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FoS: CESfor trying to coax me into a bad vote. Thesp is obv pro-town.-
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This is crap.
Zindaras, I demand that, for the good of the town, you unvote Thesp now.FOS: ZINDARAS, CES-
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Yeah. Progress for the scums.Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Glrok, a vote for Thesp is a vote for progress!
Unvote,Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum
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Emphasis, obviously.Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Why the italics?-
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If you agree with MBL's assessment of the game thus far, why are you not voting me?Patrick wrote:
:Goodposting obv:MBL wrote:Patrick is town, Glork's scum. It's fairly obvious already.-
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Alright, I'll bite.MrBuddyLee wrote:Glork's scum. It's fairly obvious already.
Why am I scum?-
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Pretty sure CES fits the description of "the play."Adele wrote:Who is?-
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And I'm answering anyway.Adele wrote:I was asking Fritz, though.
However, AndrewS is once again looking like a brilliant alternative.-
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Honest answer?
Depends on the game, the players, and how I feel at the time.-
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EBWODP: But that suggestion of No-Lynch was totally serious, I assure you.
Unvote CES, FOS/IGMEOY: CES
Vote: No Lynch-
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But we're more likely to kill a townie that way! It's only Day One, and we have nothing to go on!!-
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ChannelDelibird wrote:I'm trying to think who Glork reminds me of in this game (I don't think it's Glork). Whoever he's behaving like I don't think he's being particularly helpful.FoS
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O RLY?IH wrote:I feel Glork is just making a point with his nolynch thing.-
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I'd kill every night if I were vig.
I'd be all "BLAM! BANG! Yer dead!!"-
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Alright, let's take an informal poll?Mgm wrote:AndrewS and Glork made a bad suggestion. Whether they meant it is irrelevant. Suggesting it is scummy, following through on it by making the vote is scummier.
Who here thinks I was *actually* serious about my No-Lynch suggestion?-
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So what you're saying is that I, knowing that AndrewS picked up flak for voting No Lynch, and even participating in the ensuing bandwagon on him, decided to vote No-Lynch for some ulterior motive (presumably to push through this day without a lynch)?Mgm wrote:Glork doing the same when he knew it was a stupid move is scummier.
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Not really, IH. Scum will staunchly defend townies at time to make themselves look good. In fact, if Ether turns up scum, at this point, I'd be more inclined to believe that AndrewS ispro-town.-
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Nah, I'm good.Patrick wrote:I don't really understand the Ether hate, and I would quite like Glork to explain his last vote.-
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Winner.Patrick wrote:That's not really Wifom, it's making a judgement on what we think scum are more likely to do, which is the game.
If you really get down to it, Adele, there's an element of WIFOM in almost every aspect of Mafia. Can we possibly discern Ether's or AndrewS's alignments for certain at this point in the game? Absolutely not. Butexperiencetells me that players who are as experienced and talented as the ones in this game are less likely to staunchly defend a scumbuddy so quickly or so willingly early in Day One. That's not to say that it is animpossibility, but to me, it just doesn't make sense.-
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viewtopic.php?t=3684&userposts=1333Zindaras wrote:Glork: Way too bandwagonish. He's playing one of his "crazy" games, with all kinds of random stuff. However, odd bandwagoning isn't usually part of that. Has been on both of the 3-post 3-vote bandwagons I really didn't like.-
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Dammit, he figured out my strategy!Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Zindaras: it's pretty easy to get a read on Thesp. Just follow him blindly. If the town's losing, he's probably scum. If you just won the game, well, then he's probably town.-
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Alright, Fritz, I got one for us.Fritzler wrote:yea, honestly we need a sweet wagon
(16 is No Lynch, obvobvobvobv)Original Roll String: 1d161 16-Sided Dice: (8) = 8-
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Shit, no, we can't lynch Thesp. Let's try that again.
Original Roll String: 1d161 16-Sided Dice: (15) = 15-
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Zindie. If anybody knows how absurd I can behave, it's you. I'm curious to know why you're choosing to attack my play in this game, when you've pretty much ignored it in games past.Zindaras wrote:Bandwagoning isn't something where you can simply point to one other game and say "Here, I did it there, too!" It's pretty gosh-darn scummy in my book, and I'm not going to let that tell go.-
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I also love your "this is scummy except when I do it" attitude. At least you had the testicular fortitude to point out your own hypocrisy.-
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This one made me lol.MBL wrote:Either that or when he's useful he gets killed so he tried to be unhelpful for a day or two so he can actually make some endgames.-
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Crap. Valid point.
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This is clearly a bunch of crap.MBL wrote:unfounded unholy alliance
The alliance is founded on the notion that Thesp and I not only kick ass, but are probably pro-town. It's also more holy than unholy. I fight for justice and righteousness!-
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Thesp wrote:This day is going on waaaaaaay too long.Fritzler wrote:yea, honestly we need a sweet wagon
Who says this is for discussion purposes, SV?Glork wrote:Unvote, Vote: Spectrumvoid
Good find on ScumVoid, Fritz.-
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In all seriousness, at this point, I think I'd be okay with an SV lynch.
Not gonna lie, I'm a little apathetic at the moment. I wanna see someaction!-
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I'd say it probably has to do with the fact that you're saying that there is "little choice but to vote for one of thePatrick wrote:Reason?Votecount:-
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Hum. I hadn't thought about that. Your perogative, I guess. You hit Lynch -2, and you're currently at 5 votes. Personally, I'd say "not yet," but if you think it's necessary, do whatever you feel like doing.spectrumvoid wrote:Just wondering... anyone wants me to claim?-
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Eh... not so much a fallacy as a bad strategy or train of thought. Still, I'm wondering if it's a deliberate "mistake" on Patrick's part.
