At least one of your premises is way off. You get to decide which.In post 1564, DOMO wrote:ffery if you're scum and nacho town you should totally NK him to fuck with me.
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You understand that I would have to respond pretty much exactly that way no matter what my alignment, right?In post 1652, BROseidon wrote:
Respond the way ffery did, which is to acknowledge it subtly enough that the message would slip through only to me/Cabd/other townies in the know.In post 1526, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:And why would the optimal response from town who caught the crumb be any different? Wouldn't they also townread the two players for other reasons and leave it be? It is suboptimal to say anything about the crumb. What exactly do you mean "phone in on it?"
You're talking to the guy who used a cross-game reference to slip a large amount of information about an incredibly relevant setup issue to one person in a 19 person game. There are ways of doing this sort of thing in a way that's obfuscated enough that most people won't pick up on it.-
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There was back and forth about this later in the thread. If you still need more after plowing through that, let me know.
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How so?In post 1757, MC Maraca wrote:
I think Roflcopter is probably town.In post 1753, Sakura Hana wrote:
Wait what.In post 1751, MC Maraca wrote:Uprade Copter to town, maybe.-
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I think this is addressed to Mara, but you're also appealing to "one of the meta crowd", so I'll throw my tuppens in.In post 1780, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
Serious question; do you think and/or have ever seen Tammy fake emotions as scum? Because Nacho is acting like that's writ in the stars, and you seem flakey on it, so one of you is talking out your backside as far as the read goes. So whassup with this? She is either emotive and thus gawd town, or she is emotive and able to fake it in which case I'd like one of the meta crowd to slap Nacho in the face with a rolled up newspaper.In post 1751, MC Maraca wrote:Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as Smurf though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.
I've played one game where Tammy was scum. She made a lot of the same declarations of towniness in that game. When players doubted her she used a lot of the same words to assert that she was towntowntown. But, it wasn't the same. There were no strong emotions - anger, surprise, smugness, whatever, fizzing through those posts.
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She said afterwards that it was not her best scum game by quite a stretch, so she may be better at simulating her town reactions than that game would indicate.In post 1787, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
This is mind blowing to me. Tammy should work with me for one game and she'd be unlynchable in her next scum game whenever she so wished it.In post 1785, geists wrote:I've played one game where Tammy was scum. She made a lot of the same declarations of towniness in that game. When players doubted her she used a lot of the same words to assert that she was towntowntown. But, it wasn't the same. There were no strong emotions - anger, surprise, smugness, whatever, fizzing through those posts.
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Stuff Crust is town unless GiF tells me otherwise.In post 1790, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I feel like that was a cruel game to make me iso someone for no purpose.
What's your read on Desp and the Stuffed Crust wagon right now?
Also a read on Ceph.
Desp I am leaning town on for sort of contra-meta reasons.
Ceph I'm doing a reset on, but I think I'll still settle on town.
pieguyn is actually worrying me some.
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The point of that game was that there was no outburst, not even close, even though some players did express doubts about her, and I think Bert had a vote on her for at least a while.In post 1790, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I feel like that was a cruel game to make me iso someone for no purpose.
What's your read on Desp and the Stuffed Crust wagon right now?
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No.In post 1797, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
About this, I dislike Pieguyn's case on StuffedCrust but a lot of his other behavior and total proactiveness and persistent following of leads read town to me. Do you have a scum game of Pieguyn that you are comparing with?In post 1794, geists wrote:pieguyn is actually worrying me some.
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He moved on quite easily and apparently hasn't had a second thought about us since then.In post 1802, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
From what I recall, he came into the game accusing you of being scum and wanting interactions with you and to discuss reads. What do you mean by "buttonholed?"In post 1800, geists wrote:But, I find it odd that he hasn't buttonholed me so far. IME, he's been in a hurry to sort me.
buttonhole - 3. To accost and detain (a person) in conversation by or as if by grasping the person's outer garments
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I've seen scum-zmuffin replace into a large game with a ton of pages.In post 1857, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
I expect you to pick up on this more than anyone else in thread. If you're not picking up on it, we will be sitting on a we'll see basis.In post 1714, geists wrote:Nacho, more details about your zmuffin read plz.
There are things I don't like about his play, but it's not because he's reminding me strongly of Death's Diner.
