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No, you're always rightroflcopter wrote:korts you of all people should know i'm always right, now stop being obstinate and answer the question.
what harm can there be from having everyone say which of the two they find scummier? i did not ask people to immediately vote, you'll notice.eventually. Now stop singling out armlx and strife based on two posts each. You're directing all attention at them, that's what's harmful in the longer term.scumchat never die-
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The harm? Well, the harm is that after half a page of random discussion, you seem decided that the lynch should be one of the two, and you're essentially trying to force everyone, with this question, to choose one of the two whether or not they think someone else is scummier.roflcopter wrote:i repeat, what harm can there be from having everyone say which of the two they find scummier?
That is by no means an excuse for directing the whole town's suspicions.roflcopter wrote: do you not realize that when everyone answers this question the first couple of pages will be a figurative goldmine of information to go through later after future alignment reveals?
I refuse to participate in it because I'd rather not choose either of the two while you're scummier.roflcopter wrote: you are trying to prevent something that can only help the town, and you're refusing to participate in it.scumchat never die-
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Read before you write. The rolefishing is not in any kind of relation to rofl's pressure on armlx. What rofl calls rolefishing is the that armlx immediately asked why rofl considered Iron Man to be innocent, which could be taken the way of wanting to out an investigation result.forbiddanlight wrote:um, wow, no random voting stage? To be fair, I honestly feel likevoting roflcopterhere because quite honestly, armix's post doesn't look like rolefishing, it looks like an honest defense to what looks like a ridiculous crusade on your part that takes up half of page 1.
Not that blatant, I think. True, there's reason in your point, but you're blowing it out of proportion.roflcopter wrote:i really hope that armlx himself isn't the only one in this game who is experienced enough to realize i just caught him blatantly rolefishing.
Greasy Spot, Forbiddanlight, don't answer if you don't feel that either of armlx/strife is the scummiest so far in the game.roflcopter wrote: greasy spot, forbiddanlight: why ignore the question i asked? please answer it.scumchat never die-
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I just think if rofl keeps pushing for answers to the question, and I keep pushing against it, the effect will be for efforts to be nullified and the people's voice to be heard untarnished.iamausername wrote:
Why should that affect their inclination to answer? If they think someone else is scummier, I'm sure they're perfectly capable of saying so.Korts wrote:Greasy Spot, Forbiddanlight, don't answer if you don't feel that either of armlx/strife is the scummiest so far in the game.scumchat never die-
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roflcopter wrote: just to clarify, my vote for strife was complete and utter bullshit, whereas my vote for armlx was not, and the reason i paired them and asked who was scummier was to see who was gonna try and keep the attention off of armlx by saying strife when strife really hasn't done anything wrong.korts went one step further by vehemently denying the whole attempt to draw out information.obviously nobody is going along with my request at this point, so i'm just gonna point out now that korts/armlx working so hard to shoot it down is another thing that makes me all but positive that armlx is scum and reasonably sure korts is one of his partners.
DON'T misrepresent me, buster. You're gonna get in trouble. You're untouchable for today, but there's the remote (very remote) chance of this being a scum gambit. So DON'T misrepresent me.Korts wrote:
Not that blatant, I think. True, there's reason in your point, but you're blowing it out of proportion.roflcopter wrote:i really hope that armlx himself isn't the only one in this game who is experienced enough to realize i just caught him blatantly rolefishing.
No, you don't understand. I don't object to the question, I object to the phrasing and the insistence that everyone choose one out of the two. Basically, I object to the false dichotomy that our choice is either strife or armlx. But this point is irrelevant now anyway.iamausername wrote:
Eh, I can kind of see where you're coming from, but I think it's equally possible that a pro-town player would ask that because they don't want to let anyone set a precedent of making statements about other people's alignments without anything to back them up.roflcopter wrote:@iamausername, you may think its a stupid trap, but it worked. when someone says "player x is obvtown" at the start of day one, and someone else says "why?" the only answer they're looking for or thinking is "because i'm a town power role duh."
Unvote, Vote: Korts, by the way. I can't see a pro-town reason to object so strongly to this line of questioning.