I don't think AndrewS is particularly scummy. I don't even necessarily think that his wagoners were scum, as I would have beenverysurprised to see him actually get lynched based on the NL suggestion. Slap-on-the-wrist and an overall IGMEOY feeling is about what I expected. And, to be frank, that's more or less what happened.-
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Thesp, what do you think of SV's paraphrases of some of Andrew's posts?-
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Do you find them scummy?Thesp wrote:
I find them very funny.Glork wrote:Thesp, what do you think of SV's paraphrases of some of Andrew's posts?-
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So you don't think that this:Thesp wrote:In and of themselves, not particularly.
looks the least bit propagandic or falsely incriminating?SV wrote:Another Andrew paraphrase: I've been holding my vote because I want a chance to bus my scumbuddy and look innocent tomorrow.-
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Hm. Fairly provable, I suppose.Unvote, Vote: AndrewS
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CES makes a reasonable point.
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UNVOTE, VOTE: ANDREWS
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HAMMAH!!!
Yes, that was completely necessary.-
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Bandwagon?
At most, two or three people voted him the other day. I am currently the only person who has voted for him today.
Please pay attention, Adele.-
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Patrick, you need to learn to read between the lines.
My initial vote for AndrewS (Post 5) was a random vote at the start of the game. I moved off of him and onto CES also as a joke (for telling me to vote for Thesp -- Post 39). When AndrewS made his No Lynch suggestion and then claimed it was "to get reactions," I mentioned him as an alternative, my first serious insinuation that I found him scummy (Post 72). However, after the subsequent wagon and Ether's defense of him, I had changed my mind with regards to AndrewS. I also voted Ether for what I felt was a somewhat out-of-place defense of him. I mentioned to IH that scum will, at times, defend a townie who is in trouble to promote themselves in the eyes of the town (Post 202). (So when you asked why I was voting Ether and I said "Nah, I'm good," it was because I had already explained myself; I felt you just weren't paying enough attention to what was going on.) I then voted AndrewS basically to secure a lynch. He was the biggest wagon at the time, and getting hit with No Lynch at a deadline didn't seem like a very desirable situation. So yes, even though I felt AndrewS was probably pro-town, I went with his wagon in the end.
The random-vote situation was... well, very odd, to say the least. The first die-roll came up pointing to Thesp, which was coincidental as I'd been joking about Thesp's "obvious pro-towniness" throughout the early part of D1. When I switched, it happened to end up on somebody I mildly suspected anyway... also rather coincidental. I expected the die roll to end up on... well, some random person... so that I could vote them, look like a gigantic goofball, then get back to actually playing the game. As luck would have it, the second die-roll landed somewhere where I was actually happy with my vote. I expressed that later when I said that I thought I'd be okay with lynching her (Post 296). What I much more surprising is not the fact that I "started a bandwagon" with a random vote, but the fact that it actually became a bandwagon at all. Had my vote ended up on somebody without any votes at the time -- say, Zindaras -- I doubt anybody would have jumped aboard. I would expect scum to very willingly jump onto this bandwagon: its foundation was based on a random action by another player, it already had a couple of votes (Fritzler and someone else, I believe). It was really the perfect bandwagon to push to near-lynch. And it just so happened to be on a power role.
Basically, I understand where you're coming from, Patrick, but I feel that my play -- like Fritz's, so much of the time -- has a method behind the madness. You just have to look for it.
Currently, my top two suspects are MGM and Ether.
Ether, for her defense of AndrewS (which I still think was a little odd, though I can't place exactly why), and for Post 253, in which she responds to my joke-FoS:IH by seriously agreeing with me on a point that, truth be told, I don't even understand. She also makes a passing remark about MGM that feels scumbuddy-ish, saying she "doesn't like" MGM, but that she likes IH less.
I initially voted MGM yesterday for "not paying attention." He voted for me, saying that my No-Lynch suggestion was scummy and that I knew it was a bad idea when I thought it was quite obvious that I was joking around (though apparently Adele thought I was serious, too. Out of curiosity... did anybodyelsethink that my suggestion was serious?) His Post 173 doesn't really sit well with me either. He explains it by saying that he felt the attackers of the bandwagons were opportunistic scum -- much as I felt that Ether was scum for attacking the AndrewS bandwagon. Yet he's still keeping his vote on me instead of looking to put it on one of these wagon-dismantlers. It seems to me that MGM is half-trying to defend himself and his wagoning of me, and that he's half-trying to point fingers elsewhere without actually pointing any fingers... if you know what I mean. Post 331 also seems quite fishy-fishy. He says that SV should claim, but when IH puts the -2 vote on SV, he goes ahead with his vote for AndrewS a mere three hours later. Help prod one player to a claim while already jumping on the next best wagon. Tricky. Quite tricky. Not tricky enough.
EDIT: Actually, I just found something that I really don't like about Thesp. His "This day has gone on waaaaaaaaay too long" comment (Post 256) came a mereninedays after the start of Day One (Fri, Jan 26 to Sun, Feb 04). Thesp, would you mind explaining why you think slightly over a week makes a day that's "way too long"?FoS: Thespfor real now.
So yeah, I'm looking at MGM, then Ether, then possibly Thesp or Adele, maybe even CDB. I'm not quite sure yet.
People who are pro-town: Patrick, Nightfall, probably Fritzler. Short list so far; this town has been pretty scummy as a whole.-
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