Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!

[YogurtBandit]

Hmm, What I am starting to see is that of the 3 Bandwagons one will be lynched because of time. In that case, we should wait until Guardian gets back so we can have Me, Shteven and Guardian all place their suspicons. If one of us is going to be lynched because of time and for the sake of the town, we should all place our suspicons. Even mafia, Who can suspect an Sk and Vice Versa.(Altough its basically a wild guess, since Scum dont know who each other are) But maybe the info would still be good for a possible NK? I dont think pepole who are about to be lynched would Buss though.. I will probably put my suspicons soon, and I hope that shteven will do the same. Unfourtaely, Guardian IS gone until July 8th, so we either wait for him (we can) or Lynch someone. I would perfer we hear from Guardian if we plan on lynching him anyways, because we must know the final suspicons of us 3.

Prod Hungry Joe

Please, he hasn't said anything and he does have a vote on me, so I'd like to hear from him and stuff.

Will everyone voting me and everyone suspicous of me please read by defense of BT's pbpa?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I've debunked his entire argument by proving his assumptions wrong. Whether the statistics or the logic are sound or significant is immaterial, if the foundation on which it is based is inherently flawed.

Your recalculations still prove you to be better than random at finding scum, so it doesn't really debunk his argument...

[Glork]

I've debunked his entire argument by proving his assumptions wrong. Whether the statistics or the logic are sound or significant is immaterial, if the foundation on which it is based is inherently flawed.

Your recalculations still prove you to be better than random at finding scum, so it doesn't really debunk his argument...

I disagree. His entire point is that it was likely that I was scum based solely on the fact that I suspected him, and he claimed to be pro-town. He claimed to have 80% certainty that I am scum, and posited that anybody who thinks he is probably pro-town should have approximately 60% certainty that I am scum. I completely dismantled that conclusion.

He certainly hasn't presented alternative resaoning for believing I am scum, and he seems to have accepted that I refuted his argument. Why are you arguing the semantics of my defense rather than hunting scum? Do you think that I'm scum based on his argument? Do you think that I'm scum based on my defense against his argument?



Nevertheless, I still maintain that Burden of Proficiency is a ridiculous fallacy. "You're not finding scum, so you must be scum" has no legitimate logical basis behind it.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I've debunked his entire argument by proving his assumptions wrong. Whether the statistics or the logic are sound or significant is immaterial, if the foundation on which it is based is inherently flawed.

Your recalculations still prove you to be better than random at finding scum, so it doesn't really debunk his argument...

I disagree. His entire point is that it was likely that I was scum based solely on the fact that I suspected him, and he claimed to be pro-town. He claimed to have 80% certainty that I am scum, and posited that anybody who thinks he is probably pro-town should have approximately 60% certainty that I am scum. I completely dismantled that conclusion.

He certainly hasn't presented alternative resaoning for believing I am scum, and he seems to have accepted that I refuted his argument. Why are you arguing the semantics of my defense rather than hunting scum?

Are you implying that I am not hunting scum? I'd really like to see you justify that one, since I've been pushing the YB wagon since replacing into the game and have commented on nearly every player so far.

As far as his argument, I read it differently than you, which is why I asked you those questions. From your apparent interpretation of his argument, your actions make sense. From mine, not really, but I could easily have misread his argument, and it's not that big a deal.

Do you think that I'm scum based on his argument? Do you think that I'm scum based on my defense against his argument?

I'm not particularly suspicious of you, although your insistent pushing of the Shteven wagon doesn't sit well with me, since you:
a) seem to be ignoring the other wagons as far as I can tell
and b) are pushing a wagon on someone that I read as very protown.

Nevertheless, I still maintain that Burden of Proficiency is a ridiculous fallacy. "You're not finding scum, so you must be scum" has no legitimate logical basis behind it.

Agreed.

[Glork]

If you've been paying attention, you'd know that I've reluctantly agreed that failing a Shteven lynch, I'm willing to support a YB lynch. I have also expressed dissatisfaction with Guardian's play. So no, I'm not ignoring the other wagons. I'm just homing in somebody that I have been reading as scummy.


What exactly about Shteven's play strikes you as being "very protown"? Could you link/quote specific posts, please?

[Guardian]

Stop lynching YB I'm sure he's town his play is very very consistent with YB town play.

Lynch Jack, or BM, or Shteven. They all feel like scum. Crucify Albert for claiming vanilla earlier.

The beach is awesome!!!

[YogurtBandit]

Stop lynching YB I'm sure he's town his play is very very consistent with YB town play.

Lynch Jack, or BM, or Shteven. They all feel like scum. Crucify Albert for claiming vanilla earlier.

The beach is awesome!!!

Guardian, Glad to hear you're having fun. Isee you've told us your suspicons.

Mine will come soon, and I expect Shtevens to follow.

[Sarcastro]

Stop lynching YB I'm sure he's town his play is very very consistent with YB town play.

Would you (or YB or anybody) care to provide any proof of this assertion?

[Jack]

He seems consistent with his scum play to me.

[YogurtBandit]

Stop lynching YB I'm sure he's town his play is very very consistent with YB town play.

Would you (or YB or anybody) care to provide any proof of this assertion?