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Who are you addressing?In post 1861, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Pie guy vote seems pretty gowiththeflow. Why didn't you question me about my muffin read? I would expect you to be especially interested in it, but you didn't even attempt to address it.-
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There are some things I feel are missing from his play this game compared to the two completed games I have with him. I know he's mentioned that he feels lost in larger games, but I'm not sure why a larger game would contribute to what I feel is missing.In post 1921, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Arthur, I generally townhunt much more than I scumhunt and try to catch scum through POE, so I am going to end up defending a lot more than attacking. My post about Tammy/Maraca was probably one of my most heartfelt ones in this game and I don't like the dismissal of it as whiteknighting.
I got the opposite impression from Pieguyn's posts. It felt as if he was scumhunting constantly right from the moment he replaced in. He came in, questioning Sakura, then moved onto DOMO, and then to StuffedCrust. He seemed to have plenty of cases and he listed quite a few scumreads in his reads list. Tell me how he has done 0 scunhunting.-
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You've never played a game with scum-me. How are you determining what would or wouldn't come from scum me?In post 1938, pieguyn wrote:wait what the fuck ffery is actually misreading me? what the fuck is going on I don't even
I got a townread on you early on and I'm p sure of it. there were some things you did that seem like they wouldn't come from scum-you. iirc trying to get people off the DOMO wagon and your push on Nacho. basically I tried to form a set of townreads early on that I wouldn't have to worry about later bc I don't think I could handle scumhunting elsewhere while simultaneously looking in my townreads to make sure they were all correct.In post 1800, geists wrote:But, I find it odd that he hasn't buttonholed me so far. IME, he's been in a hurry to sort me.
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THIS IS NOT A SERIATIM LIST
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1. Tammy - p much strongest town read.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - lots of footnotes but we're here for now. Would like to hear what the point of the crumb gambit was.
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Nati feels stronger about this read than ffery does, but both are pretty comfortable at this point.
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - unless GiF says otherwise.
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - this read could go stale fast, though. Right now, they're almost on a par with Tammy as far as ffery is concerned.
18. DOMO - for ffery this read weakened a little. Listening to Mara for now.
Maybe Town
3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - both of us are happier with Nacho's posts over the last couple of days, particularly the strong flashes of sincerity. But, as ffery mentioned in an earlier post many of the subjects where sincerity shined through are alignment neutral. ffery maintains some caution.
7. Ser Arthur Daynepitoli- we had pitoli in scumpile, but replace-out moves her/SAD up considerably. We really liked his opening. Should probably move him to top tier, but ffery wants more data first.
11. BROseidon - we can see town and scum motivations for going along with the gambit, and feel like he's coasting a bit on the perceived boost in townread
14. goodmorning - somebody else sort her please :/
15. Sakura Hana - could see a scum team with Sakura and pieguyn actually. Nati would move her to not so town.
19. Cephrir - both of us are seeing more scumrir flickers than cephtown flickers as the day has progressed. Would consider moving him down a grouping.
Not so Town
6. Generic - engagement, comments on game state seem meh to me. Will go with what Nati thinks.
10. pieguynSonOfZeus- for ~reasons~. Want to see how this develops.
12. Brian Skies - almost in not enough data, but his edgy tone concerns me. I can see it coming from a town place, maybe, kinda, but not convinced.
20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. ffery might go for the maybe town group based on the unabashed playstyle change-up. Nati believing des-posts for a second right now
Null or Not enough data
REPLACEMENTroflcopter- ffery has one prior game, which was also fast moving. He was town. If he bitched about the thread speed and length, it certainly wasn't the bulk of his input.
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You took my word for it? really?In post 1963, pieguyn wrote:
you both were in AA:MFA as this same hydra and I still felt p confident after ffery directed me towards her stash of townpoints she had after playing peacemaker the whole time.In post 1961, geists wrote:As a rule, pie, you should remember--regardless of your thoughts on ffery-scum(she's actually pretty good at it when she tries) that there is part of this head that is known for being positively dastardly as scum.-
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I doubt it would be meaningful to you. It's mostly stuff about how nacho and I read each other from game to game. So, lots of meta, and acknowledgement that in our recent games meta isn't nearly as useful as it once was. Every game seems to start considerably below ground zero lately.In post 1968, zMuffinMan wrote:what strong flashes of sincerity from nacho?
why is goodmorning in your maybetown list with "somebody else sort her please"?
also you left mafiassk out of that list?
