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Nacho, can we make a truce until day 3? Best friends: neither of us suspects the other until day 3, we don't kill each other until day 3 if scum (or at least fight hard for an alternate kill if they really want to kill our slots that badly), we don't play dirty with power roles until day 3. I think it will be most to our benefit if we are both town, but if one of us is scum, I think it will work to the townie's benefit. Do you agree?-
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Okay,In post 40, MC Maraca wrote:Try again.
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VOTE: Maracabd
Can you link me to the game that you played with Brian?In post 39, Cephrir wrote:Brian Skies is town.
Why?geists is town.
This I agree with. This is probably one of the few games I obvtowned during RVS.F16 is town.
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Cephrir, agreed on Giests although the post that seemed genuinely at ease to me was the post after you townread them. Not sure about Generic yet. I read the Cash Cabd game before and I agree, both with his reaction sounding like he was trying too hard and it not fitting in with his scum-meta. We can discuss specifics later on.
Tammy seems disappointed in drawing scum. Let's lynch Tammy.
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Would this be accurate?In post 55, Tammy wrote:So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secrettm prize.
I'd appreciate the guesses in gifs by the way!
VOTE: casso king of the seals
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Not right now.In post 67, Generic wrote:You still mad at me over big brother?
So I have to ask, is that a serious vote or should I not bother asking your reason for it?
Best prize ever! I am liking you already.In post 69, Tammy wrote:Since that made me laugh, I'm forgiving the earlier slight of voting me and awarding you with the awesome prize of being my town buddy! Don't you feel special?
No one from that game remembers me. I lurked too much. No way I would forget your meta-dive on Gammagooey though.In post 71, geists wrote:@F-16 It had never clicked that you were in the hunterxhunterx game until I looked up the link to that truce offer.
What about it bothered you?In post 72, pitoli wrote:Brian's entrance bothers me too.-
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I did see them telegraphing it but something was off about the way ffery didn't spend time sorting you out so I wanted to probe further. I like the response though and it was similar to how I felt as well (knowing you had a good scumgame but still feeling that you were town without any paranoia - which is unusual).In post 205, MC Maraca wrote:
I feel like she and nati have telegraphed those somewhat already, and I'm surprised you had to ask.In post 202, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:ffery, what are your reads on Cabd, Brian, and Pitoli?
These make sense. Although my off-read on Brian was mostly based on in-game actions as opposed to meta which indicated he was town. I am unsure on Pitoli since I don't get the same obvtown vibes from Micro 252 yet.In post 216, geists wrote:Awkward entrances are not a scum tell for Brian. Nor are they a town tell. I'll take my time to form a read on Brian. From what I remember in a recent meta dive you also badly misread him not too long ago in a game.
Pitoli has slow, tentative starts in mafia from what I've seen. She has a huge run of town games at MS. I was one of the players in her scum game. I tried to apply her scum meta in the Walking Dead game and came away with an erroneous scum read. I went after her at the start of day 2 shortly before she replaced out. IIRC Metal Sonic replaced her, and was lynched a few days later. I'd gone back and forth on that slot since day 1, but if memory serves didn't vote MS on the day he was lynched.-
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That's not very nice!In post 259, KoreanBBQ wrote:F-16 I skipped his entire posts for now.
Cephrir, what didn't you like about Tammy? Did you play with her before?-
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In post 269, Generic wrote:The Tammy read relates to a reaction test I gave and her genuine frustration over it rather than to try and go with the flow gave me the initial town read I have.
Heists is a gut read based on a smart opening which when lightly challenged he has been calm and consistent on tone. And there are glimpses of behind the scenes work being done for the game. Intriguing slot, so I townread them.
Why are you feeling good about these three f16?In post 188, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I am feeling pretty good about Cabd being town, and to a lesser extent Geists, Tammy, and Cephrir. Fair warning, I am going to gatecrash all the in-thread Mason parties and Tammy is going to be my best buddy that I bring along.
All of them are mostly based on gut.
MC Maraca: Cabd's posts just felt like town. Marangal's latest posts are helping to firm up my read more.
Geists: I liked Nat's reaction to Cephrir's townread on him. I also thought that ffery waffling on her read on me was townish, and I like that we are on the same page regarding Cabd.
Cephrir: I felt in sync with Cephrir for the most part. His initial scumread on Brian followed shortly with a realization that this was dissimilar to his scumgame in Cash Cabd seemed genuine.
