in mafia I'm sure I understand what SK tells are, and I have never been the SK on the forum so I don't know what the change in strategy would be like. I just defended against being mafia because for me mafia tells are associations with other players, and also being mafia is more likely than being SK so it's better to defend against.
One thing I am happy to note is your defense of YB. I agree with you there.Do not lynch me.
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I just reread everything since June 12th cause that's when I plunked down my previous analysis of a few of yall. Since then, Billy made a very well written and voluminous but not particularly persuasive argument against Yogurt. He essentially attacked Yogurt for being Yogurt, with a few nitpicky things thrown in. I'd be interested in seeing Billy make a comparative post analyzing Albert's behavior vs. Yogurt's.
FOS: Hungry Joe, Shteven
Minor FOS: Jack and Huck for being lazy, MoS for being hardheaded about a lot of things.
prod: BM, johann and plessiez for being nonentities
In other news, Inhim makes a whole lotta sense. Autumn comes across geniunely as well.
I need to look at voting patterns before I place my vote. Here's the thing--everyone in this game's hunting scum:
* Scum's hunting the SK
* SK's hunting the scum
* Town's hunting all the scumbags.
The things to look for that would differentiate them:
* Scum may choose to protect one of their own who gets in trouble (via vote manipulation) or rush other lynches if one of their weak sheep is on the schneide. They have the potential to sound awkward when talking about three other people: the ones whose alignments they already know.
* SK may lie a little lower than average for purposes of self-preservation. Can't win if the scum get to you first, let alone town.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Call it a hunch, butvote: Glork. If one of Yogurt/Guardian were to be scum with him, I would probably have to go with Guardian.
I'm extremely uneasy when a player of Glork's reputation makes a comment to the effect of "I could lynch X or Y" without much accompanying analysis or opinion. In fact, the last time that Glork did so in a game I was in, he was scum, and one of the two players he mentioned was scum with him. That Glork mentioned he could go for a Shteven or Guardian lynch makes me think that should Glork come up mafia, Shteven is town and Guardian is scum.
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So you're saying you'd rather vote for who everyone else is voting than who you think is suspicous? Dude, stick to your own things, There's no use in voting someone because everyone else has unless you're sure that person is scum.So you're saying if someone were to unvote and Vote Guardian, you would switch your vote too?inHimshallibe wrote:
High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.YogurtBandit wrote:Explain that to me.
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@MBL:
I realize it's just a fos, but if you could mention what it was that makes you question me I'll do my best to respond. Something in the reread, I assume. The "non-entities" are certainly an issue, but I imagine the mods will find replacements as needed, sometimes it takes a few days You had some decent highlights of guardian, although I have to wonder why you didn't come to any conclusions at all at the end of his post. Instead you ended it with a "joke" of sorts.
Let's compare his two last posts:
Followed by a good deal of quotes/thoughts, yetYogurt: Goofball, gets indignant and OMGUSsy if he's town being accused.
Guardian: dunno
Albert: dunno
BM: Irrational but sincere
Glork: Irrational and manic, possibly indifferentishabsolutely no votes or even FOS.5 targets who have recieved a great deal of attention, several of them the more active players, but doesn't take a single stand on any of them.
Followed by his second post where:
Now either he's confused, or he wants to analyize the popular choices without actually pushing them any further towards danger?I just reread everything since June 12th cause that's when I plunked down my previous analysis of a few of yall. Since then, Billy made a very well written and voluminous but not particularly persuasive argument against Yogurt. He essentially attacked Yogurt for being Yogurt, with a few nitpicky things thrown in. I'd be interested in seeing Billy make a comparative post analyzing Albert's behavior vs. Yogurt's.
FOS: Hungry Joe, Shteven
Minor FOS: Jack and Huck for being lazy, MoS for being hardheaded about a lot of things.
Worth at least aFOS: MBL
In other news...
As far as today's wagons go, I'm not completely sold on YB. He certainly seems suspicious to me, but I'm wondering if it's more his posting style than actual scumtells. I'm still in favor of a Guardian lynch. It will be very hard to get a lynch if we have two wagons both with high votes, for the simple fact that we need a majority."I'm like the customer support line for life."
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Reading is fundamental, Shteven.
I posted my approximate placement of 15 players via comments, FOSes etc last night, and that's after full reads on 15/20 people in two previous posts. If you're not clever enough to figure out how I rank people based on all that, you may need to take up a new hobby, like creating dioramas of Spike TV shows.
This jury's still out.I need to look at voting patterns before I place my vote.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Read between the lines, Yos, plus a few direct statements:
Albert wrote:I must have heard that a thousand times over on this site, jack.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I miss the simple times when we could just all follow Glork and if he mislead us we would chop his head off and elect a new leader.dialing in mildly protown reads since 2006-
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Eh, it kind ofYogurtBandit wrote:
So you're saying you'd rather vote for who everyone else is voting than who you think is suspicous? Dude, stick to your own things, There's no use in voting someone because everyone else has unless you're sure that person is scum.So you're saying if someone were to unvote and Vote Guardian, you would switch your vote too?inHimshallibe wrote:
High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.YogurtBandit wrote:Explain that to me.issticking to my own thing. I have gotten some pretty decent first impressions on players in this game, have voiced a lot of my suspicions, and have made some disclosed notes, too. This Day 1 has gone on plenty long, there is a whole lot of content to start piecing things together when we have more information, and I'm not going to lose any sleep because I thought it ended way too quickly. When it's ready to end, the Day will end, it's just kind of natural (and in this case with a little boost behind it, i.e. my vote). If I think the leading bandwagon is detrimental, I'll avoid it, but those cases will be few and far between on Day 1.
Eww, inHim is fine, thanks.Fos:IHSIB
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I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.Glork wrote:TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.
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no. i owe you guys a reread. but it would make things a lot easier, if a couple people could briefly outline the cases for Guardian and YB, and also summarise anything awesomely outrageous that has occured.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Tell me, was this RR player good ?
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1) Ah, I remember now. But the situation in that game was fundamentally different than what we have here.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.Glork wrote:TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.
I know you can make the argument that you play the same all the time, but that's simply not the case, because you explicitly played differently as a survivor in McDonald's mafia.
--a) It was a Newbie game. I could get a way with a lot more, since newbie players wouldn't be able to see the "he's presenting two players as approximately equal but ultimately shows a preference for a probable mislynch" tell. This game has several experienced (and talented) players. I would not be able to get away with the same maneuver here.
--b) That game was in LyLo. This game is in Day One. Once I "showed a preference for" that mislynch, the game was over. Nobody could come back on a later day and say that I was trying to distance from my scumbuddy. Were I in fact scum with one of the two players you mentioned, I would probably be called on it sooner or later.
2) You've never played a role that requires you to survive, have you? Survivor, SK, role-with-a-Survivor-condition... they require a different style of play altogether. Why? Because no matter what you do, no matter how many correct lynches or mislynhces the town as a whole attains, no matter what plans you lay out to drive yourself to victory -- it all meansnothingif you are killed. Lights Out 1 had a "you must survive to actually win" mechanic for all players, and I freely and readily admitted that I was playing a strategy which I felt would help me survive to the late-game stages. You've tried to pre-empt a possible defense by saying that I've played a different strategy as a Survivor, but you seem to have missed the fact thatplaying a Survivor requires a different strategy altogether.
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