This post makes my scumsenses tingle. Why aren't you even considering a town gambit? Oh, you add something referencing it, three minutes later. It's like you didn't want to be seen desperately throwing shit:StrangerCoug wrote:roflcopter's #14 is a big fat scum tell to me, and the only way he can know for sure that Iron Man is town is if he is either scum or cop, the latter of which is idiotic. The post after his asks why he thinks so, and he shoots it off as saying the question is scummy and refuses to explain why said question is such.
If his first post started with the words "I think" or "I'm pretty sure that" and he backed himself up, this would be a different story, but neither is the case here.
Vote: roflcopter
Actually, though, that's not a defense, that's an accusation.StrangerCoug wrote:EBWOP: I don't buy roflcopter's defense that armlx was rolefishing, either.scumchat never die-
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It was already in awesome mode without you claiming. Thanks, though. I guess...roflcopter wrote:i'd rather lynch armlx but apparently i'm alone in that.
i'm also willing to lynch blakadder for opportunistic voting and strangercoug for obvscummery.
you're welcome, everyone, for thrusting this game immediately into hardcore awesome mode.scumchat never die-
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Whoa man. No he wasn't. He wasn't wagoned to claim, he claimed because Lowell asked the masons to claim and he happened to be one.armlx wrote:
I don't think a single person here agrees with you on the role fishing part, as evidenced by the fact you were wagoned to claim after your posts about it.armlx, you just aren't going to admit that making legitimate points against you like rolefishing and poisoning the well make this obviously not omgus, are you?scumchat never die-
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And this (rofl being dumb/listening to Lowell) puts rofl's claim in a completely different place on the time scale, basically nullifying your point that you were trying to prove with the "wagon to claim" statement:armlx wrote:
In that case, he is just dumb for listening to Lowell.he claimed because Lowell asked the masons to claim and he happened to be one.
Because listening to Lowell about the mason claim isn't even remotely linked to the rolefishing point.armlx wrote:
I don't think a single person here agrees with you on the role fishing part, as evidenced by the fact you were wagoned to claim after your posts about it.armlx, you just aren't going to admit that making legitimate points against you like rolefishing and poisoning the well make this obviously not omgus, are you?scumchat never die-
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I can buy that explanation, for now.Sun Tzu wrote:
I thought it was obvious.Korts wrote:
Guys, no. Reasons, reasons, reasons. Don't be a hypocrite. You're wagoning Vamp for wagoning forbiddan for wanting to wagon StrangerCoug.Sun Tzu wrote:vote Vamparific
The case against forbiddanlight looks good too.Make a case.
unvote, vote: Sun Tzu
"lol i keep screwing myself over" reads like a confession to me, as in "oops, I keep getting caught as scum."
Or you could've gone and researched SC (StrangerCoug FYI) to see if your intuition was right. Playing mafia takes a little effort sometimes, but you could actually take ten minutes to search for something specifically scummy instead of citing intuition. Andforbiddanlight wrote:Mostly what I already brought up. And fix your quotes in another post, PLEASE. You seem to think my reasons for voting you and vamp are the same. They aren't, and I have much more substantiation with Vamp (which still isn't much, but it's D1). Your case is mostly intuition, meaning I'd basically rather wait, as you say, to see what others thing to see what my intuition is going off on, since I can't seem to find much else than what I actually put down for my reasons for FoSing you. I think that covers it.thisis why my vote goes back to you.
unvote, vote: forbiddanlight
By the way, Lowell, adding reason to your argument always helps. That advice doesn't go to Vamp and Sun Tzu only.scumchat never die-
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I can agree with the last part, at least. Vamp needs to answer the case against him, and I'd be interested to hear who his top suspects are.forbiddanlight wrote:Meh, I don't know if I CAN make a case. I know what you say about intuition, but mine is rather frustrating as it's something I usually can't consciously pick out quickly. I'll relook it over (I did it once), but I don't think I'll get anywhere with that case. The case on Vamp, however, is not looking good in my eyes. He hasn't even TRIED to defend himself.
unvote, vote: Vamp
Sigh. Looks like my vote's on world tour, it just doesn't want to settle down anywhere. There's always someplace better for it...scumchat never die-
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And with that, you've just given away that you're not the vig. Good job.armlx wrote:
I will be happy to argue the logic behind N0 vigging outside the thread some other time, but for now no one should bring up the subject any more as it will give away who can't be the vig if people agree/disagree.This is poor logic because there is 5 scum compared to 15 town. So even if you eliminate 1 town (the vig himself), it's still only a 5 in 19 chance of hitting scum, with a decent chance of hitting a town power role.
