Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Fritzler]

Also, I'd like to comment on Glork. He hardly appeared in my PBP of all.... because there's been almost nothing from him.

Order of noncontributing

(I believe)
CDB
Frtiz
SV
Glork
Nightfall

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i tried to contribute last night but the posts were too long

[Nightfall]

PBPA on AndrewS.
Next will be Ether, then MgM, and maybe IH.


AndrewS
-Votes CD because of his username.

No comment

-Votes no lynch claiming that the odds are against us lynching scum.

Newbie scum tell… or is it… lets keep reading…

-Unvotes and attributes his proposal to the fact that we were still in the random vote stage and didnt seem to be going anywhere.

Hmmm seems like a possible truth

-Backs his no lynch idea insisting that he was frustrated with how long it was taking for us to get out of the random vote stage. Also states that he is not a newbie and that his actions were not because of inexperience.

Continues to push that his no lynch idea was genuine, and that he thought it would help get the game going

-Says that he guesses he should explain his actions, claiming that he was really just testing us to see how we react.

Under increased pressure he now claims that he did what he did to get reactions. Personally I hate this argument and think it should always (99.99% of the time) be seen as a scummy play. It is basically saying that all the reasons that people see him as being scummy are true but they don’t mean anything because he was trying to act scummy.

-Says that he wouldnt reasonably attempt to push a no lynch. He then votes Adele claiming that she is the most lynch hungry.

This is a big WIFOM statement. I also don’t personally agree with it. It is my belief that anyone that claims that they wouldn’t reasonably do something scummy after doing it, is trying to backtalk there way out of it.

-Says that what he proposed led to reactions and reasons for him to vote Adele

Those reasons being that she voted for him, for repeatedly backing the idea of no lynch. For this he calls her lynch hungry? Correct me if I’m wrong please but isn’t the point of the game to lynch scum? And if you are continually arguing to go no lynch isn’t that kind of scummy? Shouldn’t you be voted for doing that?

-Votes CES claiming that CES doesnt care what Andrews reasons were and that CES is avoiding his "questions".

CES answers his “questions” right after he asks them.

-States that random voting paterns are impossible to get info from. And repeats that his proposal was just an attempt to get more info.

Random votes, somewhat, but not entirely. Would they have STAYED random had Andrew not voted no lynch? I really doubt it. Andrew claims he voted no lynch to get info that random votes wouldn’t give us. Could the info not be obtained from the normal voting process if he had only waited a few more days?

-Tells MgM to read the game.
-States his past experiences with the game saying that he is not a newbie.

Good for you, but it doesn’t mean you cant make mistakes or make scumtells. It also doesn’t give you a get out of jail card for when you appear to perform them.

-Says that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt pro town.

So we can believe you here? Like we believed you when you were proposing a no lynch?

-Says that he believes many of the people that are voting for him are doing so because he disagrees with their logic.

We are voting you because you appear scummy. Either your scum and should be lynched, or you’re a townie and did something that although according to your logic isn’t scummy, it is to ours.

-Says that hes told his reasons for his actions, and if he is lynched and turns up town we should look at those voting him.
-Lists his top 3 suspects CES, Adele and Thesp.

I don’t see anything exceptionably scummy about these 3. It looks more like he is just focusing in on the people that disagree with his “logic”

-Says that Thesps logic is wrong and that he is assuming that his intent follows his actions.

Not really, Thesp as far I can see understands what he is saying perfectly well. He is also making very valid points that Andrew seems to rather sidestep claiming that thesp’s logic is wrong or he waits for ether to pipe up.

-Says that if he was scum he would know that he wouldnt be able to convince the town to go no lynch.

But would you still attempt it all the same in order to get to this position where you tell us you wouldn’t do it if you were scum. This is the key WIFOM part of the argument that both you and Ether are failing to comprehend.

-Votes MgM
-Tells MgM to read the game for his reasons for voting him.
-Claims that he decided to go ahead and vote no lynch because it was something "spectacular that everyone would notice".