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Good.In post 1970, MC Maraca wrote:
She's my mason buddy dontchaknow?In post 1966, geists wrote:14. goodmorning - somebody else sort her please :/
Nah but really; there's certain things I equate with GM scum and she's done none of them so far, so you can call it a weak town read from me.
I somehow mangled some words in that. Nati is not believing his posts right now. I have this bias about meta-changes, that players are more likely to own them up front as town than as scum, but it's a weak bias. It's more of a hydra conflict than an internal one, and I'm weighing Nati's opinions here pretty strongly.MC Maraca wrote:
You'll have to clarify this one; it sounds conflicted and not like he's in the scumpile.In post 1966, geists wrote:20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. ffery might go for the maybe town group based on the unabashed playstyle change-up. Nati believing des-posts for a second right now
It felt strong and assertive. Much easier for town to replace in on a strong footing IMO.pieguyn wrote:what do you like about SAD's opening?
It's a meta read. If I need to explain it, that will have to wait until tomorrow because my ability to string words together has taken a hit in the last couple hours.can you explain your read on KoreanBBQ plz?
"I'm town as fuck because I never do xyz as scum."
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I wrote that this morning when I was hoping either someone else would notice what I was noticing or you would step it up. I wound up giving away part of the ~reasons~ in a reply to F16.In post 1975, pieguyn wrote:no I'm in the not so town pile
still wanna know why but it seems they won't explain it yet ._.
It's a growing sense of unease about his stances, pushes and votes. I don't like some of the targets. That's true of other players' targets as well, but there's just something scummy and (yeah I'm using this word) opportunistic about his pushes.@geists:sry, forgot. can you also explain the Cephrir read?-
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I have more well rounded experiential meta with GiF. Nero and I have a few games together but we've both been town in all our completed games. So, it's both, but I'm leaning harder on the GiF meta because of more games played when he was scum.In post 1982, pieguyn wrote:on GIF or nero?-
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yes.In post 1983, pieguyn wrote:
did you notice Cephrir had me in his town pile and then the suspicion started shifting my way and said he was starting to agree with me-scum?In post 1981, geists wrote:It's a growing sense of unease about his stances, pushes and votes. I don't like some of the targets. That's true of other players' targets as well, but there's just something scummy and (yeah I'm using this word) opportunistic about his pushes.
I goof around and change my list section titles from time to time. Right now, I'm riffing on my own tendency to focus on town reads and town blocs.Generic wrote:
Why the hell call it something so ambiguous?In post 1986, geists wrote:@generic "not so town" is our scumpile.
Post 1987. Nati's pretty comfortable with you as town atm, so we moved you up. I missed that change when I made the revisions to the reads list.And loving the OMGUS from you, have you ever explained your scum read on me?
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Did I say enough yesterday (not just last night) for you to know where I am coming from on this?In post 1976, MC Maraca wrote:That should be appended to "reasons for pie" because I'd like more than ~reasons~ and if ffery is obvtowning me she has plenty of ways to tell me whats up one to one in code of sorts.-
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I would like to see your answers.
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This is actually IMO more typical of his town game than his scum game lately. I mean I can think back to the first game I played with him on MS and he just drifted along (especially on day 1) and let town start the self destruct process. But that was almost a year ago, and it was a very different player list.In post 1993, zMuffinMan wrote:@nosfferati
ok. i'm actually kinda meh about my ability to read nacho, but the main reason i don't like them at the moment is that it feels a lot like they're coasting along and content with not creating any friction while doing not a lot of anything. kinda hypocritical coming from me given the start i've had this game, but meh, i'm still getting my bearings in this game.
Think about bork's Touhou game. Nacho basically played it by not being around. When he was around he didn't drift. He just wasn't around enough for town to expect him to get shit done.
Thor seems ready to pick a direction and start pushing, which is very Thor no matter what his alignment. Nacho looks like he's still trying to figure shit out so he knows what direction to pick. I can relate, because that's where I'm at. I have a scumpile but I'm not very happy with it.
