for claiming to be unpopular when he's probably the most popular one out of all of us
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Okay, soVote Andrius
for claiming to be unpopular when he's probably the most popular one out of all of usShowBannedformonotony!
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Yes, but then there are scum who could say they had a lower popularity level , so less popular townies try to qt with them. Also, scum could then pick and choose whoever is lower than them and more impressionable and there you have it, you got a townie convinced that scum is town because of a qt
I dunno why, but the way you're going about things seems almost like role-fishing...
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If you choose the right people you can make a "good impression" on them and they're convinced you're town. Then they don't even have to work so hard to fool people in thread cuz they got a townie to do that.Friend wrote:I agree with vollkan completely. That's what I had in mind when I suggested it. And I highly doubt that the level of popularity is tied to anything (PR-ness, alignment) so I don't think claiming it is rolefishing, like you said xite. Also, xite, why do you think scum would be able to fool a townie in the QT, when if they're that good at playing scum, they'll probably just be fooling them in the thread anyways?
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Uhm, yeah no, bad idea.
I would vote for him, but he's at L-2 now isn't he?
I'd rather a claim or something first
But hey, I do like that he sticks to his convictions, even if it is my policy to lynch self-voters.
(which I should probably help do, but like I said claim first)ShowBannedformonotony!
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Oh shit, just looked at the game and I think I mixed it up with another I'm in for votes...
so yeah
Unvote: Vote Tasky
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I could have sworn I posted these exact wordsAndrius wrote:
I second this, given that it is a massclaim.Friend wrote: Xite, what popularity level are you?
"It say's I'm the least popular person in the group, doesn't give me a number though"
But, alas I didn't so either my internet decided to fail during a post or some (semi)innocent group of people got it in another gameShowBannedformonotony!
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No, I ISO'd myself, couldn't find itShowBannedformonotony!
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Ooh, ooh pick me!
Looks like we're going to lynch Tasky anyways
By the way, would quick lynches be good in this game? Considering the nifty neighborizing idea?
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ok, just wondering
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well, I actually just noticed a way you can tell
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One flaw in your plan, though
The QT is for one night only, isn't it?
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Oh ok,Thanks Llama!
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I already do
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Uhm, can I just say something real quick?vollkan wrote:
+2. Noob scum throwing out a fishing line to see if there is support for an utterly insane idea.Xite wrote: By the way, would quick lynches be good in this game? Considering the nifty neighborizing idea?
How was that a joke? It could have been a joke if you'd said: "Wow, neighbouring sounds awesome; let's quicklynch to get to it", but you didn't. You asked a question to everybody, and then claimed it as a joke when the idea was swiftly kicked.xite wrote: ok, just wondering
that was a joke
+2 Great. Thankyou for admitting you just lied.Xite wrote: I am too,but I figured this might be a special circumstance
Unvote, Vote: Xite
Youre a dumb
I was saying the we're alsmost surely going to lynch tasky today was a joke
I was saying that it might be better if we each kind of interrogated each one people on our own one at a time, not that it was for sure it'd be good, but a possibility
It was an idea to end day 1 early so that scumhunting might be easier. I wasn't even saying every day, I was saying day 1
I NEVER claimed that the quicklynch thing was a joke
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Xite91 wrote:Ooh, ooh pick me!
Looks like we're going to lynch Tasky anyways
By the way, would quick lynches be good in this game? Considering the nifty neighborizing idea?
hehe three way quicktopic
Also, it's kind of hard to take that out of context if you're not selectively readingXite91 wrote:well, I actually just noticed a way you can tell
I usually post after a joke
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Okay, went through the whole thread and found what I think is interesting...
I'll start with Friend
There was no VT soft claimFriend wrote:I'm still curious to the reasoning behind the soft VT claim. Generating discussion doesn't seem to be enough.
Simple as that
Ok, so you're the one that started this whole mass popularity claim idea right?Friend wrote:Andrius and others: What are the pros and cons of a mass-popularity level claim? I'm fairly new to this whole thing so if this is a dumb idea please tell me
So you just want to because it could help neighborizing? but not scum hunting... hmmFriend wrote:I know that a mass popularity number claim wouldn't be hugely beneficial in terms of scumhunting, but it would help ensure success at neighborizing. That's all I wanted to get.
Then what was with the VT claim statement before??Friend wrote:I agree with vollkan completely. That's what I had in mind when I suggested it. And I highly doubt that the level of popularity is tied to anything (PR-ness, alignment) so I don't think claiming it is rolefishing, like you said xite. Also, xite, why do you think scum would be able to fool a townie in the QT, when if they're that good at playing scum, they'll probably just be fooling them in the thread anyways?
I like this idea too. But yeah, we should wait 'til everyone's said their piece on the matter before we start claiming numbers.