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I'm sorry, how's that rolefishing? I didn't ask armlx to confirm this, and I didn't ask the vig to claim, nor did I imply that it should be done. I call BS, boy.iamausername wrote:
roflcopter, this is what rolefishing looks like.Korts wrote:
And with that, you've just given away that you're not the vig. Good job.armlx wrote:
I will be happy to argue the logic behind N0 vigging outside the thread some other time, but for now no one should bring up the subject any more as it will give away who can't be the vig if people agree/disagree.This is poor logic because there is 5 scum compared to 15 town. So even if you eliminate 1 town (the vig himself), it's still only a 5 in 19 chance of hitting scum, with a decent chance of hitting a town power role.
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As a matter of fact, I can see how that post hurt the town, I just couldn't help pointing out that armlx's post was unhelpful in the sense that he basically claimed non-vig. And actually, now that I re-read armlx's reasoning, I realized I read it wrong the first time, as in armlx didn't deny being the vig in any way. Ah well.iamausername wrote:What benefit did you think that post could have?scumchat never die-
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Oh, that it hurts the town? Way after. I thought I was being helpful, actually.Korts wrote:
Did I see what before I posted?forbiddanlight wrote:Ok, one thing, did you see it before you posted or after, Korts? Doing something because you "can't help yourself" isn't good play. (yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, but it's still true).scumchat never die-
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Paraphrase. God gave you a brain and a mouth, say it in your own words.BlakAdder wrote:@ rofl:
I understand why you're thinking this way, but you're reading a bit too much into what I say. First, this is just how my thought processes work. Second, by the time that I got back to the thread, looked over the posts that were made in my absence, and found someone scummy, everyone else had already said what I thought was suspicious of the other players. I didn't think it would give me much credibility if I just quoted everybody.
@armlx: you are trying to prepare multiple lynches. Not good. Real bad. And what is this connection that you speak of?
@fl: policy lynches (lynching Vamp because he's not likely to play insightfully) are bad for town, because policy lynching draws attention away from scumhunting, while also declaring the necessity for someone to die regardless of alignment. This does not lead to winning. I'm explaining this nicely to you because you seem fresh.scumchat never die-
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Right, yet you fail to draw the same connection between forbiddanlight and me. Strange.armlx wrote:
SC defending you.@armlx: you are trying to prepare multiple lynches. Not good. Real bad. And what is this connection that you speak of?
unvote, vote: armlx
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I assume that's "peoplearmlx wrote:
Good posting......Vamparific wrote:oh i got lotsa votes...lol
I strongly suggest we ignore a vamp lynch however. People list him are optimal vig targets as their lynches rarely polarize people.likehim". But I agree with you on this.
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First, changing history, the "wagon to claim" thing. Not all that scummy by itself, but it not being correct invalidates the argument, yet armlx keeps pushing the point it should serve to strengthen.armlx wrote:
Sigh, you accuse me of role fishing that info out when A) a large number of players pushed your wagon to claim and B) you volunteered the bread crumb.armlx, it was stupidly, blatantly obvious who my mason partner was if i just claimed mason, thanks to you rolefishing for just that information.
This is just theory, but I still can't agree with it or see how one could truly believe this. The masons outing themselves give the town two confirmed townies, narrowing the field, and also makes the NK choice harder for both factions of scum, because they can't synchronize their kills. Basically the two choices left for scum are either killing one of the two confirmeds, or trying to hunt for power roles, both of which have serious drawbacks in that by killing one of the two confirmeds, scum let go of the possibility of killing a power role, and if they choose to hunt power roles, the town will still have two confirmeds Day 2. Again, this isn't much of a point against armlx, I just don't see why armlx keeps arguing against the masons claiming when they already have.armlx wrote:
It does. Anything that gives the mafia more information in who to target at night is going to hurt the town, especially if the "pay off" for the town is getting 2 confirmed innocents who won't likely last long.You can't tell me masons outing themselves really hurts the town.