Tammy: Tammy's posts felt natural and unforced. Her demeanor reminded me of Mini 1472 but not to the same extent. I will probably go more in-depth once we generate more information in this game.
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Tammy, glad you are here. I thought you left me hanging after you said we could be best buddies
I want to talk about Generic. I had a townread on him based on his push of Geists but ffery's point about him being too agreeable resonated with me quite a bit. I went back through BB:HoH to see if he was too agreeable there and I noticed that he was during the last day. I am not sure if you followed it after you got nk'ed. Generic as scum was agreeing with everything Toogeloo and I said, saying we had good points, and consistently going back and forth on us although he stayed with Toog-town, me-scum for the most part except the end. I also read the VisCon:Wingate Mansion which you played where he was town. His initial attack on Marangal followed by his defense when Nacho made a case on him looked a lot different from his backing off here which has me concerned.
Do you have a read on Generic yet? If so, what?
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And links to games you played with Natirasha.In post 418, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:@ Generic, read on Casso would be cool as well.-
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In post 432, Generic wrote:Oh you lot make me chuckle.
Someone I'm voting for plants a seed of suspicion about me to discredit my issue with them and you run with it.
For an answer to how 'agreeable' with ffery I am, look where my vote STILL sits. Just because I thought they had competently answered my concern doesn't mean they negate the other head washing their hands of the issue and ffery stalling for time with me.
And the point I made about similar mindsets wasn't agreeability (is that a compound word?) but a marker that I'm not gonna have any of you guys hand wave me away with a "you just aren't used to the way ffery posts".
Do don't start bullshitting me please with that cos I make my own reads and am not gonna have any of you dismiss others on meta.
Oh and it didn't go unnoticed that ffery claimed ignorance of her meta even though she initially tried to use it as an excuse at me. I just don't volunteer EVERYTHING I'm using in my analysi.
But I am interested in the koreanbbq and geists link. I will have to look back at the interactions but one or two felt forced to me.
I didn't buy your initial argument n Geists because I thought it made sense for ffery to be paranoid of GIF. In Newbie 1429 (I replaced in and read the game after GIF replaced out), GIF replaced Scumbag 101 and turned around a scum-slot that was being universally townread into most players biggest townread (including ffery's). Scum later went on to win the game. While I thought that your argument made sense coming from someone who was unaware of that game, looking through the game shows that the post you are saying is scummy is null at worst. The way the post was phrased makes it look scummy but based on past history, it makes perfect sense. And meta is a useful tool for scumhunting, it hardly counts as "handwaving away" arguments. What did you think of Geists attack on Casso?In post 437, Generic wrote:What's your take on koreanBBQ?
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I feel pretty good about Geists being town. I read a lot ffery's games and a strong attack on Nacho based on meta is outside the range of behaviors I would expect from her as scum even accounting for a constantly improving scum-play. Backing off for a while fits in with ffery's town meta as well. In any case, they didn't permanently back off, they said their read was still strong.In post 542, Generic wrote:I liked the attack because it put casso on the spot. What I didn't like was the speed at which it broke down and they backed off.
I don't know an awful lot about Thor, but I do know people like nacho need to be kept cornered if you have a suspicion to ensure they don't climb back into the ascendency. But since you like geists play so far I'm interested to know what you thought about how they handled it.-
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I haven't seen a single game where you attacked Nacho as scum to the extent you have here and with the confidence you showed here. I did have an initial townread on you which was shaky and I did question you to see if it would firm up. The Nacho-attack was completely outside of what I would expect you to do as scum.
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Where did I break it?In post 569, Generic wrote:F16, a question for you.
Why offer the truce on casso and then barely get three days into day 1 before breaking that? Was that to bring nachos guard down and not focus any attention on you so you can catch him off guard?
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In post 568, BROseidon wrote:
This is how you make an argument, people.In post 410, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Firstly, Nacho in Buzzword went up against Orc because your slot (squared) did. He immediately dropped suspicion on Orc once he returned from a brief period of inactivity – the scum motivation clearly being he didn’t want to go against you. Here on the other hand, you indicated that Brian suspicion is unjustified – or at least, that is the implicit vibe I received from you. Tammy opposed the push as well. Assuming she is town, Nacho as scum would be pushing a player that could alienate his biggest threats – this is something I haven’t seen a parallel with in Buzzword. Let’s say he wants to push the Brian lynch, who will help him? Not you, Tammy, or even Cephrir who despite saying that Brian was trying too hard now has a townread on him. Probably not Pitoli who he is voting. Perhaps he expected me to help but I made it clear I am not sure either way about Brian. So, I am not seeing the same parallel w.r.t Brian and Orc. What did I miss?