So you're the one pushing it again...Friend wrote:I think most of us are in favor of this...so who wants to start? Andrius and then we can just popcorn from there, or go by the playerlist, or have everyone shout it out at once, doesn't really matter.
So which one is it? you do or don't think that popularity levels have to do with roles?
For the record, other than the basic, preps will be more popular, and so on and so forth ideas, I have evidence to believe that power roles ARE effected by popularity level.
And as for the popularity claim push thing, just pointing that out for future reference...
Next, i'll go with Vollkan
1) Considering everyone's idea that lies = scum, that is a big riskvollkan wrote:Interesting point. I'm not sure if it is a flaw, though. My reasoning proceeds as follows:
1) Assuming that such a role could be used in passing periodnand then the target has the new rank in passing periodn + 1, then the biggest risk is simply that the person they speak to, if it is somsebody that they could not have spoken to before, will accuse them of having lied about their ranking.
2) However, we already know that it will be impossible for scum to lie at the initial claim stage because they will get counterclaimed.
3) Accordingly, any purported change in popularity ranking will have to be true
The fact that the changes would be caused by a power role (though, we don't know of what alignment) instinctively makes me think that such changes should not be changed. Reason being is that, as a general rule I think, a person would want to increase the ranking of somebody they consider pro-town (so as to give them more choice) and decrease the ranking of somebody they suspect (so as to reduce their ability to pick their scumbuddies and avoid exposure to the town); hence, claiming changes, (publicly, since people might well target somebody they think is likely town and tell them about the change) could out a PR. So, at this stage I don't think changes should be publicly claimed.
The problem is that saying "Target the person below you" or any other rigid formulation removes any ability of town to individually target and interrogate a particular player they suspect, or collaborate with somebody they think is town. Hence, we need to have a free choice; in which case, we need to claim those choices and (because reasons are always good) the reasons why.Prana wrote: Regarding the bolded bit there, they wouldn't be able to. If we all said "target the person below you in the list" then anyone who didn't would be automatically pointed out as scum. They would basically be forced into neighboring with the person below them or being known as scum.
2) We weren't completely sure of this... Just saying
3) wha?
I think for today, we should do everyone target person lower than you, this will guarantee some night talk for town no matter what and we can have that if they didn't, they're probably scum.
Tomorrow we can let it be free choices and see what happens
Just to let you know, I've learned that the biggest fault of town in mafia games is that everything becomes black and white. Lets try not to do that
Regarding some of your other posts
Vollkan there are plenty of chances of outing a PR in that case, but there are also plenty of chances NOT to.
Here's some possibilities of that role
1) Talking with someone in their QT makes that person's popularity go up/down
2) They can target one person per night to bring them up one (or more) popularity level
3) They can target one person per night to bring them down one (or more) popularity level
4) They can do either 2 or 3
5) They can do both 2 and 3
Now the rest of it, I'm just going to post in order.
Tasky, what they were doing with the role thing was more setup speculation/gaming the mod than IioA
You did pull IioA yourself, but with the idea of analyzing it it seems.
Tasky does not seem scummy for this, just misguided
Friend fighting with him over this concerns me for some reason
And the wagon seems somewhat unwarranted at that point, Friend, making me more suspicious of you
Next, why is Vollkan one of the morep pro-town players at that point?
I mean, it was page 3 and he only posted 4 times
And nothing he wrote made me either here or there with him
Can you explain please?
Tasky, self voting was really stupid, and I voted you for it out of policy. (Although it did make me laugh )
Friend, trying to get an opinion from me, not really scummy but worth the question, why only me?
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EBWOP, I totally meant to do this
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First, Yes I see it scummy, because I have reason to believe that Power-Roles are linked to popularity, not less popular = scum, why would I even say that if that were the case??? I'm just saying based on flavor text and such that I think that power-roles are based on popularity.
Yeah, but you said he was "themostpro-town player" not just a pro-town player. To me that is a bit more interesting
I never voted for him that I remember, until after I posted about him (AKA when I said it was a policy of mine to vote self-voters)
I don't think I even said his name before that... Unless we're talking about different questions, in which case, what question are YOU talking about?ShowBannedformonotony!
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Okay, so it was the same question, but let me point out the order of operations
1) I don't say ANYTHING about tasky all game
2) You ask me the question
3) I point out that I hate self voters, and that the only reason I'm not voting is because I think he is at L-2
4) I vote, realizing that there weren't hardly any votes on him at all
After all this you say this
But if you look at the order of operations, that is a terrible explanationFriend wrote:I asked you the question because you hadn't mentioned Tasky up to that point, just voted him for the sake of "helping push him."