Nicely done wagon hopping; although this action doesn't amount to much in the way of scumminess because the case on forbiddanlight was made up of this single point at the time, and there was no need to reiterate it when I had just pointed it out a couple posts before.armlx wrote:
I concur with everything this post has to say except (partially) the last sentence.Korts wrote:Vote: forbiddanlight
You're not willing to start a bandwagon, but will be jumping on it if it has momentum? Preemptively justifying any opportunism? Just die.
Vote forbiddanlight
Again, changing history, which doesn't sit well with me at all. Rofl had expressed suspicions of armlx before armlx had started the wagon. Calling it OMGUS would be so big a reach that it would be, in fact, the exact opposite of reality.armlx wrote:Rofl, you just aren't going to stop OMGUSing me for starting the wagon that lead to your claim, are you?
This I feel much more like wagon hopping, although I'm obviously biased here.armlx wrote:
Yup.iamausername wrote:
roflcopter, this is what rolefishing looks like.Korts wrote:
And with that, you've just given away that you're not the vig. Good job.armlx wrote:
I will be happy to argue the logic behind N0 vigging outside the thread some other time, but for now no one should bring up the subject any more as it will give away who can't be the vig if people agree/disagree.This is poor logic because there is 5 scum compared to 15 town. So even if you eliminate 1 town (the vig himself), it's still only a 5 in 19 chance of hitting scum, with a decent chance of hitting a town power role.
Unvote, Vote: Korts
Unvote, Vote KortS
I have a suspicion fl is just newbie wagon bait in general.
And then, only recently, armlx tries to set up a Day 2 lynch, when we haven't reached a consensus on the Day 1 lynch, either; and even though forbiddanlight reacts almost exactly like SC does, armlx only draws a connection between SC and me, not fl and me. His explanation is that he finds fl not to be scum, but to me, that sounds like avoiding the admission that there is the same connection between fl and me.
So that's basically my case.scumchat never die-
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Except I responded to every point on the case.....its like every time somebody has brought up scummy things armlx has done, he chooses the one he thinks he can most easily refute and says jack squat about the rest of the points in the case.Korts wrote:Nice way of ignoring the points that actually made me vote you. Read the last paragraph. Setting up Day 2 lynch, ignoring possible forbiddanlight-Korts connection despite having the same basis as the SC-Korts connection.scumchat never die-
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Well, that's true, at least. But that's not what you said in the first place. Since your point was only that SC believed me, I called you out for leaving out the fact that forbiddanlight did the same. You could've done and cleared that mess up earlier. It almost leads me to think that you have only thought of including the been-on-every-other-wagon part in desperation. Ah well.armlx wrote:You miss the point completely. Why would I be attacking someone I think is town based on one point? SC not only has the defense of you, but has been on actually every other wagon up till now besides yours. Why the exception?scumchat never die-
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There you go, trying to misrepresent me. Again. And fail. Again.armlx wrote:
Where does it say only SC did it.armlx wrote:
SC defending you.@armlx: you are trying to prepare multiple lynches. Not good. Real bad. And what is this connection that you speak of?
I didn't say. Evar. That you state thatonlySC did it. I said that youfailed to mentioneven in passing that forbiddanlight did the same thing.
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Oh. OH. Yeah, reading is tech. There's a "that" between "only" and "SC" which means that I'm saying this:armlx wrote:You are misrepresenting me. In no way, shape, or form, did I ever say only SC defended you, as you are implying here
Since your point was only that SC believed me
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There aresomeweak points in my case, but not all of them are. Please read: setting up a Day 2 lynch isnevergood, and trying to pin SC to me while ignoring the same tell in the case of forbiddanlight isverybad.
Also, blatant misrepresentation in Post 283. Either that, or scum can't read.
And you're sure that this isn't my standard behavior?armlx wrote:
I'm leaning KortS if only because I'm unsure on whether this is SC's standard behavior.Who would you say is scummier, Korts or SC? Personally, I'd say SC, in which case, we should lynch hm first to test the connection, and really consider Korts for the next lynch if SC turns up scum.scumchat never die-
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The fact that only iamausername and armlx keep pushing the "obvious" connection seems to indicate some kind of connection to me. EDIT: okay, Jordan mentions a "major link" too. I can't really defend myself against arguments saying that I'm scummy for refuting a connection and showing an equally likely possibility.scumchat never die-
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Twist my words, baby, twist my words.