I feel like Nacho thinks I should be seeing something really alarming meta-wise in your play, and I'm just not. The thing that worries me is how uninvolved you are, which I don't associate with your scum game at all.i also don't like the way they're forming their reads. it doesn't look like what i'd expect from them as town. e.g. i'm not really sure what's going on with their read on me. i've never seen nacho use meta as a primary means for reading me, not to mention how horribly half-assed that meta read on me is - granted i don't have much content yet to go on, but this just felt like him trying to push the idea that i'm not playing to some concept of my town meta he apparently has and calling me scum without properly analysing. and thor's read on me in 1780 just completely ignored nacho's analysis, which makes me go, "wtf?" the other reads i've seen from them haven't been any more impressive
I can't remember if I said this last night, but a 10 inch screen, undersized keyboard, and pig-slow processor has been a huge disincentive to get into huge back-and-forths. I made the effort with Nacho because sorting him always helps me bring the rest of the game into focus and because he was making even less palatable effort replying to me on an iPad.btw, if you're having trouble sorting me, why not, you know, ask me stuff?
Later today I should be back up to speed and yelling about how horrible Win8 is.
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Noted. This was a Nati read, and I doubt I conveyed the nuance very well. Nati thought the entrance was strong. I've liked his posts since entrance but will have to meta him to get much of a personal read. iirc we've played one game together, but hardly had any contiguous time in the game because I died shortly after he replaced in.In post 1999, Tammy wrote:Geists - Assertive is not a town tell for Arthur. I *kinda* like his posting so far, but we'll see.-
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From my perspective it just looked like he was never around and never caught up in that game.In post 2017, zMuffinMan wrote:
eh, that's kinda what i remember him doing, actuallygeists wrote:When he was around he didn't drift
So, you're thinking town-Desp and town-Pieguy? Or are they null atm?
i agree with the "town" reads, but i'm nowhere near as confident about some of them as you seem to begeists wrote:Where do your reads differ from mine?
i'm thinking casso, sakura and maybe goodmorning from your maybe town list could be scum
the only scum read you have that i agree with is brian
I think my middle and bottom tiers are going to be pretty fluid for a while.
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IIn post 2074, Stuffed Crust wrote:hey fferyisha, why don't you sort us yourself instead of leaving it to GIF?havesorted you. However, if GiF decides this is scum-varsoon, I'll pay attention.-
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This makes some sense, and kinda explains the differences between what I saw of him in this game and the only other game I played with him. I was wondering if having the role he did (a cop in a dethy within the larger game) kept him engaged despite the huge thread issue, and maybe the hydra issue, too. Syr and I played as Rift Adrift in that game.In post 2083, Tammy wrote:In post 2003, pieguyn wrote:
can you talk to me about this plzIn post 2000, Tammy wrote:roflcopter was probstown.
It's a gut read. Rofl doesn't like hydras, so his complaints are expected. The only thing is that he also doesn't like playing scum, but iirc he replaced out of mastin's? Game for too much noise. Don't quote me on that I only very loosely followed that game, and he replaced out of empires last game because of a hydra being in it.
Anyway, rofl's pretty aggressive either alignment but the couple times I've seen him as scum, he's come across weirdly aggressive. I liked what he did post at a gut level.-
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Still leaning town.In post 2093, Generic wrote:Geists. What is your current read on mcmaraca?-
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Now that you have glanced further, what are your thoughts about the game?In post 2085, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Took your first few intro as a scumclaim. That's as far as I glanced in this game.In post 2077, Stuffed Crust wrote:
so where are we with you? and GiF is voting us for reasons unknown; does that affect your read?In post 2075, geists wrote:
IIn post 2074, Stuffed Crust wrote:hey fferyisha, why don't you sort us yourself instead of leaving it to GIF?havesorted you. However, if GiF decides this is scum-varsoon, I'll pay attention.-
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Why do you think it's a scum lynch?In post 2112, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Hey Stuffed, hop onto MC and make this a viable lynch.-
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Pieguyn read is in flux and moving townward for me. Haven't had a chance to talk to Nati about it.In post 2120, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
How about you explain to me why Maraca is town, Pieguyn is scum, and the assorted other questions I left for you and ffery although those two are a priority.In post 2118, geists wrote:Yoyo f-16 bro, I'mma let chu finish but your last few posts SUUUUUUUCCCKKKKKK.