You saying he was pro-town is not a scumtell
I was asking how he seems "arguably the most pro-town"
IMO considering its only been like 2 days since this game started, I'd argue that the ones that haven't posted are the most pro-town at this point
Also, he doesn't seem so pro-town to me so I'm confused
Plus, it seemed like an obvious buddying-up tactic
And I never said that the most popular/least popular person gets power roles, I'm just saying it's more likely based on flavour text that prs are in the higher area of popularity, that's all. I'm not saying all of them are at all, I'm just saying it's possible.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Why can't we use the target one below you for the first night?
I mean the qts go on for the rest of the game as mod has tolds us, so we could use that to our advantage.
After that I don't think we should claim who we chose to mason with until it's important to (ex: it will help with a case)ShowBannedformonotony!
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EBWOP and considering it's D1 I think that's the best choice because then EVERYONE gets a tell on someone. This we can use going into day two.
Afterwards, I think it should be up to individuals to choose and when necessary say who, why and what info they got from it.ShowBannedformonotony!
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In regards to saying someone saying (Andrius IIRC) he wasn't that popularFriend wrote:Oh...
I was gonna ask but I didn't want to rolefish. Why do you feel the need to out that so early?
But I thought you said that prs weren't linked to popularity in your opinion?Friend wrote:No, I didn't want to rolefish. If I had gone ooh Andrius tell me more about your unpopularity I guarantee someone would have called me out for rolefishing. Just wanted to make sure you were okay with saying your unpopularity publicly before I said anything.
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But later you agree with max?Friend wrote:
I like this idea too. But yeah, we should wait 'til everyone's said their piece on the matter before we start claiming numbers.Tasky wrote:I think it would be best that everyone at night talks to the one who is just one step under them in the popularity scala, so that everyone (save nr.1 and nr.12) has 2 neighbors and there is no one who doesn't have a neighbor...
Unless youre talking about agreeing with something else he's said.
Also I've seen an almost obvious attempt from you to buddy up with at least three separate people already
in regards to your last post - But my question was why did you want to know my opinion?
And the reason it was scummy that you would push a claim was that you even said yourself that it wouldn't be beneficial to scum-hunting
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It was just interesting to me that with minimal discussion from you or really not even that much on that topic you went from one end of the spectrum to the other.Friend wrote:My mind has changed over the course of the game. It happens. People made logical, convincing arguments as to why certain things were/weren't true (popularity-PR link, the "one person below you idea"). I agreed with them. Since when is that a scumtell?
I agree it's not the best case in the world, but it's page 6 and you're the scummiest tell to me in the game so far, so I'm gonna let it be known, and at least I'm telling you why instead of going , oh and friend is scum.
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1) how?NicolBolas wrote:I’m just reading thru the game and typing my thoughts when they come to me.
1)I believe that freedom to choose whoever you want to befriend is the way to go, because of what somebody brought up- Scum can just take advantage of the extra information to plan their nightkills accordingly.
2)@xite- I do not think its a good idea to have short days. It gives us less information to work with.
3)I think it would be a bad idea to claim who we befriended, until it is necessary, because if we claim, scum can use that information.
4)Also, I think that the day is more important than the night, because there are much more people to analyze information in posts. so I think we really need to reduce the discussion about the neighborizing issue. it is distracting me from reading people.
5)My dislike of xite is because he is confusing me.
@xite, I do not see where friend is buddying up to people. can you point this out to me?
2) noted, it was just a suggestion
3) said that IIRC
4) Makes a little more sense, just saying though, that if done right, everyone can have a little interrogation cell of their own with X amount of people in it after so many days.
5) No problem
I know this was in response to rvs but lookie hereFriend wrote:And Andrius, we can be friends!
Why add Andrius instead of just saying everyone?Friend wrote:Andriusand others: What are the pros and cons of a mass-popularity level claim? I'm fairly new to this whole thing so if this is a dumb idea please tell me
then
Again why him?Friend wrote:I think most of us are in favor of this...so who wants to start?Andriusand then we can just popcorn from there, or go by the playerlist, or have everyone shout it out at once, doesn't really matter.
Next
Not exactly buddying up, but could lead to more of itFriend wrote:Tasky, what do you hope to acheive with your wagon? There's nothing vollkan can defend himself from. I mean, my vote was on there cause of a Phoenix Wright-related avatar. Wagoning for the sake of wagoning isn't going to accomplish anything. Now, wagoning some scummy, like yourself, can.
In regards to the first part, this isn't the only time he whole-heartedly agrees with someone.Friend wrote:I agree with vollkan completely. That's what I had in mind when I suggested it. And I highly doubt that the level of popularity is tied to anything (PR-ness, alignment) so I don't think claiming it is rolefishing, like you said xite. Also, xite, why do you think scum would be able to fool a townie in the QT, when if they're that good at playing scum, they'll probably just be fooling them in the thread anyways?
