Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yea, I didn't realize he was at -1. I'll

unvote

to give MBL a chance to finish and let YB claim first.

Uh, I was at -5.

MBL, wtf?

Vote: YogurtBandit

[inHimshallibe]

You guys just can't end a Day...[/agitated]

Wow. Um, Billy. That's a pretty freakin' awesome post. I think I'm sold on YB being scum here (not like it takes much convincing, the way he's been acting), but unless YB comes up as scum, I'm not sure that Guardian is scum here. He's under a lot of scrutiny, sure, but I don't think he's that unsensible, and while he's obviously something to watch, I still think TCS looks a lot worse than Guardian, really.

Anywho, I'm still quite convinced of YB at this point.

Vote : YogurtBandit

On the brighter side, HungryJoe also seems to be scum.

BTW: selling my vote to the highest bandwagon. Inquire inside.

[YogurtBandit]

BTW: selling my vote to the highest bandwagon. Inquire inside.

Explain that to me.

[petroleumjelly]

Official Day One Vote Count: #???

Guardian – 5 – Battle Mage, HackerHuck, inHimshallibe, Shteven, AutumnEvenings
YogurtBandit – 5 – Plessiez, Billy Twilight, HungryJoe, Jack, Mastermind of Sin

Albert B. Rampage – 2 – Yosarian2, Guardian
Glork – 2 – MrBuddyLee, johhan
Shteven – 2 – Glork, Albert B. Rampage

The Central Scrutinizer – 1 – YogurtBandit

With

18

alive, it takes

10

to lynch!

Not voting – 1 – The Central Scrutinizer

[YogurtBandit]

Also, Plessiez hasn't said anything, I dont mean to bring up the Lurker thing, but Just noting.

[HungryJoe]

Wait a tick, who's Plessiez? =b

How am I scum just by being swayed by a long and detailed argument against someone whom I already viewed as somewhat scummy? It's a convincing argument, and I'm not the only one swayed by it.

[inHimshallibe]

I'll thin it down to the scummy part:

I think I'm sold on YB being scum here (not like it takes much convincing, the way he's been acting)

(And here you all thought I'd just repost the quote in its entirety.)

Explain that to me.

High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.

[MrBuddyLee]

What I'm expecting to see before I read D1:
Yogurt: Goofball, gets indignant and OMGUSsy if he's town being accused.
Guardian: dunno
Albert: dunno
BM: Irrational but sincere
Glork: Irrational and manic, possibly indifferentish

Guardian

I could definitely be convinced to get back on BM. At the moment I shall

vote: N9V because he made one post with a vote and used someone else's reasoning for it

Aren't these two statements equivalent? I was concerned that you'd push your responsibility for your vote on someone else, and in the next sentence you vote someone for soing the same thing.

"Ok, I took an hour or two to think." really? If so, I'm impressed.

Albert, like I said earlier, is an appealing play for the town if only because he has already claimed vanilla.

It looks like you added "for the town" at the last minute here. Without it, the sentence would look scummy. Question is, would both town and scum be equally likely to modify that sentence?

Albert I have little qualms about because he made an unforced vanilla townie claim earlier, he is not contributing much to the town, and

has given us many reasons to think we are scum.

Slip of the tongue?

he is a claimed vanilla that, if not mafia, the mafia will let hang around for the whole game to try and get him lynched later

Not the world's best argument.

Is coming up with cases on people you know not to be your scum buddies difficult? You could at least help us find the SK.

How do you know Albert's not the SK?

Albert is just trying to distract people from himself, to the detriment of the town, or to help his team if he is scum.

And again.

Glork, do you find Albert scummy? If so, doesn't it strike you as odd that I find Albert and Shteven scummy, and that I would be scum? I mean maybe this is WIFOM because thier allignments are not confirmed, but I am just trying to find scum like all the other town players...

And again. Trying to convince Glork he's not part of a scumteam instead of trying to convince Glork he's not scummy (which would include SK).

Summary: Sounded townish at first, I was about to say keep him around cause he's trying hard, but there are an awful lot of SK tells in there.

Albert (who's alt is this? RR?)

Damnit, some of the 2 best players are out...cunning mafia.

The opposite of the famous doc tell. Scummy.

ol guys, c'mon, history has taught us that BM is always townie

Sketchy.

Albert protected TCS twice and voted me for FOSing TCS, lol.

The truth is I was really looking forward to playing with JDodge and SpectrumVoid, but alas I am stuck with the likes of BM and you. And so I'm bored.

Curious.

But Glork, why would who I think is scummy matter, when there are more experienced players who can more easily find the scum ?

Terrible.

I miss the simple times when we could just all follow Glork and if he mislead us we would chop his head off and elect a new leader.

Unoriginal.

Crappy reasons for voting in general.

As a mafia, I tend to attack my scumbuddies and go hard after them. So in this case, probably Stcevhen(whatever his name is) or AE.

Feels too obvious to be scum outing their partners, but of course could be WIFOM. Noted for later.