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So you are saying that his (unjustified) focus on Brian was because Brian was one of the few people he thought he could mislynch?In post 577, geists wrote:Yeah, no that was totally a defense. While I agree with what F-16 said about the Buzzword game and Nacho's early stance on orcinus being shaped by mine, I laid out why I thought he was bringing the wrong lesson from that game given my actual point about orcinus, which was that there was precious little room for mislynches in that game. And Nacho wound up targeting two other of my townreads that day.-
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Thor is a good scum player as well. I agree with the bolded part. I was thinking about this game and I came up with a better strategy than a truce for the future.In post 578, Generic wrote:It's why I haven't commented negatively on f16s proposal to nacho of the truce cos for mehe's one of those players that becomes apparent scum as time goes on. How good is Thor? Experienced scum player? Cos it's two mindsets I'm dealing with.
1) Call Nacho a "Nacho" read Day 1.
2) Hope he does amazingly pro-town things like leading lynches on scum.
3) Check if ffery is in the game. If she is likely town, ask her to sort Nacho for you.
4) If Nacho is in hydra with someone other than Thor, read his partner.
5) If he is in a hydra with Thor, follow instruction under the spoiler:
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Pieguyn, can you explain your townread on GoodMorning?
Is your read on BROseidon based on past games or purely based on what hapenned in game?
Also, in general, when you point out specific posts and call people town, is your read based mostly on that post, or is there more behind it? Specifically I am talking about Tammy, BRO, and Generic.
With regard to 415, what do you mean, "huh I'm seeing what you all are about Generic - in fast and furious he seemed pretty adamant about getting Telo lynched"? Can you elaborate? Because I was scumreading Generic at that point while you townread him.-
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Pieguyn, I disagree with your read on GoodMorning. How does being "upfront about questioning stuff she disagrees with" necessarily town? I find it just as likely scum would question stuff to look like town. I also don't find "holding true to her beliefs" a strong reason to read her as town.
Also, why did you like her stance of saying that at least two of me, Generic, Geists, and Brian are not town? You seem to have put Geists as town, me and Generic as probably town, and Brian as null which is quite far off from her stance.-
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DOMO, can you explain your scumread on KoreanBBQ and subsequent reversal? It seemed like you accused them initially of making a lot of posts with little content and then unvoted when they said they saw you outing yourself in the large game signup. Did you feel that KBBQ's subsequent posts were townish? Did it have anything to do with the wagon forming on them. Take me through your whole thought process for the suspicion and the unvote.-
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The part about interactions is a good point. The biggest towntell to me was the push on Nacho. If ffery did it as scum, this would be a first. Also, the confidence in the push I find unlikely to come from scum. I have a few reservations but I'd rather wait to post them if they become relevant.In post 868, pieguyn wrote:mostly Tammy's points. also I find it kind of odd how she seemed excited I was in this game and hasn't interacted with me at all since then. I'd think there'd at least be some form of interaction even if it wasn't serious or game-related.
if it was just me I'd probably write it off as paranoia but the fact that other people are starting to see similar things makes me a bit worried for the moment
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Nat, what is your read on MafiaSSK? MafiaSSK, same question. From what I gathered, you two played a lot of games together.
Cephrir, in your 961, you say that I am "needling" Pieguyn over his read on GoodMorning which implies a negative tone based on your choice of word "needling." On the other hand, earlier in the post, you say you were glad that I objected to Pieguyn's read of GoodMorning. Why a negative tone towards something that you were glad happened?
In all the back-and-forth's I think Roflcopter is slipping through the gaps. I find him scummy. It boils down to the fact that Rofl is much more involved and passionate about the game as town than as scum. Information through lots of posts is good and pro-town. It is a natural scum-move to feign tiredness and groan at the massive amount of content that was generated. This especially holds true for players like Rofl who strongly prefer playing town to scum. There are a few others that are doing this but Rofl sticks out. I'll get back to this after reviewing Rofl's meta when I find a block of time.