I like this idea too. But yeah, we should wait 'til everyone's said their piece on the matter before we start claiming numbers.Tasky wrote:I think it would be best that everyone at night talks to the one who is just one step under them in the popularity scala, so that everyone (save nr.1 and nr.12) has 2 neighbors and there is no one who doesn't have a neighbor...
The second isn't a big deal until I add the post I already pointed out
Another agreement, completely opposite to the one before. Yes this wouldn't be scummy on it's own, but you, Friend, seem to be trying to appeal to everyone, something I mostly see in scumFriend wrote:I agree with Max.
Oh yeah, we can't forget about the most obvious attempt to buddy up in the whole thread can we?
That's at least 3 right?Friend wrote: And why would you like to start a wagon on vollkan, who has arguably been one of the most pro-town players so far in this early game?
Again, may not be buddying up
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Uhm, I just showed you how it's AtE
considering that you're agreeing with everyone and all
1) yeah, but with the next two, you should see my point
2) Seraphim and I did too
3) I don't recall, but that makes some sense
you were throwing his name out a lot though, makes me suspicious
4) said that, then said that it could lead up to it
5) AtE (agreeing with people like you have been seems like it to me)
6) ^
7) How isn't it?
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1) May have missed it, will re-read. I really think it was him first (I went back and checked on the first person to mention it when I made my big post of things, part of the reason I noticed friend at all)Andrius wrote:
1) To be fair, I think I mentioned it first, and vollkan claimed first.Xite wrote: Ok, so you're the one that started this whole mass popularity claim idea right?
2) I noticed that you didn't bother mentioning me at all in that big post of interesting things. :/ This like reverse buddying?
3) Look at your role in your role PM, and see if it could explain your spot on the popularity ladder. That's why I think popularity is nonrandom.NicolBolas wrote: @andrius, I dont know, it was just a question. (popularity being nonrandom)
4) Ok, so I'm really torn on some of the players, namely Friend, Xite and Tasky. They're all relatively new here, so I keep looking at some actions as n00by (including some of the buddying, but again, I was the most active poster.) However, while they are newbies, they did sign up for a theme game, which is inherently harder, so they brought this on themselves, in a way.
2) Nope, just not seeing anything scummy/worth mentioning from you yet.
3) Exactly what I've been saying
4) Please don't blame it on noobieness we could be alts, or in my case played elsewhere. I thuroughly believe in what I'm saying.
And yes, that is my question. It seems to me that buddying is almost always a scumtell. Maybe not every time but a lot of the time.Friend wrote:How isn't buddying a scumtell? Is that your question?
And you have a wrong definition of AtE btw. Agreeing with people is not AtE.
Appeal to Emotions? Uhm, that's what it seems like you're doing. Therefore AtEShowBannedformonotony!
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@Nic, it's the way he does it that seems to me like AtE
I'm going to be nice and not repost my whole post, you can just go back and reread it. It was my tell on how he was doing it, that's all.
The other part, where he asks for a massclaim, that was because he himself said, it probably won't lead to catching scum, which to me meas useless info until we find reason for it.
I don't see what you meant about the nk though. Yeah, they can prevent certain pairings, but that in turn leads to more information.
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1) on reread, he was the first one to mention a mass claim
all you did was soft claim your popularity
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Woo-hoo another post-by-post
First, other than the wagon on one and the extreme suspicion on the other, how are we obvious targets? Second, yes, I'm stating a case, I won't post the quotes I need for such case? WTF?Sando wrote:Xites wall-o-text seems like scum desperation.
Prana makes an excellent point about scum being unable to simply not neighbourise someone, further reinforces max's points.
Still not getting that point with the neighborizing...
The first sentence, I will show you why you feel that way in about 10 secondsNicolBolas wrote:@xite- I'm unsure on how to approach you. Your case on friend is full of crap. Do you have any stronger evidence that friend is scummy other than what you pointed out?
The second, yes, that's what I'm about to show you
Okay, guys to me it wasn't a ridiculous question because of the way neighborizing works. If I planned it correctly, everyone should have 4 people to talk to individually by night 3. Then cross-referencing can be used the rest of the game. I understand that days are SUPER important to the town, but this was just a suggestion. k? k!
First, easy targets much?NicolBolas wrote:I'm not sure what to make out of the interaction between Sando and Tasky. On one hand, it looks like Sando is truly attacking Tasky, and Tasky is OMGUSsing, But on the other hand, Tasky has a good point about Sando' weak reasoning. hmm.
I still think that scum can be found in Xite.
Second, why can scum be found in me?
Slightly, considering if planned correctly, everyone can have 4 neighbors by night 3... just sayinNicolBolas wrote:@Tasky, on the contrary. neighbors targeted on N1 will take effect on N2. So if scum knows who the targets are on N1, they can plan kills on that knowledge, on N1. If people have freedom to choose, Scum will not have that knowledge until D3, so that would help the town, i think. Am i incorrect in my thinking here?