I'm not saying fl is scummy because she accepted my defense, I'm saying armlx is scummy because he draws a connection between SC and me based on interaction that can be found in the same form between fl and me, and ignores the latter interaction. Ah well. I'm just the lonely misunderstood guy here. Who wants to start an indie band with me?scumchat never die-
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Sorry if my offtopic/joke comments annoy you, strife. I usually get carried away, and I like to make a pop-culture reference as much as the next man (well, the next man's Lowell, so I don't know how well that statement holds). Anyway, if you want me to stop, just say so and I will.
So, first the SC-fl-Korts thing.
as opposed toStrangerCoug wrote:I actually buy Korts' defense that he misinterpreted armlx. What I think the latter is saying is that vigging Night 0 has its reasons. Yes, Korts may have ended up rolefishing as a result, but it's minor compared to Lowell asking the masons to claim Day 1.
forbiddanlight wrote:Um, wow, ok. Geez...I want to stick on vamp, but I want to vote Korts too...that is blatant rolefishing...but...I feel better about vamp. No reasoning at all. However,HoS:Korts. Even if it's not rolefishing it's pointing something out that can only help the scum. Even if you think it's obvious, you don't come out and say it, because there is always a chance of stupid scum. In fact, isn't this the main argument against me? Revealing I'm a townie lowers the pool of power roles...but saying "Well, you've made it clear you aren't the vig"...doesn't? I think that's nigh hypocritical.Korts wrote:
Oh, that it hurts the town? Way after. I thought I was being helpful, actually.Korts wrote:
Did I see what before I posted?forbiddanlight wrote:Ok, one thing, did you see it before you posted or after, Korts? Doing something because you "can't help yourself" isn't good play. (yeah, I know, I'm one to talk, but it's still true).
Not exactly the same argument, but both essentially boil down to fl's last quoted sentence. "I can't let that go, but it's not quite as bad as it initially seemed." Neither's scummy in my eyes for doing this. Here's armlx's read on this:forbiddanlight wrote:lol, sarnath'ed. Ok, well, in that case...I'll drop to anFoS KortS. I can't let that go, but it's not quite as bad as it initially seemed.
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I could also get behind an SC lynch. Pretty shameless wagoning. Rather lynch KortS first though, as theres a connection there now that would reveal info.
See how there's no mention of fl? Not even the "I see the implied connection, but I think fl's town nonetheless" that comes up later. So that's pretty much my point here.armlx wrote:
SC defending you.@armlx: you are trying to prepare multiple lynches. Not good. Real bad. And what is this connection that you speak of?
About the setting up multiple lynches, I withdraw my point, because armlx has already clarified that that was in regards to alignment.
So the case pretty much consists of a single debatable point, at the moment. I think I'll have to do this, even though I think armlx is scum.
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I'll try to put something of relevance in later today, but now I'm off to the library for some philosophy.scumchat never die-
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Good job further implicating the connection between you and TinVision, which Jordan already noted had some things implicating. Protip: if you're scum, don't answer questions/points intended for your buddy.BlakAdder wrote:Hey, regarding rofl's comment-TinVision- wrote:I'm not normally a fan of the long analysis posts that look at everyone in brief. It's a good scum tactic to post a summary of the game's action to look active as well as to paint people's actions in a scummy light in the hopes that others will start a wagon.However, forbiddanlight is asking her own questions and actively prompting specific people, so I don't count it against her in this case.
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Well, you know how it is, scum can't be bothered to properly research when another person's full analysis is handy.JordanA24 wrote:
Btw Blakadder, it's best not to rely on one persons point of view of events in the thread. Fb could be scum and offering a biased point of view towards the game in his posts.BlakAdder wrote:EBWOP: Finally breached the massive wall of text. Great job there, Forbiddan. This just made scumhunting loads easier.scumchat never die-
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It wasn't even a major accusation. Why did you feel you had to answer? Couldn't you wait for Tin to speak for himself?BlakAdder wrote:Hey, I'm not scum with Tin. I just wanted to point out a minor mistake that rofl had made in his post. It's not that I'm supporting Tin or anything, I just don't like false accusations.scumchat never die-
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Tip as one player to another, forbiddanlight, use your quote tags like this: when you start quoting, you initially have only this:[ quote ] (without spaces, of course) but to make it clear who you're quoting, do it like this: [ quote="My Awesome Self" ] (again, without spaces). It makes everyone's job a lot easier. In action:
Now, to business.adfasdfasdfasdfasf wrote:adfaopasdfinvxklcv
Who said I want the unvote to help me? I unvoted because firstly, I'm not achieving anything with my vote on armlx, and secondly because I realized how little material is left in my case on him. I still think he's scum, call it a gut feel, if you want.forbiddanlight wrote:
This isn't good. If you think someone is scum, vote them, and back it up. If there is no case, then why do you think they are scum? The unvote isn't helping you Korts.So the case pretty much consists of a single debatable point, at the moment. I think I'll have to do this, even though I think armlx is scum.