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Yeah. I am unaware of whether he prefers town or scum. The other players I am referring to were Pitoli (for whom it seems to be a null-tell based on my last game with her), Cephrir (who said he was busy in the signup thread so it is likely null), GoodMorning (I still have my suspicions), and Desperado (but he is a competent scum player, so I doubt lurking is a scumtell for him).In post 1064, pieguyn wrote:ohi
@F-16:is SC one of the players you're referring to who are doing that? cause it seems like exactly what you said about rofl 0.0 I'm not too sure considering Varsoon hasn't posted at all, compared to rofl who's at least made a few posts to demonstrate this, but it could still fit under the category of slipping through the gaps. especially since it's a hydra, I get the feeling if Varsoon prefers town it could account for his disappearance
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Cabd, I have been putting plenty of effort into the game whenever I find time. I just haven't posted all of my thoughts into the thread. I also don't have any very strong reads yet other than Tammy being town. The rest are all based on gut and I am not really sure of any of them. I am also trying to keep the post count low and take a more laid back approach considering a lot of noise in the thread. I think this would help me focus on developing good reads while not getting dragged into pointless, time consuming, non-alignment indicative debates. If you want an example, see the mutual tunnels between me and Brian in Mentor and Mentee, and between me and Bulbazak in There is no Doctor. But if you want to talk about anything, I'm here.-
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My problem is that most of the town looking players are very good players (Cephrir, Pieguyn, Giests). I wouldn't put it past any of them to be capable of getting me to townread them as scum so I am not as complacent as I would be if I had townreads on players of average skill.
NY159: Rust – Things of note are the frequent use of language where he acts like he is forced to do stuff like “If I were to pick a scum read based on my first skim through the thread, I'd say BC is looking pretty bad with zab showing up as scum, he tires very hard to distance himself from zab.” DOMO’s ISO breakdown contain almost entirely information instead of analysis. He also postures with statements like “I can move him into scum camp if these questions are answered unfavourably for him.” He consistently complains about the thread moving faster than his other game which seems like an implicit excuse for inactivity stemming from guilt due to the lack of content. Some of his posts like 1080 come across as fake and a little too certain about his reads. The way he defends himself in 1261 is interesting by saying “I don't see why that's scummy.” Rev uses WIFOM in 1274 while admitting his mistakes “But I can't blame you guys for giving me heat for it.” He also again makes excuses for his actions saying “Why am I still awake”. Rev can be quite devious as shown in 1760 where he thanks scum for killing a player who had a large ISO to read making it easier for him to catch up. TheReverend can fake paranoia very well as evidenced by 1760 where he throws in caveats for his townreads by saying “unless bussing” or “unless very good at playing scum.” He undermines his reads several times as shown in 1770, “I could be wrong, but I am not in any hurry to lynch him.” He also postures a lot by making statements like “Yeah I'm not gonna be on the PH wagon any time soon” in essence declaring what he may or may not do. In 1806, he spends quite a while justifying his push rather than explain why his target is scummy. This shows that he is very concerned with how his pushes looks as opposed to actually finding scum and pushing them.
I am not sure what I found scummy in this game based on this. I must have made a mistake. I am going to look through his town games to come to some sort of conclusion.-
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Wanted to comment on this as well. DOMO is perfectly capable of faking paranoia as scum even though he tends to be paranoid as town. So, the "reaction," I see it as null.In post 880, geists wrote:
In an ordinary game I would have been horribly scummish in a burn it out root and branch way. In that game, I realized before the end of day 1 that for most players, their wincon would probably get easier if I recruited them. I felt bad for the players I was leaving to their own devices.In post 879, DOMO wrote:
Unfortunately I misread your role as townish and you were scummish, although friendly to me. I think the only time I recall you being proper scum was in hydra with bulba, and it was him I was able to read. I might have problems with you when you're scum.In post 814, geists wrote:You were the only damn town player in the Oz game. It was like a crash course in DOMO-reading.
Then I found out that I could make the wincon of some players I didn't recruit easier, too, by recruiting their enemies.
I would never have expected that being cult leader would feel like such a townish role. And I doubt it will seem very townish if I ever draw it again. Oz was pretty unique.
This would have been a nightmarish player list to draw scum in. Worse than Xenoblade because everyone in this player list has seen my town game multiple times and several of them have seen my scum game as well. I'd still be off in a corner crying about it.
Anyway. Given our past games I expected you'd find me calling you town a bit troubling, but not fly-into-the-rafters alarming. Your reaction hit the right notes.