Friend wrote:Other than that, I don't really get your case on me.It would be poor modding to tie popularity levels to PR-ness, IMO (as in the top 3 most popular students are PRs, the bottom 3 are scum, whatever).
I called vollkan pro-town because that was the feeling I got from him. Nothing more, nothing less.
I asked you the question because you hadn't mentioned Tasky up to that point, just voted him for the sake of "helping push him."
Do you find me asking for the popularity claim scummy?I don't see why it would be.Friend wrote:I said "arguably." There's a difference.
How would PRs be based on popularity? That makes breaking this game way too easy.
I still don't get the case by the way. Calling someone pro-town is not a scumtell, what I did was not rolefishing, and other than that...I don't think you have anything.Friend wrote:I agree with Max.
Xite,I got my order of things mixed up then. Sue me.I wanted to know your opinion, that's the point.Friend wrote:LOL
Quote-by-quote:
1. RVS comment
2. He was the only one posting in-thread at the time
3. He volunteered to claim first
4. ??? That's not buddying
5. Agreeing with people...whoa
6. See above
7. vollkan was, in my mind, acting very pro-town. That's the only one that I guess could be buddying, but even that is not a scumtell.
No AtE (show it to me) and no buddying. Get your facts straight.
Those bolded times? That's all the times he responded to my case by saying, oh you're wrongFriend wrote:Xite's case is laughably poor, but I'm not entirely sold on him being scum yet.but in your terms mostly, or your case is null or such and such. Dismissing it as nothing... Just seems like an interesting reaction to me, and it seems to make the rest of you think the same wayShowBannedformonotony!
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Teehee, youre funnyMax wrote:Xite, get a grip. Your caseisweak. It can be forgiven, however, as Friend shouldn't shrug it off just because it's a weak case. It isn't well formulated and in the first few pages I don't feel that friend should have said that he thinks people are town. Though that's not enough to lynch someone.
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- Do you feel that The Playeroneabove you on the ranking list is scum?
- If you had to choose now who would you lynch?
- Who do you think is most town at this time?
I would like evidence and from these 11 posts I will determine who I feel is town and scum.
First, I admitted that my original case was weak, but it's getting stronger, at least in my mind.
And that post with all the quotes showing how friend was fighting back was to show that he really wasn't saying anything, mostly get your facts/definitions straight, or oh you're wrong. And IIRC it wasn't only me he did it to. (I think it was t{r}asky )
Part of my problem is that I haven't really seen him actively scumhunt, just state fallacies in non-game breaking points.
Do me a favor, go ISO him, see what I mean. He doesn't seem pro town to me at all...
1) This is gonna sound crazy and I know i'm gonna get some sort of shit for this, but aside from the self vote (albeit somewhat obvious joking i hate self voters) and bandwagoning for the sake of it, I don't see tasky as too scummy. I more see jumpy townies as jumpy and scummy scum as trying to push an easy lynch.
2) Friend or else my vote would probably not be on him
3) I dunno, everyone's iffy in this game. I'd probably say seraphim or thelonging because I haven't seen much of them yet. (ME! lulz, softclaiming townie, that's really cute, also seems a little noobish TBH)
First, Uhm, if it was a free choice, scum could just pair up with scum (if you're going with the idea that scum want to avoid townies like the plague)NicolBolas wrote:@Xite- I saw the same thing that friend did. What i see in the bolded parts is friend not getting your case against friend, then you are now using that against friend. I do not like this. Friend is not dismissing your case as nothing IMO, it is your case that is weak. I am not sure what you mean by "easy targets much?". What i saw was Tasky and Sando attacking each other. It just struck me oddly. About the neighborzing thing, my concern is not in night three, but night two. Hypothetically, if scum knew the plan for neighborzing, they would be able to eliminate both of an single person's neighbors, rendering that person worthless in discussing what happened during the night. Also, a preset plan prevents the town to scumhunt during the night.
2) I would lynch xite. I feel that his case on friend is useless, and when attacked for it, he seems to be panicking a little. Pulls out crap reasoning, really.
Second, if someone died and we all were targeting the person below us, the only way anyone would not be talking to someone would be if they killed the second or second to last person on the list, assuming there's not some odd thing where Icanpair with the top dog. So I don't see much of a problem considering scum will probably go for townier players first night rather than anything else.
Now about my case on Friend, I never panicked, I simply tried to make it a little clearer to see why I think he's scum, but you guys seem to have your head so far up your asses cuz I posted a simple suggestion that could get a simple yes or no answer and be done with it. Push past that and see that hey, maybe I am making a good point.
And it wasn't that he didn't get it most of the time it was more like he was avoiding it.
First one, i was just curious how we were easy targets.Sando wrote:
andXite wrote:First, other than the wagon on one and the extreme suspicion on the other, how are we obvious targets?