Maraca's explanation for the purpose of the crumbs makes sense to me, though I felt that the carnival atmosphere of RVS extended well beyond its quick transition. I think that's a function of the player list more than anything. The very real animosities swirling around this game are a serious downer, though. I'm p much conflict averse atm. I feel like Tammy's read is probably overly influenced by that. And I agree with Nati.. Your posts gave me a sense that you were trying to fan the flames.
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My vote is on Ceph.In post 2122, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Glad we agree on Pieguyn. I am trying to stay away from conflict as well after my battle with Bulb in that Micro game. My scumread on Maraca has nothing to do with any conflicts I might have with them although I am annoyed by their stunt which may have influenced my read. I'll rethink that issue although I still find them scummier than Stuffed and Pie. I am having trouble seeing who would be a better lynch today. What are your thoughts on who should be lynched today?
At the very least it was distinctly uncharitable.F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Also, calling it "fanning the flames" is a bit unfair considering you specifically asked for my reasons for pushing MC.
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We talked about the differences in Cabd's town and scum gambits a few games back. What are your thoughts about his RVS-phase breadcrumbs from that perspective?-
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This pings. We haven't played that many games but I don't recall you being this passive about your scum reads and votes.In post 2140, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Yes, exactly. If nobody else wants to vote you, pushing your lynch would be a waste of effort and best put off for the next day.In post 2137, MC Maraca wrote:So my gambit expired a shitton of pages ago, and F-16 chooses to vote me over it..... now that tammy is voting me and others have expressed some sort of interest? Yawn.-
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Experiential meta. This is a ffery read, but I don't think Nati disagrees.In post 2011, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:@ ffery and Nat, the vast majority of your reads have no reasons attached to them. The "text" beside the read is merely a statement of how strong it is, whose read it is, and how it developed. I was expecting an actual reads list with your reasons for those reads. Elaborate onwhyyou have the reads you do would be much appreciated.
Why?
Cabd's gambits are necessarily subdued early during a normal game. The available room for crazy-gambiting is constrained by the normal rules. In NY 165 his day 2 gambits and gambit-assists all looked totally pro-town to me though in retrospect the scum motivation was more clear. As an RVS gambit this one worked well. It didn't become a joke, which was most of the reason why I kept in mind that the crumbs might be real. I doubt anyone picked up on this, but I thought BRO's reaction was too blatant and decided he likely wasn't the hypothetical mason partner. I had you picked out, though I'd have to look back to find the posts that made me think that. I tested that theory and got back no echoes, and discarded it.
Why town? This is where I disagree the strongest. I am unable to see the town motivation in their posting and Cabd gambits usually have an extremely pro-town motivation if he is town. I assume those footnotes will be revealed later.In post 1966, geists wrote:4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - lots of footnotes but we're here for now. Would like to hear what the point of the crumb gambit was.
Mara's thing with Tammy is (in general terms) something I've seen her do as town with other players, including myself in the Paradox Prime game. Cabd wasn't too happy with her poking at me in that game, and I'm seeing a similar dynamic between them here. I really think this has gotten overblown, and has become a blight on the game. I fight an urge to replace out every time it comes back up. And I think both parties (and players who keep fanning it) are beating a dead horse.
For me, this read is kinda out of date, and I don't remember Nati's reasons exactly so he'll have to answer that part if he hasn't already. The reasons for my weaker read had to do with the fact that you weren't a strong presence in the game thread for the first 30-40 pages, which is different from what I've seen in other games we've played. I also thought it was odd that you weren't making a strong effort to sort me given that the majority of our games together I've been scum.
I want to hear both of your reasons for this as well, especially Nat's.In post 1966, geists wrote:5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Nati feels stronger about this read than ffery does, but both are pretty comfortable at this point.
Precisely because he can read Varsoon very well. Varsoon's and my playstyles clash pretty strongly and IME the more I interact with him the worse that clash becomes.
I agree but why? I can understand the appeal to GIF though since he can apparently read Varsoon very well.In post 1966, geists wrote:9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - unless GiF says otherwise.
This is one of those reads I feel that clarifying would mean giving up info that would help him fool me in future scum games. :/ It has to do with his reaction testing.
Why?In post 1966, geists wrote:13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - this read could go stale fast, though. Right now, they're almost on a par with Tammy as far as ffery is concerned.
Some of his expressed paranoia reminded me of his play in NY 165. One of the interesting things about the OZ game to me was how he reached out to players he was paranoid about to try and improve his read. He's right that the game was not a good touchstone for his town game. It was a game about factions and alliances, not town vs scum.