Whoever's experiment this alt is in clever new personalities, euthanize it. I can't tell if you're scummy or just kinda knuckleheaded, but I can't see you moving the game forward in any way right now.

BattleMage

i didnt like Guardians last post. i havent checked this game in quite a while, and i can barely remember why i was voting for YB, so Guardian will suffice as the play for today.

Reckless.

bleh, not much else to go on. Seems borderline townish.

Glork
Came out of the blocks playing seriously. This tells me two things:
1) He's probably not the SK. Cause he's making himself a target instead of playing screwball.
2) He's seemingly not as afraid of being NKed as usual. Possible scumtell.

I read it all and don't need to pbpa it... we want to keep Glork around. Glork, if you're scum please don't NK me. Kill Guardian instead.

Yogurt
Yeah, goofy but earnest. A few dumb things like mason speculation etc, but I get a nonmanipulative read. I saw a huge difference in Yogurt town and Yogurt scum in scumchat and this looks more like town.

Well, I dont think MBL is scum at all. I dont think there are any signs of it.

Someday this will get you in a lot of trouble, LOL. Not this game though.

[Guardian]

Conclusion = ?

You draw interesting links between me and Albert. That slip of the tongue i made is very interesting, it would imply that Albert and I were scum buddies was it not just a slip of the tongue...

You then say I am likely the SK. I don't get the argument there. Well, like, I kind of get it, but at this point in mafia I'm sure I understand what SK tells are, and I have never been the SK on the forum so I don't know what the change in strategy would be like. I just defended against being mafia because for me mafia tells are associations with other players, and also being mafia is more likely than being SK so it's better to defend against.

One thing I am happy to note is your defense of YB. I agree with you there.

[MrBuddyLee]

I just reread everything since June 12th cause that's when I plunked down my previous analysis of a few of yall. Since then, Billy made a very well written and voluminous but not particularly persuasive argument against Yogurt. He essentially attacked Yogurt for being Yogurt, with a few nitpicky things thrown in. I'd be interested in seeing Billy make a comparative post analyzing Albert's behavior vs. Yogurt's.

FOS: Hungry Joe, Shteven

Minor FOS: Jack and Huck for being lazy, MoS for being hardheaded about a lot of things.
prod: BM, johann and plessiez for being nonentities

In other news, Inhim makes a whole lotta sense. Autumn comes across geniunely as well.

I need to look at voting patterns before I place my vote. Here's the thing--everyone in this game's hunting scum:

* Scum's hunting the SK
* SK's hunting the scum
* Town's hunting all the scumbags.

The things to look for that would differentiate them:

* Scum may choose to protect one of their own who gets in trouble (via vote manipulation) or rush other lynches if one of their weak sheep is on the schneide. They have the potential to sound awkward when talking about three other people: the ones whose alignments they already know.
* SK may lie a little lower than average for purposes of self-preservation. Can't win if the scum get to you first, let alone town.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Call it a hunch, but

vote: Glork

. If one of Yogurt/Guardian were to be scum with him, I would probably have to go with Guardian.

I'm extremely uneasy when a player of Glork's reputation makes a comment to the effect of "I could lynch X or Y" without much accompanying analysis or opinion. In fact, the last time that Glork did so in a game I was in, he was scum, and one of the two players he mentioned was scum with him. That Glork mentioned he could go for a Shteven or Guardian lynch makes me think that should Glork come up mafia, Shteven is town and Guardian is scum.

Any vote I would make on Guardian would be predicated in a large part on the results of Glork's alignment. Other than that, he and Yogurt are equally appealing lynches, and I cannot vote for either without more to read.

[YogurtBandit]

Explain that to me.

High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.

So you're saying you'd rather vote for who everyone else is voting than who you think is suspicous? Dude, stick to your own things, There's no use in voting someone because everyone else has unless you're sure that person is scum.So you're saying if someone were to unvote and Vote Guardian, you would switch your vote too?

Fos:IHSIB

^^^ That is your new acronym.

About me being Goofy, Im so Goofy, The Disney charcter Goofy got Pointers from me [/b]

[Shteven]

@MBL:

I realize it's just a fos, but if you could mention what it was that makes you question me I'll do my best to respond. Something in the reread, I assume. The "non-entities" are certainly an issue, but I imagine the mods will find replacements as needed, sometimes it takes a few days You had some decent highlights of guardian, although I have to wonder why you didn't come to any conclusions at all at the end of his post. Instead you ended it with a "joke" of sorts.

Let's compare his two last posts:

Yogurt: Goofball, gets indignant and OMGUSsy if he's town being accused.
Guardian: dunno
Albert: dunno
BM: Irrational but sincere
Glork: Irrational and manic, possibly indifferentish

Followed by a good deal of quotes/thoughts, yet

absolutely no votes or even FOS.

5 targets who have recieved a great deal of attention, several of them the more active players, but doesn't take a single stand on any of them.