So I'm silly for suggesting that you and Trasky are easy targets for being the top 2 suspects, not to mention the reasons for being the top 2 suspects, but you feel the need to attack NicolBolas for bringing up 'easy targets'? Hypocritical much?Xite wrote:First, easy targets much?
Second one, everyone was so adamant that we were such easy targets, it seemed like hewasmaking an "easy" attack at that point.
Oh, I'm sorry, don't recall you saying why, just recall you saying it was and shrugging it off.Friend wrote:Oh, should have explained the xite vote - he's my second suspect, mostly for the extremely poor case he laid out on me + pushing said case after I explained why it was poor.
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I dare you to point out the posts where I say this.vollkan wrote:Xite wrote: Sando seems a little too aggressive.Xite wrote: Aggressiveness is not bad, but I think Sando is being a little overagressive. Scum is usually more aggressive than town.
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Aggression is NOT a scumtell and accusing Sando of being "overaggressive" is just throwing around an empty smear label that discredits him despite not actually relating to any flaw in his argument. Aggression is entirely a playstyle thing.
Why is it getting stronger?Xite wrote: First, I admitted that my original case was weak, but it's getting stronger, at least in my mind.
In fact it actually goes like this;
Friend wrote: Sando seems a little too aggressive.
So who's your +2 on now?Friend wrote: Aggressiveness is not bad, but I think Sando is being a little overagressive. Scum is usually more aggressive than town.
Also, Hey guys sorry about this but I just spent about 12 hours at the hospital, and then about 9 hours sleeping because of medicine and lack of sleep. Now I'm on fun medication that makes me super loopy so I'm going to try to play the game but I have to warn everyone how bad that could be. That being said, I lack all energy to scumhunt at the moment, so I'll save you guys the trouble unless I feel it necessary to point out something.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Wait, uhm, player points? That doesn't seem to have to do with much, IMO, but we'll see.
And I am thinking a lot before I post. Overthinking? Maybe, but I'm convinced I get a scum read from friend.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Uhm, considering that your last post was to VV and something about an alt?Friend wrote:xite, you didn't even respond to my last post. You saying I'm ignoring or shrugging off your case is a blatant lie.
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I'll put more pressure on. I think VV has a point about xite's overeagerness.
Or did you mean a different post? Not sure which one you're talking about anyways.ShowBannedformonotony!
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That as to VV and Vollkan i think?
Do you mean the one about me reading you in ISO? I thought I responded to this, first considering I have ISO'd you a few times to figure you out a bit more, and 2 I have no idea where it is, just point out the post? Makes things easier on everyone. Also, that was your defense is a little more solid.ShowBannedformonotony!
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so you're talking about this in response to post 129
then I responded with postFriend wrote:LOL
Quote-by-quote:
1. RVS comment
2. He was the only one posting in-thread at the time
3. He volunteered to claim first
4. ??? That's not buddying
5. Agreeing with people...whoa
6. See above
7. vollkan was, in my mind, acting very pro-town. That's the only one that I guess could be buddying, but even that is not a scumtell.
No AtE (show it to me) and no buddying. Get your facts straight.
also, on 1 I said it was in RVS in the first place, and that it didn't seem like buddying until 2 and 3Xite91 wrote:Uhm, I just showed you how it's AtE
considering that you're agreeing with everyone and all
1) yeah, but with the next two, you should see my point
2) Seraphim and I did too
3) I don't recall, but that makes some sense
you were throwing his name out a lot though, makes me suspicious
4) said that, then said that it could lead up to it
5) AtE (agreeing with people like you have been seems like it to me)
6) ^
7) How isn't it?
pretty sure I have my facts straight
4 I said it wasn't buddying but that it looked like a first attempt to
5 was AtE because people tend to like you more when you agree with everything they say
7 did you ever answer this?
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Again, I did dispute this and you ignored it, twice.Friend wrote:If you say telling not to quicklynch is a nulltell, then why do you think my motivation is scum-based? I got back on the wagon because I felt enough time had passed and you were acting just as scummy. My thoughts on xite were also somewhat swayed by VV.
What, specifically, about the buddying argument do you like?Do you realize that I've shown how all of xite's examples were extremely poor?
Then you didn't show anything, you just said they were multiple times. Just sayin.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Max, Nico, and Vollkan stick out to me
Also, leaning a bit with vv too
but these are mostly-gut reads (as in they are all based off of gut and very little case to them, not I have gut reads on 3 and a case on 1)ShowBannedformonotony!
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It's not that I can't make a case on them, there's just not enough to do so
you asked me who I think, not who based on a case.
I am thoroughly convinced that you are scum, partially because it was interesting that you asked me who was scum specifically to say, ohai make a case on them then (AKA averting attention)ShowBannedformonotony!