What was the reason for the initial read and why did it weaken now? I had the opposite reaction. I was unsure of his initial posts but I am leaning more towards him being town now.In post 1966, geists wrote:18. DOMO - for ffery this read weakened a little. Listening to Mara for now.
It's not a meta-based read. In a general sense, his opening looked like the sort of initial stance a town player would take. He seems less involved now, though, and that concerns me a little.
What about his opening did you like? I played with Arthur before and hydra'd with him once as town in Black Flag Nightless (although that was a really long time ago) and I didn't find his opening similar but it is likely he has a variety of openings as town. I am null on him right now.In post 1966, geists wrote:7. Ser Arthur Daynepitoli- we had pitoli in scumpile, but replace-out moves her/SAD up considerably. We really liked his opening. Should probably move him to top tier, but ffery wants more data first.
I always find her play on the scummy side. Whether I try to get her lynched mostly depends on whether I mislynched her recently.In post 1966, geists wrote:14. goodmorning - somebody else sort her please :/
I thought the 1v1 with pieguy looked forced and perfunctory on both sides, like they were 1v1-ing because it's expected of them. This was particularly on the pieguyn side, which was why I was scumreading him. I assume you'll ask about my read on him further down so I'll save the rest.
How so? And this is something you plan to say later, is Sakura scummy by herself, and how?In post 1966, geists wrote:15. Sakura Hana - could see a scum team with Sakura and pieguyn actually. Nati would move her to not so town.
I'll do this in a separate post if you still want it. His frustration and AtE has considerably undermined this read.
Can you link the posts that gave you a scumread? I was reading through Ceph-games earlier and want to see if it matches with my results.In post 1966, geists wrote:19. Cephrir - both of us are seeing more scumrir flickers than cephtown flickers as the day has progressed. Would consider moving him down a grouping.
This should have been in the maybe-town group.
Okay.In post 1966, geists wrote:Not so Town
6. Generic - engagement, comments on game state seem meh to me. Will go with what Nati thinks.
My ~reasons~ came down to stuff that I am used to seeing in his town game. This read has soften considerably based on his later postings. The tone looks like sincere confusion to me, and although my own nacho read has moved townward and I think a lot of pieguy's scumread has to do with Thor. My read of Casso is mostly predicated on Nacho's posts, and I don't expect that to change. Maybe with a few more games I'll have a better sense of how to read Thor.
In post 1966, geists wrote:12. Brian Skies - almost in not enough data, but his edgy tone concerns me. I can see it coming from a town place, maybe, kinda, but not convinced.
Who would you lynch D1?In post 1966, geists wrote:20. Desperado - such a huge and intentional meta change feels town, but I dunno. ffery might go for the maybe town group based on the unabashed playstyle change-up. Nati believing des-posts for a second right now
Undecided now. I need to revisit my reads list and do some ISOs.
Tammy's comments on roflcopter make sense to me. I'll keep them in mind in evaluating his replacement at least for day 1.In post 1966, geists wrote:Null or Not enough data
REPLACEMENTroflcopter- ffery has one prior game, which was also fast moving. He was town. If he bitched about the thread speed and length, it certainly wasn't the bulk of his input.
These look fine.In post 1966, geists wrote:17. zMuffinMantalah- This doesn't look like his town game so far. Also doesn't look at all like his replace-in scum game. Still evaluating.-
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I do defend my townreads, but I'm not scumreading anyone who attacks MC. If I were, Tammy wouldn't be my strongest townread. Afaik, the only person I'm "attacking" about MC Maraca is you.In post 2224, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:@ Geists, the thing that is bothering me about you is that you are very quick to criticise and scumread anyone who attacks MC but you haven't said anything at all about Mara's attack. You say you are conflict averse but you haven't critisized the instigator of the conflict. You are merely pushing at anyone that calls them out. That doesn't seem genuine to me. It seems as though in your mind, MC can create as much conflict as they want but anyone that calls them out and scumreads them for creating that conflict is discredited or scumread which doesn't make any sense.
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For reals?In post 2221, KoreanBBQ wrote:I sense fear in some of his posts. Kill him dead!
He's reminding me of Bork's touhou game, except that he's not scumreading me yet. Maybe because I'm not making prickly replies to half his posts this time.
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