We noticed, and thought it to be scummy, Adele voted him and got an earful, now we are stuck switching wine glasses when each other isn’t looking.

-Says that Mgm was the only one that misinterpreted Glorks no lynch vote .

I’m going to do a pbp on Mgm later but for now I’ll just say that I think this post along with others Andrew has made of Mgm are not overly accurate and paint mgm in a rather unfavourable and unnecessary negative light.

-Claims that he reread and that he finds IH scummier than Glork and SV.
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*There is something I am noticing here...and if it continues I will come back to it eventually*

-Explains that he is suspect of SV and Glork because of their bandwagoning while less so of IH due to his lack of bandwagoning.
-Repeats that nobody but Mgm thought that Glork was serious.
-Tells thesp that his no lynch vote was a "prod to start the game"

I thought it was to get reactions? No wait I thought it was to go no lynch.. Wait what was it for again?

-Tells me that I say that I'll post something tommorrow too much, when I had yet to actually post it all game.

Read the game yourself

-Explains how if there are 2 nightkills the next night then SV must be telling the truth about her vig claim.
-Rolls off odds of there being additional vigs' in this game, and votes IH for "being on the band wagons and being lynch hungry".

All while a few posts ago he said IH was less scummy because he really didnt do those things…

[Mgm]

Not paying attention count-6.

= ) She meant that he's not really posting too much content (Though after rereading I have seen some) Just a summary of posts. In other words, he looks like he's giving information, but is just doing the filter (Display posts from all users) does the same exact thing.

I took me a whole lot of time to convince people to vote AndrewS. I believe Nightfall's post is helpful by showing how inconsistent Andrew is between different posts - and how he attacks me for stuff he does himself. This way people who can't be bothered to filter the posts will have their nose pushed into the facts in a way they can't ignore. And he didn't just copy the posts, he summarized and interpreted them too.

[spectrumvoid]

Good posting Nightfall. I firmly believe AndrewS is scum.

Rather obviously, I'll have a backup target. Duh.

[Fritzler]

I'll vig IH tonight.

bump

you can't be a taker backer

[AndrewS]

Alright, let me respond to some of Nightfall's misrepresentations:

-States his past experiences with the game saying that he is not a newbie.
Good for you, but it doesn’t mean you cant make mistakes or make scumtells. It also doesn’t give you a get out of jail card for when you appear to perform them.

I never said it gives me an exemption, I was responding to someone (CES, if I recall correctly), who asked if I was a newbie.

-Says that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt pro town.
So we can believe you here? Like we believed you when you were proposing a no lynch?

I believe that I said that

I

knew that I was beyond a shadow of a doubt pro-town. Which is logical. I was pointing it out because I said that if you read it as me being pro-town, then you can gain some information from the controversy.

-Says that if he was scum he would know that he wouldnt be able to convince the town to go no lynch.
But would you still attempt it all the same in order to get to this position where you tell us you wouldn’t do it if you were scum. This is the key WIFOM part of the argument that both you and Ether are failing to comprehend.

No, I seriously doubt I would - it would be too risky. Instead, I'd lurk until an easy lynch came up (much like you have been doing this entire game).

-Tells thesp that his no lynch vote was a "prod to start the game"
I thought it was to get reactions? No wait I thought it was to go no lynch.. Wait what was it for again?

As I explained, here was my thought process: Nobody was posting. I posted something somewhat scummy in order to get some discussion going and get some reactions. If nobody talks, then scum get a free ride.

-Tells me that I say that I'll post something tommorrow too much, when I had yet to actually post it all game.
Read the game yourself

As for that, I do apologize. I don't know what I was thinking of, but you are right - you only said you would post more once.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I never said it gives me an exemption, I was responding to someone (CES, if I recall correctly), who asked if I was a newbie.