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No, I'm not tunneling because I am looking at other people, you're just top on my priority list.
And i like this next post where you're attempting something that seems like a straw-man like omgus... it's interestingShowBannedformonotony!
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You're already scummy to me, but it was interesting that if you were to really attack me, it would probably be seen as OMGUS, so you ask andrius to do it for you, which i think is a form of strawman.
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Oh, sando, if you'll read games I'm in you can see that I always post walls for cases, because I feel it's considerate to show what your case is on and then make the case. It wasn't panicked or desperate at all. I simply scum hunting and Friend is my best choice as to who's scum.
Honestly, I didn't feel I was getting a lot of pressure from the quick day end thing because I was just planning things out in my head and things made sense to me, but yes day is more important now that I've thought about it in every scenario.ShowBannedformonotony!
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@Vollkan, in context, probably, but considering I have no remembrance of what a litmus test is I'm not saying yes for sure *researching*ShowBannedformonotony!
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@Sando, yeah I agreed with him on something that is mafia theory, not this game specifically, why is that important?
@Max, yeah I'm in quite a few games, but considering I have no life right now because medicine/possible surgery and house Wife-type-role gives me a lot of time not to have to do real work (kinda) so I get like 16 hours on this site a day as long as I'm not going out, which is rare lately. I give as much focus as possible to each game, and I actually post in order of the "oldest" last post. That's irrelevant to my play style in this situation.
But the point is, I was called out on a small point at the same time I was noticing a scummy player, add these together, sudden mass amounts of posts.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Thing is I'm pretty sure you're not tunneling when you have other suspects and are working on a case for them, but can't get it quite right and therefore don't want to cause even more mass hysteria when people are finally putting a little bet of suspicion on you, the person that I would prefer to be lynched today.ShowBannedformonotony!
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Okay so let me make this clearerXite91 wrote:Thing is I'm pretty sure you're not tunneling when you have other suspects and are working on a case for them,but can't get it quite right and therefore.don't want to cause even more mass hysteriawhen people are finally putting a little bet of suspicion on you,the person that I would prefer to be lynched today
1) I make case on you
2) hysteria is caused by not only this case but two others
3) During this whole thing I get more tells
4) I decide not to go into it because at the moment it's pointless, and the cases aren't enough to push anything.
5) you ask me who I also think is scum
6) I answer
7) you try to convince me to go after them as your case gets picked up by others
8) I keep on you
9) you accuse me of tunneling, which I may be doing a bit of, but I do have other suspects, I just don't suspect them as much as i do you
When I have enough of a case on them that I feel comfortable calling them scum with (aka about 70-80% certain they're scum), I will push after them.
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I never claimed that I didn't vote him for self-voting, I just decided there were more important things to take care of.
Sorry guys, I'm having a lot of dificulty keeping up with this game, I hate doing this but;
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I lol'd a little. Haven't been keeping up with the game, TBH. I'm working on a read-thru, will post when I've finished it though. Until then, carry on good people!Andrius wrote:Hi Xite. Long time no see.
Do you still find Friend's slot scummy? I do. If you help me lynch him I'll neighborize you. <3ShowBannedformonotony!
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okay, I haven't even gotten halfway thru the game yet, but here's what I got so far.
First, to those of you who neighborized my slot, I apologize on it's behalf for not saying ANYTHING, but hey, you guys could have started the convo too, ya kno.
Tasky is scum because sando flipped town
Friend's slot still seems a bit scummy to me, but not as bad as Andrius' last post to me, considering how Ray came after him with good points.
VV based on an early read, you seem scummy to me.
From what I saw of volkan, he is also kind of scummy. He needs to start posting his ideas and standpoints on players, and of course actual cases, instead of, oh that's not scummy.
I also have a bad vibe from max.
Still reading through, so if some of these people have been replaced, please inform me. For now,
Unvote, Vote Tasky's slot(in case it's not him anymore)ShowBannedformonotony!
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Nope, I usually have more scum reads then town, but right now, those are the scumnies in my opinion and everyone else seems town right now.
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ISOing each person that I'm interested in, and then if I have time, everyone else.
@Parama
Your first post that's not "Hold on, I"m V/LA" seems like genuine scum hunting
"You are your predecessor's role" - I'll keep that in mind.
Parama, I'm of the mindset that you're just really good scum in this game, you're manipulative, you make good cases, and you get townies lynched. Also, I just find it odd that you went for sando, the same person your predecessor was going after. (it's just a strange coincidence, especially after you've said your feelings about tasky.) The fact that he flipped town just makes you more likely to be scum.
Also, I like how you lined up the next lynch with the whole Andrius idea.
Post 59 - You used a bit of meta for yourself, saying that you played the same either way, what do you say about that?