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Can you give examples where you were both town and ffery was wrong about you? I want to compare.In post 1420, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
Town and wrong. Pushing me is one of the most reliable town tells ffery has, and this feels like a decent push.In post 1418, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, what is your read on Geists considering their case on you? Do you think they are town and wrong, or are they scum for it?-
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Okay. And what are those "waves crashing on the shore" that you picked up while missing the "ripples?" Which players were you referring to?In post 1428, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
I'm not sure these examples exist. Ffery and I are hitting a bit of an uncharted territory in our relationship.In post 1426, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Can you give examples where you were both town and ffery was wrong about you? I want to compare.In post 1420, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
Town and wrong. Pushing me is one of the most reliable town tells ffery has, and this feels like a decent push.In post 1418, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, what is your read on Geists considering their case on you? Do you think they are town and wrong, or are they scum for it?-
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I am poking around because your case and Nacho's responses are so vague it is taking me a while to understand it and verify its accuracy. I can see the motivation for making a case vague as you explained in your Power of Labels thread. I understand that part of it is a deliberate attempt to obfuscate what you are saying but you are doing it too well. Your current case crosses the boundary into being mostly incomprehensible to me. As you said in the same thread, letting someone get away with being so vague can be dangerous. I am trying to get as close as I can so I can reverse-engineer what you are talking about without actually asking you to reveal anything that you don't want to reveal. I am sorry for crossing the line accidentally, but I am putting in quite of bit of care to not do it.-
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Okay then. Help me though whichever parts you feel comfortable with.In post 1443, geists wrote:There are a number of other aspects of my suspicions you could focus on and delve into all the detail you like.
I'll let this slide.In post 1384, geists wrote:We don't like how he apparently missed a ton of crumbs
Who has he tried to curry favor with and where?In post 1384, geists wrote:We don't like how he seems to be currying favor with players rather than sorting them
Why would Nacho as scum have reason to believe that this will take attention away from him as opposed to increase attention through people questioning him about the Pitoli vote?In post 1384, geists wrote:We don't like the pitoli vote and especially don't like its timing. It came off like he was trying to deflect attention after we first went after him.
He did the same to Buldermar in Hunterx so just the act of it is null. But I can agree that doing it after you suspected him doesn't feel right.In post 1384, geists wrote:We don't like how he tried to push the non-aggression pact on us.
In post 1384, geists wrote:We don't like the whole tone of the exchange with Brian. The whole tone of that sounded off.
I agree that it is unique based on my meta of Brian. He never entered a game that way so I can understand why Nacho not questioning him on it could be suspicious.In post 1419, geists wrote:Brian came into the game with a hard edge. That's unique in the games I've played with him. You interacted with him, but didn't seem curious about the hard edge in his posting.
Agree about Thor.In post 1384, geists wrote:And we found Thor's posts pretty damn close to null content.
This is good too.In post 1384, geists wrote:And finally, we don't like that when we asked him what he thought about SSK, he said that he was thinking about moving his vote there if Thor agrees. That was off for two reasons: the assumption that we were scumreading, not trying to sort SSK, and because he deferred the decision waiting for a catch up. That's not something he typically does as a hydra.
I have no clue what this means.In post 1419, geists wrote:Maybe not, but it also meant you missed a ton of subtext around other players' reactions. That's a degree of not thinking like I'm thinking that scares me.
Without regards to a specific crumb, why would you expect Nacho to pick up crumbs as town as opposed to scum? I am assuming this is referring to breadcrumbs about roles unless you are using an entirely different definition of "crumbs." Whose FOS on you are referring to? Is your "working hypothesis" something you plan to reveal during the course of this game?In post 1422, geists wrote:I flew by one, got FoSed for it, went back, over-estimated what it was about, tested that, and eventually had a working hypothesis. That was one ripple of many. You didn't react to any of that.-
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I thought about it and I don't think it is a good idea. I read a lot more into it than you give me credit for. I'll explain it at endgame/site chat after the game ends if you want but I'd rather not now. I think scum would be in a WIFOM position right now and I like it. I get why you are scumreading me (or are pretending to do so if scum) but you are off-base partly because I don't look for PR claims as town - attitudinal or otherwise.-
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Why do you expect town to "catch it?" From experience, I find town are a lot more oblivious to PR claims although it depends on the player.In post 1451, BROseidon wrote:Anyone from Xenogears who didn't catch it deserves scrutiny, though.-
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