Um ,See post 1125 and my defense of the pbpa by Billy.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Shtevens posts seem very genuine and insightful, making a lot of serious contributions to the game. There are probably specific examples, but he has a lot of posts and I don't have a lot of time.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I have chosen this game to be the subject of an experiment, if you would be kind enough to comply. I would like everyone to post

at least

one thing that you find suspicious of me so far this game. If you don't have anything other than what's been said, that's ok, say it anyways. This game seems ideal to test this, because I don't recall a lot of people being that suspicious of me since I replaced into the game.

[YogurtBandit]

I have chosen this game to be the subject of an experiment, if you would be kind enough to comply. I would like everyone to post

at least

one thing that you find suspicious of me so far this game. If you don't have anything other than what's been said, that's ok, say it anyways. This game seems ideal to test this, because I don't recall a lot of people being that suspicious of me since I replaced into the game.

Well, I think You are scum in a way or Connected with Twilight somehow.

[Guardian]

MoS, you asked us to be suspicious of you just then. Scummy.

Also, what the hell were you asking me for vaious "first things that came to mind" the other week before Mosfaire? Just wondering.

Jack, have you ever played with YB? I have like 3 or 4 times and he seems like town YB.

[Yosarian2]

Hmm...well, that's kind of an odd question. You don't look all that scummy to me at the moment, MOS. One thing I did note was this:

Yos defends BM's bad play, not seeing why he thinks BM's logic was any good, because it really wasn't. Really gungho attack on Glork, not seeing this at all.

Which made me consider you as having a possible link to Glork, if he turns out to be scum.

[Sarcastro]

Stop lynching YB I'm sure he's town his play is very very consistent with YB town play.

Would you (or YB or anybody) care to provide any proof of this assertion?

Um ,See post 1125 and my defense of the pbpa by Billy.

I'm not asking for you to defend yourself, YB, I can see that you're doing that. I'm asking Guardian to back up the assertion that you're playing the way you normally do when you're town.

[AutumnEvenings]

All right, I've been just absolutely awful this past week. Personal life a wreck and all that jazz.

Anyway, can we please lynch Guardian or Albert today? I really will post loads more tomorrow (I don't work).

*hangs head in shame*

[BillyTwilight]

Hey all. I've been trying to keep up with reading the thread, but haven't had a chance to compose a lengthy post. As far as general comments, I'm still happy with a YB lynch... his rebutal of my analysis does nothing to convince me he is pro-town. I'll try to have more significant comments tomorrow afternoon (EST).

[YogurtBandit]

Hey all. I've been trying to keep up with reading the thread, but haven't had a chance to compose a lengthy post. As far as general comments, I'm still happy with a YB lynch... his rebutal of my analysis does nothing to convince me he is pro-town. I'll try to have more significant comments tomorrow afternoon (EST).

Well, would you care to respond to my paragraph about how I think you are the scum leader/GF?

[Mastermind of Sin]

MoS, you asked us to be suspicious of you just then. Scummy.

Also, what the hell were you asking me for vaious "first things that came to mind" the other week before Mosfaire? Just wondering.

Jack, have you ever played with YB? I have like 3 or 4 times and he seems like town YB.

Yes, I did ask you to be suspicious of me. That's why this is an experiment.

I was looking for an image to use as a prize. I asked like 10 people and didn't get a single suitable answer, but it worked out in the end.

[HackerHuck]

If I had to pick one thing about MoS that seems a bit scummy...

After his big reread, he places a vote on MBL, a big FoS on YB and some other normal FoSes. He later decides that MBL can wait and he places his vote on YB. Here's where I find it to be a bit scummy.

Vote on YB (apparently) was because YB became scummier, not because MBL became less scummy. After that vote, MoS became quite focused on YB and barely mentioned MBL. Then when MBL poses his bizarre question to Guardian, YB, and Albert, his first response is to say that he doesn't like YB's response to the question (bottom of page 33). Then on the next page, his answers seem to flip-flop a bit like he can't quite remember if he's still supposed to think MBL is scum or not.

I would have quoted, but I think it's more important to read the posts in context.

[Mastermind of Sin]

You're right. That's because I haven't really seen much from MBL since then that was worth mentioning (he also hasn't posted in almost 2 weeks), and that post just didn't seem worth attacking him over. If you want to know, I didn't particularly like his giant analysis post, since he says what he "expects" to see, which can really be doctored to agree or disagree with that actually happened, since he had already read D1 in the first place. Had it been his first time reading the thread, I wouldn't have felt it odd.

[inHimshallibe]

And if I refuse to participate?

[Jack]

Jack, have you ever played with YB?

yes

[YogurtBandit]

If I had to pick one thing about MoS that seems a bit scummy...

After his big reread, he places a vote on MBL, a big FoS on YB and some other normal FoSes. He later decides that MBL can wait and he places his vote on YB. Here's where I find it to be a bit scummy.

Vote on YB (apparently) was because YB became scummier, not because MBL became less scummy. After that vote, MoS became quite focused on YB and barely mentioned MBL. Then when MBL poses his bizarre question to Guardian, YB, and Albert, his first response is to say that he doesn't like YB's response to the question (bottom of page 33). Then on the next page, his answers seem to flip-flop a bit like he can't quite remember if he's still supposed to think MBL is scum or not.

I would have quoted, but I think it's more important to read the posts in context.

I actually have to say, Even after Mos's post, Istill find this contradictory, because one of the reasons I was attacked was for chaning my votes with BM and such.

Jack, That was a bad game...