You do not recall correctly. Not only did I not ask that question, you answered that question in an earlier post. The post he refers to is this one:

Oh, come now. Just because I've only played a few games on here recently doesn't mean that I'm inexperienced. I knew when posting that nobody would take me up on it. I started playing here back in 2004, but took a bit of a hiatus during 2006. I know how the game's played.

His interpretation seems valid.

[Mr Stoofer]

Corrected

Vote Count

AndrewS: 7 (Thesp ChannelDelibird spectrumvoid Mgm CES Fritzler IH )

IH: 4 (Ether, Patrick AndrewS Zindaras)
Mgm: 2 (Glork MrBuddyLee)
spectrumvoid: 1 (Adele)
Ether: 1 (Nightfall)
Nightfall: 1 (Ether)

Not voting: me

8 to lynch!

29 hours 51 minutes until deadline!

[05] If a deadline is reached with no majority, the day will end without a lynch.

[spectrumvoid]

For clarity's sake: I'll vig IH if AndrewS is scum. If AndrewS is town, I'll vig his biggest pusher, as yet undetermined. If by some fluke we kill IH instead, my backup target is AndrewS. Duh.

[Glork]

UNVOTE, VOTE: ANDREWS


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HAMMAH!!!

Yes, that was completely necessary.

[Mr Stoofer]

End of Day Vote Count

AndrewS: 8 (Thesp ChannelDelibird spectrumvoid Mgm CES Fritzler IH Glork)

IH: 4 (Ether Patrick AndrewS Zindaras)
Mgm: 1 (MrBuddyLee)
spectrumvoid: 1 (Adele)
Ether: 1 (Nightfall)
Nightfall: 1 (Ether)

[Mr Stoofer]

I really thought that you weren't going to lynch anyone today, what with this being such a friendly game. But I suppose the lure of the hammah was just too much. AndrewS has to turn his card over, and here it is...

OK, you all know the drill now: everyone close your eyes and start drumming the table, while I ask everyone who has them for their night choices.

Night 1: send choices!

[Mr Stoofer]

OK everyone, time to open your eyes. And you'll see that two players have had to turn over their cards and leave the game.

Here is spectrumvoid's card...................................And IH's card....

.............

It's now Day 2: with 12 alive it will take 7 to lynch!

[Zindaras]

Bah.

I'll see if I can glean something from the AndrewS-wagon.

[Glork]

I like my

Vote: MGM

from earlier.

[Patrick]

Vote: Glork

[Glork]

Hi.

[IH]

Bah, go town.

MOD EDIT:

[08] Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing. Not even a “Bah!” post, please. Save it for after the game is over.

[Nightfall]

I still stand by what I said about Andrew. His play was really scummy and he deserved the lynch. If Glork hadn't hammered when I was away at work, I would have done it when I arrived home.

[Adele]

wow, disallowing bahs. Harsh.

I think disagree with the mgm bandwagon, but I don't suspect Glork either.

[Glork]

Bandwagon?

At most, two or three people voted him the other day. I am currently the only person who has voted for him today.


Please pay attention, Adele.

[Thesp]

Looks like I was wrong yesterday. Time to re-read.

[Glork]

FoS: Thesp

Pro-town Thesp is

NEVER

wrong! >=[

[Adele]

Fair point, Glork. EBWOP:

I think I'd disagree with an Mgm bandwagon, but I don't suspect Glork either.

[Mgm]

Glork, I see your vote on me from yesterday was in post 364.
You didn't specify a reason in that post, though.
Since you switched from Andrew to me and back to Andrew (hammering him) you must've seen some reason in lynching Andrew,
so I'm not sure what's so scummy about me.

Consecutive posts:

I haven't the slightest idea what's up with Mgm. I don't like him, but I like IH less.

Speaking of which, Mgm's posts give off a vibe of overwhelming stupid and I don't actually find them scummy. Hey, Thesp--what

was

your alternate theory?

Hmm.

I'd like to know exactly how far apart those are (I'll look it up unless someone else does), but these posts are suspicious enough to garner a

FOS: Ether