Okay, now that I've read your posts
confirm vote: Parama
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@Andrius
Your welcome post rubbed me the wrong way. This is my reason for ISOing you.
Interesting slip...Andrius wrote:Still waiting on 1/4 of the town.
This is like one of two games I'm alive in, so I am posting a bit much. lol
Hmmm.
Didn't see much from him in his first ISO page. Just the slip and supporting a massclaim.
His list of people that hadn't posted.Andrius wrote:Max
TheLonging
Sando
NicolBolas
NicolBolas posted after this.
Willing to bet that Max and TheLonging (or their slots) will flip town if Andrius flips scum
I mean, hey Sando did.
I would like to clear up that I am not new to this game, just this site.
He seems to be just asking everyone questions that should be asked, but not really pushing for any lynches. A form of fence-sitting.
Haha, bad math skills? In a school-based setting? That's sad.
If Andrius flips scum, I'm willing to bet that Friend was scum based off of gut.
Really? Even with voting you don't seem to be accusing anyone of anything, just wagon-hopping
Take your Sando vote, for instance. That is an up-and-coming wagon (two people have started the wagon, you're the third to jump on). Oddly enough, it was a wagon started by none other than the last person you were voting.
Again, townies usually don't skim over things when they've been active all game. They try to analyze EVERYTHING. Just sayin
"There's scum on almost any given wagon, so I'm right there. Err, correct there."
I'm really getting tired of the excuse "I'm lazy"
You seem to be flailing suddenly. Too much pressure?
If Andrius flips scum, RC is town. No exceptions
Your biggest case on anyone is "They haven't even read the thread" I've seen this against at least 2 people (but I think three) But you just skimmed over massposts, so doesn't that mean that you haven't read the whole thread either?
Some Parama defense based on... meta????
Okay, I got about 3 and 1/2 pages thru andruis' posts and I have this hatred for caps, so I'm going to not read the rest for now.
I'm thinking Parama/Andrius/Ray ATMShowBannedformonotony!
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First off, you're funny.
Second, I said that because of the way that Tasky pushed for a lynch on sando pretty soon after he started getting a lot of attention.
He used a handful of AtE saying, when I get lynched, go after Sando. It just seemed off to me.
Vollkan was scummy because he wasn't so much making cases, just pointing out inconsistencies in cases. It wouldn't have been scummy, but he didn't follow up on them or anything, he just seemed to be making the points to make it look like he was contributing.
Max was blending in way too much.
Those two had nothing to do with sando.
It's so adorable that you decided to ignore me. I'm willing to try to get you lynched just to see how long that lastsShowBannedformonotony!
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No, those are a scumbuddy team, not a "If this guy is town, this one is scum"Parama wrote:Xite91 wrote:I'm thinking Parama/Andrius/Ray ATM
There goes even more of your logic against me.Xite91 wrote: Also, I like how you lined up the next lynch with the whole Andrius idea.
Also, if Andrius does turn up scum you're "confirmed town" right? Isn't this what we call bussing?
Also, with an added bonus, you got a townie mislynch yesterday
Hey wait a second, I thought you were ignoring me?ShowBannedformonotony!
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And now he's clogging the thread, and gaming the mod...
Invote, Vote AndriusShowBannedformonotony!
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How should they? I think you're the one with the skewed logic here.Parama wrote: But by your logic against me, they SHOULD have something to do with Sando.
Using your role name as a reason for why you're not scum? I'm pretty sure that's gaming the modAndrius wrote:
"Gaming the mod"? What is that supposed to mean?Xite91 wrote:And now he's clogging the thread, and gaming the mod...
Invote, Vote Andrius
Not clogging the thread. I'm posting, which is more than some people care to do.
And i meant the huge posts with pictures?ShowBannedformonotony!
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AKA saying that "Why would the mod give me a role name like this as scum?"Xite91 wrote:Using your role name as a reason for why you're not scum?I'm pretty sure that's gaming the modShowBannedformonotony!
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Not exactly, that's what people use against each other, when its things about the setup, it's usually called gaming the mod.Andrius wrote:Oh.
That's called WIFOM, Xite.
Also, did you role-claim? I'm not finding itShowBannedformonotony!
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Okay, then why should I take you at your word when you say your role-name makes it so you aren't scum?Andrius wrote:I didn't roleclaim.
I'm not at L-2 or higher and I'm in no imminent danger.
It was presumed that I had softclaimed twice D1, which I didn't do.
PS. I'm not asking you to role-claim, just don't understand what you were trying to get atShowBannedformonotony!
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Unless the mod liked Hitler, then another big name could be scum.Andrius wrote:Its like this:
Let's say we're playing WWII leaders mafia.
If someone claims Hitler, he's probably scum.
Or maybe he figured he would throw in a curve ball,
Also I would make Hitler a cultist for the lulz