Followed by his second post where:

I just reread everything since June 12th cause that's when I plunked down my previous analysis of a few of yall. Since then, Billy made a very well written and voluminous but not particularly persuasive argument against Yogurt. He essentially attacked Yogurt for being Yogurt, with a few nitpicky things thrown in. I'd be interested in seeing Billy make a comparative post analyzing Albert's behavior vs. Yogurt's.

FOS: Hungry Joe, Shteven
Minor FOS: Jack and Huck for being lazy, MoS for being hardheaded about a lot of things.

Now either he's confused, or he wants to analyize the popular choices without actually pushing them any further towards danger?

Worth at least a

FOS: MBL

In other news...

As far as today's wagons go, I'm not completely sold on YB. He certainly seems suspicious to me, but I'm wondering if it's more his posting style than actual scumtells. I'm still in favor of a Guardian lynch. It will be very hard to get a lynch if we have two wagons both with high votes, for the simple fact that we need a majority.

[MrBuddyLee]

Reading is fundamental, Shteven.

I posted my approximate placement of 15 players via comments, FOSes etc last night, and that's after full reads on 15/20 people in two previous posts. If you're not clever enough to figure out how I rank people based on all that, you may need to take up a new hobby, like creating dioramas of Spike TV shows.

I need to look at voting patterns before I place my vote.

This jury's still out.

[Yosarian2]

I don't think Albert's an Alt, I think he's a new player, MBL; at least, I just recently played a newbie game with him.

[MrBuddyLee]

Read between the lines, Yos, plus a few direct statements:

I must have heard that a thousand times over on this site, jack.

I miss the simple times when we could just all follow Glork and if he mislead us we would chop his head off and elect a new leader.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tell me, was this RR player good ?

[Jack]

Now that AM mafia is over, I can say I"m much less suspicious of Guardian.

[Jack]

I'm not finding shteven so bad either.

Can't decide if albert is playing weird or scum. Yogurt will keep my vote.

[Guardian]

Now that AM mafia is over, I can say I"m much less suspicious of Guardian.

Cool. I'm still the same suspicious of you, but yeah... people always think I am suspicious for playing how I normally would play. It is annoying.

[inHimshallibe]

Explain that to me.

High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.

So you're saying you'd rather vote for who everyone else is voting than who you think is suspicous? Dude, stick to your own things, There's no use in voting someone because everyone else has unless you're sure that person is scum.So you're saying if someone were to unvote and Vote Guardian, you would switch your vote too?

Eh, it kind of

is

sticking to my own thing. I have gotten some pretty decent first impressions on players in this game, have voiced a lot of my suspicions, and have made some disclosed notes, too. This Day 1 has gone on plenty long, there is a whole lot of content to start piecing things together when we have more information, and I'm not going to lose any sleep because I thought it ended way too quickly. When it's ready to end, the Day will end, it's just kind of natural (and in this case with a little boost behind it, i.e. my vote). If I think the leading bandwagon is detrimental, I'll avoid it, but those cases will be few and far between on Day 1.

Fos:IHSIB

^^^ That is your new acronym.

Eww, inHim is fine, thanks.

About me being Goofy, Im so Goofy, The Disney charcter Goofy got Pointers from me

O RLY?

[Glork]

TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.

I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.

I know you can make the argument that you play the same all the time, but that's simply not the case, because you explicitly played differently as a survivor in McDonald's mafia.

[Battle Mage]

Tell me, was this RR player good ?

no. i owe you guys a reread. but it would make things a lot easier, if a couple people could briefly outline the cases for Guardian and YB, and also summarise anything awesomely outrageous that has occured.
thanks
BM

[Glork]

TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.

I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.

I know you can make the argument that you play the same all the time, but that's simply not the case, because you explicitly played differently as a survivor in McDonald's mafia.

1) Ah, I remember now. But the situation in that game was fundamentally different than what we have here.
--a) It was a Newbie game. I could get a way with a lot more, since newbie players wouldn't be able to see the "he's presenting two players as approximately equal but ultimately shows a preference for a probable mislynch" tell. This game has several experienced (and talented) players. I would not be able to get away with the same maneuver here.
--b) That game was in LyLo. This game is in Day One. Once I "showed a preference for" that mislynch, the game was over. Nobody could come back on a later day and say that I was trying to distance from my scumbuddy. Were I in fact scum with one of the two players you mentioned, I would probably be called on it sooner or later.

2) You've never played a role that requires you to survive, have you? Survivor, SK, role-with-a-Survivor-condition... they require a different style of play altogether. Why? Because no matter what you do, no matter how many correct lynches or mislynhces the town as a whole attains, no matter what plans you lay out to drive yourself to victory -- it all means

nothing

if you are killed. Lights Out 1 had a "you must survive to actually win" mechanic for all players, and I freely and readily admitted that I was playing a strategy which I felt would help me survive to the late-game stages. You've tried to pre-empt a possible defense by saying that I've played a different strategy as a Survivor, but you seem to have missed the fact that

playing a Survivor requires a different strategy altogether.