Redirecting? Alright, so you don't want me pointing out scumtells as long as I'm under fire? Got it.forbiddanlight wrote:
Hmm...this kinda seems a little bit like redirecting, buuut, I see his point pretty well, added to the "scumhunting is a lot easier" thing about my post.Good job further implicating the connection between you and TinVision, which Jordan already noted had some things implicating. Protip: if you're scum, don't answer questions/points intended for your buddy.
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And thus you implicate yourself. Sorry, my vote is staying.BlakAdder wrote:
I don't know. I speak (or, rather, post) without thinking a lot.Korts wrote:
It wasn't even a major accusation. Why did you feel you had to answer? Couldn't you wait for Tin to speak for himself?BlakAdder wrote:Hey, I'm not scum with Tin. I just wanted to point out a minor mistake that rofl had made in his post. It's not that I'm supporting Tin or anything, I just don't like false accusations.scumchat never die-
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Why the capital S every time? There is no capital S. It annoys me. Please stop.armlx wrote:You seem awfully willing to give up your case for being convinced I am scum KortS.
About the case, yes I'm giving it up because it's too weak to hold. That doesn't change my conviction.
Wow. So pointing out a (valid) tell is definitely only to buddy up to rofl. Bravo!armlx wrote:The fact you just jump on rofl's other suspect is pretty sketchy too.scumchat never die-
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The point being, me having been on every wagon (with valid points having been stated) proves me following rofl how?
And me finding rofl's two top suspects scummy enough for a vote each doesn't immediately mean I'm following rofl. I came up with my own reasoning both times. In fact, if you really want to paint me following someone, me following Jordan onto the BlakAdder case is much more believable. Ah well. Paint me black.scumchat never die-
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As in, I voted BlakAdderarmlx wrote:
Its mainly the shift to me once things calmed down, then the shift to his second once his first target was "No, ur wrong"'ed.The point being, me having been on every wagon (with valid points having been stated) proves me following rofl how?notbecause he defended Tin, but because he's up there on rofl's bad list? This smells so much like BS I have the strong feeling it might very well be the genuine article.scumchat never die-
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For once, I agree with iamausername. Not once did strife shout at people for directing the vig kill to Vamp. According to point c) this is because four people were doing it, which obviously means it's a good thing, as opposed to when only one person does it. Double standard's a nice thing.iamausername wrote:
Wait, so it's OK for people to direct the vig to kill Vamp, but not Greasy Spot? GS/strife connection is starting to look as significant as Korts/SC.strife220 wrote:
This post is scummy because:iamausername wrote:Greasy Spot would make an excellent vig kill.
a) Trying to control the Vig's kill-choice is anti-town
b) Greasy Spot actually provided a bit of a case against AIUN
c) Like 4 people have already said Vamp would be an excellent vig
d) You suggesting otherwise is defending Vamp (see b)
By the way, I'm absolutely in favour of a Vamp vidging too, and have never said otherwise.
Still, iamausername, vig directing isn't pro-town, no matter who does it, for whatever reason. So shame on you.scumchat never die-
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Hey what? Trying to undermine the majority is not a scumtell how? The town operates by majority decisions, therefore if you attempt to take matters into your own hands, you go against the majority, i.e. the town. Going against the town isn't on any pro-town role's agenda.iamausername wrote: Also, "trying to undermine the majority" is not a scum tell. Anything else?scumchat never die-
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Yes, but we're not talking aboutSun Tzu wrote:Actually, going along with the town is a scum tell. The town is often wrong. If you think the majority is making a mistake, presenting a different view is definitely pro-townpresentinga different view, we're talking about forcing that view on the whole town, without the consent of the majority.scumchat never die-
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